Thread 215967250

>>215967250 (OP)
Lmao

>>215967250 (OP)
Tell me about Slavs, why do they do the fringe.

>>215967250 (OP)
Eastern Euros really be like "using article too much difikult" while having multiple grammatical cases, moods, 3 types of noun inflections, 3 grammatical genders, adjectival declensions, irregular verbal conjugations and noun declensions, and irregular numerals

>>215967250 (OP)
I look like this and say this

>>215967250 (OP)
I don't even know what a article is

Portuguese has this?

>>215967250 (OP)
It's the same for me but with cases

>>215967545
o, a, os, as, um, uma, etc.

>>215967550
It's the same for me but with gender (in nouns)

>>215967545
English: a, the
Poruguese: a, o, as, os, um, uma, uns, unas
Slavs cannot figure out how to use these

Articles aren't really necessary. It's clear from context

>>215967769
It's literally grug speak, pretty appropriate considering its speakers

>>215967250 (OP)
>>215967439
There is literally almost no point for articles in English.
In other languages like French and German they have at least some decent meaning in them.

>>215968166
Why do only Slavs get shit on for this when Nips don't use articles either

Bulgarians have articles, though.
Other Slav languages could import that.

>>215968290
You sure that they don't have troubles with them? I just don't know.
I assume that's because they don't have such features in their language. Meanwhile here this role took conjugations.

>>215968741
Pre-Slavic had some articles too, but they either gone or merged into the language as some particles that aren't used in most of the cases.

>>215968290
timmy to scared to be racist against niggers so he takes out his anger on slavs

>>215967250 (OP)
What the fuck is an article

>>215969232
You just used two

>>215968290
Nobody knows moonrunes languages

>>215967250 (OP)
English doesn't have gendered nouns

>>215967250 (OP)
russian is a grug language

>>215967250 (OP)
honhonhon it le seems that my le superiority has le caused some le controversy

>>215968818
He said Nipponese. Do you think anyone in Europe/NA bothers to distinguish between Hausa and Swahili?

>>215967624
coпa дe мaкaкo yмa дeлиcия

>>215968818
African languages and creoles use way too many bilabial consontants.

>yo ivan there is A drone
>blya i dont underst-ACK

>>215969232
I buy (a) book
In Serbian
Kupujem knjigu

In Bulgarian
Kupuvam kniga - I buy (a) book
Kupuvam knigata - I buy The book

I'm just buying some random book
vs
I'm buying that specif book (that was talked about earlier)

>>215972099
Lmao
>fuck Ar-ACK

>>215967439
We actually have 4 genders

>>215968166
>>215967769
neither of these posts required using articles, nor did this one

>>215971947
>useless words
They give better nuance to texts and are useful to convey information or emphasis things. Just like cases

Westoid Romance languages are dumbed down from their Latin roots, and English from its Germanic roots, becasue they lost their cases.
Meanwhile most Slav languages are dumbed down from pre-Slavic See >>215968791

>>215967250 (OP)
nothing changes if you use articles
so why use them???

>>215967250 (OP)
latin has no articles as well

Feel like we're even more article-heavy than English, except it's often a suffix and no one cares about Scandi languages. We also skip them when they're pointless. You're technically a doctor if you look at all of humanity, but you're more likely doctor.

>"American, go get stuff from car"
>"Huh? Which car? What stuff?"
>"Sorry, I meant to say get the stuff from the car"
>"Oh yea yea, got you bro, all clear now"

>>215972739
without context it's important to clarify, we could be in san francisco
>Go get stuff from a car
>shiiiiieeeet aight man *grabs crowbar*

>>215972905
It's just funny from our perspective, the rib being that if suddenly articles disappeared people would have no idea what is going on.
You need context to figure out what "The" is referring to, but the "The" by itself doesn't carry context.
I guess it's like a pointer to the "last relevant object from the specified category that we interacted with".

"The" does serve as an emphasizer. The whole "Not just any thing, It is THE thing", can't do that without articles.
But "a/an" seems redundant, though obviously it is part of the natural flow of the language and it generally doubles as "any" or "not specific".

People who struggle with articles are mostly those that don't use English much, most of the internet addicted retards on this website should not have any problems with them.
A bigger issue is the whole "the alphabet is completely useless when it comes to determining pronunciation of the words, it is mainly just a song", now that is crazy

>>215972179
We have 5. 3 signular and 2 plural. Group of women is considered a group of objects

>>215967250 (OP)
good post

>>215968290
because "thing, japan" is always le good

>>215971947
they do carry more information, at least in romance languages

>>215973852
wtf that's sexist

>>215967439
articles are retarded and not needed while the stuff you listed is

>>215974513
False dichotomy.

>>215974712
Not him, but you can literary convey the same message in Slavic languages without articles using our counterparts of this, some etc.:
I see a car - Widzę (jakiś) samochód.
I see the car - Widzę ten samochód.

>>215974513
>the stuff

>>215976081
guess how articles came to be in western european languages
"der die das" used to be a demonstrative pronoun just like "ten ta to" (they can still be used in that meaning)
you are giving an example that polish is in the early stages of adopting articles

>>215974513
>while the stuff you listed is
No it's not. We are literally talking to each other without them just fine. Are you retarded?

>>215968229
specificity and definiteness. they are incredibly useful

>>215972034
Africa has like 6+ language groups total and the mb/b/ popped b/m thing is a thing for certain Bantu languages.

>>215974513
>the stuff you listed is
not when the language is analytical

>>215976859
What's funny is that Slavic languages DO have definiteness but they are expressed in other (much more convoluted) ways than articles

Russians will do all of picrel but screech about having to use "the" and/or pretend it's nonsensical. I'm tired of Slav nonsense desu

>>215967597
Genders are easy in Romance languages where they follow a consistent rule of ending in a certain letter = male or female
But German is where that shit goes whack and is a total fucking mess with no pattern or reason

>>215968290
Japan gets away with a lot of shit that others get shit for, e.g. Americans are mocked for being monolinguals with low % of population having passports but the Japanese are literally the same on that

>>215976805
>you are giving an example that polish is in the early stages of adopting articles
I isn't impossible, although Indoerupoean languagesvfrom the satem group seem to not evolve this way, excluding some very minor examples like "yek" (one but also a in Persian) that is still not obligatory to use before indefinite nouns. OK, there is Bulgarian, but their definite article -ta comes from the Balkan league, I guess (Romanian has the same type of article -ul).

>>215977123
>Indoerupoean languagesv
Indo-European languages, sry

>>215972099
kek

>>215976915
>much more convoluted
or simply richer

>>215977340
Ok if it's just richer why are you unable to use something much simpler?

>>215977351
Yea, and then what? Drop the case system? No way

>>215977402
The thread is about Slavs who fail to use articles when speaking English, anon.

>>215976915
> Wikpedia
> Only the bus example is sourced
> Source: a subjective opinion

Articles are infinitely more useful than conjugations or noun declensions. This is simply fact and does not need to be debated, only sagely acknowledged.

>>215967597
>>215967624
Thank you very much

I have a articled language

>>215978179
Is that indefinite-genitive vs.definite-accusative stuff really a thing in Russian?

>>215978353
It's less reliable than the topic-comment structure and determiners. The genitive or the nominative can be used regardless of definiteness. Sometimes it's useful to avoid the syncretism (gen. sg. = nom. pl.). But you can't break the topic-comment structure or use wrong determiners the way you use the different cases.

>>215967250 (OP)
wtf is an article? like a news article?

You are not welcome here, soytroon. Go back to your retarded pedophile shithole and fucking stay there.

>>215974513
>>215967439
Neither articles nor case declensions are necessary.

>>215980706
coal. /qa/ won o algo

>>215967597
>>215967624
>uma

>>215980730
the problem with this is what's necessary depends on what you can conceive as necessary which depends on your experience and preferences
european language personal pronouns are not necessary

>>215980730
Based and sinopilled

>>215981786
>what's necessary depends on what you can conceive as necessary
no it's not. You can falsely conceive things to be necessary that are unnecessary

>>215967434
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oseledets

>>215981532

/qa/? What's that? All I see is a 404 when I try to go there, LOL.

>>215967250 (OP)
Translate "the" then? English is giga-retarded in this regard.

>>215967250 (OP)
Oh, ACK-tually we, Eastern Slavs, HAVE articles. We often use obscene words like "suka", "blyat", "yobana v rot" and "na khuy" in between the words just for nothing. I think this can count as your article retardness.

>>215967545
the smartest brazilian

>>215977402
>Drop the case system? No way
everyone does this eventually. life is a perpetual 5000-7000 cycle of
>inflected language too complex for zoomies
>they drop cases for articles
>analytic language gets too verbose for the new zoomies
>they start tacking shit directly onto nouns to save effort

>>215976805
>"the" is just a corruption of "that"
AAVE-tier behaviour

>>215982905
>Translate "the" then
it means "that". well it used to be the same word but it split off.

>>215983006
wait till you figure out that all weuro article systems are just
>one thing - indefinite
>that thing - definite

>>215967250 (OP)
kek

Imagine you're looking for a specific book on a bookshelf
>I don't see the book
>I don't see a book
these are two very different things, the first means you don't see the specific book, the second means you don't see any books at all

how do languages without articles handle this? "I don't see book" is ambiguous

>>215976915
>Книги
"Я нe вижy книги" - I would say it's more like "I don't see a/the book" and "I don't see the books", because in case of "the books" it would sound like there's should be something attached to "книги" like "твoи книги" "your books".
In case you want to say "a/any books" it would be "Я нe вижy книг".
>Я ждy aвтoбyca
Almost no one speaks like that. You can say "Я ждy aвтoбyc" and it will be a definite or any depending on the context.
>The use of numerals...
Also retarded. You can say the same without "oднoгo" (one) and it would be absolutely the same.
>Word order...
Also means nothing, lol. Both can be understood in the same way, depending on the context.

Overall absolutely retarded thin what you've posted.

>>215982938
>we
Only ultra bydloids do this. They also use such low class words as "batya", "bratan", "khalyava", "chuvak" etc.

>>215978246
You can just specify everything with 'this' and 'that', instead of attaching a stupid useless article which means nothing in most of the cases.

>>215983125
I don't see that book
I don't see books

would be one way to do it

>>215983189
so "that" still exists, but "a" and "the" don't?

>>215983125
>don't see any books at all
you solved the predicament yourself. in this case plural suffices.

in other situations you can indicate definiteness by simply using an extra word, how exactly depends on the language. in my language we have definite/indefinite endings to adjectives so any adjective before the word would work. but in general you can just say something like
>I don't see your book
vs
>I don't see any book

>>215967250 (OP)
Languages with articles and without cases have to have fixed order of words, which makes them absolutely retarded, primitive and soulless.

>>215983194
you don't need to use "that" specifically, it can be
>I don't see your book
>I don't see <specific adjective> book
etc

>>215983194
Yes clearly. This is about articles, not about demonstratives.

>>215983182
what do you think "the" means

>>215983205
fixed word order is objectively superior because it's significantly more efficient for training AI.
>b-but AI bad because slop
peak midwit. yes the transformer architecture can handle languages which permit every kind of special snowflake word order but it makes everything far more complex and inefficient

>>215983194
Yes. And even if you specified the book in the previous context, you don't need to specify it with "the" or "that". It's like you would say to a librarian "I'm looking for 'War and Peace' by Tolstoy', the librarian guides you to the shelves and you be like "I don't see book".
You can't figure out about which book is being said right now? There is no books, or you looked for something else, despite saying that you're looking for a certain book?

>>215983194
wait you thought languages without articles don't have demonstratives? what a fucking troglodyte

>>215983248
>>215983223
i wasn't aware there was a difference, i was just asking

>>215983229
Yeah, but I don't say in my language every word with "that". It's just retarded.

Swedish likes to use definite (the) to indicate possession, like saying "he has a scar on the arm" instead of "he has a scar on his arm". Swedes overuse "the" sometimes for that reason.

>>215983262
You learn nothing in school?

>>215983405
yeah we use it that way too