Thread 214817023

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>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

Thread that whose was not enough bumped : >>214777647

कहाँ is an apic (adverbial pronoun of interogatovagative classification)

Exemple of use : तुम कहाँ जा रहे हो?

1. Your target language
2. At which vocabulary size were you able to understand most texts?

There is a point in language learning where the need for vocab practice ceases to be and you're able to learn most words from context. I wanna know where that point is.

रहा is a capi (continuous aspect particle inflection)

Can someone give me a routine and resources for self teaching a language? The wiki is not helpful and I don't remember how I learned English.

>>214817059
>>214817464
I wish I had your autism

>>214817059
>>214817464
I remember taking linguistics in college. I hadn't even gotten past X bar theory when I realized absolutely no one gives a shit about any of it. Like, I signed up for this thinking I'd learn tons of languages, not whole books worth of jargon.

By the way, here's a thought that crossed my mind recently. Supposedly, Noam Chomsky came up with the phrase "colorless green ideas sleep furiously" as a phrase that is semantically nonsensical. I know this is beside the point he was making, but in a world where meanings are subjective, is there any such thing as semantic nonsense? In this case, "colorless" could be taken to mean bland or lacking in flair. "Green" could mean environmentally conscious. An "idea" could be a policy proposal. "Sleep" could mean being idle or inactive. "Furiously" could mean invoking fury rather than having it. So "colorless green ideas sleep furiously" could mean "the familiar and banal proposals for new environmental policy remain stuck in committee, despite the frustration of supporters".

Similarly, my professor said "I saw John's the dog" as an example of a syntactically incorrect sentence. "This is not English", he said. But I wonder, what if someone named John had one of those gay The Dog toys from the early 2000s. Or maybe there's a hidden conjunction in there, as often happens in English, i.e. "I saw [that] John's the dog". I guess that doesn't mean syntax is wrong or anything, he just needed a better example.

>>214818286
>I signed up for this thinking I'd learn tons of languages
You are really fucking retarded

>>214817315
I never tracked my known words count, but I found this post to be a good rough guide

Why was Hittite's verbal system so much simpler than other ancient Indo-European languages?

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>>214817315
Chinese
around the 4000-5000 words mark

96 days until JLPT

>>214817660
What language though? I can only give you an abstract roadmap.

>Memorize words (Anki, paper flashcards, Goldlist method etc.)
>Read and listen to material that's at your level (at your level = sentences you can understand it or you can use tools like lookups/translation to make them understandable)
>Avoid writing and speaking until you can express your thoughts without thinking about the form or grammar
>Immerse until the language is completely second nature

Some helpful links:
https://refold.la/simplified/
https://refold.la/roadmap/
https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/table-of-contents -- specifically for japanese, but you can apply the method to any language
https://www.antimoon.com/how/input.htm

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>>214825884
Thanks, is shadowing OK? I am trying to learn German. I hate anki and any electronic system. My idea is to finish 2 assimil books,promising up to c1, and a graded reader at b2 level. Then go full immersion using previous Goethe and other institution test material to gamify my way to a fast c1.

>>214828543
Assimil is a good start, but it won't get you to B2 on its own, you'll have to grind a lot more than you think and read/listen for potentially thousands of hours till you fully acquire some features of the language.

>I hate anki and any electronic system

You can try physical flashcards or the Goldlist method using a notebook. The point is to just have a review system that keeps a bunch of vocab in your short-term memory so that you can recognize and acquire it in immersion more easily.

>shadowing

If you feel like it helps, sure, go for it.

As an anglo, how do I stop my brain from registering the alveolar tap R sound as a D sound

How accurate is the wiki for Mandarin? Like the other anon, it doesn't seem as though the process is working for me. If anyone knows of a better way, do let me know.

I can't understand how the Indo-Germanic, Indo-European for the PC crowd, theory still exists today when nothing of it has managed to be sustained by any science

Even more ridiculous is the Bantu theory simply because of the timeline given by the experts

>>214829024
Thanks a lot for this, do you think immersion using test material is better than IRL content? All my areas of interest are scientific so the grammar rarely is above b2 and the vocab is so domain specific and technical that they will never come up on the exam.

>>214831235
>immersion using test material

Like, immersing using the content that's on exams and such? Sure, you can use it for that purpose but I don't think there's quite enough of it. The reading section is probably one or two pages max, listening is like 10-30 minutes of audio max. You're better off reading a novel or watching tv shows, movies, anime, etc. Quantity is a lot more important than quality when it comes to immersion.

>All my areas of interest are scientific

To become fully fluent, you have to cast a wide net. The grammar is not a problem, but vocabulary often is. If you read science articles all the time, you'll be familiar with all the common words in that domain but you'll be lost when someone talks about cooking or politics etc.

>>214829647
Fill your English media consumption with Scottish, Welsh and Irish English

>>214830170
how is it not sustained by science? there are connections between Indo-Iranian and European languages. does anyone try to argue it's a sprachbund instead?
it's not just linguistics anyway, but also genetics and archaeology

>>214827603
>shitalia
Seriously though I doubt those numbers unless it's the entire household

>>214832940
Yeah, it's fake but it gave me a good chuckle.

>>214831654
Thanks a lot.

DaF level 4,Goethe c1 and telc c1 are three exams that are interchangeable. And I can probably find 1000 pages worth of past papers from them. My friend got a b2 certificate for Erasmus in 4 months and all he did was a single assimil book for 3 months and one month of studying past papers day and night.

I barely got a c1 on my IELTS exam despite years of immersion, simply because I never use any advanced grammar. Online vocab tests estimate my vocab size at 15k word families and everyone assumes I am from the States whenever I speak. In comparison I know a guy who got a c2 certificate despite sounding like super Mario unironically, because he deliberately used structures like "If I had had a dog last year, I would have bought him a toy" and other structures that no one actually uses.
Meanwhile there are native speakers who say stuff like "oxes", "could of done it" and "less mistakes".

So for German I will focus more on test material.

>>214830170
What do you think is wrong about it? (If this isn't just bait)

>>214821956
which HSK level is this going to be
>>214830061
I remember looking at this shit once when I started and then never again lol
freestlyle it, ask the bajillions free AI's, do your own researches

>>214819694
The percentages don't really reflect just how well you understand a text. Sometimes not knowing a single word can make an entire sentence incomprehensible.
For most languages you can easily learn with graded readers the moment you know a few hundred words.

>>214819328
Yeah, and exactly how much did you know about anything when you were 18?

>>214833736
About a low HSK6
If you can pass HSK6 (with a good mark that wasn't just blind luck) then I think you can read and understand 95% of everything. You can definitely read novels and academic articles.

>>214835451
does a early HSK6 also work for conversations? or videos and movies?

>>214833869
it doesn't help that those percentage are inflated even for spoken register. I think this graph is closer to reality. Imo meaning of nouns are easier to infer from context, while adjectives and adverbs are slightly less important for comprehension. Which means learners should focus on verbs.

Morse communication on dogs :

Bigger dogs communicate on long term segements :
"Mememettmet"
The word I can got from this is the first person oblique pronoun "me"
And at a lowerfrequence of sound output.
Smaller stand after vertex :
"sesheseheisihe"
The word I can get from this is the third person singular feminine pronoun "she"

>>214835537
you can probably handle most conversations from hsk4 because you will understand enough for people to explain words you don't understand to you
tv and movies again it depends, but I would say hsk6 for most of them

>>214835929
thats very true for Chinese
there are a LOT of infrequently used literary words
also you are right about verbs + languages usually have a lot less verbs than other parts of speech

>>214817660
Generally you can do a textbook like colloquial or teach yourself, which will get you to about a A2 level normally. Language specific textbooks like Genki are more ideal. Textbooks tend to give a good foundation to build upon.

If your language has some sort of proficiency test, you can use this as both a study plan and a goal to aim towards. In my experience, resources for languages with tests are really easy to find.

If you don't want to do textbooks, you can just anki, read about grammar when you need it and just consume a lot of media targeted towards the age group of your ability. This seems to work for some people. Learning in context will get you pretty far.

>>214817315
>1. Your target language
Spanish
>2. At which vocabulary size were you able to understand most texts?
4in that's all I got

YT algorithm recommended me this, it was pretty good. Kind of annoying though when someone is interrupted by the translation. https://youtu.be/mL8dEtVNa7E

ئۈستگە بارىشمىزتىن ئۈمىد بار

Learning a language makes me interested in normie content that I would never watch in English

Don't forget your anki reviews amidst such political turmoil

>using sph audios to input
yea or nay?

>>214829647
This is new to me, I didn't know Anglos mixed up the VAT along a VAP.

>>214829024
Avez-vous un pour français ?

>>214843330
Bien sûr.

>>214827603
Why do we shit so much?

>>214843405
Merci!

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>>214841359
It's bearable for a while because the language learning itself is enough to keep you interested. Once you're really good at the language it goes back to being boring. That's how you'll know you're making progress.

bill clinton is a master of rhetoric and language

apparently Easy French has a dark secret similar to Easy German.
there used to be a third host, Rita, but all her videos were deleted and they act like she never existed and co-founded the channel with them. I saw someone speculate it was possibly due to disagreement over October 7, since Rita was Arab and Judith was Jewish.

started learning danish at the start of covid. after a certain point i mostly stopped learning and just started consuming media. i'm pretty good now, but i still have some difficulties understanding live-action movies which were originally made in danish. i can still get the gist though. any cartoon i can understand more or less without trouble.

i started learning norwegian the other day cause i noticed i could understand it semi-well on some netflix shows. has anyone ever learned a scandinavian language coming from another scandinavian language? i'd be interested in hearing any tips/best ways of learning.

What are some pros and cons between brazillian and italian? I can't decide for the third romance language

>>214848708
>Pro:
Italian
>Con:
Brazilian

Hope it helps!

>street interview language learning videos
why is this a genre

>>214848708
>>214849929
I've decided to go with brazillian, brazil has better future after all

>>214847926
Isn't it hard to find content in Danish?

>>214847926
>i still have some difficulties understanding live-action movies which were originally made in danish. i can still get the gist though. any cartoon i can understand more or less without trouble.
Also nice, that's more or less where I am now with French. It only took me two years, but obviously I had an advantage.

This pp marks intsrumental case and comparation : से

Example :
"वह (subject) मुझसे आगे है"

This pp marks my intentional case for bumping: pp

Example
pp-bump-pp

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

>>214850616
Because it showcases normal language as opposed to textbook language, it also touches on various topics and also showcases a variety of accents typically.

>>214855313
Fapping to your waifu right now

Tocharian posters would probably be great.

>>214818286
Well that's what linguistics is by definition and what you wanted is called here philology as in X language or family philology. Or just X language course, but the value of the latter depends a lot on the level of participants.

I would like to learn Russian, but can't seem myself using it IRL any time soon.

>>214843405
Jumping on the bandwagon, can you spoon-feed me a similar chart on Russian ?

>Japan will follow the UK scenario when it comes to the migration until I learn Japanese
Fuk

>>214860249
Heт. Sorry, comrade.

You can try this path:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/924443921 -- 5k deck based on Routledge frequency dictionary
Assimil Russian With Ease
Olly Richards Beginner Stories in Russian
https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Russian
Read texts using Lute.

Then once you can handle it get into native media.
https://annas-archive.org/
https://old.reddit.com/r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH/wiki/non-eng#wiki_.25BA_russian_.2F_.440.443.441.441.43A.438.439
https://rutracker.org
https://booktracker.org/

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>>214862179
Thanks a lot based spoon feeder anon, this is great stuff.

>>214851704
if you mean because there isn't much content dubbed into danish then you're right, since shows/movies tend to stop being dubbed if they're for an audience older than like 15. there's still some good stuff though, like dbz, avatar, harry potter, etc.

if you mean because it is hard to actually get access to the danish dubbing of shows then yes that can be a bitch. a vpn usually works fine for netflix/disney plus, but there was a long time where danish dubbed dbz wasn't available anywhere.

>>214850616
you get to see a lot of different people speaking normally, and maybe learn a little about the culture

>>214864446
I'm going to play video games in German for the rest of the day today. I deserve it on a Sunday.

>>214865619
>because there isn't much content dubbed into danish
>because it is hard to actually get access to the danish dubbing of shows
Both of these things, t·b·h. This is one of the main reasons I decided to stick with "big" languages, at least for now. I hope one day though I can find those dubs like Avatar in Norwegian without needing a subscription to something.

>>214867541
Welche Spiele zockst du gerade?
Ich spiele wieder Cyberpunk 2077, aber diesmal auf Spanisch.

>>214868291
Heute hatte ich Lust ein pokemon Spiel zu spielen, obwohl habe ich ein paar verschiedene pokemon Spiele dieses Jahr gespielt. Aber vor kurzem habe ich Tales of Berseria gespielt und es hat ein wahre Herausforderung gewesen weil es viele viele Dialog/Zwischensequenzen hat, und ich finde dass ich zehr oft unterbrechen muss.
>Ich spiele wieder Cyberpunk 2077, aber diesmal auf Spanisch.
Nett, ich will ein Tag es ausprobieren.

heartless correction bump
>>214869454
>obwohl habe ich ein paar verschiedene pokemon Spiele dieses Jahr gespielt
obwohl ich dieses Jahr ... gespielt habe
>es hat ein wahre Herausforderung gewesen
ist eine ... gewesen (oder war)
>zehr
sehr
>ich will ein Tag es ausprobieren
ich will es eines Tages ausprobieren

>>214869454
Es scheint, du spielst viele JRPGs. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, wann ich das letzte Mal Pokémon gespielt habe, ich glaube, es war Fire Red auf einem GBA Emulator, wahrscheinlich vor einem Jahrzehnt. Ich bevorzuge meistens FPS-Spiele, um ehrlich zu sein. CP2077 gefällt mir sehr, weil es eine perfekte Mischung aus FPS- und GTA-Spielen ist, die ich in meinem Kindheit meistens gespielt hab, einfach rumlaufen und Leute erschiessen, mit ein bisschen Story und so.

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>>214873118
im on this mission rn

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenuis_lateral_click

Only true, African patriots can articulate this sound.

Bantus couldn't ever.

>>214871142
Danke!
>>214871373
Ja ich habe seit Jungendalter JRPGs geliebt, aber es gibt noch einen Vorteil. Ich verstehe (noch) nicht Japanisch, also ich kann die Stimmen auf Japanisch und den Text auf Deutsch einstellen und dann muss ich den Deutschen Text lesen.
Seit Langzeit habe ich Lust Red Dead Redemption 2 zu spielen, (ich habe bereits das erste Spiel gespielt) aber die Stimmen ausschließlich auf Englisch sind.

>>214873792
imagine mastering all of these

>He hasn't already started YouTube's automatic dubbing feature to watch pretty much anything in his target language.

What are you waiting for? What are you doing?

>>214875368
It's too robotic. I only used it once to watch some Indian guy's video in English.

>>214875315
the only hard ones are ejective fricatives

>>214875368
Is it even accurate?

why does this alif look weird?
لَام

>>214878061
maddah diacritic

>language with 20 vowels
>written in a script without vowels
congratulations Urdu

>>214878421
I meant why is it diagonal, but I guess it only happens when it follows ل

>>214878765
well,it works for them

>>214878061
lambda alif digraph

is crosstalk just a bunch of shite and a waste of time?

>>214879781
It's just a way to get input from conversations when you still don't speak the language.

>>214881284
but couldn't you just watch a conversation unfold then? like a video or something

i want to become fluent in spanish. im at a point where textbooks and guides are not useful but i don't know how to get from this point to fluent

Translated these offenses from an internet post, I theorise that it belongs to a non-orthodox dialect like punjabi, many words I do not regmcognise.

>>214882744
Maybe there is also threat here (?)

>>214882765
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-the-word-randi

He called a woman a prostitute, baselessly.

>>214882600
exposure. use spanish...

>>214882942
how. are there any good spanish youtube channels i can follow?

>>214883075
yes, just look up subjects you're interested in in Spanish. for me, it's booktube, there's always a lot of vlogs to find there, but could be anything

or if the content aimed at natives is still too intermediate/advanced, here are a few I know aimed at learners
https://www.youtube.com/@EasySpanish
https://www.youtube.com/@DreamingSpanish
https://www.youtube.com/@spanishafterhours
https://www.youtube.com/@holamydailyspanish

What's /lang/'s opinion on intermediary conlangs?

Idk how they are "officially" called, but let's say someone is an English speaker and wants to learn Spanish, then a mix of English-Spanish conlang is made, would that help them learn Spanish faster or would the added layer only make the experience worse?

I'm a Portuguese speaker and I'm considering learning something like Esperanto or Interlingua as an intermediary of all romance languages, since I want to eventually learn all of them

>>214817023 (OP)

>>214819777
Development of dobergence from territorial separarion.

>>214858857
Very unknow writting system.

जाओ पहला पेज

>>214883316
>Esperanto or Interlingua
Waste of time, skip that and just learn the romance languages

>>214883316
>would the added layer only make the experience worse?
probably, afaik there's one study that says otherwise but raises more questions than answers
>considering learning something like Esperanto or Interlingua as an intermediary of all romance languages, since I want to eventually learn all of them
waste of time. learn what you actually want to learn and don't bother making plans like this.

>>214883316
Learn tokipona in preparation for transitioning.

>>214886749
>>214888037
>>214888763
That was an example, I forgot to mention. I was just wondering if that idea coupled with AI could become a tool

Very tall, mammal.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%A9

Ugh... Why do you learn the languages you learn? For your career, for emigration, for internet content, for being a sexpat?

>>214889491
>I was just wondering if that idea coupled with AI could become a tool
nah, just learn what you wanna learn. if it's tricky start with baby tier stuff
>>214890058
to be superior to jordie, of course

>>214817023 (OP)
the only portuguese I'll learn is galego
and the only french I'll learn is occitan and there's nothing you can do about it

>>214883308
Thank you kindly anon

>>214890058
I learn Czech for fun

Anyone notice they can easily understand narrators or presenters in their TL but have trouble eavesdropping on a pair of natives next to you in public? I'm curious if the gap is bigger/harder in some languages than others

>>214890058
For fun

>>214890058
To spite the gods.

>>214890058
It's a hobby, bro. You either like doing it or you don't, there's no special secret reason that's going to make it all worth it for you when you simply hate doing the work.

>>214890058
To make the voices stop

ക based malayalam

>>214835451
hsk 7 8 and 9 aexist so people have the level needed for academic articles. level 9 is specifically for academia.
there are 100,000 hanzi/words from combo of hanzi so hsk6 doesn't give you anything near 95% fluency "of everything".
do you know tibia and fibula and a carburetor in hsk 6? such things are within 95% of everyday english. chinese people know more than 5k words and still struggle with chinese.

>>214890058
for fun

Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.
Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?

But why specifically these languages you are learning? What makes them more fun than others?

Every day I wake up and thank God for making pretty Czech girls who want to learn me their language for free

>>214899323
Teach me*
Are you an ESLcel?

Any ideas for ways to practice accent/phonics specifically?
I'd love to have something I can grind like with vocab practice
Anyone have real improvement with shadowing beyond the basic levels?
I'm C1/C2 but goal is to get near native accent in Portuguese

>>214899983
No I'm just Canadian we talk retarded on purpose
Don't correct my English until you understand my culture

>>214898846
>But why specifically these languages you are learning? What makes them more fun than others?
i'm learning latin because it's fun. because it's fun it's more fun than other languages which i'm not learning.

باشقا

>>214858628
the chino...

Good afternoon

>>214843181
Where do you get your sph audio, if you don't mind me asking

>>214883316
I'll probably learn toki pona someday to acquaint myself with troons

>>214902402
mfw i can finally read it (after increasing font size to 300%)
bashqa

>>214832639
>how is it not sustained by science
No Indo-European language has been found
No Indo-European bones have been found
No references to Indo-Europeans exist in any Indo-European culture
>there are connections between Indo-Iranian and European languages. does anyone try to argue it's a sprachbund instead?
The best answer available is the Eurasian languages, mostly, emerged after the Toba eruption.
>>214833476
I believe all European languages descend from the Reindeer herder language which is traced indirectly through European and Siberian cultural artifacts.

>>214875315
Consonants generally emerge in the more violent and diverse an area is
It might be people trying to identify foreigners

Only me that gets incredibly horny from learning languages? This is the second time it happens but as soon as I unlock the ability to string together more complex, coherent sentences, I instantly start imagining myself flirting with women in my head but in my TL. I dont even care about TL women, I just get horny from the idea of speaking the language in a sexual manner. This, as well as knowing how much porn I can consume in the language later on
Just me?

Why is there absolute no interest on the Internet to learn Galician? I am trying to learn this language and it is a nightmare the lack of resources to learn this language

>>214898846
I like the way it sounds

>>214907128
everyone who speaks it can also speak Spanish so there is no demand to learn it

>>214904305
yes altho it's not Arabic
try reading this
بۈگۈن ئۆيدە ئانچە سوغۇق ئەمەس

>>214883316
why be such a pussy and put so much effort into doing useless shit instead of just learning the language?

>>214907128
>Why doesn't anybody want to learn Iberian dialect 30

>>214890058
because i want to. any other reason is silly.

>>214898846
i could replace it with any other language but i decided to pull through with this one so i will do that. it brings me joy and i like it.

>>214907333
today it's getting colder in the village?

>>214908885
it's not too cold at home today

>>214909165
close enough, is that uyghur?

>>214909294
ھەئە
did you work it out from knowing Turkish or something?

>>214909335
yeah lol