Thread 214647575

France vetoed Britain's entry into the European community twice, in 1963 and 1967.

>>214647575 (OP)
They get along, don't worry about their relationship

>>214647575 (OP)

They were trying to protect us from getting all our gibs drained to go to Poland and other shitholes.

>>214647637
What I'm gathering is De Gaulle considered Britain an US puppet state that would corrupt the European project if allowed inside.

>>214647662
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>>214647662
Dont think we were in 63' or 67' by the 80s and 90s sure

>>214647662
and he was absolutely right

>>214647575 (OP)
Based

>>214647575 (OP)
third time incoming

>>214647662
Which was stupid. We rejected American demands for involvement in Vietnam. That wouldn't happen today.

If anything, that pushed us more towards vassalisation.

>>214647662
Which is funny because he loved west Germany which was totally open about being a US vassal state

>>214650042
Not to mention in the 60s we were culturally at our most dominant

>>214647662
Then CIA started may 68 protests

>>214650042
The real exact reason why De Gaulle did that was in retaliation to Britain agreeing to the American proposal to stop their own independent military nuclear research and in exchange be allowed to buy whichever missile system Americans were developing back then (I don't remember which one, this was from a documentary titled "De Gaulle and the CIA"). Anyway, De Gaulle saw that as the ultimate commitment of Britain to the path of US vassalisation. De Gaulle wasn't such an anglophobe and was only a disappointed believer in the Anglo-French gang formed to bully weaker nations up to WW1 included. Britain became demoralized after the Suez crisis although the Anglo-French gang had been once more military successful on the terrain.

>>214647575 (OP)
Crazy how we were right

>>214647662
and he was right

>>214651473
we didn't corrupt it though? the worst thing we did to it was our own stupid population voting to leave it for zero (not a singular) benefit because a funny man who drank pints told them it would make their lives better.

>>214651527
You broke the credibility and prestige of the EU with your constant back and forth foot in the door attitude towards it and forced it to compromise on its principles of political integration.

>>214652217
No more than Sweden, Denmark and Ireland. We're just the only ones stupid enough to get fooled by a shyster into leaving.

>>214652280
Yeah but those are small border states you can do without if push comes to shove. Britain was a massive leading voice in the EU and it was at every point some degree of eurosceptic. This left its impact on the EU treaties, which were negotiated with British representatives at the table.

>>214651131
britain and france should've worked together to stay independent of the u.s. shame how thing turned out

>>214647575 (OP)
De Gaulle feared that they couldn't be fully integrated due to their insularity, and that their shared language with the US was a conduit for American influence. No hate to the British, but Brexit proved him right.

>>214652217
Mad how we were in it for about 30years and it was only when the EU wanted to be united states of europe rather than a customs union people started to not like it

as time passes I come to realize france was always right

>>214652685
Were did you get that from? Tory headlines? European integration was largely dead politically since the early 2000s when the common constitution initiative failed and they instead had to negotiate that gigantic mess of legislature at Lisbon.

>>214647575 (OP)
>EU is supposed to be some kind of europe stronk project to prevent getting bullied by superpowers
>orange man visits from the US and immediately inflicts an opium wars tier trade deal on them and EU officials just sit there and accept it instead of fighting, at most they complain on twitter (literally what the orange man does)

>>214653459
EU's kinda fucked at the moment if you didn't notice.

>>214652866
>Early 2000s
So year we'd been in it about 30years by then. As i said

>>214647662
What can ya say, when he's right he's right

>>214653459
the deal hasn't passed, most countries reject it and trump is already violating it because the EU fined google