Thread 214569663

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

>>214498799

they should make prizes for the best new latin and greek literature like India does for Sanskrit.

Dabble in தமிழ், you won't.

>>5960858
Would you learn Icelandic for her?

>>>/wsg/5960858
Would you learn Icelandic for her?

>>214573275
No, she looks kind of weird.

>>214569292
were you the one talking about speaking polish to a russian taxi driver and he was understanding you? polish is very interesting and i'd love to hear more on why you chose it.

If you want to sound EFL, pronounce 'else' as 'elts'

Persian should switch to the avestan alphabet.

>>214566895
Early on I checked out a few textbooks but didn't stick with them. I read Czech step by step at least, it was alright
For beginner CI and interviews https://youtube.com/@slowczech
Street interviews with native speakers on simple topics https://youtube.com/@easyczechvideos
Grammar explained in English. After reading about the basics I like this more, she gives a lot of context textbooks didn't https://youtube.com/@czechbyzuzka
Outside of those I just listen to a bunch of native content. Anything I'd usually do I do in Czech if it's available
For practice https://www.czechonline.org/ and Duolingo (it's not bad if you learn the concepts somewhere else)
I use anki a bit but I have a hard time remembering words out of context. For learning new words I wait until I've heard them enough times in native content to recognize them, then look them up. Usually takes more than once for it to stick but it works

Does anyone here have Fluenz German ISOs?

>>214573275
Cute ice monkey, but I already have a wife.
My beautiful Valkyrie is currently on a mission to save the world.

>>214578681
BASED

morning bump

Thoughts on Assimil books ?
Many language teachers or tutors acuu to ally discourage it however I see people using them and I’m confused ??

>>214576484
Aw, ok… so you do self learn, then I guess if you can memorize more you can meet with a tutor for additional comments and tips too

>>214581615
They're based, especially if you know French because it unlocks a lot of less popular languages.

>Many language teachers or tutors [actually] discourage it

If you can teach yourself a language, then they'd be out of a job. Of course they won't actively recommend something that makes them obsolete.

Arguelles is a famous polyglot and he's a big fan of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqR3K1alUio

>>214581615
they seem fine. Alexander Arguelles is known for loving those, they just give a solid start to the language with some dialogues to study, some grammar, idiom explanations and a bit of culture explanations, and high quality audio. the audio quality seemed to be a selling point in the past, compared to other coursebooks with more scuffed audio (according to Arguelles), but doesn't stand out as much nowadays with all the audio available online

>>214581645
That just seems like a waste of money when you can learn anything about a language for free

>>214581890
I see, I don’t understand how French can help but ok.

>>214582197
It's a French company and most of their catalogue isn't available in English. Stuff like Czech, Serbian, Catalan, Sanskrit, etc.

>>214582291
Aw… probably comes from the verve “assimiler”. I found a pdf with 50 pages online for free although internet archive may have a full version.
Books are good but lack audio support, that’s why you need to be organized and do : grammar (after a certain level not beginning), cards with sound, alphabet and repeat it to familiarize with how it sounds… I’m still in my beginnings (don’t judge!)

Seriously, the Wortschatz B2 by Arwen Schnack is a fantastic book to boost your B2 in German

Wish more languages used this format for their books

Are my goals achievable ?
French native.

Romanian (A2) - based but seems hard
Italian (no idea what level yet b it unfortunately sister lives there so I am forced to learn) :(
German (A2 or B1 if I can grind it)
Magyar nyelv (A1) OR Slovak OR Czech (A1).
Like these cultures so idk yet which one to prioritize.

>>214584864
yes, accepting A1-B1 level is more realistic than trying to be fluent in so many languages. this is probably the level a lot of youtube "polyglots" actually are

>>214584864
What's even the point of aiming for these arbitrary low levels? Anything below B2 is practically useless and basically only exists to syphon money from exam takers.

Anyone learn multiple romance languages? How do you not get them confused?

>>214587154
Aiming high is scary as a beginner and I also like too many languages at once. So either I stick with one (German/useful VS other language less useful) or you try one at a time …and then, decide which one you actually want to do. That’s what I think. All languages are difficult, so if you don’t know how fast you learn and at what pace or consistency, it’s best to stick with a lower level first. Unless someone tells me the opposite

>>214587696
Just start bro

>>214587696
I guess the question is, what are your goals. Not what languages you want to learn to a certain level, but why? Just to learn a bit about how they work, purely for fun? What do you want to get out of this? I want to learn X because Y. I think you're definitely better off focusing on one, two at most.

>>214587696
>Aiming high is scary as a beginner
NGMI
Grow some balls and Do. The. Work.

do you guys ever learn your TL from reading the threads on /int/?
I just learned "bougnoule" from the French thread lol

>>214587154
The categories are heavily inflated in most people's imagination. b2 is good enough to go to a country, work there and integrate meaningfully into social groups. Not all natives are even c2. a lot of natives have limited vocabulary and can't really read intellectual or scholarly material.

>>214587935
I was reading the german general but they were unbelievably gay so I stopped

>>214587935
I learn how to swear in french that way

>>214587935
Never bothered since for every reasonable post made by someone mentally well there's 99 unintelligible posts. I assume all the generals are like this.

>>214588285
Oh, god, it's that guy that learned English from 4chan.

>Hi, anon! Are you going to go wagecuck today? Are you still a retailcel? Watch out for the jannies. Nigger. I seriously hope I see you later, friendfag.

>>214578681
Lil bro has the He-Man trim bruh

>>214587935
the poles at /polska/ polonized (You) as jus (plural jusy)
dajcie mi jusy

>>214588285
the French one seems ok (not that I can really tell)
but I'm guessing some like Finnish are pure autism

>>214587935
Yes, been lurking in le francofil for months, yet I still don't know who Prissou and Enzo are nor I want to know

>>214578681
>>214588823
New He-man is going to be climatic

Do you guys ever repeat content? I'm thinking about relistening to some of the conversational podcasts that I enjoyed.

>>214589156
New He-man is fighting Israel, no?

>Qodobka 5aad.

>Afka rasmiga ah ee jamhuuriyadda Federaalka Soomaaliya waa Af-soomaaliga (Maay iyo Maxaatri tiri), af Carabigana waa luqadda labaad.

>had to drop my new cards per day on the 1500 card deck to 1 new card per day while i let the reviews sink in
>only learned 270 cards so far
at this rate it will probably take me 12 months to finish this gay deck if i have to take a 1 week break every 3 weeks

>>214588842
were you the one talking about speaking polish to a russian taxi driver? why learn polish? why move there??

I just got back from my first trip to Germany. I realised Germany is kinda shit.
I am no longer learning German.

>>214590065
to add, German people are nice though. No issues with them. Just the country itself.

>>214590065
Did people switch to English every time you tried to speak German?

>>214590122
No because I talked to them in English to begin with.
Its the country. You know when you walk around somewhere and you're just like "wow, this is underwhelming". Basically Paris syndrome.

>>214590178
What did you expect ? They have a cold mentality, except maybe southern. It’s only useful to learn for economical reasons/EU.

>>214576484
Do you aim for a certain level or wish to visit the country one day… or you just learn for fun ?

>>214590730
Its got nothing to do with the people. The German people are really nice.
The country and the cities I went to were just underwhelming shitholes. Frankfurt especially so.

>>214590861
Frankfurt looks like it could be nice because of the river. It’s expensive, violence and weird sh*t going on. Homelessness probably too. Just type “straßenleben” on YouTube and you will see (not specifically Frankfurt). Not too surprised… never been to Germany myself, I heard they are cold etc. I have a great uncle who lives in a house in Bavaria with no children, if it weren’t for them I wouldn’t care about the country. Nice language and phonetics.

>>214591070
>sh*t
Kys

>>214590824
Plan is to go there on vacation when I consider my Czech good enough (I haven't decided what that means yet) but I mostly started for fun

>>214591126
I’m allowed to criticize Germany I’m basically 50% German

>>214590861
is it worse than the UK and France?

>>214591198
It's because of censorship

>>214591198
No, you are self censoring profanities on the trannime forum.
Kys for that reason.

>>214591232
France is the worst of all of them, UK and Germany are about the same. Filthy shit holes, at least where I went.
Some places in Wales are quite nice and I imagine the same is true for some places in Germany - but not where I went.

>>214587154
B2+ isn't any more useful to me than B1 or A2. They are all equally arbitrary. I sign up for exams because they have a measurable effect on the amount of hours I study and I'm not poor.

>>214591566
Based and goal orientated pilled

>>214587935
It's the best way to learn slurs, swears, and slang

>>214591181
Wow… nice goal, wish you good luck. Also they have amazing movies. Insane letters but you probably get used to it, (reading children book etc).

>>214589464
I enjoy repeating content several months later, seeing how much I've learned and what I'm still struggling with.

>>214591854
Thanks. I haven't started movies yet but I'm making a list of things to watch when I understand a little better. The spelling is the easiest part of the language, it is pretty consistent. I prefer accents to letters having 3 different ways to be pronounced

>>214590054
No, not me
Yes I'm moving to Poland

>>214592365
If they have a dubbing culture, than that’s a great tool as well.
Radio Garden is sometimes “ok” but not for a beginner, speak faster than movies. However Praha has radio stations in French and English that talks about cultural issues etc. I also found a radio station where they talk slower but it looks boring (theater).
Latin alphabet + á, č, ď, é, ě, í, ň, ó, ř, š, ť, ú, ů, ý, ž.

>>214592989
It's not hard to memorize them though. Ones with accents like á or ů are just held longer, ones like č and d' are just softened

Let's make everyone filter Canada it will be funny guys

>>214593419
Kek, sometimes I wait for a non-leaf to post just so it doesn't look like I'm spamming the thread. I mean, it makes sense there are a lot of Canadians here. We are an officially bilingual country.

>>214593419
You'll never see a discussion about a slavik language again

>>214590065
How do I unsubscribe to your blog?

>>214593111
Yeah it’s nothing compared to German, let’s say.
I also wonder how long you started, but you seem to have a lot of resources so I bet it’s been months or maybe a year since you started. And I also assume it’s your 2nd language

>>214594438
Unlearn English <3

>>214594453
I started around June. It's my third language, I had French shoved down my throat as a youth

>>214594551
You make me want to explore it (if you’re okay with this, idk maybe you’re the overly protective type with languages)

>>214595297
I think everyone in here should learn Czech, Czech is fun

>>214569663 (OP)
anyone trying to learn pashtun here?

There is truly nothing more disheartening than recognizing every word in a sentence but having no idea what it's trying to say

>>214595543
what too much anki and not enough input does to a mf

>>214595905
It's true
I've been grinding anki and decided to practice listening but now I just feel like a retard

>>214595543
Abandon anki and read more.
Reading is just SRS but the way god intended.

>>214596530
Do you also practice speaking ? Or get a friend to review, change how you organize your self learning habits etc

>>214589608
That is the fifth article of the 2012 Dastuur.

when Germans say tschüss sometimes the ü sounds like [i], what's going on?

>>214597743
It’s “ou”. Maybe it’s a dialect thing

>>214595366
It’s one of the hardest languages ! Like level 4. More crazy tenses than Russian but less difficult pronunciation.

>reading ecchi manga for input
>after reading one volume tell myself I can jerk off as a reward, then I'll read some more
>jerk off
>no interest in reading anymore
I did it to myself. Guess I'll pick it back up tomorrow.

>>214598163
Difficulty is fake, just put in the time and you can learn it

>>214598283
Futari Ecchi is pretty good for learning sex terms

>>214598163
If I can speak it, anyone can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aukjECdFoxs

Digga vielleicht haben wir mit Duolingo zu hart ins Gericht gegangen. Dieser Typ hat damit es geschafft, ausgerechnet Arabisch zu meistern.

>>214598496
Idk if I should believe you knowing the phonetics, but I will <3

>>214598340
Depends how many hours you put each day too, because languages that are level 4 need constant studying. 45 minutes is considered nothing

I'm interested in learning German, French, Serbo-Croatian, Afrikaans, Russian, Hebrew and brush up on the Gaeilge I learned in school.

>>214594551
>I had French shoved down my throat as a youth
I really love hearing you Anglo cunts whine about this, it feels even better when you fags didn't study properly or forgot everything you learned, since it means you wasted all your time.

>>214596555
I like anki too much to uninstall it, I like spaced repetition and it gives me something to do when I'm bored besides doomscrolling, I just need to read more
>>214597325
Sometimes, I don't have anyone to talk to but I just read sentences into a mic and listen to it back

>>214600462
Get a italki friend (or not, some of them are pushy). Or find a pal somewhere online or play an online game that’s popular in that country idk. No idea what your TL so can’t say much and probably unfamiliar

>>214599913
Hmmmmmm
>Good Luck !
Pick one and start there. Then, continue if you like or start something else.
You first language will be important because you will figure out HOW you learn/organize yourself. So it will be easier if you switch to something else

>>214600395
I understand most french perfectly I just don't like speaking it

>>214600770
You only do if your native, if you aren’t, I can’t think of any reason why anyone would…. Especially the sounds of the words = -__-

>>214600816
Not native but I've been learning since I was 5, the sound of (Quebec) French I can understand fine. I never spoke enough so I never got good at it. I can get by but I sound like a retard

>>214590065
the stereotypes about germany and germans are mostly true, which makes it frustrating. my mother is a german, but very americanized. I can sense her frustration with the way germans are. we usually visit germany every summer for a family reunion and it's a logistical nightmare because half of the relatives plan their vacations like two years ahead of time. there is just no concept of spontaneity. I am still learning german because of the family connection and because i just find it challenging.

>>214600885
I learned simultaneously English and French, so for me, learning a new language would be extremely new and challenging. I understand every accent in French too which is cool, it’s probably my native language. My father is 100% anglophone and never learned French. He’s better than me in English ofc

>>214600974
My Oma and apps both did not like Germany although they forced us to sing German Christmas carols. My oma was obsessed with her polish and French roots, as if Germans were not good or something. Crazy love/hate relationship with their own country

>>214601308
*Opa

>youtube-dl to download video in my TL
>OpenAI Whisper to generate the subtitle
>Yomitan + asbplayer + anki for sentence mining
very nice

>>214600816
I like the sound of it, maybe just because it's novel to me, but the nasal vowels and guttural R are fun to say

>>214587544
They're pretty distinct, I speak Spanish C1 and French B2. Though I'd be lying if I said I don't codeswitch between them accidentally sometimes if I'm drunk. They do kind of lean into each other gramatically and sometimes in vocabulary and your wires might get crossed. I bet if you spoke Portuguese and Spanish this would be even more so the case.

>>214601266
Yeah I had some idea of what helped me learn a language already, I think it does help. Most important thing to me is not to over translate things in your head. Think in words of your TL as soon as you can. And try not to fight against the different structure of the language. I've seen some beginner videos with subtitles in broken English, but it's broken on purpose to be a more direct translation. It helps me to think in broken English like that when I need to fill in the blanks trying to use my TL

>>214601429
I’m kinda proud to be able to make this R thrilled sound even though it’s not special and no one cares. Btw nobody uses it in French anymore, the R sound disappeared, it’s used in Italian (R-oma)

half of this general is just the leaf talking to himself

Korea, why did you lock your social networking app up behind verification? I'm trying to learn your language! Fuck!!!

>>214602056
Did you want to talk to me instead?

>>214602081
because incels o algo

>>214602056
I think there's 4 or 5 of us

>>214602081
they are the first country to use a real-name system online you tell me

>>214602135
At least two of those are me, I do talk to myself sometimes

>>214602174
I can tell you to STFU.

>>214602081
Try learning Chinese, anon. The QQ group isn't active and the guide is somewhat outdated. How do you think I feel? Haha.

>>214601349
is Whisper better than the youtube-generated subtitles?

>>214602056
Noooooooooo
> me and this other one.
But yeah it’s funny lol

>>214602081
You vill show ze document and you vill be happy

How do I make learning a language fun? None of the people I know IRL are motivated enough to learn a new language and I feel unmotivated while learning alone. "Language learning apps" seem to be covert dating apps, so no luck there.

>>214599913
Hebrew and Irish have some similar grammar and sentence formation so I would reccomend brushing up on your Irish first to get a good base for Hebrew. Why Afrikaans and not just Dutch? Once you learn a language with a certain set of features, any other language with those features becomes easier, so French, Russian, Serbo-Croatian and German will all complement each other very well, order won't really matter but to follow the same concept as with Irish before Hebrew, you would probably want to do French -> German -> Russian/Serbo-Croatian. Very nice list you've got, is it purely practical? If you'd like more sort of linguistic experience I'd get more differences, main one would be to get a verb-final language in there, you've already got Irish for verb initial and English for verb medial so that would be useful to have, maybe Turkish, Japanese, Farsi, or any other verb final language. Also a bigger variety of scripts, Hebrew would give you an RTL and an Abjad at the same time, I would personally include a chinese character using language, so any variety of chinese or japanese. I would also, personally, suggest Arabic over Hebrew. It's got WAY more speakers, WAY more places to visit, an actually working abjad, and if you learn MSA (which I reccomend), you also get a VERY standardised grammar set, which is really useful. Plus, if you get into it a bit, i'm not even joking, you can straight up read like 60%-80% of Hebrew words, bowever you wont understand anything spoken, unless it's biblical hebrew. And if you for some reason are learning hebrew for liturgical reasons then I'd be interested to hear how /where. Finally I want to say, crucially, PRACTICE SPEAKING. It is so much more effective than hours of reading and listening.
Go raibh slí socair suas romhat a chara.

>177 cards to review in Chinese
shieeeettt

>>214604169
What are you trying to learn? I think the early stages are a bit of a grind no matter what your TL is.

>Russian
>Portuguese
>Chinese
>French
Which of these langs has the best internet culture?

>>214587935
learned a fair bit for /deutsch/ and also german twitter. It is a good way to pick up slang. I learned from /deutsch/ in particular that germans will type things like hab ne Katze gesehen dropping letters/pronouns.

>>214604573
Fr*nch

I just found out that reddit hates Easy German because Cari and Janusz have an "age gap" relationship and they believe that he groomed her because they first met when she was like 16.

>>214590861
Du bist daran Schuld, dass du aus irgendeinem unerklärlichen Grund nach Frankfurt gereist bist, was ein weltberühmter Drecksloch ist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kKHvbZ4lE&ab_channel=KurtCaz

Only languages with a country in red or dark blue are worth learning

>>214604573
Le France (oui oui).

>>214604573
RU probably because all the weird stuff comes from there. And they also have a lot of users. China is censured. French can have interesting sites/forums but I don’t follow what’s going on anymore and my algorithm is either in English or Russian. No idea with Portuguese sorry

>>214604818
Surprised Russia is in red…

>>214604257
I've been messing around on busuu to get a feel for different languages. The most fun for me seems to be German. Italian would probably be the easiest, lowest hanging fruit, but I just don't feel it. Got past A1 on both

I need to find a way to make learning enjoyable so I stick to it and get things done

>आप
/aː.p/
Is a honorific pronoun, personal, second person, singular, honorific, so the auxiliary verb that stablish compound tense times for second person **हो** must go after it's hororofic/ third person plural form to the stablish a good grammar agreement along the post-subject verbs.

e.g. : आप कैसे हैं?

>>214604573
>Portuguess
Just mad me remeber how dogshit 1500chan is.

you can hear the Arnold Schwarzenegger in the way Austrians speak German lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z8nG0MQk2o

>>214604803
>>214604818
Disagree. If you learn how to pronounce French properly they will fucking love you. Especially as an American. They make me feel like a god over there. I actually feel good about myself when I'm there. Here I'm just a fucking nobody loser.

>>214604818
>speaks Irish
>gets no reaction
No wonder that language is dying...

>>214605987
from what I can tell, Irish people hate learning the language in school, like how Anglo Canadians hate learning French. even those who continue to learn Irish don't seem to care about the phonology at all and pronounce it the same as English, which sounds like ass. it's definitely gonna die off, Welsh people care more about preserving their language for some reason

>>214605987
99% of Ireland is monolingual anglophone, if you spoke Irish to someone they'd have no idea what you're saying. There's a chance not even the few natives would understand you, since l2 speakers have notoriously bad pronunciation and grammar.

>>214605987
Most Irish don't speak Irish, due to the English genocidal campaign against them.

>>214606026
Welsh has 1. Geographic center in the North 2. Actual immersion schools. If Ireland’s government literally just met existing demands for opt-in immersion schools it on paper would have as many students learning as in Wales, but I heard one local government was so resistant to opening one that parents had to campaign for 12 years for one to open.

>>214602331
>is Whisper better than the youtube-generated subtitles?
Not sure. I haven't used those much (I never liked them) and I'm actually using youtube-dl to download tv episodes from a website that isn't youtube, and that doesn't provide subtitles.

if the episoes were on youtube, and they had auto-generated subtitles, I probably would suck it up and use those.

Why do Indians interpret the english t/d sounds as retroflexes?

Lari is my new /lang/ gf. she's so cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh9mXPhXdcg

>>214606874
Maybe because then the dental ones are free to use as th/dh

>>214604818
>>214605987

>>214607303
lel

grim

>>214607303
kek

trying to learn ukrainian right now

seems like a brutish language desu, like hillbillies speaking. Is russian better in that regard or is it a slav problem in general

>>214604760
>Cari and Janusz
I thought both of them were in their like 50s?
isnt the age of consent there like 14 anyway?

>>214604818
In my experience, Norwegians only switch if you struggle to keep up with it.
As long as you can follow fast convos and speak fast yourself while keeping correct pronunciation, they are more than happy to speak Norwegian with you.

>>214606038
>due to the English genocidal campaign against them
Teehee :3

>>214611540
That's how it is everywhere.
The people who get frustrated and complain about people switching to English are almost always less than intermediate level in their TL.

After 4 months I still suck at Russian and I am uncomfortable with using those language apps so I will never ever speak to one

>>214604573
Russians pirate everything, if you learn russian you get access to unlimited torrents

>>214604197
it only gets worse dont worry

>>214602317
you dont have to base your entire study program off /int/

>>214604760
why are they like this?

>>214607657
now i really want to see a french person pronounce spanish. i just cannot imagine that at all

>>214604760
Americans are so retarded with their 'she what's a hecking 17.9 years old, you pervert'

>>214604760
Kek, pls link

>>214611797
What do you recommend then?

>>214613839
https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/17tziqc/easy_german_are_cari_and_manuel_related/

Do you guys recommend learning Italian or German FIRST ?
> Italian : sister lives there. Not a fan because sounds like French and I’m native French.
>German : love the sound of the language, family member idk who live there as well, German last name, spoken in many countries. My sister works for a German firm so maybe I can … help ? Love German music too.

>>214606026
Welsh were actually integrated and accepted into the Union with England where care to try to crush their culture and language by the English simply wasn’t there, even if they were capable of that at the time.

>>214611763
More info on this? I can read basic Russian, so I want their power.

>>214616234
Zoomer?

>>214615839
You should learn Mandarin. It is the only language worth learning.

>>214616586
How hard is Tang poetry for a non spacker with a decent grasp of Mandarin

>>214616586
Yes (worldwide) but no (personal reasons)

>>214616649
>but no (personal reasons)
Get some Chinese baddies on yo dick

>>214604573
>>214611763
Chinese also pirate much and French have big torrent trackers and pirate sites. But not as much as Russian or even Ukrainian. There is ton of pirated content in Ukrainian

>>214610797
Probably the latter. Ukrainian is more clear, has fewer consonant clusters and much less varied stress, vowels shifts etc than other Slavic languages. There are probably too many г, х, ш, щ but less than in Polish and too many o.

>>214616707
(Not a man)
> Italian or German

How hard is for native speakers of German to read Goethe? Harder than Shakespeare for English L1s?

>>214616775
>Not a man
Lil bro comes to the anime site to spread lies bruh

>>214616775
Romance languages are for women and fags, so Italian.

>>214616850
this

Ok then I’ll buy a textbook for German A1

>>214616790
>Goethe
But you didn't have to cut me off!
>>214616586
Then explain why it has no general?

>>214617195
>Then explain why it has no general?
Because people who actually learn languages don't come to this site

>>214616775
Many things were said about German, I'll add a few words about Italian.

Italian is a quite neat language. Simple phonology, regular grammar, familiar to English or other romance language speakers vocabulary. phonetic spelling also.

Italians also separate their dialect and standard Italian better. German speakers from different regions can be hard to understand.

>>214615839
What German music do you like?

>>214616790
not difficult at all

>>214617265
Italian is a quite neat language. Simple phonology, regular grammar, familiar to English or other romance language speakers vocabulary. phonetic spelling also.
I feel like I want a challenge. I wouldn’t mind learning Italian, I just not sure how much. Mostly to understand and say basic things. It’s too familiar for me so I’m not into it much

>>214616707
Not worth the trouble if you're white.

>>214612682
saw clips of that in this video, from 3:50 to 4:03 and 4:12 to 4:32 lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEZNkkAzeYU&t=3m50s

>>214617224
>Because people who actually learn languages don't come to this site
Then why are you here?

>>214617526
I don't feel like German has any unique challenges at least. The case system is tiny, often redundant. The verbs are also not that hard. Italian verbs are trickier. Phonology is probably harder, but not by much, because it is quite close to English.

Vocabulary and usage is going to challenge you the most I feel.

That's of course for learning to say uneven B1/B2. To master a language is another thing and German is notorious for filtering people.

>>214618190
> German is notorious for filtering people.
Not sure what you mean by this :/

I had no idea about Italian verbs… honestly if I were to go to Italy, would make sense to learn it.
German has the CH/SCH sounds that are a bit tricky (as a francophone/anglophone).
Your language is so difficult that I guess maybe other languages aren’t as much. I really want to learn at least A1 in a Slavic language but I need to focus on Italian or German (more useful). I also find German don’t care if you learned their language which is a bit sad

>>214618543
Goals :
Italian A2 or more if I’m motivated enough
German A1/A2
A Slavic language A1 + if I’m motivated and good enough to continue

>female joins /lang/
>turns it into her personal blog
Who could have foreseen this?

>>214604169
"Fun" is when difficulty meats your capability and you can sense on a very real level that you can make progress in whatever you're doing. Most common issue is you're using dogshit methods, or you're just not sticking with it long enough to see results. Once you can establish a feedback loop of doing [something] and it leading to results, it starts being very easy to do the work, you start craving it even.

>>214619643
A1 and A2 are basically nothing. You would not be able to exist comfortably in another country with only A2

>>214618543
I meant people get stuck at B1/B2 levels unless they put in more effort

>>214619643
A2 is ok if you're just visiting a country for a weeks I guess. However aiming at Italian A2 as francophone feels downright criminal. If you speak with an Italian in simple language you might already converse on this level.

Also It's a little easier to somewhat comfortable with German, before trying a Slavic language.

>>214619853
female Jordan anon, just imagine

>>214618136
Self explanatory retard. Same reason you are here. Nobody in this thread is actually learning any languages. Its a method shill thread.

>>214619853
leave my Quebecois queen alone

>>214620446
Based on her being here, it is more likely "she" is from Saskatchewan.
Not a single Saskatchewan is mentally sound.

>>214615644
>"Hurr age gaps are wrong even when a woman is in her 20s"
>"Le older guy will always manipulate a woman the moment the age gap is greater than 3 years"
Instead of telling women how to actually spot manipulative behaviour, they will just claim that age gaps are always bad and all problems are solved now. Yet these same people completely deny that unrestricted casual sex and literally whoring yourself out can have any negative effect on your ability to form meaningful relationships. Worse yet, many of them outright encourage this type of behaviour.
It's just that they are miserable and want to ruin relationships between consenting adults. They never cared about helping anyone. Everyone should just be as miserable as they are.

>>214621086
Something something psyop aimed at trashy people anyway - who cares what sheeple think?

>>214620315
I aim lower because I’m mainly not sure how I learn, that’s why // I’m actually slow and need repetition, homework and constant listening/speaking/writing to be able to feel good and continue. I agree with German easier to start with since they have a bit more cases whereas Slavic languages have at least 7. Unless you’re okay with starting at a high level.
I won’t go higher than A2 Italian only since I’m not obsessed with it (for now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQYFkw2d8U
>Boomer rejects Anki and burn out vanishes.
Interesting...

>>214619853
I agree, should be my blog instead

>>214619978
I aim low for now.. Until my brain gets things straight then I’ll continue on

Is "meditating on" words or sentences/poems, like how in Skyrim the Dragonborn can meditate on a word of power, actually a good idea for real life languages? Hear me out...

>>214621187
Complexity of German language is spread out among various aspects of the language. That means you can approach the language from any angle, and as long you feel progress and it brings you closer to having a comprehensible input routine, you're golden.

It's a bit like English in this respect and many learnt English without any system. Myself included. As a kid many times I began to read or watch something, only to find out it's only partially translated or dubbed into Ukrainian or Russian. But curiosity kept gnawing and I continued in English even if when I didn't understand good half of what's conveyed.

My hunch would be to start with Pimsleur German and to scan through past /lang/ threads for mentions of German.

>>214622353
No shit. People mine songs to great effect.

I feel like short and simpler poems like haiku would also work well. They are short, repetitive and have structure. Longer forms of poetry vocabulary would crush an unsuspecting learner.

>>214622622
What about national anthem? They are often poems with repetition and I think I'll have to memorize this anyway.

Is it bad practice to have subtitles while listening, if both the audio and subtitles are in your TL? I can read fine, but processing a spoken sentence takes too long and by the end of it they've moved onto the next sentence. I feel like I need subtitles but also that I might depend on them too much

>>214620422
>Asked why he's here if nobody intended to learn languages
>N-no u!
Bongs are so retarded. No wonder your country is being swamped by browns.

>>214622431
Do you pay 25$ per month ? 7 day trial and you have to pay for it (Pimsleur). One of my fav movies is in both Russian/German, lovely languages but German is nothing compared to any Slavic languages (imagine self learning it… impossible).

>>214623308
>imagine self learning it… impossible
Motivation difference

>>214622961
It's like training wheels. It's fine and a valid way to improve your listening, but at some point you'll need to try listening without subtitles too.
>processing a spoken sentence takes too long and by the end of it they've moved onto the next sentence
You can try listening to youtube videos/podcasts at 0.75x speed to give you a little more time.
Another tip, on Youtube you can hit "c" to show/hide the subtitles. So you can focus on listening and bring up the subtitles if you struggle with a particular sentence. MPV and VLC have subtitle visibility shortcuts too, if you use those players.

>>214622964
Cope and seethe retard. You have made no progress today.

>>214605946
Maybe this depends on where you go. I've heard Francophone coworkers (Quebecois) complain that in France people even give THEM the instant English switch, lol. Very amusing to me as an FTL (French as third language).

I'm so glad that my Acadian parents refused to teach me French.

>>214622961
I think it's a good practice most of the time, especially if the spelling in the language is not phonetic. If you consume faster and with better comprehension the increase in volume alone would outweigh much of the benefit of not using subtitles.

I can barely find any comprehensible input for Brazilian Portuguese. Should I switch to Spanish?

>>214624539
>Gets filtered that early
Damn...

>>214624221
>Still does nou
Brown brainlet confirmed. That or just another week Anglo cuck. LMAO.

>>214624754
Projection, H1b Amerijeet

>>214624717
Well, I want a language with a lot of varied content. France has a population that is one-fourth the size of Brazil's, yet they seem to produce four times the amount of content.

>>214623308
lol, pirate it. maybe if they added new content or more levels to other languages in the last decades I'd feel a little guilty.

>>214624539
Language that many courses, apps etc support, that vidya and anime gets dubbed in, that has a big presence on the internet has little comprehensible input?

>>214625150
I think you are just looking in the wrong places.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BobEsponjaemPortugu%C3%AAs
This shit is all you need for the beginner to intermediate stage - if they have this they have anything else you would ever want

>>214622961
that's basically all I do. but it gets much harder to understand with the subtitles off, so I have to confront that eventually

>>214624539
check the Super Easy videos in the Easy Portuguese channel. there might be some European in there but I think it's mostly Brazilian

Why does grammar get a bad rap? I mean, I acknowledge I'm a little autistic. But a lot of times if I read a grammar explanation about my TL, I'm like "oh, THAT'S why they are saying it that way". Like it just makes more sense after a grammar explanation. Basically, is grammar underrated?

>no, you're supposed to learn like a child does!
Children hear their native language for many hours a day and they still fuck up grammar until they're like 10 or so.

Now where did I put that filter of mine...

>>214625184
> pirate
Sucks to be me :(
And no I won’t bother my sisters bf’s brother to do this, oh well… but I would have liked to try it out just to see

>>214625842
>But a lot of times if I read a grammar explanation about my TL, I'm like "oh, THAT'S why they are saying it that way".
I think that's a sign that you consumed some content first before reading the grammar, which I think is the better way to do it.
The problem is that classes/teachers want to teach lots of grammar upfront, before you even see any of it in actual content, and force you to memorize it. This is why teaching yourself is better, nobody knows better than you how well you understood a word or a sentence, and if you only look up grammar and vocab when you don't understand, you're way more efficient than someone sitting through all that shit in a classroom.

>>214625842
Grammar exists for a reason yeah

>>214626063
for what reason

>>214626148
To give meaning to sounds

>>214626148
To give grammarians jobs

>>214626148
To win internet arguments when I notice my opponent makes a minor grammar mistake.

My favorite ergative language? Basque.
My favorite polysynthetic language? French.
My favorite tonal language? Norwegian.
My favorite creole language? Irish (as spoken in Dublin).

>>214626044
You can subscribe if you want, do 1 or 2 lessons a day. That would cost you like $100.
Or you can torrent. Your choice. If you don't have pc/mac you can torrent from android. If you don't have android you really should get a pc/mac e.g. a used ThinkPad laptop, cause the computing experience is just so much. Use free Proton VPN and Proton Mail if you worry. Or do ask.

Pinned post and past threads are full of links. So is FluentU blog about German learning.
Go to DW Learn German and start learning. Get Pimsleur too. And stop being a chicken. Learning German will do you good.

>>214627903
I see… I have a old mac (2015), a PC and a IPhone. I may have to do research though, 100$ I don’t want to pay that high.
I hesrd about torrents and how it works but never used it. Maybe it’s Time for me torrents learn about this. I have a Asus PC, let’s Hope this will work

>>214626044
>Sucks to be me :(
>oh well…
Such reddit typing lmao. Obligatory ...SIGH

>>214627712
>My favorite tonal language? Norwegian.
Is it like Swedish?
>My favorite creole language? Irish
Savage. Have some sample sentences?

>>214576484
>Czech
>Canadian
This isn't you is it Anon? If it is could you please masturbate in your own room instead of on the couch? It's not very polite
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/213352377/#q213352377

>>214628651
Psychosis really is a super power in language learning, i wish i had such superpower

>>214627712
I love europe (architecture, traditional music, pastures, nordic biomes) but it's ruined by being full of europeans

>>214628855
I mean if this is her I don't blame her i did the same with English when i first got internet access and immediately became obsessed with Anglo (especially mutt) culture and watched literally 10s of 1000s of hours of content until i brute forced the language through my thick sandnigger skull, including the whole talking to yourself in the mirror part.

It's just that it's a bit weird for him/her to upload a story about him/herself on 4chuds of all places and in such great detail as to make the possibility of it being fake pretty unlikely. The internet truly is a wonderful place.

>>214628651
I've been found out

>>214629403
Owari da

>>214628651
You can clearly tell that’s fake.

>>214617224
>Then explain why it has no general?
there's ironically not enough people on our side of the internet that want to/speaks Chinese
Mainlainders (and the ones overseas) would never come here and the ones that are actually learning Chinese are doing it somewhere else
even now, the Chinese reach is too young (compared to Korea, and don't ever bother to compare with Japan's) to maintain whole threads
we are just not there yet
my only cope is to learn enough and then I fuck off forever to Hellotalk, XHS or WeChat
sad :(

>>214629553
I can easily imagine such a person exists

>>214628610
>Is it like Swedish?
Yes
>Have some sample sentences?
https://forum.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?t=24215

>>214629553
I've seen weirder shit in my time here browsing my favorite Korean Grandma Crochet Forum this could definitely be real

>>214629782
I wish I can go back to the 2000s and participate in the african language forum

>>214629954
Yeah because people have too much imagination. Meankng it can’t be real…. !
Czech makes sense to grind only to understand Vesmírní lidé

>>214629615
那滚出去吧你

>>214628651
too detailed to be fake
there are definitely women like that and they are all fat lesbians

>>214630800
我的中文不好
我在学习

bomp

>>214630921
Not sure why I didn't get notified of your reply. Weird. Ignore that bong; he's a troll. Anyway...

That's my guess. Just not enough serious interest. I have XHS and WeChat. What did you do to get to your current level?

Beginning to learn French. How retarded will I sound if I forego [ʁ]? Are there any dialects that use a tapped r or something? I just suck at it.

>>214633429
>I just suck at it.
Figure it out. Shits like asking if you can learn the trumpet without learning embouchure.
You can make it work, you will struggle down the line though - the sooner you get a good embouchure the better you will sound.

>>214633429
>dialects that used tapped r
yes plenty
you would sound retarded anyway and they'll know it's a retard FSL move when it comes from you

I will try to get a 100 TL score on Duolingo before my 1000 day streak

>>214633429
Are you the Russian from a while ago behind a proxy

>>214633875
I'll make it work

>>214632837
learning HSK1 and massively lurking XHS, that's a fucking massive trove for everything

>>214633875
Duolingo sucks anyways

>>214624539
/bra/ is there.

https://m.youtube.com/@CzechWithKaterina/videos

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uHLv-HZKAh8&pp=ygUTQ3plY2ggbGVhcm5pbmcgc2VsZg%3D%3D

>>214632837
>Ignore that bong; he's a troll
Wasnt me that replied in chinese
I am not a troll - I am the only sane and reasonable anon in these threads...

Y'all notice the lute fags are not here today?
Really makes you think

>>214634515
The only one I know is the Serb one and he’s nice

>>214634725
There is two and I am convinced they are the same person.
One is a serb, the other is a portugeeez

Daily reminder to install Lute™ and readmaxx yourself to fluency.

>>214634860
Just read a book nigga. Ted K predicted this shit...

>>214634860
is that really superior to any other pop-up dictionary

>>214635045
Not really. I just like having all my texts/audio/words in one place.

>>214634860
Yay I missed you Dragan

>>214635045
No but it has le anki integration.
Integrate your soul to the devil

speaking of which does lingq have any real benefits over free add-ons or is it just a way to make a massive amount of money off of shit you could do on your own at no cost

>>214634334
So many pretty Czech girls who want to teach us their language

>>214635998
I don’t honestly care (I’m a woman with no life), I’m happy there are free videos since some have paid non live courses they make you which is the exact same thing. Thanks YouTube. You could try italki too, it’s not that cheap for 1 live course and they give you extra exercises for practice/organize how you work

>>214636204
*Non paid *

>>214633429
just keep practising, I think it's easier than the alveolar R in Italian etc.

Just installed Lute.
This shit is actually clunkier than just using calibre lol.
Anything other than wiktionary is like ah yes a new window...
Brilliant. Trinkertranny slop holy shit.

Reasonably speaking, where should you be at skill wise if its been 3 years since you started learning your target language? I started Spanish 3 years ago and I can understand a lot but I can't exactly express myself sometimes when speaking. I am learning in a very weird way also. I basically learn via massive input and interacting with my friends who speak Spanish. I don't do massive translations but I will translate really obscure words if I can't infer what it means by context. Overall, I am having a lot of fun learning. The main reason I wanted to learn this way is to avoid burnout. I never get burned out but I feel my learning is slower because I don't do grammar drills etc. Is this a okay way to learn or am I somehow gimping myself?

>>214636553
You make progress relative to the amount of good hours put in.
You can say 3 years, but how many hours in those 3 years have you actually spent on the language?

>>214636488
When you add dictionaries, you can select Embedded or Pop-up window.

>>214636602
There is no point though. Imo its inferior to calibre. Shit just werks.I am not a tinkertranny.
If it works for your method, then good on ya.

>>214636597
I basically practice every day deliberately and passively. I pretty much only listen to Spanish music and I try to even type basic things in Spanish like if I have to look something up etc. Then there is speaking practice with my friends. I think my biggest weakness is actually probably grammar and unfamiliar conjugations.

More reading done. Have had breakthroughs lately with confident scanning of sentences using the typical grammar/syntax of this work. Finding myself mainly naturally reading now, and then just going back to double check vocab/inflections I was uncertain on.

I spent some time today reading random chapters of a latin textbook someone gave me called "An Introductory Latin Course" by a Robert Zaslavsky, published within the past 10 years. It basically seems to be Wheelock but with more overt explanations, reading the preface it sounds like the intent was to make it a little smoother for modern American students who may lack a formal grammar education, and/or homeschoolers/autodidacts. Otherwise the book is formatted basically the same and even covers the same topics in the same order of lessons for at least the first 6 or so chapters. I feel like a major benefit of Lute has been that I can do a lot of reading volume, like 5 hours, and then all of the sudden get a massive amount of benefit from just reading through a grammar textbook without doing the exercises for like 30 minutes. I think I will take the time to grind all the exercises in this or Wheelock when I get farther along and want to try my hand at composition, if ever.

>>214634471
Sure, anon. Whatever you say. Go have mommy tuck you in. It's time for bed.

>>214634071
"Learning" HSK1? Isn't that a textbook? How did you learn from that?

>>214637313
Maybe do some learning instead of spending all day on /lang/ xd

>>214634295
I ain't good enough to post yet.
Btw is Brazil really that dangerous, as people say?

>>214637339
sorry, I meant I'm learning HSK1
what did I do?
apps (duolingo, hellochinese), tiktok feed, XHS feed, one actual HSK1 pdf I'm stalling, Anki cards

>>214636488
using it with Yomitan is peak experience. since I don't really want to build my own dictionary, just mark off words

which Portuguese do you guys think has a nicer sound to it, European or Brazilian?

Who is the Matt vs Japan of spanish? Or some videos of people learning spanish and moving to latin america and talking about it?

>>214637409
Maybe kill yourself NOW instead of wasting oxygen xd

god I love Italian so much but it's useless AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>214638588
Kurt Caz

>>214639785
Yeah Kurt rules but he doesnt really talk much about language learning

>>214634515
Because they're in church? Because they're actually studying instead of wasting their time on the internet?

>>214636802
>>214634515
>>214641344
Funnily enough I was actually at mass when the britbong posted.

>>214636488
Depends entirely on the dictionaries available in your language and whether you have the initiative to customize your setup.

>>214637706
Totally gonna use this for Japanese.

Le Renard

>>214642946
>>214642946
>>214642946

न्या!!!।

>>214604818
>>214611540

i honestly feel like we should be in the navy blue category