Thread 215813697

Did you know that a Polish whore wanted to get the Russian throne in 17 century? But the based Romanovs impaled her ukrainian lover, who was looting and pillaging Russian cities, publicly hanged their 3 year old son and put her in prison, where she died, or according to another version, was thrown into a frozen river under ice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Mniszech

Why are Poles so evil and imperialostic?

We simply wanted a personal Union thoughtbeit, you could have liberal Polish Prince Władysław Vasa as your king.

Instead you've chosen to keep being obedient slaves under Kraut (((Romanov))) boot.

You reap what you saw.

>>215813697 (OP)
Did you know that Russian throne was occupied by Germans since Yekaterina the Second (Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg)?

>>215813697 (OP)
>publicly hanged their 3 year old son
seems like they found the true culprit
he probably spilled all the polish state secrets russian government prepared for him to confess on a pre written paper after a interrogation session

>>215813697 (OP)
>impaled her ukrainian lover
Hang on, i thought ukrainians didnt exist and were purely a modern invention?

did any other countries in europe have false pretenders like russia?

>>215813697 (OP)
I don't feel anything in common with PLC since im a descendant of peasants who were treated by their fellow Polish nobles worse than dogs. Not my history.

>>215813697 (OP)
>publicly hanged their 3 year old son
That's absolutely evil

>>215813889
I have same sentiment about most of Russian/Soviet history

>>215813850
ukraine as a name is a modern invention as it refers to the russian-ottoman borderlands that was important a few centuries ago
a separate culture in what is today ukraine back then was spread throughout a bunch of east slavic ("russian") lands where the local population was exposed to foreign rule or self rule instead of tsarist centralism of moscow so they developed a more divergent culture inspired by their rulers or whatever
most significant place of those was galicia-volhynia, HOWEVER a lot of those places included some which are today a part of russia, but didn't end up in the ole nezalezhnaya and ended up being zerged like everything else in russia (voronezh and rostov included among others)
HOWEVER also a lot of parts of today's ukraine were straight up non ukrainian and got genocided + resettled by the russian government from who knows where, which is why the nationhood and culture of ukraine are a bit more complex than yes or no, but most people are just looking for easy gotchas to prove something they already believe in beforehand

>>215813697 (OP)
>publicly hanged their 3 year old son
Everyday, my hatred of ruZZians grow stronger.

>>215813918
they got the message thats whats important.

>>215813918
you are conflicting the morals of today with the past

>>215814115
in morals of the past it was acceptable to grill roast infants?

>>215814115
if morals change they arent morals. this is why we despise the papists with their doctrinal change based off their own asses. you have too much to learn about the western world

>>215814115
morality is objective, I judge the people of the past with the same moral criteria as I do the people of today.

>>215814161
I hope you're not an Evangelical

>>215814157
>>215814161
>>215814170
this baby was portrayed as a true romanov and his existince was a justification to kill russians and plunder russian cities

>>215814198
I'm reformed

>>215814212
He wasn't the one doing the plundering and killing, because he was just an innocent child, he has as much a right to life as all other people.
>>215814266
>Calvinist
Nearly as bad

>>215814298
explain

>>215814325
Calvinists don't believe in free will, they believe that God intentionally created some people only to punish them. The Calvinist conception of God is unChristian.

>>215814392
>they believe that God intentionally created some people only to punish them
Makes sense

>>215814325
>>215814392
calvin was a publicly known homosexual who acted as an isis style brutal theocratic cult in geneva executing everyone and anyone for trivial reasons

>>215814437
no it doesn't.
>>215814440
Calvin was a piece of shit

>>215813697 (OP)
>publicly hanged their 3 year old son
>hivan is proud if this
and this is why you will always remain a grim shithole

>>215813918
Yes, but obviously If they haven't done it no guarantees he or his imposter would come back to claim the throne 10 years later

>>215814520
proof #1 he was a real romanov
if he was fake they could just always make up a new one, but they knew the russian romanov was the fake one all along

>>215814504
Yes, it does. Why would God create all the bad things in the world if not to punish humans?

>>215814298
true, they should have sent him as a monk or exiled to other state

>>215814440
bullshit. servetus had it coming. anyone would execute his ass
>>215814392
strawmanning much?
you have free will, but you don't have free will to outsmart all knowing, all powerful God. God knows what you are gonna do before you do it because He created time. you are not created to suffer because, at the end, you yourself makes your choices, but God knows what you have chosen. just so happens that the Elected makes the right choices.
if God didn't create them because they would go to Hell before choosing to do what will get them there He wouldn't be all good because stopping life for nothing is not good. genocide4feminists.

>>215814643
>bullshit. servetus had it coming. anyone would execute his ass
it would be justifiable if he hadn't spent literal years sperging about the pope doing the same thing
well at least he didn't double agent pretending to be catholic like luther did
or worse yet knox *yikes*

>>215814643
>just so happens that the Elected makes the right choices.
Are the "elected" the "elected" because of the choices they make? If so, then why are they called the "elected"?
>stopping life for nothing is not good
Stopping life to avert eternal torment is good, creating eternal torment is evil, which is why God would never create eternal torment and Hell does not exist.

Your denomination is an unChristian heresy.

>>215814392
>they believe that God intentionally created some people only to punish them
wtf im calvinist now???

Fun fact about Ivashka the Little Thief (Mniszech's son): the knot was too big for his little neck, so he wasn't hanged properly and was wriggling in convulsions for several hours until he finally died. His dead body was kept hanging at the gallows for weeks before getting buried in an unmarked grave.

>>215814930
Muscovites say shit like that and they get angry when you compare them with mongols

>>215814769
its not the same thing because the pope ordered executions while calvin just got them to the court. anyways, I like his theology, not his personality
>>215814800
>Are the "elected" the "elected" because of the choices they make?
no. no one has merit in their own salvation. its chosen out of the will of God(not random though because a person who is born in a Christian family is more likely to be a Christian and, thus, an elected.)
about the 2nd argument, nothing to say. I'm still starting out so I can't argue about all of it

>>215815052
>Muscovites
>they
You're a muscovite whose ancestors were exiled to Siberia for being criminals though. Oh, I forgot, you're like 10% Kazakh, 7% German and 25% Jewish, an average soviet noviop.

>>215815204
>its chosen out of the will of God
So not of the free will of the individual? so what did you mean when you said:
>just so happens that the Elected makes the right choices.
How can someone choose to be born to a Christian family?
>about the 2nd argument, nothing to say. I'm still starting out so I can't argue about all of it
Why would you commit yourself to joining a denomination if you can't defend its tenants?

>>215814392
>they believe that God intentionally created some people only to punish them


sounds about right

>>215815314
Atleast I'm not 75% Mongolian, 2
15% Tatar, 10% Churkazoid like your average Muscovite)

>>215815349
>>215814872
You can stop samefagging, I'm not that interested in whether or not you agree with Calvinism

>>215815384
>75% Mongolian, 2
>15% Tatar, 10% Churkazoid
Nice description of a urinian.

>>215815388
I am another poster you retarded shamanist with dementia

>>215815427
By moscowian rhetorics Ukranians are Russians, so...

>>215815318
>How can someone choose to be born to a Christian family?
strawmanning again. I said that a person is more likely to be Christian thus(logically) more likely to be elected. Salvation is given by God through irresistible grace which leads to faith.
>Why would you commit yourself to joining a denomination if you can't defend its tenants?
how will I defend it's tenants if I don't commit myself? It's what makes sense for me. I got Ps 139:16, Rm 9:14 as reasons to declare I believe in it

>>215815470
Even so, I don't care that you agree with a heresy

>>215815574
>Salvation is given by God through irresistible grace which leads to faith.
So why does do Calvinist think God refuses to give his grace to everyone?
>how will I defend it's tenants if I don't commit myself?
By learning about Cavlinism, how do you think I know so much about it?
>I got Ps 139:16, Rm 9:14 as reasons to declare I believe in it
Those verses don't support Calvinism in any way. God is omniscient, and he is just, that in no way means Calvinism is right. Because God is just, he will send every Human to heaven.

>>215815739
>So why does do Calvinist think God refuses to give his grace to everyone?
Because he gives it only to the elected.
>Those verses don't support Calvinism in any way
They support. You didn't even care to argue against them because you know that, specially the psalms one.
>Because God is just, he will send every Human to heaven.
We got Ez 18:20 and 1 Co 6:9 against this.

>>215815975
>Because he gives it only to the elected.
So this circles back to my original claim, that Calvinists believe God created some people only to punish them.
>You didn't even care to argue against them
Why would I argue against Bible verse which I believe are true? I'm a Christian, I follow the Christian Universalism of the early Church Fathers, it was only 1600 years later that a heretic in Switzerland started twisting the meaning of those bible verses in an attempt to justify his own heresy.
>We got Ez 18:20 and 1 Co 6:9 against this.
God's salvation and gift of eternal live will overcome the sins of Humans.

>>215815975
>So this circles back to my original claim, that Calvinists believe God created some people only to punish them.
which then I already answered.
>Why would I argue against Bible verse which I believe are true?
argue about how it doesn't prove that Predestination exists.
>God's salvation and gift of eternal live will overcome the sins of Humans.
base it on the Bible.