Thread 214745747

Airplane industry market:
>US government backed boeing and Lockheed-Martin
>EU government backed Airbus
>The rest government backed agencies
Planes are really this unprofitable?

Cars are not that different considering a lot of them get subsidised or some other government help

something about that graph that really makes me stab someone in neck

>>214745799
Not all, in contrast Airplane industry is wholly government backed

>>214745821
why

>>214745747 (OP)
More like technology and research are important for the military industrial complex so the government has a hand in it

>>214745747 (OP)
Its difficult to tell since since the market is so distorted, I think that it would be entirely possible to make profit on aircraft if you didn't have to compete with large government backed monopolies

>>214745747 (OP)
Wait airbus is really so much larger than Boeing?

>>214746220
For the time being

>>214745799
>Cars are not that different considering a lot of them get subsidised or some other government help

Why didn't you save her?

I'm going to get shitfaced on some cheap Australian wine and watch Lighthorsemen to mourn the death of Holden. Almost forgot about it. You fags could have threatened to nationalize the plants and collect on the loans to GM. You'd have won since Australian built kits being shipped to China to be rebadged as Buicks were one of GMs mos profitable cash cows at the time.

>>214746414
You shouldn't know anything about Australia much less this much

>>214746220
If it's Boeing I'm not going

>>214746466
Why not? Don't be a daft cunt. You almost arm twisted GM into retooling the Holden plant to produce Cadillac platform RWD cars for the entire Eurasia market but pussied out. You'd have got a cheap version of the CT5 as the next Commodore and a pushrod CT6 as the new Caprice. Probably would have got some fun cheap CT4 derivatives too. But you bent the knee and let GM finance McGhengisize your VBhole frontpussy all dandylike to get cheap ore export contracts that you're also going to cancel. Weak cunts.

>>214745747 (OP)
If anyone is wondering
>In the late 1960s, Airbus’ predecessor companies from France, Germany, the UK, and Spain laid the foundations for today’s industry leader in commercial aviation. This model would be extended to rotorcraft in the 1990s with the creation of Eurocopter (now Airbus Helicopters) which emerged as a leader after the 1992 merger of the helicopter divisions of Airbus’ French and German parent companies.

>>214745747 (OP)
Because aircraft production is a strategic ability during war and you want to make sure you always have the capability ready to be expanded. Russia is finding out the hard way when most of their aircraft and naval production used to be done in Ukraine.

>>214746220
Yeah, they fucked up their reputation massively

>>214748027
>Russia is finding out the hard way when most of their aircraft and naval production used to be done in Ukraine.

What

>>214745747 (OP)
>Planes are really this unprofitable?
yes
the only form of civilian air travel that is profitable are bushplanes (tiny one man operations flying in dangerous places wihout any other travel option) and long distnace flights across the planet.
Every single flight that happens within the span of a continent is subsidized by the government even after decades of lowering quality of service in endless pursuits of profit margins

>>214745747 (OP)
Nigga have you seen the amount of money for R&D and productions goes into planes and engines? There is also only a hand full of airplane producers left. Thankfully because of our greatest ally we will soon have a company reborn.

Basically, the aircraft and energy industries are WW2 victors privilege, Japan and Germany were blocked from entering these fields, but Japanese are high IQ, so still make money in these fields via B2B.

>>214750462
Germans partly own airbus, without Germany Airbus would collapse, as well as without france

>>214746017
check his flag again

>>214746220
Boeing got lapped by Airbus in the early 2000's

>>214746220
Some would say that: "Boeing airplanes can't stop crashing."

>>214750603
Nah that’s wrong. They keep downsizing Airbus Hamburg and actually are shifting production to the US and China.

>>214751369
>to the US
For what purpose would they?

>>214751918
Atlanticists wanted to appease the Judeoamericans because they think they'll protect them from Russia

>>214748731
An

>>214749594
Context?

>>214745799
Cars have tiny profit margins and unlike airlines the people who buy them aren't always on the verge of collapse

>>214751918
Younger and more educated workforce. Like seriously you won’t find anything younger in Hamburg other than it’s migrant population. Pic related, Hamburg number one in childlessness. Airbus Hamburg has been struggling with finding new workers for quite some time now and used to be responsible for the 321 being delayed because of manufacturing defects in the fuselage.
>>214754249
Just talking about passenger jets here but composite materials, engines, more complex machining for smoother and aerodynamic surfaces to decrease fuel consumption by 3% (yes its really this bad), alternative fuel sources, alternative energies in general, cockpit electronics and so on.

For the bottom part look up Deutsche Aircraft. One of the few good news for us except for them doing serial production in East Germany.

>>214751918
Shareholder line go up

>>214746220
they dont crash to the ground?

>>214756837
Airlines aren't on the verge of collapse. COVID was the exception