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Anonymous Hong Kong No.214883183 [Report] >>214883207 >>214883572
In traditional Taoist concepts, death simply represents a return to the Tao or to nothingness. Therefore, most people, in pursuit of their own path, seek a heroic death.
Thus, due to the influence of Taoism, a strong cult of death existed in traditional Chinese thought in ancient China.
If you voluntarily commit martyrdom, future generations will forgive you for many things. In Chinese history, prominent figures knew their names would live on, either forever in fame or in infamy. Therefore, they sometimes voluntarily committed martyrdom.
For example, the last emperor of the Ming Dynasty was so incompetent that he couldn't even stop starving peasants from storming Beijing.
But he voluntarily committed martyrdom rather than surrender, so he remains highly regarded. The Qing emperors didn't do this, instead paying compensation to the gweilo. Therefore, they are held in low regard.
I like the Kuomintang to a certain extent, though certainly not the current Kuomintang. This is because most of their generals more or less adhered to this principle: they pursued death.
I dislike the Communist Party because they are too utilitarian. They may be successful politically, but they have abandoned traditional Chinese values. They are more like the Yellow Rus*ians.
s United States No.214883207 [Report]
>>214883183 (OP)
This makes me think of 1984 of the eastern faction's "death worship". That's super cool anon.
Anonymous United States No.214883572 [Report] >>214883651
>>214883183 (OP)
>return to the Tao or nothingness
So it's sunyata? Did they just copy Buddhism into Taoism? The first emperor of the Ming Dynasty was a Buddhist vagrant who was also part of a secret society. Since when has Buddhism been traditional Chinese values? They kicked the religion out in Tang and it was consistently regarded as a foreign religion, then the Mongols force fed it back to them (they were sponsored by Venice for some reason btw).
Anonymous Hong Kong No.214883651 [Report] >>214883828
>>214883572
This has nothing to do with Buddhism. When Taoism was founded, its teaching was that one returns to the Tao after death.
Lao Tzu believed that the Tao was some unidentifiable entity, and because he didn't know what it was called, he called it Tao.
Zhuangzi believed that Tao was the opposite of infinite space and infinite time (what we now call the universe). But what exactly it is depends on personal understanding.
Anonymous United States No.214883828 [Report]
>>214883651
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81
>This text emphasizes that true emptiness or Suchness cannot be known through thought since it is free from thought (wu-nien).[108] Shen Hui also states that true emptiness is not nothing, but it is a "Subtle Existence" (miao-yu), which is just "Great Prajña."[108]
Believed in the 'nothing' that had a subtle existence and could only be understood as a 'suchness'. Seems pretty close. Taoism used to be an alchemical practice like gnosticism, Buddhism had no fixation on alchemy at all. What happened to that elemental strain of Taoism that had interest in the material world like Waidan?