Thread 214662333

why is it that every innovative thing in the world happens in the USA?

Are people outside of the USA not capable of starting new companies or trying shit? what's going on with that

Meanwhile in amurica

>>214662333 (OP)
money, attracting talents and less government regulations

>>214662333 (OP)
innovating means making unnecessary or worse
right

>>214662421
america is only good at marketing and other sleazy bullshit crap

>>214662333 (OP)
Glrop

>>214662479
you have one (1) AI lab on your entire continent and it's only kept afloat by gibs from clients who don't want to depend on objectively superior American models

We take for granted, VERY for granted, a natural culture of freedom and economic liberty. In most parts of the world, and for most of history, the economy was something of a patronage scheme. Corrupt, run by the powerful. They gatekept all business and if you tried to break in you would be beaten down quickly. Very low social mobility and entrepreneurship, therefore no impetus to innovate. Innovation can only happen in new lands, new paradigms, or out of sheer necessity, like during war.

>>214662598
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>214662333 (OP)
i honestly dont know what the rest of the world even does other than China

>Google
>Facebook
>Apple
>Tesla
>Nvidia
>MSFT
>Amazon

all American

>>214662730
it's crazy because I don't think people in europe are stupid right? like they clearly have people with braincells over there

so why is it that virtually all intelligent europeans have to move to the USA to get any actual work done? its crazy

>>214662730
all bullshit services that make our lives objectively worse
nice "innovation"

Love how the internet is full of Indian reply bots because Elon giving them £120 is enough to last weeks.

Very based and trad, as you spastics would say

>>214662441
>>214662479
>>214662689
>>214662770
this thread really pissed you off didn't it?
seems like I've struck a chord. is it a sensitive topic for you?

Americans are hard workers, there's no denying it. I know a lot of people here who work like 20-30 hours a week

>>214662770
Go outside and look at how many of your brown countrymen use smartphones (not even just iPhones, smart phones in general). Invented by Steve Jobs, an American.

Without America, no IG thots, no Youtube, no WhatsApp, no seamless e-commerce, no user friendly operating systems, no nothing. Meanwhile the only thing I know about your "country" is it has fancy chocolate

>>214662881
I think the USA is one of the few countries in the world with both:
- high IQ
- strong work ethic

possibly anywhere.

>>214662914
not even true

Most of your Silicon Valley innovators are foreigners. Half of your Nobel winners were born outside the US.

>>214662333 (OP)
they steal all the smart niggas.

>>214662966
that changes nothing
they still come to the USA for a reason. what is so special about the USA and california particularly?

>>214662914
>>214662654

All the innovation in the US is being done by east asian and Indian talent

>>214662966
Well yes, that's the point. They were nobody until they arrived on the shores of America. The magic dirt there unlocked their potential, which would have been squandered in the shitholes they came from.

>>214663023
Very favorable (i.e. few) regulations on venture capital

The VC that a normal run of the mill startup in the US can gather is a wet dream for even the top European startups.

>>214663023
Less regulation, lower taxes. Noone in Europe is coming to America to work blue collar jobs

>>214662368
You have no idea what 'average' means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Asunta_Basterra
>Asunta's adoptive parents, Rosario Porto and Alfonso Basterra, were found guilty of her murder on 30 October 2015. According to court documents, the couple had periodically drugged their daughter with lorazepam for three months and finally asphyxiated her before disposing of her body.[2][6] The parents, who maintained their innocence, were sentenced to eighteen years in prison.[2] Porto died by suicide in prison in November 2020.
Guess this is an 'average' Spanish family by your standards.

>>214663111
it's really only California
A number of chud VCs in Silicon Valley made a big show of moving their operations to Florida as a protest against the woke SF government. They went crawling back after less than 6 months when they realized that Florida is full of brainlets. The Bay Area is the biggest concentration of gigabrains in the world.

>>214663023
>>214663038
The reason is WWI and WWII. America hit the jackpot. All her rivals were devastated and bankrupted. America was completely untouched and reaped huge rewards. After WWII literally half the wealth on Earth was American. Brtian handed over the family jewels in return for lousy weapons - reserve currency status, all the god and cash, priceless scientific advances (thanks Winston!) all at a crippling interest rate. When that massive advantage began to fade as countries like Russia, Germany and Japan started to recover it used its power to rig the world economy to keep the free lunch going - petrodollar, Plaza Accords etc.

>>214662333 (OP)
China just copies everything we do and everyone sucks them off. They have no respect for us.

>>214663184
Meanwhile in amurica.

>>214663327
ZAMN.

>>214662966
the point is it happens in America

the thing I wonder is why wasn't the UK capable of building a silicon Valley in england?

Did they not have the same mix of high IQ, hard working people?

America has Silicon Valley, plenty of venture capital firms and the MIT (among others). Europe has little of that, only comepting to some extent in the tertiary education department.

>>214664508
the UK has:

>best banks in the world, literally most foreign money in the world flows through London
>incredibly highly educated with best institutions (Oxford and Cambridge are arguably the best universities in the world)

all it's missing is construction and building I guess

>>214662333 (OP)
There is not much to innovate anymore. Like the examples you state

>>214662730
all these companies and services were either significantly better 10-15 years ago or have not changed. Google is borderline unusable, it is impossible to search on YouTube for anything as only the first two videos maybe are relevant, full of Shorts that are obviously not meant to be for desktop. Facebook is quite possibly the worst website ever created, its like they have thousands of people making 7 figures trying to make the experience as obnoxious and annoying as possible. Apple has been stagnating since Cook, they poured billions into projects like the car or the headset and nothing came out of it. They are afraid of innovation, iOS looks exactly the same as it did when the iPhone X came out in 2017. Macbooks are best laptop on the planet but both iOS and MacOS is a lot more buggy than it used to be. I keep receiving notifications about iOS updates and they cannot make basic functionality like WiFi work.

>>214664602
>There is not much to innovate anymore
absolute fucking moron
literal digital minds that rival or surpass human consiousness will be created within two decades

we live in the MOST PIVOTAL moment in human history and you are saying there's not much to innovate

>>214664661
I love LLMs but calm down with the AGI hype
https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/illusion-of-thinking

>>214664763
you think development of AI systems is just going to stop today with current LLMs? you think AI researchers are just going to give up, say transformer architecture is the best we'll ever do?

why?

Innovation in the modern economy happens when someone can pursue his ambitions and goals unhindered and can be enticed by the promise of huge financial gain.
It doesn't happen because a sluggish bureaucrat decides to greenlit the funding of x or y project based on the decree of some institutional committee.
Also no one shells out capital with all the downside risk and work entailed so he can end up involuntarily donating half the proceeds to the government.
Once westies realize that they can probably go back to being rich.

We have zero nobels
We are low IQ and brown
We have 60k murders a year
We are filled with corrupt politicians
We are poor

We need the USA to rule over us!

>come into thread that has nothing to do with brazil whatsoever
>start crying about how subhuman you are
truly impressive how mindbroken you are

>>214664856
Well so far the argument has been that they just need moar and moar data and better filtering. Hence the hundreds of billions of CAPEX into ML hardware. This seems to be proven false. Whether there is going to be a breakthrough is a great question but I think at this point it is clear that you cannot achieve AGI with just moar processing power.

As for whether AGI is achievable I'm very skeptical. Ask an LLM how Micheal Polanyi's idea of tacit knowledge goes against LLMs achieving AGI through explicit data training

>>214665072
You guys are simply superior to us

>>214664490
Its not due to "hard work or high IQ" but rather proximity to key markets, government and academic research institutions and the ability to pull researchers, engineers and programmers from allover the US and by extension parts of the Anglosphere. It all had to align together.

>>214665076
none of the greatest AI researchers think that. I'm pretty sure ilya said he believes AGI will be able to run on a laptop

there is still SO much room for algorithmic improvements that random people just trying shit find state of the art improvements every fucking week

the pace of development is so fast right now and you are crying about doom and gloom? why?

The USA is the leader of the free world because they are whiter and higher IQ than everyone else!

Innovation and prosperity are correlated directly with these two factors

That is why we are poor and have zero nobels!

>>214665023
>Once westies realize that they can probably go back to being rich.
But they are rich?

>>214665153
Well yeah they might not believe now but they absolutely did not so long ago

>the pace of development is so fast right now and you are crying about doom and gloom? why?
I'm not but there is an extremely large gap between a functional LLM and AGI/superintelligence. The problem is that companies like OpenAI were building up hype cycles and justified the insane spending with it. I think LLMs are super cool but I doubt there is going to be AGI any time soon if ever

>>214665239
It's a bubble. AI is useful but they hyped themselves up so hard they basically need money infusions to not crash.

>>214665239
>>214665126

>The problem is that companies like OpenAI were building up hype cycles and justified the insane spending with it
I agree with you here, and the "tacit knowledge" problem is being actively worked on at the highest levels, teams in OpenAI are working on computer use every single day

you should watch this dwarkesh video on pushing out current AGI timelines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyvmYnz6EAg

Dwarkesh is saying that people should temper their expectations in this video, due to the tacit knowledge issue, and yet he STILL believes that AGI is coming within like a decade.

>>214665292
Yeah the problem is that so far has not been any major financial return, a lot of companies jumped on the AI hype even when it only causes annoyance and also the giant data centers have pushed up electricity prices across the US

>>214665321
Well the question is whether human intelligence can be reduced to just pattern recognition and information processing. I don't believe that

If you have some time read this, somewhat related. Found it very interesting:
https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/polanyi/Polanyi_Life_Structures.pdf

>>214665185
I get the impression they also want to compete in the tech, financial and energy sector on a meaningful level because I read articles on the weekly with west europeans grumbling about constantly losing ground to the US.
But they don't understand that these things happen through private, unobstructed initiative, not spearheaded by some Brussels ghouls.
Euros are not taiwanese.

>>214662333 (OP)
Too much bureaucracy in the rest of the world.

>>214665460
>But they don't understand that these things happen through private, unobstructed initiative
You mean stealing IP, and creative+academic content to fuel their models while refusing to properly pay for it.

>>214664490
You brain-drain from the UK and everywhere else. Because money.

>>214666290
cope. Americans are simply whiter and smarter than you. You need to stop blaming the CIA or whatever for your own problems

>>214665419
I'll read this and post a thread in the afternoon

I've been reading a lot of philosophy papers about consciousness recently, I wonder if you've read the same