Thread 214618844

I regularly read Ukrainian forums just to have a glimpse of life of a country at war and it does feel like completely different reality. While in my country young people would get depressed over irrelevant shit like "tfw no gf", Ukrainian guys of the same age spend their time exchanging information about which paths from home to workplace/supermarket to choose in their city to avoid a military patrol that would mobilize them or announce something like

>today a missile flew just before my nose again, thankfully it didn't hit me, sadly that young family with a stroller and 2 babies inside wasn't so lucky this time. Oh, someone's flat is also burning and I hear screams from inside. Gonna go home, mum is probably waiting with a dinner, borsht today.

What's really insane to me is that they can talk about it as a part of regular daily life, they can even joke about it.

I wish I could help them somehow but on the other hand I kind of feel relieved that I don't have such problems they do.

>>214618844 (OP)
>I kind of feel relieved that I don't have such problems they do.
Oh don't you worry, it's coming to you too, soon.

Total world peace

Not having a gf is more painful than that

>>214618913
That's why I donate to Ukraine every time I finish reading that stuff, nothing makes me more scared than reading regular people just describing their own life

>>214618913
This

And I won't post "oh those poor poles" it will be "they had it coming. Where is daddy usa now you anti-EU Untermenschen?

>>214618844 (OP)
to me its insane that women are allowed to leave but men are forced to stay and live like rats, hiding from the government

Hillary shouldn’t have overthrown Yanukovych simple as

>>214618987
if the US doesn't help us then surely the EU wouldn't help us even more

>>214618987
i will just go to germany and sweep floors for 2,5 euro and rent an appartment in rostock for 500 euros, would probably be an upgrade fromy my current ife

>>214619075
there will be millions of Poles trying to do exactly the same, I don't think it will be as easy as it is today.

they vanished from this site

>>214618987
>>214619025
>>214619075
If the EU really wanted to make sure POCCNR doesn't get any ideas it would create a EU army with base salaries being germany tier, sure enough every other south yuropoid and balkanzee would sign away their souls for a chance at such a salary and it would quite quickly become the largest infantry in the world.

>>214619117
then i will gadly accept prison

>>214619163
countries most at risk of being invaded are living under a fictional nuclear umbrella
EU isn't serious

>>214619174
Prison where, in Poland? Do you think there is no mobilization in prisons in Ukraine?

>>214619222
and how exactly would they force me to fight? i would just desert

>>214619163
>and it would quite quickly become the largest infantry in the world.
infantry that is in the army only for the money wouldn't risk their life on the actual frontline
they would use their guns to chase timmies and throw them into the trenches instead

>>214619075
I will report every pole, even spending my free time to inspect bars, restaurants and every other place where I suspect poles to report. The german, dutch, french and governments will have a particular opinion on poles hiding and leeching welfare instead of dying for the EU gibs cities

Aside from Mobilism what Ukrainian forums are there?

>>214619256
>and how exactly would they force me to fight?
you didn't see videos how Russians/Ukrainians are forced to fight? there are a lot of sophisticated ways how to do that, after all there are tortures much much worse than death from a bullet

>>214619280
im not sure this would be legal
under eu law, i can move to portugal right now and they cant deport me if i left my country legally

>>214618844 (OP)
shouldn't have tried to coup the president and genocide the russian minority

>>214619347
do you think these rules won't be changed at war? silly you

>>214619347
Why are you such a coward?

>>214619347
I'm afriad we're prime targets for the samson option, for some reason. best to try some even more irrelevant shithole like spain

>>214619399
because im not retarded

>>214618844 (OP)
I used to hang out on a gaming forum for modding and came across this Ukrainian modder who lived in Mariupol. He had to stay there during the siege but thankfully managed to escape after some time. Dude was never the same afterward, lost his passion for gaming or anything really the poor bastard.

Ivan, no need to vpn.
Everyone knows who you are.

>>214619437
I rented out my second apartment to a young guy from one of the towns that were on the frontline, he showed me photos from his city, there was literally not a single building still standing, his own house was ruined as well

>>214618844 (OP)
wars are beyond depressing, when i was very young and i didnt understand stuff i told my dad (who was in the war) that i would join the army and defend croatia and he told me when you see a guy with half of his head missing and you could see whats remaining of his brain you wouldnt care about croatia
however this war in ukraine ends
imagine hundreds of thousands of guys coming home seeing shit like this and much worse since our war was far less bloody and killing themselfes, killing other people beating up their wifes and kids due to ptsd attacks, they will never be the same, normal, guys without legs and arms with disfigured faces
and nobody ever thinks about them they get some shitty pension and the world moves on

>>214619783
>and nobody ever thinks about them they get some shitty pension and the world moves on
yeah, at best they will get a nationalist concert organized once upon a time where those who can still walk will gather, drink beer only to return to work next day

>>214618844 (OP)
There's some ukie retard whining about no gf every day here though

>>214619945
i think that's the way he copes with reality
he tries to return to "normal" problems just not to see what the real problem is for him now
that's probably a psychological mechanism

>>214619895
yes thats happens here, and its so sad presidents and generals get their medals power and money, and the the people who suffered the most get nothing
in the war you are a hero and after you are a sucker that nobody needs
my mom cried every day that my father was at the frontlines my sister was born during the war, i dont wish that to nobody

>>214618844 (OP)
don't question the ways of a stalker he'll come up with a joke and move on with his day

>>214620204
So, would you rather choose no war but also life in Зaгpeб, Greater Serbia?

>>214620487
no, why does it have to be like this every time one or the other
im very proud what people like my father did, doesnt make it less depressing

>>214618844 (OP)
Very sad

>>214618844 (OP)
Without USA support why they don't just surrender? Will Europe be willing to finance their war alone?

>>214618987
What a fucking retarded people

>>214618844 (OP)
Don't think about stuff that makes your silly head hurt and instead focus on fucking hot girls chud

>>214619163
>If EU just *thing america would never allow it's vassal states to do and is hilariously expensive*

>>214625769
That's how army recruitment works in Russia/Ukraine?

>>214625816
yep

>>214625787
Tbh this the perfect time to move away from USA sphere of influence. Every move Dementia Don does ends up in ruin.
Now they need to focus on the India fiasco and in the inevitable stagflation to bother with EU.

At worst it'll be higher tariffs which are meaningless

>>214625888
Grim. I would kill them so hard if this happened to me

>>214618987
how is poland anti eu.

>>214618994
hey men are in power and they decided this

>>214625816
Just Ukraine, Russia isn't at that level yet.

>>214625888
>deliverydriverukraine
grim
uncivilized

>>214625816
In Ukraine
In Russia they do weird shit as well but they also have a lot of poor people whose only hope in life is to earn money in military
its hopeless situation and all people around me and the world pretends that we are doing enough but we really arent. I get called russophile for even questioning if we are doing enough. Most people are way too happy just saying fuck russia, put surface level sanctions and scream slava ukraini and get all the shit russians sold through third partners that get the things from russia...basically we finance this shit anyway

Ukrainians have it so fucking bad

>>214625769
>>214625888
These guys will be all hunted down after the war 100%
there is going to be a smaller civil war no matter what is the outcome. Their only chance will be to flee abroad but people angry enough will hunt them down even abroad

>>214625914
>move away from USA sphere of influence
the fact is that the rest of the world literally wants to murder us. No choice.

>>214626174
gud evening thank yu for bying Bharat oil saar

>>214625888
>>214625769
These thugs are the scum of the Earth, fuck Jewlenskyy and Putin.

>>214626230
that is not gonna happen unless there is some kind of pro-russian regime change
at max if something was done wrong they will apologize decades later and hold remembrance
this is how things went after civil war here after people were shot for fun

>>214618844 (OP)
"Tfw no gf" is much worse than anything war-related.
I experience both things and I don't think about war™ not even the slightest to the degree of which I think about my oneitis and female nature.

There's no pain in this world comparable to the one of connected with female scum.
Total
Women
Death

>>214626239
People here defend that shit way too proudly
>yeah well russia gets from it now!!
people now complain about Trump trying to stop it as well for some reason by sanctioning India

again. The whole world wants to kill Europe.

>>214625914
I think the EU is on a very dire and sensitive economic situation and they dont have real resources to pull up a much needed remilitarization. Which is why they are doing flips while walking over eggshells with russia to make america fund their defense

>>214626372
>people now complain about Trump trying to stop it as well for some reason by sanctioning India
All that did was drive India, China, and Russia closer. Imagine during the American invasion of Iraq Russia and China sanctioned EU countries for trading with America, do you really think that would have made the EU stop trading with America?

>>214626403
the EU is not united
the EU and its voters are bunch of luddites who want to to regulate everything
honestly the whole idea of EU doesnt even work

>>214626234
No one really cares about you.
That's just propaganda.

Actually if anything Europe still have some status left internationally

>>214626467
India, China and Russia have always been aligned
not understand this from the start is like not understanding Russia
they are all big countries who want to be free of white men and want nothing to do with western systems

>>214618987
Completely retarded post, as usual from a German flag.
For decades, the US was closer to our position on Russia than 99% of the EU, especially Merkel's and Schröder's Germany. And while Trump 2.0 changed that, within 5 years Germany, France and the UK (probably more) will be ruled by his exact copies as far right parties surge in polls. I wonder what cope you'll choose when AfD sign away the Baltics to Russia in exchange for 2 bcm of gas

>>214626467
Pretty much. Trump is so fucking retarded
>>214626686
India and China had very bad relations. Brics is a meme.

Actually Modi had a very closer relationship with the US before Dementia Don ruined everything

>>214625888
>>214625769

>>214626403
They could switch sides

>>214626685
nah
brazil aligns with north korea, russia, china and india
brazil is controlled by le global south revolutionaries who want to see the west burn

>>214626805
Literally too dumb to open a door

>>214626825
You need to get off internet

We basically just signed a deal in which we exchange beef for cars.
Our issue is with the USA

>>214626686
>India, China and Russia have always been aligned
5 years ago Indian-Chinese relations were abysmal, Indian and Chinese soldiers beat each other to death with clubs on their border. Trump acting like he brokered the ceasefire between India and Pakistan, and indulging Lindsey Graham's 5000% tariffs on anyone who so much as even looks at Russian oil, made India realise that they need to put aside their differences with China, that remaining neutral in the new cold war was not feasible.

>>214626805
kek

>>214626686
>India, China and Russia have always been aligned
5 years ago Indian-Chinese relations were abysmal, Indian and Chinese soldiers beat each other to death with clubs on their border. Trump acting like he brokered the ceasefire between India and Pakistan, and indulging Lindsey Graham's 5000% tariffs on anyone who so much as even looks at Russian oil, really pissed off the Indians and made them realise that they need to put aside their differences with China, that remaining neutral in the new cold war was not feasible.

>>214626929
How's the indian internet sphere behaving with these new movements?

>>214626994
I don't know, I'm not Infian, I just listen to geopolitics youtubers like the Duran and Sebastian Sas. Fun fact: Some of the most pro-US Indians were the Indian businessmen in the oil industry, they had been telling modi for years to have closer relations with America, but of course that all stopped now that Trump considers them war profiteers.

>>214625958
>>214626230
There were already several cases of mogilizers being killed in action, either "naturally" as the guy defended himself or by hitmen hired by Russia on telegram
Also some of their camps/officers were iskander'd and the reaction among Ukrainians was about similar to our reaction when Russia destroyed UPA museum in Lviv

>>214626994
I don't know, I'm not Indian, I just listen to geopolitics youtubers like the Duran and Sebastian Sas.

Some of the most pro-US Indians were the Indian businessmen in the oil industry, they had been telling modi for years to have closer relations with America, but of course that all stopped now that Trump considers them war profiteers.

>>214626902
you dont understand it
BRICS is not supposed to be EU or anything like that
its bunch of countries aligned against western order, against white men
the west is an alliance
aligned vs alliance
Russia, India, China and Brazil always had a different idea in mind

>>214626973
bla bla bla
and Ukraine and Poland hate each other!
again, not aligning with the US is choosing to basically align with Russia with extra steps
I know you in Amsterdam dont care and want to see white men dead and you will want to run down military bases for Palestine but not me

>>214626994
There's a FP interview with a former Indian top diplomat and TLDR is that Indians are shocked because the assumption half a year ago was that Trump and Modi were gonna continue their bromance and instead they were battered over nothing and Trump lashed out like an angsty teenager (paraphrasing obv)
https://archive.is/eu7jH

the end result of this shit is
1. The total genocide of Ukraine.
2. The absolute downfall of Europe, forever.
and I know for a fact that everyone around the world, in Europe as well voted for it or cheered while it was happening for their own reasons

>>214627263
>not aligning with the US is choosing to basically align with Russia with extra steps
You have a naive understanding of the world. India, China, Brazil, don't look at international relations as Team USA vs Team Russia, they look at international relations with the goal of maximising their interests and minimising their costs. Russia offered cheap oil and gas to India, India saw a business opportunity and accepted it. If America wants India to stop buying Russian oil it should offer a better deal.
>I know you in Amsterdam dont care and want to see white men dead
I don't. I wish the Russia-Ukraine war never happened, and I wish Russia and Ukraine would make peace now. I hate war.

>>214627509
>in Europe as well voted for it or cheered while it was happening for their own reasons
Funny how I can't tell if this is a pro or anti Russian post

>>214627548
I never said anything like that Mohammed. Learn English and Dutch.

>>214627185
>its bunch of countries aligned against western order, against white men
Nope. Brics isn't aligned at all

>>214627646
they cheered while believing their marvel stories
they cheered because they wanted things to fall down
different reasons

>>214627694
I'm not a Muslim, I'm a Brit on a vpn, English is my first language. Its not my fault your writing is incoherent and you're unable to properly express your ideas.

>>214627732
Brazil marches with North Korea, Russia, India and China against the "collective west"
you guys use the term collective precisely because you dont see yourself as aligned or allied but as independent powers blowing on the same coal. Against white people.

>>214626070
Germans and Poles are both humans, yet one of them were free to butcher the others just 80 years ago. Any more amazing insights, giga-brain?

>>214627751
there is 40% chance you are not white

>>214627749
Honestly if not for the economic repercussions this war would be one of the best things to happen to my country and nation in decades. I hope it lasts at least another 4 years exactly the way it is now

>>214627751
Which vpn do you britishers use these days

>>214627881
protonvpn
>>214627855
there's a 36% chance I fucked your mum last night

>>214627915
Paid I assume?

>>214627363
Damn

>>214627857
exactly
you will love every second of it as long as TV keeps running while shit burns down
i understand the sentiment from Poland, but ultimately this will be your downfall as well

>>214627915
if you
>hate west
>hope that ukrainians die
then there is a high change you are non-white who hopes to benefit from the adjustment of geopolitical poles in the new world free of white people

>>214627816
The "collective west" is just the USA
>you guys use the term collective
Do we?
Besides Russia is whiter than the USA so your point is moot

>>214628095
I think you misunderstood me.
I meant that East Slavs slaughtering each other is a generational dream come true for Poles. Both nations that we historically fought against suddenly at each other's throats, wiping out entire teenage generations, sending prime age women and skilled workers abroad, all while at least for a few years Russia was sanctioned and isolated by the West instead of cooperated with. We hit a jackpot, only a shame that we wasted 3 decades not developing our military industrial complex enough.

>>214628236
Russians are not white.
Again, Brazil marched on a red carpet of blood with people who want to kill Europe
the global south is unified against the western order and will never do value judgements on what it can do against Europe

>>214628141
>if you
>>hate west
>>hope that ukrainians die
I don't, I never said that. Here's a tip: you're having this conversation with me, an anon, and not whatever strawman you came up with in your head.
>>214628079
yeah, £8 per month.

>>214628292
I didnt misunderstand
You see Ukraine as your enemy. Its understandable but ultimately dangerous position but your nation can cope with the situation right now because you see bandera people dying and you getting Ukrainian migrants for the aging Poland

ultimately, lets think 20 years, this will hit hard though.

>>214628471
>ultimately, lets think 20 years, this will hit hard though.
What will happen in 20 years and why won't it happen if bandera people stop dying?

>>214628418
I know for a fact that you would pick up arms to fight n10 to not fix this shit
ultimately every single one of you is either living in la la la land or you want more of this

>>214628574
I dunno. Poland surely did better in the EU than outside of it.
This war will basically be the king maker what this will turn into. Poland might return to the world of 1930s.

Honestly I think there is a great chance Poland decides that Russia is better than Europe.

>>214628723
Now you're just blabbering with no sense. I feel like you took a shot of vodka after each reply and it hit you right before this post

>>214626070
That doesn't make it fair

>>214628842
okay let me but it like this
you see banderas, but you fail to see that its not about that. Its ultimately people who will ultimately align with west being nationalistic. Polish nationalists say awful shit as well, but ultimately they are force for good.

When Ukraine falls like Assads Syria and the so called Bandera people get slaugthered, do you think the resulting Ukraine will be better for you?

>>214629001
In my first post I said I hope it continues like this because I want the meatgrinder in Donbas to keep going without Ukraine collapsing. I still think we should be aiding Ukraine because without western support they will collapse faster and that's bad for us
Ukraine will most likely never join EU or NATO anyway so that's a moot point, for us it's good as long as they remain anti-Russian and don't go the way of Georgia. And if they do... well, then it's better if there are fewer of them

>>214629166
Ukraine who is not joining the EU is ultimately just a new Syria. Its setup already that way. Ukraine will fall. The red lines are drawn where nothing can change it anymore.
You will have Russia at your border x2 instead of just Belarus

Poles have lived in totalitarian systems and do not really see how great geopolitical and cultural wars change the same people who said something else before.
Ukraine will turn fast towards something that is actually dangerous and not just offending to you.

Getting off on this situation is basically hoping for Georgia situation

>>214629353
Do you see Ukraine joining the EU, rebuilding from the war and becoming a prosperous western country by 2035? Be honest
I think whats now happening is as good as it realistically gets from our POV, there will be no happy ending for hohols though

>>214629353
and by new Syria, I am comparing Zelensky to Assad. Zelensky was democratically elected, but for the non-western powers Zelensky is ultimately like what Assad represented for the west.

This war will will only end either in collapse of Ukraine or the defeat of Russia in Ukraine. Only one of these is possible, for the populance they think there is a peace option. There is not. Unless you want Russian aligned Ukraine.

>>214629496
>the defeat of Russia in Ukraine
Unfortunately short of deus ex machina suddenly collapsing Russia this is impossible and I think westerners are starting to realize it, the current plan is to postpone Ukrainian demise and prolong the current state of things as long as possible

>>214629482
I dont see it because I cannot see Ukraine not falling to Russia. Ukraine cannot survive Finlandization like Finland was able to because its identity is not as clear and independent.

For Poland, this will also result in some type of balkanization of Europe which will make Poland choose different destiny. Maybe removing itself from the west and seeking independet path, like Serbia. It will not bring you any good though.

Eastern Europe is very shaky politically and this is true for Poland as well. You still havent experienced your wave of eurosceptism, Romania got it and it will develop into something ugly.

>>214626070
get fucked, retard.

Someone explain to me what the thought process is that causes avoiding military service? I honestly don’t get it. Obviously, all being all full of piss and vinegar nationalism is retarded so I can see why someone wouldn’t just volunteer but the way I see it, you either think this is a just war or you don’t. If you do, then military service is obviously the right thing to do if you don’t, then I can understand why you might not want to but what exactly is so great about life in a war zone you’re desperately trying to avoid it. For me there came a point in my aging where I just realized my life isn’t all that sacred, that in the end, the only thing that counts is what I do with it. So why not just serve if that’s what everyone else is doing and expected of you? I sincerely don’t get it.

>>214629603
yeah well people wont want to do it but it will ultimately destroy Europe when Ukraine falls.
No good future for Europe and its because the population is dumb.

>>214618844 (OP)
>it does feel like completely different reality
because we manage to live in a peaceful Europe where even any enmity is mostly jokes

>>214626021
polish paradox. Farmers who are the biggest eu beneficiaries are the most anti eu group in country

>>214618844 (OP)
>What's really insane to me is that they can talk about it as a part of regular daily life, they can even joke about it.
Humans are adaptable. They get used to the circumstances after a while.

>>214629694
>>214629496
>>214629353
>>214629801
t. CEO of zigger
you have to go back

>>214625769
>>214625888
>>214626805
Please post more

>>214629863
care to explain to me how I am a zigger for feeling like shit because the ultimate result of all of this is a massive poleshift (not the Poland) that will fuck us over?

How do you see this conflict? Will Russia run away? Will they do just peace that will not make Ukrainians mad and blame the losing side (the Ukrainian politicians) for "causing" the war?

Do not fuck with me you retarded nigger. This is exactly what happened in Finland but was in the long run that effective because Finland had its own identity

>>214629834
i get that, after all people would even get used to life in nazi concentration camps or communist gulags

>>214630022
Saaaar
*Reddit space*
Please, explain Russia Big Bear no run away Russia stronk Ukraine weak Poland must be Serbia own destiny (being Russia's cocksleeve) Muh Ukraine politicians CAUSING the Special military operation TM
*reddit space*
Please don't call me a zigger, sir.
t. With all due respect Sasha the zigbot

>>214629808
I can understand farmers. They wont ever get back the things they lost when joining the EU from the EU beneficaries.
only national benefits help farmers adjust with their own realipoltikal situation, but joining the EU made a lot of small farmers in Finland stop immediatly. Was it for the best? I dunno. Was it necessary? I guess so. Cant have single market without this. Though Finland, who was very agriculture heavy country still in the 90s is still struggling with the idea of being a developed country. We never really had it in the bag.

>>214626021
Shitheads from villages. That's how.
A lot of dumbasses with xenophobic views and ruzzian propaganda in their heads. Take money from the EU by one hand and shit-talking on Germany by another.
Also, shittalking on ukies more aggressively recently. That's some new level of fucking dumbasses - escalate to another tragedy with zero battle experience of the pussy-army, cuck NATO and russian boots at the doorstep.

>>214630161
My point about comparing Poland to Serbia was more likely something like intermarium.
But anyway you choose to put your head in the sand and people like you fuck us over.
Also I literally put "causing" in quotes. I said this because this is what happened in Finland. Veterans were only allowed to talk without a shame after the Soviet Union fell and IT WAS NOT because we feared reactions. The root cause was always that, but people honestly hated veterans.

>>214626593
That too.
But even if you all were on board with remilitarizing the costs would be abysmal and cause a lot of anger among the populace, imply a not much wanted increase in the faculties the EU has over individual european governments and more likely to sell out your sovereignity to america in exchange of guns. Or do the same but in favour of russia

>>214626781
>I wonder what cope you'll choose when AfD sign away the Baltics to Russia in exchange for 2 bcm of gas
Here it is: "great, not my problem, now destroy Poland"

>>214630330
yeah
Finland will have next elections in few years and because of bad economical situation, the left wont agree with increased military spending. There is a chance that there will be a centrist government with social democrats who will silence all useful idiots, but right now all parties left of socdems have opposed every single policy against Russia

>>214619118
they pop in every now and again

>>214630325
Everyone on this board knows how you look like(forgive me for not having the picture of your face saved), and what your views on Russia and Ukraine are, you are simply a contrarian chuddie

>>214630406
and the fact that its happening here speaks volumes. The bigger European countries are gonna make 180 with everything.

it's just sad
i wish i could hug Ukrainian bros to give them little hope

>>214628375
The united states are 40% white being generous and theya re anyway ruled by a jewish oligarchy lol

>>214629798
>Why do you want to avoid getting blown up in a war that might be lost anyway

>>214630440
Wonder how lib retards who spent the past year going
>vgh we need le federated Europa because Trump le bad, let's cancel F-35 orders and buy everything from europe instead
will react when people like>>214630335 elect far right parties into power all over Europe who instantly drop defence spending to 0 and pledge eternal servitude to the Kremlin because retirees need their 15th pension increase

>>214626323
Who hurt you? Have you tried guys?

>>214630563
I only hate poland specifically

In my dream world Russia nukes you and the gets nukes in return

Then we can have peace and federalize with the rest of eastern Europe that doesn't demand 222222 trillion reparations after receiving unlimited help

>>214630563
Those are the current thing people who sadly form majority of populance. They dont have an ideology or actual ideas.

>>214630682
>Then we can have peace and federalize with the rest of eastern Europe
XD and they say germans have no sense of humour

>>214630563
>elect far right parties into power all over Europe who instantly drop defence spending to 0
the hecking neofascist far right Meloni didint do this and neither will the afd if they actualy get into power though.
Some things are beyond politics.

>>214630736
My ideas? Sovereign europe free of usaian subjugation, buying f-35 and saying fuck germany at every opportunity doesn't help with that

>>214630759
Maybe, but on the other hand Orban and Fico are effectively blocking everything related to Ukraine or Russia, from aid packages and sanctions to rearmament programs (sometimes the veto is dropped in exchange for more gibs)

>>214630827
usa is our only hope

>>214630759
Meloni was never far-right

>>214630891
Not with the current admin
Honestly with the exception of Nordic-Baltic8 we're on our own

>>214629937
https://t.me/uhylaynt

>>214630827
The fact is that Europe has no will for it. No country ultimately. We still consume Russian oil and will phase out in 2028...but then we will just buy it from someone else and pretend we phased it out.

>>214630920
Trump has just said to Nawrocki that Poland is safe, so it is safe.
Has Trump ever broken his promise?

>>214630938
why not just apply for a job in TCK? then you're safe from mobilization

itt future draft dodgers

>>214631042
they don't have too much vacant job offers

>>214626230
>These guys will be all hunted down after the war 100%
I hope Azov and others will hunt down every draft dodger 100%. Especially the scum here in Poland.

>>214631089
Azov and AFU war veterans are not against that and openly support it. And i can understand this as they are ones putting lifes in danger, while others try their best to hide from draft. There is no right and wrong in this cituation, as both sides have valid points. Ordinary people just want to live their lives, while soilders at front lines for 4th year straight without end at horizon.

>>214630891
USA will collapse economically within like, a year

>>214631330
then there will be no hope left

>>214631330
yeah well if that happens then the entire world is also fucked

>>214631044
yхилянт
>>214631226
зйoбoк

>>214631383
maybe it is

>>214619118
RU and UA flags left 5 posts combined itt lmao
Are they dead, emigrated or using proxies?

>>214631042
I've seen on some news like half a year ago or so, that the guys returning from war who were injured and overall will take the jobs in TCK, while the current guys from TCK will be send to the real deeds in the army.

>>214631386
>tf
>tp

>>214631226
Poo and pee. A lot of azov members are ex-ultras or football hooligans. Bunch of morons, but gladly found themselves in anti-russia war.

>>214628292
Anon, you are talking to a Russian that fled to Finland

>>214619325
Nobody is going to torture you to go to the frontline lmao. What are they gonna do, break your legs and then wait for a year so they heal up and you can finally join the fight?

>>214632086
may I remind you that Czechia proofs my point really well? Your opposition is full of these people

>>214632127
>Nobody is going to torture you to go to the frontline lmao
Yes, they will.

>What are they gonna do, break your legs
Yes.

>and then wait for a year so they heal up and you can finally join the fight?
No. Just send you in the fight with broken legs.

What a great example of european sweet summer child. Did you sucked ur momma's breast today? How is your nintendo?

>>214632127
Put in the basement with no water and food. Or simply shot you dead.

>>214632134
What I want is for your people to get out of my country. If you can't respect the local culture than you should get the fuck back to your shithole

>>214630682
if Russians ever plow over this country they'll obviously go for Germany next

>>214632311
Why are you talking down to a Finn while your country is having an identity crisis with Russia?

>>214632358
>Finn
drop the act

>>214627839
Yea, I'm sorry about that

>>214632311
Local culture like pic related? No, I kinda respect that. Keep going, buddy.

>>214632455
just sayin
my country isnt close to becoming another Slovakia/Hungary

>>214631330
If US collapses so will the EU

>>214618844 (OP)
It's not like that here
If I didn't read the war-related tg-channels I wouldn't even notice there's war going on.
The only thing that changed is my old friend who's serving on the frontlines since 2022 but tbf I'm kind of proud and happy for him since he was jobless loser who smoked weed and drink alcohol all years long and now he gets money, hopes for the future, and brings profits tonour country

>>214632305
Maybe in Russia shit like that happens, but not in civilised countries. There is simply no reason to shoot men who refuse military service. If you do that you're just depriving yourself of labour force

russian and ukrainian men should make love not war

>>214632275
You can share your insights with your friends at the construction site tomorrow. I don't care about the opinion of illiterate peasants

>>214632786
Yeah, sure mate. On Ukrainians side there are ponies, rainbow and butterflies.

>>214632976
I said civilised countries, Ukraine is obviously just Russia lite,so I don't put it past them to make retarded decisions

>>214632775
What do you do for work?

>>214632738
why

>>214633127
Well, my bad. You just mentioned only Russia from my post, so I assumed you was some zainichi.

>>214632775
Give any info you get from him to the SBU

>>214632829
Wow, look at that tough guy! I bet you've just finished bowser, right? Isn't it too late for you anyway? Did you do your homework? Don't drink too much, you'll piss your panties again. Mommy will be saaaad.

>>214633545
financial crisis that shook the US shook Europe with equal force
countries dont just fall and nothing happens to others

>>214633626
Nah. I supported hohols at the beginning of war (friend got mobilized in September 22), but literally a year after I was the biggest zigger one can ever meet. I didn't even hate hohols before, but they still made me despise them at the end, great talent indeed

>>214618844 (OP)
>they can even joke about it.
Humor is a pretty normal coping mechanism. Even the guys who are fighting are probably throwing jokes around about their own shitty situation, that's just how we humans are.

>>214626230
they should but nothing will happen. nothing ever happens.

>>214633756
define support

>>214633545
Because our economies are too tied together for it to not impact us.

>>214632344
this country is just a large pension home and finished anyways

>>214633636
u made me cringe

Jews learned how to subvert from Russians and it shows.

> them poor fascists ukranians

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

>>214633756
>Russo-fascist pretends to ever have been on the good side
Your song and dance should be clear and transparent to all by now. You are a worthless liar

>>214626230
>will be
Your shitskin so called hungarian squatters in ukraine are getting drafted as we speak, magyar (lol) shut down hungarian imports of russian oil and you're posting your murder fantasies on what "will" happen years from now kek

>>214633756
almost certainly fake

>>214618844 (OP)
I have a hunch that once this war ends, the birthrate in Ukraine will skyrocket as they will have learned the true value of life

>>214634292
it will at max just bounce back to normal levels and bit above to correct the births that would've happened it it werent for the war
I sincerely doubt its gonna skyrocket
if it will then I guess Russia has their own Palestine next door now

>>214633838
I've sent them few hundred bucks in crypto
Could easily get me into the prison here for treason

But I regret about it a lot, hohols are mostly scum

>>214634054
You are next

>>214634532
so what changed then?

>>214634292
Zelensky already said that even when war ends borders won't be open "instantly" lol because country need to be rebuilt and transition to peaceful life

I can't comprehend how one can be so totalitarian and speaking about liberty and freedom at the same time

>>214634292

Fate of hohols is to perish

The most pragmatic ones will asimilate unto russia culture

All these countries (balts, belorrusia, ukraine) were artificially propped up by lenin's erronous policies

The fate of small nations is to be absorbed by greater nations

>>214631330
>two more weeks

>>214618844 (OP)
Of course they can talk about it like it's every day life because that's what it is.
Humanity has a habit of being like that. The normal, however horrible, eventually is just that.

>>214634567
1. Ukrainian authorities proved more corrupted and authoritarian than russian.

When someone drops from the window in Russia western media immediately starts claiming it's an assassination lol, and make drama out of everything. In Ukraine literally every opposition was either killed or expelled from the country and Western niggers pretend it didn't happen.

2. Bandera niggers don't even respect their ancestors who died in WW2, Afghanistan and immediately forgot all their real history because it doesn't match with current policy of the manlet.

3. Syrskyi literally has all his family in Moscow, Arestovich is the same (he's expelled from country despite being the most famous pro-ukrainian fighter at the beginning of war)

4. Ukraine is multiethnic country (I'm Bessarabian Bulgarian from Ukraine myself) but still is allowed to repress other languages and cultures

I can go on infinetely, idk it's not something particular but more like cumulative effect from negative emotions from what Ukraine is.

>>214634578
>All these countries (balts, belorrusia, ukraine) were artificially propped up by lenin's erronous policies
Least retarded russofascist from the Americas

>>214634987
Posts like these really make you question whether Russians can be considered human. This isn't some fringe person, nearly all of them are like this. It is hard to believe until you see the proof for it over and over again

>>214635049
>russofascist

Nah i am communist

Lenin was too inspired by the narodniks

A correct proletariat policy would have been forceful sovietization and russofication of baltic, ukraine and central asia, all those petty reactionary countries that would later act as spearheads against the proletariat state

>>214619280
this is a tranny poster with the german flag. dont listen to him pole bros

>>214635049
>Posts like these really make you question whether Russians can be considered human. This isn't some fringe person, nearly all of them are like this. It is hard to believe until you see the proof for it over and over again
Why are you angry just at Russians? All of that the anon wrote is truth. You can check it up by yourself.

>>214634987
oh so they just fell from the window right...
the fact that Ukraine who is battling for its survival is more democratic and free than Russia ever has been speaks volumes

>>214635177
are russian flags all vpns ?

>>214635206
What do you mean by that? I don't understand your point.

>>214635206
Putin doesnt want them to use 4chan
Russians have this funny thing like the Chinese were they love their government but do everything in their personal life to go against it

>>214635151
>Nah i am communist
No, you are a russofascist like Stalin.
>russofication of baltic
They would've if they could've. Instead, they lost and had to prepare for another 20 years to retry, breaking their earlier promises in a typical Russian fashion.

You talk about things you have zero ideas of. To you, the history of the USSR is no different from the history of Ancient Rome. You live in a godforsaken desert where insane cartel members run rampant, worry about that, do not bother your head with things you don't understand.

>>214635049
We will get you, your pathetic chihuahua behaviour won't be left unpunished

But first you'll be properly beaten by your drafters lol

>>214635270
>russofascist like Stalin.
a georgian?

>>214635151
You are one step away from admitting that Strasser should have won and genocided every non-German, retard. If you start talking about inferiority of this or that culture the pisspoor and incompetent Russians won't be the culture that ends up being worthy of lording over anybody else

>>214635177
I can fully acknowledge corruption in Ukraine and at the same time hate Russia for this pointless war where they commit numerous genocidal actions. The bombings of apartment buildings are so common, it's like they're a daily thing, and then the russofascist will come talk about Ukrainian corruption. So what? How is the family of four that you just murdered involved in that? There is no sense in whatever rationalizations Russians have, only cynicism.

I do not understand how people like Russians exist. There is no humanity, only empty cruelty. If a satanic ethnicity exists, it's Russians

>>214635181
>Ukraine who is battling for its survival

It's not, it's Bandera elites
And they're afraid, this is why they killed or expelled any threat, this is why the population afraid to say anything when you can be labelled as "russian spy" and be killed, this is why they don't have clear vision of future. They just serve their western masters, they don't care about Ukraine if it's not in their control

>>214635397
Putin was not democratically elected
Zelensky was
And lots of these oppressed Russian speakers fought against Russian invasion whose goal is genocide of Ukraine and Europe for the global south

>>214634987
>When someone drops from the window in Russia western media immediately starts claiming it's an assassination lol,
how does someone drop from a window otherwise? slipped on banana peel?

>>214635383
Imagine being a Russian in some Siberian village where you he tries to get his life together on the minimal village. He sees that his government does shit deeds and send some support messages or even money in crypto to Ukrainians, despite his dire situation, because he feels bad about them.
What he gets in return? Instant hate. The Ukrainians on the internet wish him cruel death, something like every Russian should be hanged, even if he supports Ukraine he doesn't kiss their boots well enough and doesn't send their support enough. After that this Russian start to look at the situation as the whole, he looks up at the many info sources and sees that Ukraine is not better than Russia, but worse, with worse corruption with worse treating of citizens and all. Why should he support it from now on, seeing that their government just captures people on the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder, while many people in the government feast on grants and all. He just wants for this conflict to be over in one way to another, and he doesn't want to sympathise too much to people who ish him death, just because he's Russian.

>>214635482
All elections past 2014 in Ukraine didn't make sense because interests of the half of the country weren't represented.

Also Zelensky won on promises to allow russian language but didn't do anything

>>214635354
Yes? Stalin was in fact more harsh on Georgia than other republics to prove his loyalty to Russofascism.

Quoting Stalin:
> I should like to propose a toast to the health of our Soviet people, and in the first place, the Russian people. (Loud and prolonged applause and shouts of “Hurrah.”)
>I drink in the first place to the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations forming the Soviet Union.
>I propose a toast to the health of the Russian people because it has won in this war universal recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
>I propose a toast to the health of the Russian people not only because it is the leading people, but also because it possesses a clear mind, a staunch character, and patience.

Note this:
No other Russian leader has served the cause of russofascism more than Stalin. No other Russian leader has exterminated and deported more minorities than him, it is not even a competition.

Lenin accurately called Stalin a "vulgar Great-Russian bully".
Lenin on the Georgian affair:
>The political responsibility for all this truly Great-Russian nationalist campaign must, of course, be laid on Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.

>>214635609
the question is deeper than what Siberians or Ukrainians think, it's about the concept of an individual soul, a person, a human being. This is what nobility told us.

>>214635609
yeah as I thought
it was just initial reaction and then you wanted to basically pay indulgences and you demanded that your life would not directly be harmed
you wanted to cherrypick basically

>>214635246
i literally meant what i wrote. are you a vpn or really in russia rn. it was a question

>>214635692
Unironically the post I posted before it's all about the current view of many people in this country. Even many left-liberal changed their views in two years after this shit started, because they face hate towards them everywhere on the outer internet. Even if they tried to support Ukraine.

>>214635609
did the kindly older russian gentleman happen to send 0.6 ruble to the ukranians with the message in the style of "greetings old soviet comrades, liberate yourself from the tyrant zelensky and please drop your arms and don't force us to kill you"? i am asking this because russians often seem to live in a parallel dimension to ours where black is white and in heaven the angels are red and hold pitchforks.

>>214635609
It cannot be helped. It is hard to trust Russians if even the known oppositionists, of course including the late Navalny and his living widow, are seemingly only concerned with the corruption in Russia, not the actions it takes against foreign countries

>>214635742
I'm Russian. 4chan is blocked here by ISPs, but it still depends on the ISP. Some anons post without blocks. I use DPI-bypassing tools to post here.

>>214635618
so Zelensky in your mind broke a promise and this is why you are killing civilians and doing war crimes and genocide?

>>214635731
Who "you"?
I haven't replied to your posts in this thread. There are multiple Russian anons in this thread.

>>214635383
>The bombings of apartment buildings are so common, it's like they're a daily thing,

Lol. Of course

>>214635849
Some more
This is why I unironically don't believe in Bucha and etc

All dead people could be easily Ukrainian citizens who collaborate with russian troops and executed for this

Same like if u refuse to evacuate from eastern ukraine banderaniggers could kill you because they think you're russoloyalist

>What's really insane to me is that they can talk about it as a part of regular daily life, they can even joke about it
As opposed to?

Also I’m glad we’re part of nato and thus untouchable to ziggers meaning we won’t have to experience this.

>>214635783
>this is why you are killing civilians and doing war crimes and genocide?

Fake news

>>214635782
ok thanks thats what i wanted to know. can you get in trouble if caught and how likely is it that they get you ?

>>214635835
that indeed is the general way Russians have formed their opinion. The ones who initially reacted supportively stopped supporting because they saw that they just cannot make something dissapear with empty gestures like that. They live in a country that is doing the same as Hitler tried to do to Poland but this time for Ukrainians. They victimized themselves that people have hard time giving the benefit of doubt especially in internet for Russians who still live in Russia.

did russia exterminate donbabwe and luganda yet? it feels like it was years ago you saw those 57 year old conscripts with ww1 rifles and tinpot helmets being shipped into the front lines

>>214635999
and they victimize themselves that they lose stuff in the world. They cannot think that maybe you arent the victim in this scenario
A father who hits his child can feel like shit afterwards and try to apologize. He doesnt have the right to demand sympathy from the child how ever

>>214636033
Luhansk is gone
Donetsk is still at least year away if not more unless there is a front collapse
Its slow chipping with the same heavy losses

>>214636033
Donbabwe and luganda? Last I checked, your country is the one that’s babwian and gandan

>>214635983
>can you get in trouble if caught and how likely is it that they get you ?
Right now they probably can detect that some people use DPI-bypassing tools, but cannot do anything more than developing countermeasures.

>>214636062
Yes, anon. Siberian mine worker is directly responsible for every killed person in that meatgrinder. Good thought.

>>214630161
we have sold 800 milion worth of ammunition to ukraine that killed 1000s of russian soldiers. Just because we dont lick NATO cocks after you bombed us doesnt mean we arent an
indenpendent nation

>>214636062
And it's not like he requires sympathy for him. It's about why he should sympathies them, while he has much more major struggles in his own life?

>>214636158
you literally are not an independent nation, heck you even ceased to be a nation but became a private state led by a dictator

>>214636271
whatever bro. Atleast the key person deciding is a serbian man. He is indenpendent of all foreign powers.

>>214636244
if you really cared, you would not get mad at Ukrainians cursing at you
the fact is that it was always shallow fake support

I will never understand why we blindly supported a Slavic nationalist shithole who committed atrocities against their own citizens (even if they were of a different ethnic background), I just hope our leaders realize that kissing the ass of Americans who are now isolationists is no longer feasible.

>>214636154
siberian mine worker always happens to be a russian jingoist who refuses to accept that his government is evil and makes everything about how hard it is for him

>>214618844 (OP)
This is just you feigning care just so you can try and separate yourself from Ukraine and its poor, constantly suffering image. You don't mean any of it.

>>214636357
I'll tell you, majority of the people clearly see every thing that our government is doing wrong and always blame the government.
You're just blindfolded.
>>214636331
That's why he should place a life of every Ukrainian who follows stupid orders of extermination from the government instead of placing his own life on the first place?
That miner just tired and wants to live his life from now, knowing that the both governments from the both sides are shit.

>>214618844 (OP)
I have my own problems to think of I don't care about some ex soviet country getting invaded

>>214632775
>The only thing that changed is my old friend who's serving on the frontlines since 2022
That's grim, imagine being at war for three years. If he was drinking before, I can't imagine that all the time spent facing bullets, shells and drones is going to make his habit any better.

>>214636352
Italians demanded EU loans though
one might ask the same question as well

>>214625888
Barbaric, how can you see something like that and still be pro-Ukrainian? I mean, I wish them that the war ends, but between this and what they did in Donbass..

>>214636445
I'm going to sleep btw. No more replies from me, unfortunately. I'll read tomorrow what more you will leave here.

>>214636445
I never said he should risk his life
You talked about not supporting Ukraine and turning 180 degrees on that

>>214636500
vpn off, ivan

>>214636479
Whataboutism

>>214636445
>I'll tell you, majority of the people clearly see every thing that our government is doing wrong and always blame the government.
>You're just blindfolded.
russians are much like americans where it ultimately always centers on themselves. americans don't really care that millions of civilians died in their middle eastern wars and that countries were permanently ruined, it drained the US finances and some american soldiers died. similarly russians may know that the government is extremely corrupt and authoritarian, but it's bad because it makes russia worse, that foreigners are bombed, shot or poisoned is irrelevant.

>>214636551
no, but really. Why should a Finnish person pay Italy? Find the right words.

>>214636500
Most of the Ukies that comitted shit are probably already did from the first two years of the fighting. Now it's just a bunch of people who had nothing to do with your silly Russian propaganda being forced to kill and die to sate or fight off imperialist ambitions.

>>214636577
you are absolutely right, kick us out of the eu

>>214636590
already dead*

>>214636600
so Italians were wrong for asking for loans and solidarity from Europeans?

>>214619163
>balkanzee
noted

>>214636616
in my opinion, yes. I want Italy to leave the eu.

>>214618844 (OP)
I had a similar thought today or yesterday.
Like, it's so crazy that people are worrying about such trivial things in their day-to-day life and the internet on countries that aren't on war, while some people are just in their homes living in terror and praying that a missile don't fall on their heads.

I will happily surrender and sign up to Russian armed forces if they promise me I will be able to slaughter germans

>>214636704
I wouldn't call it trivial. The normal is the normal no matter what it functionally is. Our minds adapt.
A sheltered firstie having a breakup is probably just as painful to them than some brutalized thirdie getting his shit kicked in and robbed. All relative to their respective norms.

War is always terrible and I wish Ukraine a bright future, but the narrative that has been made of the conflict in western europe is criminal. We are literally useful idiots advancing American interests.

>>214636722
hans surrendered and signed up to the russian armed forces because they promised him he'd be able to slaughter french
pierre surrendered because he was promised to slaughter brits
nigel surrendered because he was promised to slaughter americans
hunter surrendered because he was promised to slaughter mexicans

>>214636801
explain

>>214636801
Ironically it is the EU wanting to continue Ukraine resistance at this point not America.

>>214636886
he just wants Italy to align with global south or something

>>214636801
And how is just rolling over for imperialist ambitions of some oligarch ran dictatorship any better?
Please explain to me why Russia is somehow int he right even when they were the ones violating treaties that maintained the peace. You may not believe me but I'm genuinely open to hearing why they are innocent. I just have a hard time believing the person who started a conflict is in the right.

>>214636860
based.
french, britons, germans, americans and mexicans are gone and russia gets their multipolar world

everyone gets what they wanted

>>214636886
Russia (a nuclear superpower) has been surrounded by NATO and the Ukrainians have committed atrocities against ethnic Russian citizens, unprovoked aggression my ass

>>214636982
you're still trying this narrative ivan? nobody outside russia believes this shit lol

>>214636961
here is what he is gonna say
coup deta of elected president
justified resistance of russian populations that ukraine answered violently
ukraine starting to push ukrainian language and stopping the support for russian language

let us all ignore that president was ousted through parliament and that the protests became separatist and that a lot of neighboring countries to russia has done similar laws as ukraine with their own russian populations and russia hasnt given a damn because its not about that

>>214636961
they are not innocent, no one is innocent in this story. But they were surrounded by NATO and in Donbass the Ukrainian nationalists persecuted them. Ukraine is also a very corrupt country, it is governed by an elite of oligarchs who serve only and exclusively their interests, not much different from Russia.

>>214636982
what atrocities? you mean low level warfare against the occupied eastern ukraine which was annexed in 2014 and was still attacking ukraine?

>surrounded by NATO
oy vey why do they persecute me so

the reason everyone that touches russia wants to be in NATO is exactly because it is a warring shithole that thinks it owns everything not because russia is poor bullied country

>>214637148
Okay, so here's my two major gripes. Well three really but the first two can be sort of lumped together.
1. Russia is the one who started it. Sure you can claim they were justified etc etc, but with the wide media and diplomatic reach they used to have I find it hard to believe they exhausted their non-military options.
2. Russia is the one that broke the Budapest memorandum. That was what kept the peace in that part of the world. It's why Finland, which historically played mediator rushed to join NATO. Russia sent the message that treaties don't mean shit to them.
3. NATO expands of the will of those in said country. Unless you argue about 'muh color revolution'. In which case I'd like to point out how those would constantly fail when the US or when Russia attempted them. Likely both of which were tried in Ukraine as it became a propaganda hotspot for a while I'd imagine. Regardless the propping up of a strongman was always what color revolutions ended in, and many of those were simply overthrown or became ineffectual soon after taking power. So with color-revolutions being a non-sequeter, why is Russia legitimized in their aggression by other countries willingly joining a defensive pact?

>>214637267
>nato
>defensive pact
Anon, I...
>why is Russia legitimized in their aggression
they aren't, not my point.

>>214636763
Here's chatgpt response: “Yeah, pain is relative and everyone feels their problems deeply, but not all problems are equal in stakes. A breakup can feel devastating, but it doesn’t put your life, safety, or future in danger the way war or violence does. Both are real, but one is objectively heavier.”

>>214637326
Okay, so then lets just ignore the NATO bit and focus on another matter.
Why do you think giving an aggressor nation what they want would be pro-peace? Do you think it somehow doesn't incentivize them and other like-minded world leaders to use war as a means to gain their desires now that it's made clear the consequences are so small?

>>214637326
nato functions as a defensive pact near russia. is the 10k nuke country supposed to fear force concentration near the border like it's the 19th century?

>>214637349
Objectively yes, but I waasn't talking about objectivity, I was talking about the relative norm. That's subjectivity. And when dealing with emotions it's subjectivity that matters.
Go ahead and have gpt respond again if you want.

>>214637326
NATO is literally a defensive pact you dumb zigger.

>>214625816
not a single one of those Bang Van videos comes from Russia

>>214637326
unlike warsaw pact, nato never forces people to join or stay in it

dont give the retarded zigger (You)s

>>214637387
No you see a few NATO countries have gotten together several times and did offensive shit so the entire pact is no longer defensive o algo.

>>214637354
>Why do you think giving an aggressor nation what they want would be pro-peace?
I'm just saying that the narrative in Western Europe has been biased because we serve the interests of the Americans, we are brainwashed like that. It is not in my country's best interest to antagonize a trading partner like Russia.

>>214637387
on paper

>>214637374
“True, emotions are subjective, and from the inside they always feel absolute. But the tricky part is that subjectivity doesn’t exist in a vacuum. The context around an emotion (the stakes, the risks, the consequences) shapes how we interpret and weigh it.

A breakup might feel like the end of the world to someone sheltered, but it’s still happening within a framework of safety and stability. Fear of missiles or violence comes with layers of trauma and existential risk that add to the subjective pain — it’s not just a different “norm,” it’s a different category of suffering altogether.

So yeah, subjectivity matters, but pretending it floats free from objective reality flattens out real differences in human experience.”

>>214637493
Not in your SHORT TERM interests.
And even that's arguable as if the world sees more war it will destabalize the economy no matter where you live.
I'm not a fan of the idea, but you have to at least admit that giving aggressor nations what they want will only incentivize them and other like-minded governments.

>>214637538
Well I wasn't trying to belittle or flatten our experiences. Simply seeking to explain how a person in Ukraine can discuss such matters as missile strikes as candidly and matter-of-fact as a person in a safer area may talk about the weather.

>>214637574
“Yeah, I get that — people normalize whatever reality they’re stuck in, so war talk can sound like small talk. That’s a powerful point. I just think the key difference is: even if they sound casual about it, the stakes of what they’re living through are still way heavier than someone stressing over first-world problems. Both are real, but not on the same scale.”

>>214625769
it was kind of them to bring the bike with him