Thread 214644128

Does anyone else get depressed when they realize China will be a shithole dystopia forever? No country with such an amazing history deserves this.

>see two people fall down and become lifeless in the same spot for no immediately visible reason
>go over to them
I don't care what happens to them. I hate that kind of stupidity.

>>214644128 (OP)
not really

>>214644128 (OP)
>country of 1.4 billion people has an accident
>it's over 4eva
Akshually China's rise has been incredible

>>214644242
Its just a worse version of Japan, Taiwan's and Korea's. China couldn't break past the middle income trap while the others blew past it

>>214644278
Yeah not yet. They've already lifted a billion people out of poverty, and they've only just started. I believe they can eventually do what Japan and Korea did

>>214644342
They did this by putting them into poverty to begin with by doing retarded communism then tries to act accomplished by stopping the thing keeping them poor (communism)

>>214644398
China was already dirt poor before communism, but I agree communism kept them dirt poor. Now that they've unofficially abandoned it, there's no reason they couldn't do what Japan and Korea did

>>214644128 (OP)
i think you can cherry pick anything to make any point
you could do a compilation of chinese skyscrapers, weapons, technology ecc and make it seem like a utopia
since they're a competitor to america, i wouldn't call it a shithole. they're probably doing really good.

>>214644342
If I begin killing people but then stop killing people can I take credit for stopping the most murders?

>>214644466
They have the same standard of living as Mexico. On objective measurements China is still really bad

>>214644398
>>214644278
China was the last of the other three EA states to get substantial FDI.

>>214644460
>Now that they've unofficially abandoned it
They didn't though.

>literally called the Chinese century celebrating their rise to power
>a poojeet in Australia thinks you should feel bad for them

>>214644521
Chinese Century.........of humiliation

>>214644535
Yeah. If I was you, I’d be scared too. It’s not a question of if, but when.

>>214644128 (OP)
Does this have gore?

>>214644566
Humiliation fetishists will be eating good
*Puts on dress

>>214644488
i don't know, i've seen tourist videos from china done by my countrymen and they seem to be doing fine. they're surely catching up very well.

>>214644744
Google maps is literally blocked in 99% of the country because they don't want people seeing what a shithole it is. Only the nice parts of tier one cities get it

>>214644472
Read >>214644460

>>214645026
The problem with china is they are getting old before they can get rich. As the world ages the economic growth will slow since a smaller percentage of the population will be working age. Also China hasn't been able to make a large consumer base yet. They are repeating Japan's lost decade except weren't able to reach the economic heights before it happened. Keep in mind Japan had a GDP per Capita equal to Americas and a total GDP 80% that of Americas. China has a GDP 1/5th of Americas and a total GDP of 60% of Americas

>>214645501
I'm familiar with the chinese age pyramid, so called middle income trap, debt driven growth and the chinese export model. Even with all these things, the trajectory is positive. Sure, much of this growth is driven by them stopping retarded communism, but just doing that has been and will be a tremendous boost

Compared to eternal thirdie countries like the Philippines, which never had commies, China is already lightyears from us and is already a major power in politics in this region.

>>214645002
isn't that where the majority of the population lives though

China's rise has been insane, thougheverbeit

>>214644128 (OP)
wtf is this?

>>214644128 (OP)
>No country with such an amazing history deserves this
Lemme guess, Taiwaner Chang in Melbourne/Sydney still holding onto le "true China" meme

>>214646075
It says telephone poles can be dangerous on rainy days

I don't understand retards who align with the right wing mindset of IQ being the most determining factor for success. If China has a similar IQ to Korea and Japan, why the fuck they wouldn't be able to turn into a first world country given enough time?

>>214644342
>billion people out of poverty
A lot of Chinese are still really poor. I am happy that the poor population is decreasing but westerners see Shanghai and Chengdu and think the whole country is in 2075.

>>214644278
The difference is that china isn't a goyslave to usa so Washington can't delete their economy like they did to Japan

>>214646406
They aren't supposed to do that.

>>214644342
>out of poverty
by the standards of not having basic sanitation, running water, electricity until 10-20yrs ago. not by the standards of even the poorest in a developed country. actually not even that is complete yet as i think pit toilets and lack of rubbish management (while also banning burning rubbish meaning it has no where to go) are still widely present. i'm fairly confident issues with be fixed and rural chinese will be more aware / civilised, but the reality remains the chines masses will always be poor and not live well.

not that other east asian countries are particularly good either.

>>214644342
Your ccp definition of poverty is pretty much bullshit. Most of the Chinese people can barely survive as corruption in the ccp leadership steals the peoples wealth. Its why so many Chinese people flee China yearly, just like your family did.

>>214646813
Having 2000 USD monthly job is considered high status male in China. You can literally go to China and flaunt your normal job and get Chinese wife easily.

t. knower

>>214645902
A billion people don't live in 5 cities, not even close. You should know that, chang.

>>214646494
Chinese IQs are well below their peers. Its just inflated by cheating.

>>214646582
China's economy is more based on trading with the west than Japan's is. They are just a factory for white people.

>>214644128 (OP)
I hate people who feel the need to touch things while walking around
>filthy lamppost?
>I MUST TOUCH IT!

>>214646866
I don't like East Asian women or I would have already. I'm into Slavic girls

>>214646986
Not really. USA trade is like ten percent max of their exports, and that trade is on some level essential, if usa were to stop it then they would suffer immensely.

>>214644128 (OP)
>bad thing happens, Europe
>bad luck

>bad thing happens, USA
>you don't understand, we're winning

>bad thing happens, China
>it's a shithole confirmed. Worse than Somalia. More dangerous than Brazil. Poorer than Haiti. Less technology than Cameroon. It's collapsing. Done for. It's not that it is over, it hasn't even begun. Imminent destruction. Two more weeks.

>>214644128 (OP)
Unfortunately unlike Japan or Korea they haven't reached their peak before the demographic collapse took over. If the one child policy never happened or if they glibalized 10 years prior they would have been the undisputed global hegemon. But now I can see only two paths:
>Successful transition into a tertiary economy with stagnant growth and progressive liberalization
>Economic decline and major unrest over decreasing prospects and increased tax burden

>>214647451
you can't support either of those paths. stop pulling shit out of your ass.

>>214644398
China didn't put them into poverty, they were Africa tier before communism due to Qing ineptitude. Although Mao was retarded, yes.

>>214646553
>westerners see Shanghai and Chengdu and think the whole country is in 2075
No
>>214646660
>>214646813
I should have said absolute poverty. My point still stands tho

>>214646982
That's pure copium. Chinese immigrants to the west also have IQs just above 100, which is the normal level for east asians

>>214647159
China makes non essentials. China needs America but America doesn't need china. Europe and America make up nearly half of china's exports. Exports make up a bigger percentage of china's economy than other major economies as well.

>>214647540
Then explain how china is going to fix this. Or better yet how any east asian country will

>>214644128 (OP)
alex meachem post
ignore and move on

he's an ugly white dude dating an ugly asian foid who has an irrational hatred for china because his future kids will look like 5'6'' SEA monkey incels

>>214647721
During the Qing they were poor but they still (mostly) had enough to eat. The poverty got worse under the ccp

>>214647945
Alex fucks Chinese pussy while you seethe alone.

>>214647948
That's the downside of centralized power. If you centralize it into a retard (Mao) he potential downside is huge. When you get a genius with centralized power (Deng) you potential upside is also huge.

>>214644128 (OP)
What pokemon is this?

>>214648004
Was he a genius? He just undid the retarded shit Mao did. I feel anyone could have done this with an IQ above 90

>>214647927
Automation and robotics. Also, I believe that the birthrates will stabilize over time. Some people are having kids and over time they will become prevalent

>>214648001
>oh yeah this other man fucks so much pussy and I defend him on an irrelevant forum using my spare time
Just reflect on what you're doing for a moment, English-teacher-kun

it's the chinese century, you chuds can cope about it but they've already won

>>214648048
He was a utilitarian, very rare for a communist who are usually dogmatists. He just looked at Japan's strategy and copied it, which was a very decentralized system with tons of small actors and lenders.

>>214648048
It took some serious skills to make it happen. See NEP or glasnost for examples of how things could have gone.

>>214648139
How can it be the Chinese century when it's the Jeet millennium?

>>214648116
Automaticipn and robots would be the worst thing for China. Suddeyno one would use them since they could build stuff in country. China's economy would collapse

>>214649358
china has ton of infrastructure, logistics, equipment and expertise, it's not just a sweatshop of low skill labor

>>214649475
It is a sweat shop of low skill labor. The moment people don't need china because robots can do it China no longer has a reason to exist. China does medium to low end manufacturing. Japan, Korea, America, Taiwan and Germany do the high end manufacturing.

>>214649358
While you're not wrong in that the chinese economy is built on an export driven model, I don't think it's going to kill the chinese economy. Hurt it? Sure. Kill it? No. First of all, industrial automation will never cover all of manufacturing, some things will have to be done by hand, and even if it did, China still retains some competetive advantages. But in this case, I also meant automation and robotics could help them take care of the elderly

>>214649475
>it's not just a sweatshop of low skill labor
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>214649584
Taking care of the elderly, teaching and any other service about person to person will be the last to be taken over by ai. No old person or kid wants to be babysat by a machine

>>214649331
we will never move past poverty no matter what a brown chud wants you to believe. Export of cheap slave labour does not make a win in my book.

>>214649634
Machines are going to help nurses, so that you need fever nurses per old person. Besides, it's not like the elderly have a lot of choices. If they have to choose between a robot or nothing, they will go with the robot

>>214649736
This post is trying to hide the fact that we are at the start of the indian world order. He doesn't want us to know that the indian take over has started and trying to deflect away to another country

>>214649781
Go back, Patel

>>214649758
Nurses do 95% wiping asses and keeping company. Robots can't pick someone out of bed or give them company. All robots are fit to do right now are repetitive none complex tasks where no human body is nearby. Unlikely in our lifetime we will trust a robot to carry us because one error and the person dies

>>214649781
Saaaaar, good morning, saaaar!

>>214649819
I'm sorry Sar but they have redeemed our future

>>214649831
Yeah the field is in its infancy, sure. But like I said, if the choice is robot or nothing, they will go with the robot. What are the old folks gonna do? Walk out? Go on strike?

>>214649915
Pay an Indonesian to take care of them for $3 an hour

>>214650022
There won't be enough indonesians to go around when everybody everywhere is old

China's demographics mean it wont be first world this century. It along with every first world country will spend the next 100 years trying to fix it's fucked up demographics and while that happens all economic growth will be negative, not positive. Any economic position you are now you will be LUCKY to keep onto 30 years from now let alone grow.

>>214649547
medium end manufacturing is not a sweatshop, jesus christ. again
>infrastructure
>logistics
>equipment
>factories
>expertise
robots don't magically make these appear out of nothing.

>>214650821
>medium end manufacturing
Something that China doesn't do. They do low tier shit mostly. Their future will either be the wests bitch boy factory or robots will replace them and they will collapse.

like all dictatorships they suffer from the problem that anyone that brings attention to these issues is punished for making the state and by extension the dictator look bad by acknowledging them which just means that everyone has to lie and say everything is fine and there are no issues.

it's like how farmers in the east bloc would let their harvests rot because if you reported the real amount they would expect atleast as much next year which meant you got punished if you happened to just have a particularly good harvest this time, this incentivized constantly under-reporting your harvest so that even if you had a poor one then you wouldn't get punished for it

>>214651004
honestly don't think that's a super big problem in china compared to other dictatorships, they're not a tinpot dictatorship and they're not russian (evil)

>>214651004
Funny because communist China had the opposite problem. They would over report their harvest by such a degree Beijing thought they had 3 times as much rice as they actually did. That's why during mass starvation Mao started sending rice to Russia and also why he made many farmers stop farming and do other shit like making pig iron

>>214650867
american manufacturing is already collapsing from the tariffs because china actually makes components needed for american factories

>>214649861
Their population is below replacement without ever industrializing and median salaries being 250USD per month

>>214651123
>Their not evil
The CCP was far more evil than Russia ever was. The only group more evil than the CCP was Pol Pot's regime.

>>214651151
>american manufacturing is already
Yes two more weeks it's all collapsing.

>>214651160
really don't think you have a say in this takeshi given the atrocities the IJA comitted in china

>>214651171
USA lost 78k manufacturing jobs so far in 2025
but it only requires a little bit of thought to realize the tariffs are beyond retarded, you can't just reverse 50 years of deindustrialization cold turkey, especially in such a random, ill-thought out, indecisive, factually wrong manner

>>214646494
>I don't understand retards who align with the right wing mindset of IQ being the most determining factor for success
your system and decisionmaking can definitely keep you down.
IQ is just potential; your ceiling

>>214651160
ya it totally wasn't japanese freezing people to death and doing live vivisections

>>214644278
yeah and look what happened to us. lowest birthrates in the planet. my negus, keeping people kind of poor is literally the only way to maintain civilization. and even then china still has relatively low birthrates. just imagine if they all got rich. would be apocalyptic.

>>214651218
>>214651398
Mao killed far more than the japs did

>>214651004
china is not a dictatorship because xi jinping has to abide by the chinese constitution. i'm not sure why people insist on calling him a dictator when the ccp can literally sack him if he steps out of line, that was not the case with hitler, who was literally the textbook definition of a dictator. you can't be a dictator without absolute power over the government

>>214651487
reactionary imperialist propaganda o algo

>>214651446
birthrates are mostly due to feminism and anti-family culture
just look at poor ex-soviet countries, poor as fuck but nobody having children anyway
the problem with feminism is that it tries to make things egalitarian but guys just want to grill, drink beer and fuck, not change 1000 dirty diapers

>>214651487
he didn't kill them they mostly just died of starvation cos mao knew nothing about agriculture, and just assumed you could kill all the sparrows and it would suddenly increase the harvest. likewise, during the japanese invasion vast majority of deaths were due to starvation because of famine. i do think the japanese were far more sinister, perverted, and cruel than the communists were though. i don't care about people dying because human life has almost no value, it just bothers me to read about people being tortured and raped to death.

>>214651619
no it's because of wealth. ho chi minh promoted equality between the sexes heavily (ex president of Vietnam), for example, but Vietnamese still have plenty of children (it's around 2.0).
i just got back from Vietnam and Vietnamese women will straight up tell you they want to get married. have children and they're only like twenty years old. but they can vote and there's plenty of feminist policies in Vietnam. so why do they get married and reproduce? cos those niggas are poor, that is why.
in Korea they are way richer so Korean girls are not like that, the only thing a Korean girl wants is a man to use as a walking dildo, if you ask them for marriage, they will refuse and just ask you for sex only, instead. but after the Korean war women were having about five kids each. what was different? take a guess.

>>214651782
There are many poor places below replacement level, like India, Thailand, Vietnam