Thread 214268698

the answer is french, you should pick french

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previous thread: >>214171920

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

Yes, everybody should learn French.

>>214268261
>>214268440
The reason is not because we don't know how they're spelled, but because we type phonetically. We hear a word like "there" in our head and if we don't monitor our output with the thought of "which one?" then the wrong one can come out.

>>214268698 (OP)
is this the stereotypical parisian?

worked out at the library today

Pyccкий OR Deutsch ?

Both are challenging. But what’s the ACTUAL better one ?
All other languages I can’t seem to have a relationship with them. Except Hungarian or Czech but those are useless.

>>214270175
Yes, they love Mohammad's cock

>>214268698 (OP)
Please use the updated version :
Mon ami, J'ADORE le savoir-vivre des parisiens, c'est MAGNIFIQUE, on se croirait dans un FILM de LUC BESSON ! Viens dans mon appartement Haussmannien (1670€ par mois dans le VIème), il a un BALCON FILANT de 4 mètres carrés ! On pourra boire un verre de Crémant de Loire ou trois, puis lire quelques bandes dessinées comme Astérix ou Lucky Luke ! Et mon ami, mon ami, MON AMI, on DOIT aller à l'anticafé – écoute moi bien, c'est un CAFÉ où nous, les adultes, pouvons manger du FROMAGE ! Du COMTÉ ! Du CAMEMBERT ! En plus de boire des cafés responsables sourcés directement du producteur par Thomas, l'owner ! MAIS ATTENTION !!! Écoute, ok, c'est aussi un ESPACE DE COWORKING, où on peut travailler sans enfants qui viennent nous casser les couilles ! À propos d'enfants, Louise et moi avons décidé que Mahmoud allait enceinter Louise. Je suis ravi de pouvoir cuisiner des bons petits plats pour ces deux tourtereaux. Au revoir mon ami, je viens de repérer une nouvelle boulangerie artisanale, juste à côté du vigneron indépendant !

>>214269273
I think it's because people don't read much anymore. I doubt anyone who graduated from middle school in Britain or the USA in 1925 would write it like that.

When Americans see a new word how tf they know how it is pronounced? I think I'll never be able to read English poetry without getting the rhythm/metric all wrong
Outside of French which language is worthy in terms of literature?

French is like that one baddie. You know you won't have a future with her, but you also have a soft spot for her

i heard somewhere the non english speaking countries that translate the most into english is japan and korea is that true? i thought it would be spanish or german
probably depends on the medium

>>214271599
Italian is like that one normie girl ypu really like but who's too good for you
German is like that weird, spoiled friend who visit his grandma in your home town for every holidays and you play football together even though you don't have much in common
Dutch is like his also weird, but in the cooler way cousin whose parents give him a lot of freedom and waers sunglasses and a baseball cap and a T-shirt with flames on it
Japanese is like that one girl from different class or school you simp to and she barely know you exist
Scandinavian languages are like your neighbor's nieces who are a little older than you and you show off in front of them because they are neither unpleasant nor attached to you

>>214271343
Not at all, and there's a psychological difference between typing and writing. Typing presents less of a barrier between thought and output than writing. I am well aware of the difference between "your" and "you're" or "to," "two," and "too," (pretty much any literate native speaker would) but I can easily type the wrong word because I'm not constantly thinking about the spelling of words when I talk in my head. I would have to add an extra layer of attention to prevent that kind of mistake, or I just have to review what I typed after the fact.

>>214271180
Fixed

>>214271459
we unironically don't know

>>214271726
Merci mon ami

>>214271645
I get it, so they're just sloppy. I almost always read through my responses or comments to spot typos or errors.

>>214271343
I think you're conflating two different issues. Reading poetry in terms of the cadence, rhythm, and intonation is one thing. The basic pronunciation of words is another. Even native English speakers will be often unsure how to pronounce new words they come across in print. Maybe the pronunciation can be determined by analogy to other known words, but sometimes analogies can be misleading. And there is also the phenomenon of words having widespread "incorrect" or "uneducated" pronunciations in the spoken language (for example, pronouncing "impious" as im-PIE-us instead of IM-pee-us), so there is really no secure way to learn the pronunciation of new English words.

>>214271459
This is why you have the phenomenon (specially in america) of having various pronunciations, especially of new words like mim and maymay (meme) and gif and jif (gif). I think i've detected some other inconsistencies like people pronounce renaissance as either reina-sawns or rené-sans

>>214270918
I know both to a degree... both belong to declining empires, one is more familiar to you culturally and semantically (assuming you're not Indian), other is harder but you will be treated better for attempts at using it. I'd guess Russian is strictly harder because you'll be rammed by grammatical cases about twice as hard.
>>214271726
One question my friend. Did Attic Life interview you yet or have you eluded him successfully?

Currently reading: 雨の日も、晴れ男
Just read the prologue for now and it looks easy. What are you reading?

>>214271634
At this point, you're just making shit up.
>Japanese is like that one girl from different class or school you simp to and she barely know you exist
Japanese is like that girl from a different class or school you simp for, but who barely knows you exist.*

>>214271852
If I'm typing a response on a forum like this, I typically (but not always) give enough attention to avoid that sort of mistake, but in a chatroom setting, I make those errors all the time.

Do spain and latam have any cool cartoons? I dont feel like just watching translated anime

>>214271935
>Did Attic Life interview you yet or have you eluded him successfully?

I'm a different Serb, not the guy you talked to last thread.

i made that frenchjak years ago

>>214272185
e jebiga onda izvini
>>214271962
this thread
I haven't read a book in years

>>214271459
We don't know for sure, but with enough exposure we can make a pretty good guess. In the rare case where I really have no idea I'll google it the word see the IPA and listen to its pronunciation.

>>214272054
hey that's my ancient script
>i'm sorry to everyone whose dads don't understand...
i'm missing letters here

>>214271459
I've heard a few people say that you can tell when a person learned a word by reading or by having heard it in conversation (implying that the person who learned it by reading is mispronouncing it).

>>214271459
>When Americans see a new word how tf they know how it is pronounced?
>When Americans
So this happens only to Americans?
>see a new word
Define new word, because I'm pretty sure you mean a word they don't know.
>how tf they know how it is pronounced?
If you're seriously asking yourself this I believe reading poetry is the least of your concerns. It seems to me you lack pattern recognition.
I very much doubt you can appreciate any language's literature if you can barely grasp the most basic linguistic knowledge.
>>214271618
>i thought it would be spanish or german
Spanish relies heavily on Latin and Ancient Greek borrowings, we could probably replace any English borrowing with one from either of those languages.
German, as far as I know since I don't speak the language, can mash words together to create a new one, so it's not like they need to borrow from English.
>>214272054
Most of them will be pretty childish, if you're looking for anything aimed at adults, you're out of luck.
I remember liking the following when I was a kid:
>Cálico Electrónico
>D'Artacán y los tres mosqueperros (Japanese-Spanish coproduction)
>Don Quijote de la Mancha (1979)
>Las tres mellizas and La bruja aburrida (original dub is Catalan, but it was also dubbed in Spanish)
>Marcelino, pan y vino (Japanese-Spanish-French-Italian-Mexican coproduction)
>Mortadelo y Filemón (I can't remember anything about the show, but the comic is legendary)

There's also the Chilean show 31 minutos, not animated, it's a puppet show, but I remember it being quite funny.

>>214271599
this is so true wth. i want to learn it because it's beautiful but what the fuck would i actually do with knowing french? i know zero french speakers. but it's so beautiful and romantic..

>>214272492
That's entirely correct, fortunately today you have resources (eg. russiangram.com) so you can even appear like you've had human contact before having learned a language

I am trying to push through with German. I've been watching these documentaries on youtube with subtitles (in German) on. sometimes they are really beyond my level but I think it helps even to match up the spoken language with the words, even when I don't have full comprehension. this morning I watched Leben in der Platte about people who live in the east German Plattenbau apartment buildings. I also mix in some Easy German videos, as I aspire to be like Janusz.

>>214268698 (OP)
i was tempted to do danish
but the written and spoken are like 2 different languages

was tempted to do germanic laguages but i'm not tempted to read anything in german

now i'm stuck between

A. making myself a romance specialist with spanish,italian (maybe french cause i was almost C2 level 5yrs ago) including my native romanian

B. learning polish. which i love. polish sound magistral to me for some reason.

pick A or B for me lads

>>214272597
>I aspire to be like Janusz
The only way to get to his level is to move to Germany. Or Austria or the right part of Switzerland.
>>214272709
What is with you Romanians and your love of French?
I say A. I do the same with slavic languages.

>>214272916
I mean like Janusz physically and in his mannerisms. he is like a human Paddington.

>>214272916
>What is with you Romanians and your love of French?
i dont love it desu
thats the reason i dont practice it
but i did it in school for 8 years then in college also cause i was already fully fluent in english and french was the only other option
and it was B2 wrote C by mistake.

>I do the same with slavic languages.
about this
i have a beef with russian
"our language is phonetic" while they write O and pronounce A

>>214272499
Bri'ish pronounce everything wrong so I asked to the only native speakers that matter
>Define new word
I see that you you miss the pragmatics senor autism
>pattern
>english orthography

>>214273286
Russian phonetics is batshit insane, yes, but anything slavic west of blyatland can actually be normally pronounced, from Ukrainian to Slovenian
It's not a big deal as you learn to do this O->A thing automatically if you know how the word is accentuated
From what I understand you balkanbros also fell a bit under the slav influence, da? :)

need to do my daily 'lingo soon

>>214273383
>Bri'ish pronounce everything wrong so I asked to the only native speakers that matter
Yeah, it's totally because of that.
>>pattern
>>english orthography
Yes, there are patterns you can follow. The fact you did not share any of the words you have trouble pronouncing is quite telling.

>>214271459
phonics. not an end all be all solution but when phonics are taught to kid at an early age it gives them the building block skills needed to figure out letters put together sound, and next time they see a new word they'll be better prepared (or are able to) sound out how it should be pronounced.

>language heavily uses noun + verb combinations to coin new verbs
based or cringe?

>>214274086
Based only because the alternative is
>language borrows from another language, basically destroying itself in the process

>>214274086
Cringe but very common
Verbs are usually quite resistant to change and loans

>>214271459
They use the Optimal English Pronunciation Model, so it goes:
0. we take American English as the basis, keeping its main features such as pre-nasal /æ/ raising and marry-merry-Mary merger etc.
1. the COT and CAUGHT vowels are merged to the rounded [ɔ].
2. the STRUT vowel is fronted and lowered to [ɐ] or even [ä] (they're really the same sound).
3. the TRAP vowel stays as [æ] and the OUT is brought closer to it as [æw].
4. no PRICE raising, both prise and price have [äj].
5. the GOOSE vowel is fronted to [yw], while the GOAT vowel stays back as [ow] or [ɔw].
It sounds pretty neutral and natural and is easy to maintain. Basically the two problems I struggled to resolve all along are solved:
1) there's no need to artificially elevate the STRUT vowel into a weird strange-sounding [œ]-like schwa sound to avoid its merger with the COT vowel,
2) and there's no need to either use the merged unrounded [ä] in pre-dark L environments (like in ALL) which sounds extremely weird as well nor to maintain the inconsistent distinction between the merged unrounded COT-CAUGHT vowel and the rounded ALL vowel.

>>214274255
>Verbs are usually quite resistant to change and loans
Nothing changed in my native word for "throw", it only got superseded by "yeet"...

कहाँ स्वीडश है?

कहाँ यूनानी वक्ता स्वीडश है।

Ok. It's French again, German or some germanic alternative, Japanese
>>214271599
>>214271634
And Spanish is like clothes old enough to be out of fashion, but not old enough to be fashionable again
>>214271989
Thx for correcting me. It actually looks better. About the languages, I like all of them. :(
>>214272587
God, there are these little pieces of French-related stuff here and there amidst the sea of shit, but these little things are usually so tempting
>>214272709
A. There's no reason to learn Polish

youtube now recommends me French booktuber videos. and the auto-generated subtitles seem to work pretty well. truly golden age of learning a language without actually talking to anyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLVCMP7jWc8

>>214268698 (OP)
>What language(s) are you learning?
Korean, mandarin.
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It just began. I think I can get the script down. It's like a puzzle.
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None to ask at this time.

Redpill me on the Spanish y/ll pronunciation. I know that some speakers use an (English approximate) "j" sound and some use an (English approximate) "y" sound, but I've noticed at least some Mexican speakers seem to employ both, even for the same word in different places. For example, a Mexican speaker that I thought I heard pronouncing "yo" as (English) "jo" all of a sudden says "yo" as (English) "yo" in "yo tengo hambre." I understand the idea of using one or the other, but what would influence the same Mexican to switch between the two pronunciations? Would someone who usually says "jo" say "yo" when they're speaking more carefully?

>>214276611
Chads pronounce it like 'sh'.

>>214275723
Do you learn franco-french or quebeco-french?
Recently in Paris I heard a Quebecker say "potes" for "pâtes" it was cute.

>>214271180
No part of the humour is that it's badly written french

>>214274086
not as cringe as using nouns for verbs directly. bonus points if there is a verb for it already but people still use a noun come verb instead

o gahd

>>214272054
what does this mean?

>>214277186
NTA but in Canada our classes, in English schools, are in Parisian French. I mean it makes sense, nobody goes to "Scottish English" class. Just learn the "English". Though Spanish language learning does seem to differentiate from Spain and LATAM. Odd...

>>214277186
I'll probably just learn France French since that's most of the content. actually from what I remember we were taught this Standard French in school, I'm not sure about trying to learn the Quebec dialect without living there

>>214275609
>A. There's no reason to learn Polish

how so? i consume plenty of polish media

>>214276611
>Redpill me on the Spanish y/ll pronunciation.
Read up on yeísmo, almost no one today distinguishes between 'y' and 'll'.

>>214277800
How so? I mean, we have some cool niche stuff, but I'm surprised

How do you guys format your anki cards?

>>214277850
Thanks for the redpill on that, but I'm not asking about a distinction between y and ll. I'm asking about a distinction between the same letter in the same word by the same speaker. For example, Andrea from Dreaming Spanish is in Mexico. I thought she ordinarily pronounces "yo" as "jo" but yesterday I was paying more attention to that and noticed she also said "yo" (with the English y sound). So I'm puzzled why the same speaker would say yo as both yo and jo, or llama as both yama and jama.

>>214278495
Here's another example (I'm watching her now). She was making noise like she was being woken up and looking around in surprise (equivalent to English "Huh? What?") as (English phonetics) "ya? ja?"

>>214278495
I'm not familiar with the people from that channel, but I've found that many Spanish speakers from the Americas have similar problems. Could be influence from English or hypercorrection.

>>214278495
it's basically the same for adjectives, having the number of sentences be the number of principal parts or the adjective form (3 or 2). you can definitely add pictures and audio if it'll help. nouns just have their declensions shown and an example sentence; same with other pieces of grammar.

i meant to (you) >>214278164
sorry

Hebrew. I want to watch Prince of Egypt in all official languages it was translated and hebrew's the last one.

>>214268698 (OP)
i suddenly have a strong urge to learn french

>>214274086
It feels cringe when learning those verbs, but that natives see the combined terms as their own unique concept with their own gestalt, separate from the core components. Like if I say "to babysit" you innately understand the action as a native speaker. You don't break it down into it's parts and figure out the meaning. You don't think of "babysit" as two words combined into one. It's just it's own concept.
This is a huge hurdle for language learners. You often never truly internalize terms like these because you can't help but see the parts rather than the whole.

>>214278164
I mine anime so I have japanese sentence on the front and highlighted word + audio + translation on the back.

when does this start to get unbearable
>10 new cards per day

>>214280903
it never is people just whine about anki, I did as many as 50 new cards a day at one point it was boring but tolerable

>>214268698 (OP)
>TFW i wanted to start learning german but then i realised i have already read some grammar years ago so now my brain is premanently injured...
its over.... dream spanish without me bros

>>214275723
German, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Russian, Polish, and even Greek seem to have booktube communities too. Russian being surprisingly large.
however I see very little in Swedish.

i have no idea what duolingo did to my courses
didnt update the greek and french one

when i did this now apparently

I'm in unit 9 in french although i was near the end like over 1 year or so ago
and i'm in unit 7 lol in greek even tho i cant even remember when i did it, i know I barely did shit there.
weird estimate system they got