Thread 215924637

Young impovrished North Africans raised in western europeans ghettos are probably the worst demographics to ever set foot on european soil.

Their entire existence is an identity crisis, they neither belong in their parents countries nor in the country they were raised in.

They are descendants of uneducated villagers that North African nations wanted to get rid of, their entire lineage is being field peasants and workers and their descendance in France are amazon package delivers or fast-food workers.

They have been unleashing their hate and frustration upon western europeans for decades. They either comfort themselves in the most extremes versions of islam (most terrorists attacks in europe were executed by them) or in pure degenerate behavior (promiscuity, drugs, theft, violence, over-eating...)

They rank the lowest in every single mesurable positive metrics, from health to education passing by wealth.

They by themselves raised the far-rights in the top of all polls in a few decades.

They are not to be confused with illegal migrants which is another kind of scum. They are much more damaging as they cannot be deported anywhere and hold entire neighbors/cities.

Do you have something similar in your country ?

>>215924637 (OP)
I thought they were Pajeets at first

>>215924637 (OP)
I literally don't get why the North Africa immigration experiment wasn't immediately halted immediately after this new underclass was created decades the ago. Why do they keep insisting on it?

>>215924637 (OP)
>North Africans
these are pajeets retard

>>215924686
France has ben spoonfed intense immigration propaganda for decades. By the time people realized it was too late and we were already at second and third generations citizens.

>>215924637 (OP)
>Do you have something similar in your country ?
Yeah. Russians.

How is it possible to end up impoverished in Western Europe?

>>215925158
That's a leftist myth. They all earn more than the natives due to gibs and crime.

>>215925158
They aren't impovrished in the same way you can be in a developping nation sense. They are fed and housed, they do not really struggle materially and are never in danger.

But they are the lowest of the national social hierarchy and it build up frustration among them. They cannot afford the latest iPhone or pairs of shoes. They can't rent an appartemet and live at home, they don't have success with women, they cannot interact normally with society as they don't possess the moral or intellectual tools.

They cannot function in society

>>215925158
they arent exactly poor but cant afford luxery + everyone hates them, especially women, including their own women who would rather hop on bwc/bbc
>>215924637 (OP)
the one on the right looks like zutt bvll though

>>215924637 (OP)
>promiscuity
>they don't have success with women
You can't have both. They can't be promiscuous sandcels.

>>215925494
>sandcels
kek

>>215925290
>>215924637 (OP)
in a way im 'jealous' of them for their unbridled disregard for all of societies rules and regulations, they dont care about consequences, decorum, or any of the things that us regular civilians might care about

they act purely on instinct and almost take an odd type of pride in being rejects, they arent part of society, they just live in it, bending everything to their will, enacting rape, murder, theft and all types of low inhib actions

in a way they live more naturally

i wouldnt want to be them but id like to experience being some thug like that, kinda like a uk roadman, japanese yakuza, a favelado or usa hood nigga, just a bit of the ultraviolence

>>215925290
>they don't have success with women,
They should come here then, our women love exotic Arab princes of Persia

>>215925568
Why are they like this. Why don't they date French men.

>>215925627
no they dont lol, they love bbc not sandcels
>t. sandcel

>>215925580
Why doesn't Europe punish crime? Here if you committed a murder or rape you aren't getting out for about 20 years.

>>215925694
europe was a very ethnically homogenous liberal high trust society when all those rules were created in the 20th century, there was no need for such high sentances, in a timespan or 30~ years this complety changed due to mass immigration but the sentances barely changed

>>215925807
Canada was ethnically homogeneous until about 20 years ago. I think our laws are heavily influenced by America though.

Petty crime like shoplifting is legal here now.

>>215924637 (OP)
We had turks, but they aren't as bad.
Tho we are getting arabs and those are just as vile. Arabs really are some subhuman bunge aren't they.

>>215924637 (OP)
Modern day nafris were placed in berber lands as a bioweapon to destroy the local populace. They've always been a pest like this.

>>215924637 (OP)
Nicely written.
There is really something magical about old stock french nafris, i even met a moroccan who lives in lithuania who said he will never step foot in france because nafris there ruined being nafri

>>215926010
>Modern day nafris were placed in berber lands as a bioweapon to destroy the local populac
can u elaborate, i thought nafris are berbers

>>215924637 (OP)
Funnily enough, the worst I ever met were the educated, upper-middle class nafris in France (usually going to Paul Sabatier and shit like that).

Far more subversive than the nafripeasants, poison society at a worse level than the hash-selling poorlets, cry about "muh racism" all the fucking time, huge pushers of leftist degeneracy. Of that group, the absolute worst were the law graduates and Poli Sci graduates.

>>215926139
there are a lot of jew nafris in the upper echelons of french society, they are a real danger
>>215924637 (OP)
funnily enough i never had a problem with them but i think its cuz i look brown (im greek)

>>215924637 (OP)
What do you get out of posting stuff like this? Have you talked to any of them? Or are you just telling us what you think of them?

>>215924686
Why would it be halted? Thinking it's some organized thing is retardtier.

It's more like an invisible hand coming together from a few factors:
>leftist party leadership are in favor as a way to farm future votes + appease their voter base
>Diaspoo-rats + local leftists will chimp out at the mention of halting it and vote accordingly
>Existing immigrant families will "call out" to their family and friends back home, inviting more of them
>These in turn will go to Europe and then call their friends and family, spurring increased immigration
>The retard IQ of muslim countries means the societies are dysfunctional and an economic gradient exists with Europe

The way to fix it is to have the closed borders parties legislating policy to stymie the flow, then internally ramp up societal discrimination to promote immigrants to return.

>>215924637 (OP)
They don't even have BBCs

>>215925471
>their own women who would rather hop on bwc/bbc
There too? Here they like us and latinos, and in France I know they're mostly bbc-chasers

>>215926247
>Have you talked to any of them?
The only interaction OP ever had with those nafris probably happened right before he made this thread. It's a way to cope with his trauma.

>>215926072
>i thought nafris are berbers
More like arab-berber mestizos. I know Northern Algeria has proper Berbers who look Europe (like Kabyle).

That said, the average nafri is ~25% arab, ~10% nigger and 5%-10% Euro.

>>215926206
>cuz i look brown (im greek)

You are brown

>>215926206
Not talking about moroccan/tunisian/libyan jews, I mean muzzie arab-berber mutt nafris, upper-class ones that went to French Lycee/Ecole, etc.

>>215926247
I grew up around them of course I know them. I want people to be aware of this issue so it can be solved.

I always wondered why their national identity is so weak. Like their whole identity seems to be based around being brown and muslim. That's it.

I have my issues with Turks (I'm greek) but at least they were able to create an identity beyond just being MENA and Muslim. Iranians too have an actual national identity. Why do all these nafroids have such an issue with national Identity? Is Allah brown or something?

>>215926738
>Turks
>Iranians
Both countries with a strong secular component.

Nafrica hasn't been secular since the European powers left and islam rebounded with force. Nafrica actually had a relatively good society and economy when the Euros took control and islam shrunk.

>>215924637 (OP)
what are these fruity haircuts lmao

>>215926738
>what is Arab conquest of the Maghreb

>>215926738
They also destroy Roman monuments in North Africa because they consider them shirk and taghut. They hate anything pre-Islamic.

>>215926403
>>215926010
>More like arab-berber mestizos. I know Northern Algeria has proper Berbers who look Europe (like Kabyle).
stop with this berber dickrider bullshits

all nafris are berbers, even the ones that speak arab

and also most of the nafris in europe are actual berber speakers
>It is estimated that roughly 60 to 80 % of the Moroccans in the Netherlands trace their roots back to the mountainous Rif area (Benali and Obdeijn 2005: 211) and speak a Berber language (Douwes et al. 2005: 29). The rest of the guest workers originate from various other regions in Morocco.
>Berbers in Belgium are people of Berber descent living in Belgium. Berbers in Belgium are estimated to number 500,000 people.
>Berbers in France are people of Berber descent (mainly Kabyles) living in France. Berbers in France, who generally call themselves Berbers, are estimated to number over 2 million people.

>>215925627
kys cuck

>>215926805
>>215926470
all nafris are berbers, the problem is BERBERS, look at the mozabite berbers and the typical algerians here, there's barely a difference, stop running pro berber propaganda and objectively wrong obfuscation

>>215924637 (OP)
>stuff migrants in far away ghettos and refuse to integrate them in any way
>be surprised when they grow disenfranchised and secluded from society
>this must be the fault of these coon nigger monkeys

notice how the "iberian" (actually a berber quadroon defending his own kind) always disappears from the thread after his pro berber statements are destroyed?

>>215926926
What? Nafris are objectively arab-berber mestizos.

The fall of nafrica came after the 7th century with the muzzie invasion and posterior takeover+import of a huge amount of arabs and mixing that led to its downfall. It used to be one of the cultural hubs of the world before that.

>>215927038
>t. Mentally ill "italian"
Are you the subhuman that went insane when I brought up Raymond Ibrahim?

>>215927038
>>215927176
The same "italian" that couldn't handle me calling Saladin a little cuck that got plapped by a teenager?

The same "italian" that seethes when someone insults islam?

The same "italian" crying about the fake genocide in memestine?

>>215927089
>What? Nafris are objectively arab-berber mestizos.
nafris are objectively largely berbers, do you have eyes? see how close the "algerian arab" plots to the mozabite berbers and how far it is from saudis? if people that are 80% berbers are not berbers than neither iberians are iberian or italians are italians since italians and iberians are also not 100% iron age iberian or italian

and berbers were objectively not europeans, see where the guanche samples plot? they plot closer to algerian "arabs" than anyone in europe, they were ancient quadroons

>It used to be one of the cultural hubs of the world before that.
it was a revolting shithole

also most of the nafris in europe are literal berber that identify as berber:
>It is estimated that roughly 60 to 80 % of the Moroccans in the Netherlands trace their roots back to the mountainous Rif area (Benali and Obdeijn 2005: 211) and speak a Berber language (Douwes et al. 2005: 29). The rest of the guest workers originate from various other regions in Morocco.
>Berbers in Belgium are people of Berber descent living in Belgium. Berbers in Belgium are estimated to number 500,000 people.
>Berbers in France are people of Berber descent (mainly Kabyles) living in France. Berbers in France, who generally call themselves Berbers, are estimated to number over 2 million people.

you didn't answer this, stop running cover for your own kind

>>215927260
>The same "italian" that couldn't handle me calling Saladin a little cuck that got plapped by a teenager?
nope i don't give a shit about arabs
>The same "italian" that seethes when someone insults islam?
nope i don't give a shit about islam
>>215927176
no idea what you're talking about and who this raymond is

berbers are quadroons and almost identical to maghrebi "arabs"

as expected no answers from the berber quadroon in spain, just attempt at deflecting the arguments by claiming i'm someone else

>>215927300
>berbers are quadroons and almost identical to maghrebi "arabs"
Nafris, I said further up on average they ~10% nigger, with other areas having much higher nigger admixture. They're also admixed with arabs and to a smaller extent, some Euro admixture.

Berbers are the indigenous group and distinct from a regular nafri. Within nafrica they're a minority and aside from some areas, they mostly live in remote towns.

I don't equate the average latino mestizo with unmixed indigenous americans, similarly I don't equate the remaining Berber minority with all nafris.

>>215924637 (OP)
Don't think they're worse than gypsies

My brother is dating a moroccan girl from France. She's sweet and seem really smart. So far my interractions with them has been fine

>>215927447
>Nafris, I said further up on average they ~10% nigger, with other areas having much higher nigger admixture. They're also admixed with arabs and to a smaller extent, some Euro admixture.
so did ancient berbers, hence why ancient berbers plot with modern northwest africans whether they speak arab or berber, see whewre the guanche plot? why do you refuse to address this?

>Berbers are the indigenous group and distinct from a regular nafri. Within nafrica they're a minority and aside from some areas, they mostly live in remote towns.
most nafri "arabs" are genetically mostly berber, most nafris in europe even come from berber speaking populations, still you refuse to address this last point that would destroy your whole argument because berbers would be at fault even ff maghrebi "arabs" were mostly arabs (they aren't)

>I don't equate the average latino mestizo with unmixed indigenous americans, similarly I don't equate the remaining Berber minority with all nafris.
you said original berbers were europeans when they were ancient quadroons that are actually more drifted towards africa than arabs, you still refuse to acknowledge this
modern maghrebi arabs are mostly berber, they're not the mexicans of africa, they're the equivalent of peruvians or bolivians that are mostly native with a bit of european ancestry and people call them mostly native, berbers are the biggest africanizing force in europe

>>215927276
>it was a revolting shithole
North Africa, Asia Minor, and the Levant were cultural hubs and intellectual centers pre-islamic invasion - part of Christendom (proto-Europa).

>identify as Berber
And idgaf what they identify as.

Admixture calculations:
>North Africa Overall: 55% Berber, 25% Arab, 13% SSA, 7% European
>Algeria: 65% Berber, 18% Arab, 12% SSA, 5% European
>Tunisia: 55% Berber, 22% Arab, 12% SSA, 11% European
>Libya: 50% Berber, 28% Arab, 17% SSA, 5% European
>Morocco: 70% Berber, 12% Arab, 12% SSA, 6% European

Mestizos.

>>215927596
>North Africa, Asia Minor, and the Levant were cultural hubs and intellectual centers pre-islamic invasion - part of Christendom (proto-Europa).
they were useless shitholes and we're talking about genetics anyway

Admixture calculations:
>North Africa Overall: 55% Berber, 25% Arab, 13% SSA, 7% European
>Algeria: 65% Berber, 18% Arab, 12% SSA, 5% European
>Tunisia: 55% Berber, 22% Arab, 12% SSA, 11% European
>Libya: 50% Berber, 28% Arab, 17% SSA, 5% European
>Morocco: 70% Berber, 12% Arab, 12% SSA, 6% European
ia garbage

see an actual admixture chart >>215926880 berbers themselves including the ancient ones are part african as much as the maghrebi "arabs" are
also see pic related, the moroc (bouh) (fig) and (as) are all berber samples
>and Moroccan Berber native people from Asni, Bouhria, and Figuig representing the three North African samples
they're identical to other northwest africans, quadroons all the same

>>215927590
>you said original berbers were europeans
Do you see your levels of mental illness? I never said that.

>most nafri "arabs" are genetically mostly berber,
Aaaaand you agree they're mestizos

>still you refuse to address this last point that would destroy your whole argument
What whole argument you retard?
My argument is simply nafris are mutts, akin to mestizos. I don't equate mestizos with indigenous populations.
Second point was reminding the fact that pre-islam the region was a cultural hub.
Third point was that there was a "recent" period of things being better when the European powers were in control.

>>215927596
>And idgaf what they identify as.
indeed, they're all berber quadroons whether they identify as arab or berber

see where the ancient iron age algerian sample plot for example (algeria IA), in the southern part of the modern maghreb

>>215927740
>Do you see your levels of mental illness? I never said that.
yes you did, you implied that berbers were not quadroons

>Aaaaand you agree they're mestizos
no, mestizo is something that is half half, they're mostly berbers, they're more akin to bolivians if you were to make a new world comparison

>My argument is simply nafris are mutts, akin to mestizos. I don't equate mestizos with indigenous populations.
nope, you defended berbers, nafris are bad because they're mostly berbers, they wouldn't suddenly be good if instead of being 75% berber they were 100% berber, in fact they would have been worse

>Third point was that there was a "recent" period of things being better when the European powers were in control.
european powers are not berbers, so european powers doing things better does mean berbers are good in any way, ancient berbers and europeans were extremely different genetically >>215927788

>>215927874
*so european powers doing things better doesnt mean berbers are good in any way

>>215927710
>North Africa, Asia Minor, and the Levant were cultural hubs and intellectual centers pre-islamic invasion - part of Christendom (proto-Europa).
>they were useless shitholes
How insane are you? Holy shit.

Eratosthenes?
Ptolemy?
Euclid?
St. Augustine?
Tertullian?
Plotinus?
Galen?
Strabo?
Heraclitus?
Epictetus?
Herodotus?
Apollonius?

The centers of producing and storing the scrolls in antiquity? Something like 2 million scrolls.
The main centers of educating the Empire's intellectuals?

>>215927902
>How insane are you? Holy shit.
literally none of the people you listed were berbers except st augustine

>The centers of producing and storing the scrolls in antiquity? Something like 2 million scrolls.
>The main centers of educating the Empire's intellectuals?
berber regions were not the main centers of educating intellectuals

>>215927874
>yes you did, you implied that berbers were not quadroons
You are mentally ill.

A comment ago you claimed I said "they're European" (I didn't). Then you switch to "I claimed they were not quadroons".

I'll repeat the key points and you can simply re-read my comments:
>nafris are mutts, arab-berber mestizos
>nafrica, alongside the Levant and Asia Minor were cultural hubs pre-islamic invasion

Now you put even more claims I never said:
>nope, you defended berbers, nafris are bad because they're mostly berbers, they wouldn't suddenly be good if instead of being 75% berber they were 100% berber, in fact they would have been worse

Actually no, I'm perfectly comfortable saying they could be 100% Berber and still be subhumans. The cause of their subhumanity is islam.

>>215925568
Africans get a SMV AoE effect from African American BVLLS
Africans are scrawny and underfed while African Americans have been bred for physical robustness during slavery

I think the best way to show how damaged the nafri diaspora is throught music.

Nafris men in their homeland making music (romantic, uplifting, funny, positive) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFHMS4Sjfqo

Nafris men in Europe making music (crime, theft, murder, terrorism, violence) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n57uLe7Doz8

>>215927946
How retarded are you? I literally quoted you.

I said:
>North Africa, Asia Minor, and the Levant were cultural hubs and intellectual centers pre-islamic invasion - part of Christendom (proto-Europa).

You said:
>they were useless shitholes

Lmao, are you drunk or just addicted to being proven wrong and shown how you lie?

>>215928066
>A comment ago you claimed I said "they're European" (I didn't). Then you switch to "I claimed they were not quadroons"
you claimed they had something more in common with europeans >>215926403
>I know Northern Algeria has proper Berbers who look Europe (like Kabyle).
when kabyle are genetically identical to any other northwest africans and a massive percentage of the nafri diaspora in europe is literally kabyle
>Berbers in France are people of Berber descent (mainly Kabyles) living in France. Berbers in France, who generally call themselves Berbers, are estimated to number over 2 million people.

>I'll repeat the key points and you can simply re-read my comments:
>nafris are mutts, arab-berber mestizos
they are not mesitzos, they are mostly berber as i proved many times

>>nafrica, alongside the Levant and Asia Minor were cultural hubs pre-islamic invasion
levant is not north west africa, asia minor is not northwest africa and Nafrica does not just include northwest africa
northwest africa was a shithole, stop involving populations that have nothing to do with the argument

>Now you put even more claims I never said:
you are defending berbers, you're obviously imply that the situation would be been different if nafris were 100% berbers instead of mostly berber, you're trying to exonerate berbers when they are actually the main culprits in all of this

next time if you don't wont to get btfod again don't defend berbers

>>215928117
nope, we are talking about northwest africa only, and when i said shithole i only meant northwest africa since that's what we were talking about, i have no idea why you would even include all those places, another berber obfuscation

so you don't deny that northwest africa specifically was shithole, interesting

>>215928215
>you claimed they had something more in common with europeans
This is the third time you shift your claim LMAO
I said there are some in Northern Algeria who basically pass a visual test in Europe lmao

It is hilarious how even you contradict yourself, you simultaneously call them Berber and also quadroons KEK.

>>215927874
>mestizo is something that is half half, they're mostly berbers
Once again, you lie between your seething.

Mestizo is mixed, period. From Latin mixticius (mixed).

>they are mostly berber as i proved many times
I literally posted average admixtures, you're the only one contradicting yourself calling them mutts and non-mutts at the same time.


>nafrica, alongside the Levant and Asia Minor were cultural hubs pre-islamic invasion
>levant is not north west africa, asia minor is not >northwest africa and Nafrica does not just include >northwest africa
>northwest africa was a shithole, stop involving populations that have nothing to do with the argument
Beautiful.
Not only did you initially reject the historical fact, but when proven wrong you backtrack into "MUH NW AFRICA" lmaooooooooo
Holy mother of shifting goalposts.

Just take the L, you mentally ill subhuman freak.

You're too retarded to read that I'm saying the islamic invasion was what killed that area, and brought up the historical fact of those areas being cultural and intellectual hubs PRE invasion.

As I said, they could be 100% Berber, wouldn't make a difference and it'll still be a shithole.

>>215928514
>I said there are some in Northern Algeria who basically pass a visual test in Europe lmao
the kabyle are genetically identical to any other northwest africans, extremely distant from europe genetically and a ton of nafris in europe are literal kabyle
>It is hilarious how even you contradict yourself, you simultaneously call them Berber and also quadroons KEK
i don't contradict myself, berbers are quadroons see the aptly called "black" component they score here >>215926880 just like their maghrebi "arab" brothers

>Mestizo is mixed, period. From Latin mixticius (mixed).
mestizo means half half, no one calls bolivians mestizos, so you agree that they are mostly berber?

>I literally posted average admixtures, you're the only one contradicting yourself calling them mutts and non-mutts at the same time.
you posted AI shit without any sources, so no, you didn't post anything, i don't want to repeat it again

let's see what actual studies say:
>Despite the cultural differentiation between Arab and Amazigh groups in North Africa, we have not identified significant genetic distinctions between these populations, in line with previous genetic studies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-60568-8

>Holy mother of shifting goalposts.
nope, it's you that shifted the goalpost by including places that have nothing to do with berbers
so you again don't deny that northwest africa specifically was a shithole, interesting

>Just take the L, you mentally ill subhuman freak.
why should i take the L when i won the argument?

>>215928778
>Differences in the number and cumulative length of long and short ROHs were not statistically significant between Arabs and Berbers (Mann-Whitney U tests p > 0.05), pointing to no correlation between cultural groups and genetic heterogeneity.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982219312412

berber speaking and arab speaking northwest africans are the same thing, they are both berbers that speak different language, no different from a berber that learns french or italian or spanish (probably you belong to this category)