Thread 214498532

NEVER bet against Japan
they are the highest IQ people in the world
They have a massive amount of wealth
THEY ARE BACK IN THE RACE

Within a decade the most advanced semiconductor fabs in the world will ALL be in Japan

>>214498532 (OP)

New immigration innitiatives will help in making Japan great again

>>214498604
they will yes
I personally would like to go to Japan and I might do it soon

>>214498532 (OP)
>the most advanced semiconductor fabs in the world will ALL be in Japan
They literally had to pay IBM for their 2nm process AND that still wasn't enough that they had to STEAL from TSMC.

And they STILL don't have a production fab. lol

>>214498532 (OP)
>NEVER bet against Jap-...ACK

>>214498710
>crying about IP law
the classic behavior of a loser

>>214498746
this you, OP?
>>214496909

>>214498710
Idiotic guk about to cry getting giga-mogged by TSMC. Samshit lost the logic chip war to TSMC, China is now replacing DRAM with domestic ones, Samshit is finished, they won't even last until 2030. lol

>>214499857
Why do you have to use other countries to win battles against korea? Is it because Japan has no semiconductor industry anymore?

>>214499870
What, Japan still makes bigger than Korea in semi, because all Samsung does is bleeding money in already-doomed projects. lol

>>214499896
why did Japan stop investing in cutting edge semicon research in the 2000s?

I don't understand why you guys would give up such a massive advantage. it's so weird

Samsung, Japan and TSMC are all finished the moment China gets EUV lol

>>214499857
LK99 should've bankrupted all the science publications that went wild spouting complete bullshit about it before it was even replicated once

>>214499923
They simply couldn’t keep up with the competition. Sometimes you can invest billions into a project and still fail

>>214499923
You never heard Sony/IBM's cell project? Fuckery happened there, and soon followed by black monday, Japan had to step back during that period.

btw Japan chose Taiwan as a strategic partner. Like 60% of the TSMC suppliers are still Japanese makers, and they make good amount. Good business will come from trustful relationship between Japan and Taiwan.

>>214499896
Japan's ENTIRE semiconductor industry only made ~45 billion last year. Thats less than just SK hynix. lol

>>214500119
This is why Japan has consistently been shrinking year over year on semiconductor equipment.

>>214500121
>>214500142
Source: trustme bro
lol, I bet Samsung is even losing money more than that. lol

>>214500151
>Source, the actual industry
cope and seethe, yasu. japan is DEAD.

>>214500142
You low IQ even realize this revenue is exactly what equipment companies like TEL and AM earned in those countries?

>>214498532 (OP)
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING I consume is Japanese. I drive their car. I use(d) their phone. I watch their media. I listen to their music. I watch their livestreams. I eat their food. I buy clothes from them. I work with their companies. Nothing can make me hate that cuntry

>>214500175
IT is such a garbage term for describing the tech industry. Usually it ranges from the guy writing fault tolerant software designed to run for decades on a space probe to some glup shitto making sure microsoft excel runs properly (it never does)

>>214500187
same
do you like ASICS? I love their shoes so much

>>214500181
you low iq monkey knows your sales are declining as countries make their own equipment since COVID?

Even your materials market is shrinking. LOL

>>214500199
Oh yeah they are my tennis shoes and I have never bought anything else

Who gives a fuck about revenue this and that when the only thing that matters to us commoners is cost of living and medium wage. Everything else only benefits the 1%.

How much of a retard you have to be toi think fucking China of all made $50 billion in semi equipment. This retard absolutely know nothing, all spouting bullshit, it's unreal. lol

>>214500208
I wish I could continue to get sony phones but they pulled out of the US market and honestly they just kinda suck, they are so much more expensive with so much worse specs it just doesn't make any sense

>>214500201
Now tell me, what Chinese companies made $50B. They beat companies like TEL, AM, ASML only one night?

>>214499857
>Samsung is dead!!!!
lol

>>214500261
Answer my question. Name one Chinese semi company that made $50B. I hope you won't run away like a coward. lol

>>214500281
huawei

>>214500281
Are you fucking stupid? You think that is a single company? Do you know what the term 'REGION' means you uneducated fool?

>>214500247
I bought Xperia 5V when it came out. It was working like dream until last month until I cracked its screen pretty bad. I imported a phone with Chinese Rom now because the new Xperias suck, which is a shame

>>214498532 (OP)
If you are too high IQ to breed, it becomes detrimental.

>>214500304
Huawei won't even produce equipment nor material, chemical, but I get it you know nothing, spouting all bullshit, Mr. Know-it-all.

>>214498532 (OP)
this is literally only happening because the United States is moving all their semi conductor factories to Japan since they no longer trust Taiwan

>>214500352
>because the United States is moving all their semi conductor factories to Japan
what?
no we aren't

we are moving TSMC factories to Arizona lmao
and the Arizona plant is failing

TSMC is investing into Japan on their own accord, it's not something that the USA wants to happen at all. The USA wants semicon manufacturing to happen domestically.

This retard posting revenue stats (exactly the amount that TEL, AM, ASML earned in those countries), keep pretending that Korea achieved anything like that. Now you see why LK99 happened in this country. lol

>>214499857
fake jap. go back to ohio pvt. ramirez

>>214500386
This LK-99 thing concreted the general image of Korea for rigging and lying. But it's a good thing that this incident put them in their place to realize (and open coin-slot eyes) that they are nothing but a backward country with 0 Nobel Prize inventions. kek

where is google manufacturing their tensor chip?

is it just like Apple's chip where it's Google """designed"""" but 99% just off the shelf tsmc?

>>214500369
anon Japan is an american colony with literal (((white))) politicians and (((hapas))) in their government, the only reason the USA may not see Japan as an optimal place to start their semiconductor production is because in WW2 Japan was in the exact same circumstance regarding the USA and that didn't stop them from creating a hidden military force, but the modern Japanese is completely buck broken by the poisonous chemicals put in everything over there

>>214500418
Google makes you sign a non-compete if you want to buy one of their tensor chips, bars you from entering self driving, and probably LLMs too. Other than that I'm pretty sure they're garbage anyway

>>214498532 (OP)
i doubt it. rarely i ever see a jap author in a research paper

>>214500330
Huawei has a sub company that is making lots of semiconductor equipment. Huawei itself is in charge of EUV development

>>214500369
how is it failing?

>>214500439
you aren't entirely wrong but it's kind of like the USA's relationship with Israel

does Israel have control over a majority of US politicians? Absolutely. Especially when it comes to middle east geopolitics.

does that mean that the USA isn't filled with motivated high agency people working towards the USA's own interests? not at all, and Israel cannot control that. they are even trying to develop their own domestic semicon industry that's at odds with the US attempts.

US control over Japan is only effective when it comes to wide reaching geopolitical matters, but isn't as effective at controlling the actions of private companies and individuals

>>214500460
they are total garbage, the new pixel 10 has worse performance than Apple chips from TWO generations ago lmfao.

>>214500463
i'm not joking about being excited about Rapidus anon. I think there's a good chance that japan can spring up to be a leader in the semicon race again. something is just in the air. I can feel it

>>214500487
This one? Annual revenue is only $5 billion. lol

>>214500517
Yeah, that one. It was 2023 that China's NAURA surpassed Korea's SEMES. China had zero presence in semi until very recently.

>>214500404
>lk99, published on arXiv, a website specifically used to publish UNOFFICIAL papers seeking initial feedback/scrutiny. Paper was NEVER formally submitted.

>meanwhile, japanese 'researchers' forge outputs, manufacture lab results and then officially submit papers trying to boast to the world they pulled off a miracle. Then gets caught.

>>214500517
>>214500531
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiCarrier

And NAURA is the 6th largest semiconductor equipment manufacturer in terms of sales.

>>214500535
do you know anything about that japanese researcher who retracted a bunch of papers? I saw it on retractionwatch, wasn't bothered enough to look into it yet

>>214500404
>shameful display

>>214500517
>>214500531
You idiots need to tally up the companies in China, its by region you dumb fucks.

SMIC is the main one you're looking for.

>>214500547
>And NAURA is the 6th largest semiconductor equipment manufacturer in terms of sales.
I bet Korea's SEMS falling into oblivion instead. lol

>>214500560
They should bring back seppuku for the manegerial class.

>>214500573
SMIC is a logic chipmaker. You should't talk anything if know nothing.

>>214500597
You stupid idiot, they are making their own equipment due to sanctions you fucking ignorant fuck. No wonder you always make yourself into a utter fool on these threads.

>>214500498
The TSMC Arizona plant rollout has been such a disaster that it would be easier to list ways it hasn't failed lol. Basically the only success they've had is that they've started manufacturing of chips using the N4 process, which is an last gen process, and have started the development of current gen processes in the plant.

They are having major issues with training American workers, due to cultural problems (Taiwanese workers work harder and care more than Americans, as expected....) along with high income disparities between the Taiwanese and the Americans, where the mentors make half the salary of the trainees, it just wasn't a great environment and had a really rocky start

Aside from labor the costs have spiralled out of control. It's required a $165 BILLION investment. OVER A HUNDRED BILLION. And it's not even at a point where the chips can be made at a competitive pricepoint with the taiwanese fab. keep in mind this is last gen process making chips more suitable for mobile than for HPC or AI.

A big reason why costs exploded is the supply chain for advanced semicon manufacturing doesn't exist in the USA. There's a story from this TSMC plant where they were looking for ultrapure 100% sulfuric acid and... nobody, not a single company in the USA could supply it. That just was never necessary in the USA before that point.

After the USA government dumped billions into the plant it's now at a point where its just ramping up volume production.

>>214500575
>I bet Korea's SEMS falling into oblivion instead. lol

>>214500629
>t-two weeks from muh copy EUV to beat your EUV!
What a sad country

>>214500649
kek, at least they have a semiconductor industry unlike Japan who is stealing their way to one. lol

>>214500645
Financial reports for SEMS even available? That's the biggest equipment there for guks. If not, you can guess how dire they are. lol

>>214500662
corporate espionage would be so much cooler if it wasn't as lame as someone chatting over slack lol

>>214500554
Yeah, that stupid idiot lied like a typical japanese dog

You want to know why Samsung fucking up yield rate, and TSMC doing good? Well, it's because... lol

>>214500713
Chip-making is all about cleaning, like 50% of the process is wash wafer, wash wafer, wash wafer, and this is why the industry requires the ultra-pure quality chemicals, which is what affects yield.

These are very closed technology, and chip-makers like TSMC often sign exclusive deals with Japanese chemical suppliers which hold critical IPs, to block its rivals from accessing these chemicals.

So why Samsung is fucking up yield? They got BLOCKED. lol

>>214500713
do you only get the cool GPT in Japan?

>>214500554
There are many famous cases of Japanese researchers lying on papers to try and claim clout. This stem cell paper was one that really put in doubt any research coming from Japan for over a decade.

>>214500713
>>214499974
it's a massive mistake for Rapidus to partner with IBM again

please tell Rapidus to develop their process internally without IBM support

>>214498532 (OP)
>Within a decade the most advanced semiconductor fabs in the world will ALL be in Japan
All staffed by Indians, Pakistanis, Indonesians etc.

>>214500702
>>214500761
same thing happened in the USA many times through, literally caused the president of Stanford to resign

btw Samsung is even losing in the advanced DRAM race. They failed to supply HBM3e to Nvidia. What's worse, flagship phones are choosing Micron's mobile DRAM over Samsung's.

This shit company is finished. lol

>Samsung relies on Micron’s mobile DRAM for its Galaxy S25 series due to struggles with 1b LPDDR5, according to The Korea Herald. While Micron has been a secondary supplier for the Galaxy series for over a decade, this marks its first time as the primary supplier.

>Micron set to supply SOCAMM chips to Nvidia ahead of Samsung

>June 3, Micron announced that they become the world’s first company to deliver LPDDR5X samples built on 1γ process to customers. "We have been able to stay ahead of competitors in the shipment of cutting-edge DRAM for three straight generations, following 1α (10nm-class) and 1β."

>>214499923
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39450111
The US authorities held back Nikon and Canon because of their dominant market position back then, paving the way for ASML. Canon recently developed a new lithography technology though.

>>214500790
It happens but not as frequently as it does in Japan.

>>214500790
that guy deserved to be jailed. iirc his stuff was so influential that many drug trials were ran based on his research, costing millions

>>214500649
Does Japan have EUV?

>>214500798
Nikon's biggest customer is Intel. You laugh these low IQs only spouting bullshit when know nothing.

>>214500591
Then they would lose their entire steel industry. lol

>>214500812
JAPAN INVENTED EUV. They literally invented the technology.

it's crazy when you read the history how much japan was in the lead and how much they fucked it up

You feel average IQ lowering just by having these tech-wannabe SEA monkeys in a thread. It's the end of the business.

>>214500836
I think what is most unfortunate is how they gradually withdrew themselves from the sector during the economic stagnation and chose to revitalize the economy with tourism of all things.

>>214500792
Do you always post lies?

Do you guys like semianalysis?

>>214500941
dude is a taiwanese shill who shits on intel/samsung/globalfoundries and has incorrect information that turns out to be false.

>>214500910
Japanese low cost labor becoming too expensive o algo

>>214500836
>>214500910
They didn't invent it, the guy had a 'concept' which he could never get working because it was flawed.

A Taiwanese guy was the one who cracked the code to get it to work and it is what saved Moore's Law.

>>214500806
Is academic integrity seen differently in Japanese culture? I am fascinated to learn more about this from our Japanese friends on /int/.

>>214501020
Korea's best invention LK-99

>>214501274
LK-99 paper was never officially submitted but its the only cope you have because Japan is rife with fraud and lying.

>>214501317
>was never officially submitted
made sensational presentation on tv just for stock price manipulation lol

>>214501475
Thousands of people pre-publish on ArXiv all the time. Just because some morons stumbled upon the paper and started hyping it up doesn't mean shit other than there are still a lot of fools online, you're a prime example of that.

>>214501524
>some morons stumbled upon the paper
the entire world fell into the korean faux scheme
no wonder k-science has never made any contribution to the science world

>>214501961
whole world? lol, just idiots like you.

do you have anything other than LK-99? I have hundreds of jap researchers lying. lol

>>214502264
>other than LK-99?
>Gallup Korea poll found that one-third of women ages 19 to 29 have undergone plastic surgery in South Korea.

10million cases of faux like your identity and face lol

>>214502594
kek, Japan is the new Plastic Surgery capital of Asia.
What other bullshit are you going to switch too? lol

>>214502619
you pathetically avoid the data per capita

>>214502704
>CEO Magazine
>Old data
How about recent data from the Worlds Plastic Surgery board?

btw, you have no idea how many foreigners go to Korea for the best surgeon and technology including your women. kek

>>214502762
still avoiding data per capita? lololol
btw according to korean article

>>214502890
Still avoiding your own Plastic Surgeons?

>>214498532 (OP)
>Within a decade the most advanced semiconductor fabs in the world will ALL be in Japan

Does this mean people will finally stop caring about Taiwan?

t. Xi

>>214502594
plastic dolls

>>214502900
we have millions of korean residents and visitors

korean man in tokyo this week:
>Police identified the suspect as Park Yongjun, who was detained at Haneda Airport on Monday after killing 40-year-old South Korean woman
in Tokyo's Setagaya ward

he should have received ps asap lol

>>214503059
Yeah, lets talk about crime in Japan now. lol

>>214498532 (OP)
Nah
Taiwan will just start developing full conductors in response

konnichiwa dudes
I dig all asian chicks and my heart bleeds when I see you guys fighting.

>>214503134
what do you mean?

>>214503300
ewww..

>>214503134
>full conductors
Good one, kek