Thread 215798571

same as Pakistan is a VERY WEAK country who gets nuked by his own former allies lol

>>215798571 (OP)
The irony is that it's the most reliable kind of hadith (sahih)

>>215798571 (OP)
Dumbasses it's a reliable hadith it's about the prophet's words of teaching to backwards stone worshipping savages in the middle of the desert who approached him for education about Islam

>>215798671
SYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

>>215798620
It's not sahih (authentic), quite the opposite, it's a weak hadith nobody really takes seriously.
Basically if it's not in the sahih books of Bukhari and Muslim nobody cares about hadith, at least as far as Sunnis go. Shia have their own separate corpus of hadith.
Hadith itself is a claim that Muhammed said or did something, and whether that claim is to be taken seriously or not depends on isnad, or the chain of transmission from when it happened or was said, to the person narrating that hadith, often centuries later, if the isnad is dubious in any way then the hadith is seen as weak and is discarded.
This isn't like the Quran where ever word is to be taken as the absolute word of God.

>>215798925
>>215798671
how reliable is this one

>>215798925
The chain of narration is fully authentic. I don't understand why you have a hard time accepting this.

>>215798925
Why did they archive weak hadiths?

>>215798749
Go back to China dog eater
>>215798925
Pretending to be white by calling yourself an atheist won't make you european murtad

>atheist
> way too invested in proving it's a nothingburger.

just like how hindus claim no one eats cow shit and it's not that important but somehow is part of their religion

>>215798964
True hadith this one, it's written Sahih al-Bukhari on the top left

>>215798993
do you take shits facing syria anon? it's what muhammad would have wanted

>>215798967
It's just factually not, it has a weak isnad according to both English and Arabic sources I could find.
Feel free to prove me wrong.

>>215798964
That one is authentic yeah. Sahih al-Bukhari is taken seriously bu Sunnoids.

>>215798975
I don't know, maybe for future scholars to debate about their legitimacy and decide what to keep and what to throw away.

>>215799071
yep there's plenty of funny ones from al-bukhari
as I said in another thread this one is my favorite

>>215799146
How the hell is drinking camel piss an authentic hadith?

>>215799219
islam is retarded, this is one of those parts where it makes no ense
but the whole ZUTT BBC fantasy thing is just retarded
there's plenty of good ways to shit on islam while being correct, this one is just forced jeet shit

>zutting is a VERY WEAK hadith
the zutting is so strong that the only thing weak is the prophet's zussy

>>215799219
the TL;DR is that the two most reliable collections of hadith are sahih bukhari and sahih muslim. there's a branch of islamic studies where people (muhaddith) study these accounts and analyze the chains of narration (isnad) since they were originally transmitted orally and written down a long time after muhammad's death. there's some funny shit in the quran too, like muhammad fast-traveling to jerusalem on a winged creature

>>215799146
still, including it at all signifies scholars traditionally considered it has at least some moral educational value even though we can't say for sure if it is real
that would merely relegate it to the status of a pious folk tale rather than something shameful
it should reignite a serious comparative discussion about ancient vs modern narratives in regards to homoeroticism, but alas we know how likely that is to happen

Why are anons so obsessed about Islam? Seriously I don't give a shit about whatever weird traditions there might be in any other religion yet a thing like that in Islam makes you go nuts

>>215799423
Wait I thought Allah only revealed verses to his prophets like Mohammed

>>215799496
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWW

>>215799498
muhammad was tired of umar being annoying therefore allah revealed the verses to the prophet (wink wink)

>>215799456
The second component of this story, besides its questionable validity in Islamic tradition, is the whole translation and assumption of what it means, people see the word "ride" in an English context and assume it has the sexual connotation associated, reading the Hadith in Arabic I don't get that impression at all. Nobody uses يركب to mean having sex with. It's explicitly used with the words "felt heavy" and "weighed down" in that hadith.

>>215799496
it's very interesting, like someone invented mormonism, but with a ton more flavour, exotic elements, and way more internally consistent so you can get invested
+ homoerotic conan the barbarian style shi instead of ayy lmao space invaders and israelite indians

>>215798925
The fact that the isnad has not been discarded suggests that there's some element of truth to it.

>>215799783
what would even be the classical meaning of it? he went into an arbitration? was bullied by them? something else?

>>215798993
>Murtad

This religion is so funny, especially the part of moses chasing a rock and gave it a beating .

>>215799930
The way I understand it is.

We were in the desert at night and and Momo drew a circle in the sand and told me not to leave it or you're dead, then a bunch of Jinn showed up that looked dark like the Zutt people, no clothes on but I couldn't see their private parts (further suggesting they're not human), Momo spends the night reciting the Quran to them to keep them at bay (some sort of exorcism shit), while they harassed him and rode on top him, they also came to me leaning on me and scaring the shit out of me, until the break of dawn when they went away, Momo felt very weighed down and tired and slept on my lap.

It's honestly not something I ever heard about before so it doesn't have any well-known classical meaning, but looking it up I found debates of scholars doubting its legitimacy or trying to make sense of it. But the consensus seems to be that it's a "strange" hadith.

>>215800367
Feel like something out of an anime.

>>215800367
so a kind of a ghost story to reinforce a belief in his powers to fight supernatural entities?
homo one sounds way funnier lol

>>215800367
The fact that muslims still believe in desert genies doesn't get enough attention.

>>215798993
per capita, there's more atheist in East Asian countries than anywhere in western Europe
lil bitch ass nigga

>>215799783
>>215799275
this has been my point for the past few days, it's obvious that Muhammad (piss be upon him) didn't get sodomized by zuttjeets
Jeets are pamming this stuff from their discord, it's counter-productive
there's plenty of disgusting stuff in the Quran already, like pedophilia being legalized explicitly (like in the Talmud)

>>215799894
It's been discarded as far as I know, Arm al-Bakali which is part of the chain is not confirmed to be a Sahabi (companion of Momo) and so his narration isn't trustworthy.
Hence the lack of authenticity for the Hadith.

>>215800778
>there's plenty of disgusting stuff in the Quran already, like pedophilia being legalized explicitly
Open MS Paint and start drawing. It's not hard at all to make these pictures.

>>215800778
Ton prophète s'est fait ZUTER

>>215800946
Quran 65:4
https://quran.com/65/4
"and those who have not menstruated as well"
in Islam, you can divorce (and therefor marry) girls who haven't started puberty Muhammad also married a 6 years old girl, and fucked her right after she had her period (too lazy to find the hadith)
>>215801030
putain d'attardé, on est vraiment dans la merde

>>215801488
>moi je suis parfaitement impartial, le prophète ne s'est pas fait zuter (sale kouffar va)
>l'islam a plein d'autre défauts, genre... la pédophilie de Mahomet que tout le monde connaît déjà et qu'on pratique encore avec fierté dans nos pays !
>T. PAS UN BOUCAQUE

>>215801030
>>215801774
Holy based

>>215801774
Je hais la race sémites, tout particulièrement nos bougnoules qui nous font chier avec leur religion de consanguin. Je dénonce le Coran (et le Talmud).
>>215801941
gypsy

The Zutt thing didn't happen.

>>215802062
Quand bien même cet hadith serait apocryphe, je vois pas pourquoi tu consacrerais tant de temps à le désavouer si t'étais pas un 'gnoule

>>215800892
If it was discarded, it would have been explicitly labeled as such (which it hasn't), or it would have been lost over time as people would not continue to record it. At best (assuming you're trying to damage control), you can argue it's weak but you can't say it is outright false.

>>215798975
Why did they archive that particular hadith

>>215803090
To show the people that Muhammad has the power to protect them from Al-Zutt (but not himself)
He took one for the team, truly a great man

>>215802641
semantics, a non-sahih hadith is by default discarded from the corpus of hadith you're supposed to trust as a muslim, called sahih hadith
it's found exactly in one book from 1200 years ago, you can't retroactively erase it so it continues to exist there, but you can say it carries no weight

>>215798620
Why would followers of islam will writing something like this?

Either it's true or the whole islam thing is fake.

>>215803278
>Carries no weight.

So this is how it goes.

Quran:
The Quran came from divine revelation, according to Islamic belief, where God revealed His words to the Prophet Muhammad through the Archangel Gabriel. This process began in 610 CE in a cave on Mount Hira near Mecca and continued over the next 23 years until Muhammad's death. These revelations were orally transmitted, and after his death, Muhammad's followers compiled them into the holy book of Islam.

Basically means what God told to mohmmad.

Hadith
Hadith are vital in Islam as a source of guidance, providing context and practical application for the Quran's principles, and serving as a secondary source for Islamic law and ethics alongside the Quran. They offer detailed explanations of religious duties, like prayer, and illustrate the Prophet Muhammad's Sunnah, or way of life, which guides Muslims in their personal and social conduct.

Hadith is what prophet Mohammed did. It's written by his followers who observed his life.

Both are important.

>>215798671
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW

>>215798671
His body hurt afterwards and he laid his head on his friend's lap. Not to mention his friend sat down to protect his butt.
>>215798671
>>215798925
>>215799146
>>215799275
This is a Muslim doing taqiyya, btw.

>>215798571 (OP)
As weak as Muhammed's ass to ZVTTA...

>>215799783
>>215800367
>>215800892
>>215803278
This is a Muslim doing taqiyya.
>>215799050
It's a Muslim doing taqiyya.