Thread 214241820

In your language, can you tell if someone is high/low class simply from their accent?

A Russian was telling me that Russians sound the same from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok which sounds crazy to me.

>>214241820 (OP)
We have loads of immigrants speaking swebonics so of course I can

I can't take souf fairy English accents anymore. You all sound fucking pretentious. I can't understand a word out of someone from the NORF but at least they're honest.
American accents are all the same thanks to the internet so I can't make fun of people from Texas or Georgia for sounding retarded.

>>214241820 (OP)
>Russians sound the same
Kubanoids have their own accent. It’s close to Ukrainian accent, but not as noticeable. Anyone from Voronezh to Sochi has that accent.

>>214241820 (OP)
>A Russian was telling me that Russians sound the same from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok which sounds crazy to me.

It shouldn't, that's actually pretty normal that recent colonies speak the standard language because it was people from different parts of the country being resettled into them, which naturally made them all speak the standard language version.

It didn't work with British colonies because English never had a standard version to begin with. In French colonies it already works like this and that's why in Senegal or Chad people simply speak standard French.

Tbh English is really an outlier in Europe in that it has accents but not dialects. So basically English spoken in different parts of the country differs only with pronunciation but very little with vocabulary and not at all with grammar. Generally European languages tend to have proper dialects.

>>214241820 (OP)
Yes, in my country the all the successful CEOs have an indian accent

>>214241820 (OP)
Uh
Yes
You can

>>214241820 (OP)
>A Russian was telling me that Russians sound the same from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok which sounds crazy to me.
Polish is the same except for small parts of the country like Upper Silesia or Carpathian mountains (though these people usually can switch to standard Polish if they want and speak without an accent)

>>214242167
Don't the Carpathian mountain people speak a different language entirely

>>214242032
We used to have proper dialects, it's in the past 100 years that they've faded away, I assume everyone since the advent of mass communication

The buzzy I in Stockholm used to be restricted to the upper class (in Lidingö and Östermalm and stuff - one name for it is the "Lidingö-i"), but then it spread to other groups, perhaps because people are wankers and wanted to sound upper class.

If you listen to Stockholmers in the 80s and earlier, it's much less common.

>>214241820 (OP)
Yes.

Some people still have a peasant accent but it's getting rare these days.
Banlieue accent is pretty new and is a good indicator of low class origin.
There is also a "bourgeois" accent but it tends to disappear because it has gotten enough attention now that young people in those milieu don't reproduce it.

Other than that not really. French has been stripped of all its regional accents over the course of the past century. People say it's the "parisian accent" that have become standardized but it's not true. Paris used to have a lot of different accents much like London did, and they have all but disappeared.
Nobody speaks like that anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPtXEaXQO0

>>214241820 (OP)
Mexican here, yeah, typically higher class have more neutral accent.

the middle class and up sound the same from sea to shining sea. lower classes of rural wypipo and urban blacks on the other hand have an assortment of sometimes bizarre accents

>>214242205
depends who you mean, Polish Górals speak a Polish dialect, Lemkos speak a Ukrainian dialect.

>>214242460
All blacks sound the same
They ALL mispronounce "ask"
I don't get how it's possible but they all do it

>>214241820 (OP)
Yes you can tell if someone is rich or poor by their accent here. Rich people and poor people live completely seperated from each other in their own social bubbles and formed different accents because of that

>>214241910
Brutish ape.

>>214242722
What class are the drunken, singing, school-aged boys on boats in the canals with untucked button-ups? They would be singing along to American music at 8 in the fucking morning.

>>214242032
>>214242225
but why hasn't this happened Europe-wide?
It's not like they're in the 19th century communicating via telegram.
People in the American south sound like people in the American north these days.
Accents persist in the UK but grammar is identical. Even 95% of "Scots" which claims to be a language.

>>214242257
I've heard that the "RP" accent of English (that the King speaks) was actually artificially concocted in the 18th and 19th centuries, and it just percolated down to everyone else throughout the 20th century.
So our accent is actually quite fake.

Modern American accents are closer to how Brits sounded in the 1700s than modern British accents.
Quite crazy.

>>214242289
very interesting

>>214241820 (OP)
>A Russian was telling me that Russians sound the same from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok
He lied to you, lol.
It's like saying Londoners and Geordies sound the same.

>>214242666
Black people basically just speak with a southern accent, which they kept after they left the plantations

>>214243183
>a disingenuous russian
I am shocked.
SHOCKED.

So can you tell that they're from Vladivostok/Far East immediately or does the fact that they're "recent" colonists mean their accents are very similar to European Russia as >>214241950 said?

>>214243325
a gross oversimplification only a european who thinks he’s smarter than he actually is could make

>>214243325
there's actually an overlap between black american english and cornish/west country english because that's where a lot of southern slave masters were from

Kind of interesting how a Cornishman and a Black American could have some vernacular in common even today, words that would be alien to white americans and non-Cornish brits.

>>214242289
>Banlieue accent is pretty new and is a good indicator of low class origin.
What does it sound like to an average/middle class French accent? Does it have any influence from blacks and Nafris moving in?

>>214241820 (OP)
>Kids losing local accents and vocab
>Kids imitating "cool" immigrant speak
RIP culture, glad I got to experience it briefly

>>214243673
leaf niggas don't even say aboot anymore

>>214243351
>So can you tell that they're from Vladivostok/Far East immediately or does the fact that they're "recent" colonists mean their accents are very similar to European Russia as >>214241950 said?
It's always more difficult with recently "colonized" areas like the Far East and new Siberian cities (like Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk), because the population there is often mixed and usually has a Central Russian-like pronunciation, although you still can recognize them by some specific words, that other Russians don't usually use, if you listen to them for 10+ minutes. But it's pretty easy to distinguish South Russian (quite similar to Ukrainian and Belarusian, soft Г, lots of specific words, very "musical" rhythm of speech) from Central Russian (normal Moscow pronunciation, unstressed O sounds like A, unstressed E sounds like И, Г is always hard, etc) from Northern Russian (unstressed O never merges with A, unstressed E rarely merges with I, etc). And it's strange to me when people say they can't tell Muscovites from Petersburgers unless they use local words, because for me it's quite easy to identify native Petersburgers, they sound a bit more "noble", I think they speak a bit slower than us, the Muscovites, and a bit more clearly, their speech is less smooth, each word sounds more distinct, although both Moscow and Petersburg belong to Central Russian dialects.

>>214241867
>Swebonics

>>214241820 (OP)
Mate you can tell what class someone is here just by looking at them

The more sun we get, the thicker our accents get and more punctuation gets replaced with fuckin

>>214243934
it's the smell that does it for me

>>214243997
fags, weed, and too much cologne?

>>214242999
>but why hasn't this happened Europe-wide?
it has just slower in countries with federal structure (like Germany or Italy), but nowadays dialects disappear even there. In Germany barely anyone speaks Platt anymore (which was a full fledged dialect with a very distinct vocabulary and even different grammatical rules), everything turns into regular Hochdeutsch just with slightly different accents (and these keep disappearing too)

>>214243874
can you tell if someone is Tuvan/Chechen/Yakutian/Kalmyk from their Russian pronunciation alone (without looking at them)?

In the UK I can tell if someone is black or paki if I'm speaking to them on the phone.
The wealthier/classier they are, the more white they sound though.

>>214243794
They definitely do

>>214244060
Caucasians have a notorious accent that is made fun of all the time lol.
https://youtu.be/Y6zPX9qEEsU

>>214244022
the chav girls usually have some dirt cheap perfume which smells worse than BO

>>214243390
Do the Cornish mispronounce "ask" for no god damn reason?

>>214241820 (OP)
Kinda?
Lower class mexicans have a distinctive "naco" accent and speak in broken spanish, upper class mexicans have a snooby accent with english words mixed in.

>>214244124
>snooby

>>214243794
If you only knew how hard Quebecois French has lost its flavours. Also I learned "aboat" from Anglos. Never heard Ab00t but Fats will swear everyone says it.
>>214244064
ok where?

>>214244121
they usally say ARSK not AXE

>>214241820 (OP)
rich people sound happy and naive and their younger kids act really gay. and every time they have a conversation in public that other people can hear, it's always about how insanely successful one of their kids is.

>>214241820 (OP)
Not from an accent, but from overall way of speaking. Politeness, cussing and that stuff.

>>214244060
>can you tell if someone is Tuvan/Chechen/Yakutian/Kalmyk from their Russian pronunciation alone
Most of the times yes, they all have distinct accents, similar to their first language's phonetics, especially Chechens, although don't know whether I could instantly tell Tuvans from Yakuts and vice versa, haven't had much experience talking to them.

>>214244487
Windsor

>>214242032
Polish and Russian do not

>>214245041
exceptions from the rule and it's more like they have a different attitude to accents/dialects (they are shunned, looked down on, seen as incorrect pronunciation so people feel pressured to speak the standardized version of the language) rather than that they don't exist at all

>>214244534
Arsk is a helluva closer than a completely wrong word

>>214245103
England being so classist is unironically the reason we killed off all dialects FAST.

Quick adoption of printing press > first country to standardise their language > first country to have the industrial revolution + urbanisation > classist against the riff raff = death of dialects

I guess the rest of Europe is just doing the same thing 200 years delayed.
Germany and Italy didn't even exist until the 1870s, no surprise their dialects are still so strong.
Spain is so regionalist I don't think Castellan will ever be fully embraced.