Thread 214627525

No more (((green))) energy.

If only we could store that energy and release it at a later time, hopefully we'll see such a futuristic invention in our lifetime

>>214627581
>storing energy when not needed, releasing energy when needed

What sort of fantasy land do you live in? Is this some year 3000 sci-fi space alien tech? This doesn't exist, otherwise, top scientists (Americans) would've let us know about this already.

There are plenty of actual good arguments against green energy, but the "HURR DURR THERE'S NO SUN OUT AT NIGHT" is so god damn retarded. Why aren't they actually making the good arguments? Are they just pandering to an idiotic voter base?

>>214627699
They would never, the average American is a giga-brain who would never be led astray by propaganda

>>214627699

They’re pandering to lobbying corporations like ExxonMobil, Chevron and Occidental Petroleum.

>>214627699
no argument is good enough to say that countries shouldn't use green energy
these retards only need to say renewables bad because they govern a country of single digit iq retards so they don't even have to try

Total Environmentalist Death

>>214627699
>>214627758
There's no propaganda. The US Energy Secretary is an MIT graduate, one of the top engineering schools in the world. What they don't tell you is that solar energy is a scam. You can cover the entire earth in solar panels and it wouldn't even cover 20% of our daily need.

>>214627699
If Trump went on TV and said he eats his own shit once a week to boost his immunity system then 100 million American would start eating their own shit.

>>214627802
I would think that those companies would be as interested in the gubment making good arguments there as well. I mean, we're a massive petrostate and our country is basically one, enormous oil lobby, and here the biggest investor into sustainable energy is the oil companies.

>>214627525 (OP)
whyd you crop reader added context "sven"

>>214627897

Business idea: we should start farming Indians like in the matrix to provide energy.

>>214627885
i mean thered be some point to it he is almkst 90 right

>>214627938
Kek.
The smell would be too horrendous though.
Imagine millions of indians just stewing in their own tubs. So basically it would be just a giant indian street food market.

>>214627874
sudaca moment

>>214627699
It is a very real concern. Anything else other than nuclear is cope (unless you get infinite rivers to dam or something like that)

>>214627910
He's correct. Solar+wind energy only ADDS to the electricity prices. Countries who have a lot of solar and wind power have high elecricity prices.

>>214628035
if we feed them nutrient paste theyll smell less

>>214627525 (OP)
this american down to earthness is why america is GROWING while europa is FALLING BEHIND

>>214628077
is that what this titty monster actually believes

You guys don't know the half of it
My country imports 99% of its oil consumption, 85% for gas and is also a net coal importer and yet half the people here actively shill against renewables and in favour of fossil fuels

>>214628055
No, the real concern is average output, not the "HURR DURR WHAT WHEN THERE ISN'T ANY SUN OUT". There are cases for solar and wind too (I mean denmark and the netherlands pull it off), but you need to balance your infrastructure. There is no one size fits all solution (except nuclear, which really is that, but it requires a real investment into expensive infrastructure and thus usually nationalised ownership or at least subsidies, no private energy startup company can afford it).

>do nothing
>win

>>214628077
>that hanging body fat

Did she think this was a good idea? Why didn't she just stand up straight?

>>214627525 (OP)
Show us the Twitter context box below OP

>>214628181
>not the "HURR DURR WHAT WHEN THERE ISN'T ANY SUN OUT".
>In the renewable energy sector, a dunkelflaute (German: [ˈdʊŋkəlˌflaʊtə] , lit.'dark doldrums' or 'dark wind lull', plural dunkelflauten)[1] is a period of time in which little or no energy can be generated with wind and solar power, because there is neither wind nor sunlight.[2][3][4] In meteorology, this is known as anticyclonic gloom.[5]
Then why there is a German word for it?

>>214628374
That's unfair. Germans literally have a word for everything. I bet you there's even a german word for "girl who looks pretty at a distance but when you get up close she's ugly".

>>214628181
>except nuclear, which really is that
You basically need multiple energy options to help reinforce each other. You can't go solely Nuclear because many other energy consuming industries and tranaport require other sources or fossil fuels.

>no private energy startup company can afford it
Private companies can, its just that it takes literal years to start getting the money. Easy for a government to do where the delay in profit isn't a setback, harder for shareholders.

>>214628374
kek

>>214628434
indeed, it's
>deine Mutter

>>214628077
yeah this landwhale's growing alright

>>214628465
kek

>>214628059
>Solar+wind energy only ADDS to the electricity prices.
Not exactly. It actually makes energy so cheap it's hard to charge people for it.
>Countries who have a lot of solar and wind power have high elecricity prices.
Any market that has high energy prices is due to pricing mechanisms or having a big ass energy market that impacts it.

>>214628055
>Anything else other than nuclear is cope.
Do people just regurgitate lobbyist talking points?

>>214628374
kek bodied that fucking freak

>>214628374
>German word for thing was actually useful
Germans... I apologize for everything I said about you.

>>214628181
You'd need to scale down population tremendously for nuclear or green energy to be sustainable, at least compared to fossil fuels. The US used to push nuclear, but it required Uranium to be enriched before it was usable. Most of the money that went into nuclear was put into the process of mining and enriching, the output of the actual plants was almost entirely inconsequential compared to the cost of processing fissile material. Maybe if there was some eugenics program to go alongside green energy or nuclear it would work if population is controlled, but nuclear is particularly obnoxious because you need people to mine the Uranium to begin with. Even China imports most of its energy, particularly from Russia and they're supposedly the biggest manufacturer of solar panels.

>>214628524
>>Solar+wind energy only ADDS to the electricity prices.
>Not exactly. It actually makes energy so cheap it's hard to charge people for it.

Then why would the US Secretary of Energy, an MIT educated man, say the OPPOSITE?

>>214628738
Cause the oil companies wants to add another couple of zeroes onto their government handouts.

>>214627866
>no argument is good enough to say that countries shouldn't use green energy
How about that it doesn't exist? Besides nuclear ofc

>>214628627
>You'd need to scale down population tremendously for nuclear or green energy to be sustainable,
You should tell this to china.

>>214628227
I'm getting kinda hopeful for China desu, democracy clearly doesn't work with our current population intelligence.

>>214628627
>You'd need to scale down population tremendously for nuclear or green energy to be sustainable, at least compared to fossil fuels
>at least compared to fossil fuels
I missed the start and was actually about to respond seriously to you

>>214627699
you have to build massive battery farms to make the power usable

>>214627525 (OP)
You hate wind because it's literally tall White monuments enslaving the wild for civilization.
You hate solar because it uses bluish light receptors (literally the Aryan eye) to power society.

You like fossil fuels because you either love being on the ground sucking up black fluids or you're a dusty basement dwelling digger.

>>214629423
Or, you know, like reasonable people do, use solar by day and then have alternative power for when people are usually asleep and you just need to be able to provide a minimum.

>>214629474
umm chud, my factorio base doesn't power down at night

>>214629456
this 100%

>>214627699
Any honest criticism against green energy could be used against other sources too. Like, green energy requires too many subsidies, but so does oil. Since the whole discussion is too shallow and it would take too much time for them to explain that a solar panel and the lithium battery are cheap because we take like 250 dollars/year from each American to make them cheap while gas in the pump and your combustion engine only require us to take 100 dollars/year, but you also need to consider this is an old tech with more than a century of know-how and betting on green energy is still a bet... you know? Anyway, fuck it. Just nod and ignore.

>>214629994
This is my point, I hate that people don't care about nuance anymore.

>>214628524
What other source has no emissions and can provide a stable and constant base load?

>>214627525 (OP)
do usanians really?

>>214629994
I never understood the subsidies point either.
Everything related to power generation, transmission and distributions gets subsidised in one form or another.

Nuclear is the only good clean energy. Don't (You) me

>>214630385
If nuclear is so good, then how come you haven't built a nuclear plant that wasn't expansion units in 50+ years?

Reminder that nuclear is by far superior to any other source and the only reason we dont have near free energy thanks to it is propaganda to keep us stuck on fossil fuels, while "green" energy is just a band aid.

>>214627882
>What they don't tell you is that solar energy is a scam.
Damn, someone should tell Xi.

>>214630061
You can't allow people to see the other side of an argument or the whole thing falls apart.
The whole thing is about pretending those in power know what they're doing or it doesn't matter because they're going to do it anyway. If you give the average guy the whole story, he's going to find out they don't know because they can't predict the future, he's also going to find out those in power make mistakes too.

Why does America love burning BBC (big beautiful coal) so much?

>>214627525 (OP)
I enjoy their CANDU attitude. I am enriched by their devotion to fossil fuels.

>>214630835
>No powah fo you in wintah! - Xinnie the Pooh.

>>214630835
China is about to collapse, there's no point telling him. They should have invested more heavily in bloated middle-management and podcasts.

>>214631144
>China is about to collapse

>>214630443
The same reason the Allen isn't a 400 series highway that reaches the Gardiner, or that there aren't more airports or power plants of any variety in the greater Toronto area.
>Not
>In
>My
>Back
>Yard

>>214627699
Renewables are really "rebuildables". Batteries don't last forever and need replacing constantly, same with solar panels, all that extra wiring requires some expensive metals and labour. The maintenance there compared to a coal plant is night and day.

The places with the most expensive energy prices on earth are typically the places with the most green energy.

>>214631164
Look, man, they just got lucky three decades in a row. They're really missing out on the black people gifs market, their economy is going to bomb any second now

>>214631267
>Batteries don't last foreve
Muh batteries does not apply, see >>214629474

>solar panes [...] need replacing constantly,
Because other kinds of power plants famously never require maintenance or replacing parts, amirite.

>>214631454
>>214631267
Also, you're not factoring in the cost of human health. Coal plants typically give residents nearby all sorts of health issues like cancer, which is way more expensive than replacing panels.

>>214631488
stop treating cancer

>>214631164
The 1000th video has been made.

It's locked in.

>>214630835
Most of their energy comes from oil, coal, and natural gas. It's like 61% coal, 18% petroleum, and 8% natural gas, most of which is imported.

>>214627525 (OP)
>>214627882
Wew lad.

>>214630835
China's "rise" is completely performative, and driven by investment bubbles. Central planning shits out a lot of product, but doesn't care if it is useful or even used. So China can put solar plants wherever they like, that doesn't mean it's a reliable source of energy because the fundamental problem with solar is it is "use it or lose it", and if China doesn't use it immediately then it may as well have never existed in the first place.
>but muh batteries
Nobody on the planet has enough batteries to capture that much electricity.

The problem with energy has ALWAYS been storage and transport. The Sun floods the planet with energy, but how to capture it? Gee I dunno. The ultimate joke is coal and oil are both originally solar derived, and it's just a biological way of storing the energy.

>>214631164
Does he age 6 months every time he makes a failed China collapse prediction?

Why are we concerned that Great Sartan is shooting itself in the foot? Let them do it. Heck, lets egg them on. At some point, we should let the obstinate friend who refuses to listen, to go his way. We'll get a few laughs out of it.

>>214632091
Correct. You are right.

>>214627699
The oil lobby in the US is way to big, they can simply buy politicians and things will never change over there.
Personally I find it idiotic, there's so much money to be made with green energy, especially in the US market, they just lack vision I guess.

>>214632091
I hate how Americans are so fucking retarded but they say it with such assurance.

>>214627699
China proved solar panels are viable so solar energy is communist o algo.

>>214632224
>Personally I find it idiotic, there's so much money to be made with green energy

It's because Trump's golf courses are all next to wind farms, and he hates looking at them, hence why they're banned all over the US, which Trump canceling contracts on wind farms even if they're 85% complete, like the one Denmark was building off the shores of New Jersey.

Yes, his personal tastes caused green energy projects to end, and his entire administration is behind him building more coal plants, where he doesn't have to see them.

>>214627885
That's one way to improve relations with India.

i'm so thankful that millions of appalachian coal miners and texas oil field workers are willing to destroy their bodies for my electricity so that i can goon 24/7 and use russian torrent sites to steal american ip.

>>214632353
The US uses more nuclear than any other country, it's like 30% of the world's nuclear energy output. If to be compared with China who uses around 88% fossil fuels somehow the US is more green, if compared to France which has 75%(!) of their energy output coming from nuclear and hydro it's the model for clean energy. Germany and Italy have near 0% nuclear energy dependency, but make up the backbone of Europe's industry, so the issue seems to be transporting and storing energy compared to fossil fuels because if Germany, Italy, China, and the US still rely heavily on fossil fuels yet are some of the world's largest manufacturing bases there must be a reason they can't expand renewables/green energy into heavy industry on a mass scale because the energy costs more to use/produce.

>>214632091
retarded Ameriniggers don't know about pumped water storage

>>214633228
we do, we just intentionally withhold complicated subject matter from the average person to keep them stupid so they are more likely to buy stuff.