Thread 214727608

Why are the French so lazy and economically illiterate? Do they understand that they literally cannot afford to keep spending as they are? France has already pushed its taxation to the limits in that further increases will actually shrink the economy and lower revenue as their previous tax hikes had, has over 50% of its GDP through government spending, has high debt, and has low growth. These combined mean that if there are not cuts and reforms, then the French welfare state will literally collapse, as in it won't just be cut but completely gone. Unable to be funded as no one will lend France money anymore. That also means there is no chance of "strategic autonomy" from the USA when you are broke, and cannot be governed due to internal divisions. And how do the French respond to these facts? They cry, and bitch, and moan, and riot because they are upset that wealth cannot just be materialized on the spot out of thin air. Sad!

>>214727608 (OP)
The only problem is the baby boomers' pensions.
But for electoral reasons, politicians do not want to do anything about it and will continue to target the working population in order to maintain the privileged status of retirees.

Because the economy is for the landholders and wealthy. All that stuff about GDP are buzzwords with no real impact. The poor will be poor, and the rich will be rich. Thats all.

>>214727608 (OP)
it just works though
france is a good country with great safety nets and social programes

>>214727806
I guess Swedes are economically illiterate too. France has one of the most robust social welfare spending on Earth, and it is primarily being funded by debt currently. Investors are already demanding high interest rates for further debt, so without revenue increases and spending cuts, eventually investors will STOP buying French debt meaning the collapse of their welfare. That ABSOLUTELY will crush the poor. The poor won't just be poor, but in genuine poverty if social programs can no longer be funded.

>>214727873
No, it's a shithole. All public services and the future of the country are currently being destroyed so as not to reduce pensions.
https://ponziretraite.com/

>>214727873
Are all Europeans like this? Again, those programs are being funded by debt and the debt faucet is running dry. If reforms aren't made, then those great social programs will no longer be able to be funded.

>>214727989
Jesus fuck. I don't even want to see what the American version of that website would look like lmao

>>214728092
I was very surprised to learn that your biggest government expenditure was healthcare.

>>214728146
The USA actually subsidizes healthcare a lot, we have free healthcare for the poor, subsidies for health insurance premiums if you earn less than 60k/yr, we pay for 50% of unpaid hospital bills for patients who can't afford the cost, we subsidize rural hospitals and doctors, we pardon medical debt for doctors who agree to accept Medicaid patients, provide free vaccines and annual checkups etc etc. Add to this the private insurance and practice aspect, state v federal roles, and you get this monstrous bureaucracy that costs 10x the amount that a universal healthcare system would cost. Add to this the fact that Americans are fat and unhealthy, and you get asinine healthcare spending on an inefficient system being used by very unhealthy people.

>>214727735
Didn't Macron increase retirement age? He should've probably fucked over their pensions more, but that would be too large of an electorate loss. RN is apparently also against any pension cuts.

>>214728337
Oh, and of course retirees get their healthcare costs covered by the government (in addition to a state pension, and special carve outs to lower the property taxes on their three $1M homes)

>>214728501
He's going to lose anyway, might as well say fuck it and declare the Day of the Pillow. At the very least history will look upon him well, even if his contemporaries might not.

>>214728538
He has a minority government so the other parties would protect the boomer entitlements with their lives along probably the rest of his party that want to still have a place in politics.

>>214728146
Guy with an easily treatable ailment doesn't go to the hospital because he can't pay. Ends up in the emergency room and gets a fat bill. Gubbernment is left with the check. Many such cases.

>>214728590
Can't he force through legislation like he did with the retirement age?

>>214728717
Literally not true. If you are poor you get free healthcare in the USA, the issue is more the bureaucratic middle men that siphon off profit despite contributing nothing, and the fact that Americans (especially the poors) are very unhealthy so require constant care for their self-inflicted chronic conditions.

>>214728770
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_49_of_the_French_Constitution
I assume the parliament would explode if he tried with a decent probability.

>>214728501
Of course he raised the age, since it affects working people and youth and not current retirees. We'll be the ones left holding the bag in this story. Politically, nothing will be done, the pension system will collapse just in time for our own retirement, and we'll be left looking like fools.
The worst part of this story is that with capitalization, current retirees would have had a better pension.
But no, it was absolutely necessary to keep the distribution system for the baby boomer generation (demographic peak).
https://www.franceinfo.fr/vrai-ou-fake/vrai-ou-fake-reforme-des-retraites-les-baby-boomers-touchent-ils-deux-fois-plus-qu-ils-n-ont-cotise-pendant-leur-vie-active_5598344.html

>French
just say leftytroons

>>214728929
>Of course he raised the age, since it affects working people and youth and not current retirees.
It still an overall good thing if you're less than 50 years old. Fuck boomers though.

>>214728911
one of the last prime minister ( barnier ) was ousted (by the RN) because he dared to say that pensions should no longer be indexed to inflation

The late Bayrou, as big an idiot as he was, had a moment of lucidity about pensions before he left, which caused a huge outcry.
They are an untouchable class, even though they are richer than those in work. That's how France is screwed. .

"economic literacy" is code for neoliberal anarcho-capitalist wall street garbage
kill all economists
kill all speculators
kill all boomers

>>214729154
Alright leftoid, let's hear how you would fund France's welfare. Please remember, that the last tax hikes in France lowered growth and tax revenue.

If you want to learn something fun, France spends about 5.4% of its GDP on education, which is similar to the United States.
But in reality, 25-30% of the education budget is allocated to pensions, as the country keeps increasing state employer contribution rates in order to transfer money from various public services to pension funds.

The country with the highest taxes in the world spends a lower percentage of its GDP on education than the United States, and if you factor in the pension scam in the education budget, spending per student is probably half that of Denmark, for example. A brief explanation of our fall in the PISA rankings
This is generational suicide for baby boomers.

>>214727608 (OP)
>i want more welfare
>no i wont work more than 35 hours per week
>wtf .5 cents more on gas? im gonna burn the city

>>214730072
France's 35 hour work week, and generous vacation times are based though. They can still have their welfare if they actually get everyone to work, and cut spending (ideally pensions and unemployment benefits to migrants but that'll never happen)

>>214728501
raising the age usually only affects future retirees

surely another million africans will fix the problem

>>214727608 (OP)
>>214727982
>>214728034
>>214728092
DOGFUCKING
RAPED
KIKE

>>214727608 (OP)
The US budget deficit is even higher.

>>214728337
>>214728504
>>214728538
>>214728770
DOGFUCKING
MENSTRUATING
KIKE

>>214728856
>>214729208
>>214730144
DOGFUCKING
RAPED
KIKE

The finn is acting more schizo than usual. What's going on?

>>214730614
kill yourself kike

>>214727735
Baby boomers are the problem all over the west, we call them gerontocleptomaniacs since they feel entitled to receive higher pensions than they paid for

>>214730072
>>214730144
Nobody but unionized boomers and women works 35h/w in France. 42,5 is the norm pretty much everywhere and that's without unpaid overtime/take home work.

>>214728538
>day of the pillow
absolute KEK

>>214727608 (OP)
Look at who is right above France in the rankings

>>214727608 (OP)
france is proof that victoria 3 reforms are realistic

>>214735490
kek

>>214727873
Rarely does nature produce such strong madeforbbc phenotypes

>>214727989
That's fantastic, Karims and Fatimas and Mamadous in shambles.

Only way they'll ever go back.

>>214735490
Reserve currency status allows us to spend more since the world effectively subsidizes our spending

>>214728929
Yeah this is what's going to happen here too. Worst thing were the 20-30 y/o retards clapping at the govt for shutting down the country over the boomer remover pandemic

>>214735767
Don’t worry bro, France has Airbus, nuclear reactors and more patrimonial assets than any other European country and by far. We’ll not collapse any time soon. You’ll be sucking on your wife’s boyfriend’s BBC long before we collapse - having a BWC, I can say that.

>>214735534
What reforms are you referring to? I lost 200 hours of my life to that game, formed Yugoslavia from fucking Montenegro on Ironman, and I don’t know what the fuck you’re alluding to.

>>214729485
The fall in PISA has absolutely nothing to do with budget expenditures, and all to do with the fact that France is also last in the subsidiary PISA ranking measuring the ability to listen and work in class in the calm. Utter fucking moron.

>>214727608 (OP)
If France's economy collapses will all the Africans and Nafris go home?

>>214727806
>All that stuff about GDP are buzzwords with no real impact.
low iq desu

France got rid of a wealth tax and replaced it with a retarded land tax
France reduced corporate tax rates and introduced a flat capital gains and dividend tax to replace the previous progressive one
America will be the death of us all

>>214736994
same here, income is taxed high, social security contributions are high for regular earners, wealth isn't taxed at all
unironic neoliberalism, fuck this

>>214736755
> The fall in PISA has absolutely nothing to do with budget expenditures
Yeah sure lmao, let's continue to hire idiots to teach our children and increase the student-teacher ratio. We're going to beat Romania soon, that's cool. Pisa is just because of Arabs and screens, no problem.

>>214736501
Dude I'm not anti-French or hoping for your collapse, but you need to face economic realities. Chimping out and throwing shit at other countries isn't going to solve your budget crisis.

Damn. If only someone had warned the younger generation of euros about the consequences of muh bennies and been called fascists for doing so over and over and over up until right about 2023 when you finally started noticing, but still won't abandon cultural Marxism and will just see the about old people and religion without taking any note of the actual ideological shift which defined the "boomers" globally.

No no, I'm sure this is all REALLY just muh capitalism, though. Capitalism is when you make unsustainable socialist national charity structures after all, paid for with the blood of the hypothetical future. No, absolutely. You're so intelligent, Europe. Thank you so much for pressuring our urban population into forcing us to follow you into hell. No, really, that's great.

>>214727608 (OP)
True, but the same is true for the US

>>214737939
We're just a few steps behind Europe, it's all the same deliverance into bondage

>>214737227
In China, there are 50 pupils per class in middle school and they top PISA. Classroom climate has little to do with race, Karim. Commit suicide immediately you corporatist moron.

>>214737979
You're calling him corporatist for bitching about student-teacher ratios and school funding in general? Are you sure about that one?

>>214727873
It's great for parasites, yes.

>>214727608 (OP)
this is the blind spot of rationaltards
they get confused and disoriented when the situation goes from reason -> ideology

we're past the economics and have (re)-entered the ideological age and my body is ready for it

>>214738068
Yeah, he’s likely a lazy ass MEEF (meme degree for teachers here) student on the top of being a stupid moron. Teachers repeat this trope constantly here and go on strike to grab the smallest further privilege possible. France is corporatism, the country.

>>214737967
Your debt to GDP ratio is higher than that of france

>>214737967
>>214739068
Debt to GDP ratio:
- USA 124%
- France 113%
- China 88%
- Germany 63%

>>214738631
C’est fini

>>214737979
And funnily enough Chine have better student:teacher ratio than France in primary and middle school

But lets talk about the real first country in PISA ranking.
Singapore : budget per student : 16 604 SGD ( smthg like 20k in dollar PPA )
https://data.gov.sg/datasets/d_0102d02cb67c375167f2f6e6034b6afb/view
France : when the pension surcharge is removed from the education budget its probably around 10k USD PPA per student

> You're calling him corporatist for bitching about student-teacher ratios and school funding in general? Are you sure about that one?

Let me be clear: I don't want more taxes, I want fewer taxes, and I want public money to be spent more wisely. Ruining a country to fatten the savings accounts of the elderly serves no purpose. Having fewer retards in the next generation is a little more useful.
And I don't think that putting more money into it is a magic solution, but it will help a lot, especially if we stop lowering the standards for becoming a teacher.

>>214738871
lmao what are you even talking about
> muh he wants a lot less money for ( public ) pension and a bit more for students he is probably in MEEF

take meds and stop schizo posting