Thread 215983862

What is the university entrance rate in your country?
In Japan.
54.3% male, 51.6% female.

I asked the AI and it wasn't clear enough, so can you tell me?

>>215983862 (OP)
around 70 percent

>>215983890
I thought it was around 90% in Korea

36.4% go to university

is it the percentage of all people attending university or the percentage of people that are admitted after applying?

>>215983928
Percentage of high school graduates who go on to university

>>215983973
dont have numbers for that
best i can do is:
in the age group 25-34, 58% of women had a degree and 40% of men had one

>>215983862 (OP)
>>215983890
>>215984239
are you memeing or are you including vocational schools in these figures?

>>215984271
Vocational schools are not included in Japanese statistics.
But junior colleges could be included, which might affect the statistics for women
I think it is almost rare for men to go to junior college.

>>215984568
I find it very hard to believe 50-70 of japs have a university degree

Does university mean something else there? Does a nurse go to university? Or a graphic designer?

>>215983973
49.5% of Swedes go on to university after high school.
54% of women have a university degree.
40% of men have a university degree.

>>215984935
Nurses, nursery teachers, carers, etc., both those who qualify at university and those who qualify at vocational schools.

>>215983862 (OP)
Key trends in high school-to-college enrollment
A recent slight increase: The 2024 enrollment rate is a small increase from 61.4% in 2023, though it remains below the pre-pandemic level of 66.2% in October 2019.
Disparity by gender: In 2024, enrollment differed significantly by gender, with 69.5% of recent female high school graduates enrolling in college compared to 55.4% of male graduates.
Enrollment by institution type: Of recent high school graduates who enrolled in college in October 2023, 74.6% attended a four-year institution, while 25.4% enrolled in a two-year college.
Racial and ethnic variations: In 2019, enrollment rates for recent graduates varied by race and ethnicity:
Asian: 82%
White: 69%
Hispanic: 64%
Black: 57%
Declining trend from earlier peak: The immediate college enrollment rate for new high school graduates has declined since its peak of 70.1% in 2009.

>>215985176
yeah then we're talking about different things.

University is for theoretical research degrees.

>>215985773
What? So where the fuck do engineers and such go?

>>215985789
There are technical universities that offer degrees that qualify you for engineering work but also colleges (hochschule)

>>215985897
Hochschule is for shit like plumbing. I’m talking about stuff like electrical engineering where you learn circuits or aerospace engineering where you learn flight dynamics.

>>215985958
University obviously. Are you retarded?

>>215986000
So what part of circuits and flight dynamics is theoretical? Theoretical means working with Maxwell’s and Navier-Stokes equations, not building circuits and testing designs in a windtunnel.

>>215986103
>So what part of circuits and flight dynamics is theoretical
This part:
>working with Maxwell’s and Navier-Stokes equations

>>215986169
>enginiggers working with field equations
nigga please. Most they ever do is boundary-value problems kek.

>>215986236
And you think you learn about those in hochschule?

>>215986284
No, you massive retard. University isn’t just theoretical research. That’s a very small niche even in chemistry and physics departments. Even math departments are 50/50 pure/applied these days.

>>215986334
applied... research.

I finally understand your spastic posts. You made the retarded rebracketing mistake of think "theoretical" was a modifier of "research" instead of of "degree".

woooooow you're very stupid!!!!

>>215986388
Research isn’t necessarily theoretical, yes. Most research is applied. I can tell you’ve never done research yourself.

First-world countries with low tertiary education enrolment rates are setting themselves up for trouble. They’ll soon rely almost entirely on short-term migrant labor to keep their economies running

>>215986465
It’s the exact opposite. Natives all get uni degrees and then there’s a massive hole in the vocational job market that only immigrants are willing to plug.

>>215986417
>Research isn’t necessarily theoretical, yes
Yes, exactly. You got it now!!! good boy!!

>>215986515
>still coping
You lost, get over it.

>>215985897
>>215985773
engineers go to university in most of the world

you can only get tradie certs in vocational schools, an engineering degree is typically just as if not more involved as an academic bachelor's. it also qualifies you for master's degrees directly unlikely vocational certs
>>215984935
it's pretty normal in much of the world for uni degrees to be dumbed down for very high enrollment while still technically remaining university degrees

>>215986388
stfu retard I personally know Dutch people who do applied research at Dutch universities. faggot.

>>215986562
this. the dishonesty in most fields is baffling. like talking to a late aristotle, but without the debth or anything... shame really

>>215986487
That's because your country generously give out gibs to stubborn degree holders who won't do low-paying jobs when their ideal white collar positions are not available

>>215986535
What did I lose? It took you 5 posts to figure out something that was obvious from context?

Why are you even in a thread about universities if you clearly have never set foot in one?

>>215986562
We have engineering universities and engineering degrees from non universities (hogeschool). It seems many countries don't make this distinction so their numbers seem inflated.

>>215986627
No, that’s because most people don’t actually need university degrees. Universities should be places for academic research only, not some boot camps for future employment. Realistically, only 10-15% of men and 0% of women should attend uni. The modern phenomenon of every dumb roastie getting handed a diploma only worsens education quality to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

>>215986632
>engineering degrees from non universities
most countries don't have enough higher education institutions to do this. pretty sure all our 3-4 engineering schools also technically offer PhDs so they're universities

>>215986690
I agree with you. In this day in age, really intelligent people who want to learn analytical skills should learn at home with the help of AI and sit nationally recognized qualification exams in lieu of a bachelors degree from university. If higher education is cheap to obtain this way, then intelligent people would be more willing to do vocational jobs during hard times when there are no office jobs.

>>215986876
>learn at home with the help of AI

>>215986904
Well, human teachers and university professors don't come cheap.
If you expect employers to educate and train new people in the workforce to the same level of universities, you will experience too many small scale inefficiencies.

>>215986904
learning on your own is perfectly fine and what most students end up doing anyway. so long as you have to pass an exam and hand in the assignments. Lectures are by and large useless in most subjects.
>>215987043
AI is the single most intellectually dysgenic invention there has ever been. gen alpha will not be able to do anything in their heads

Companies expect you to work hard, so they want a university degree
It is not for academic knowledge
Companies will not judge someone who didn't study hard at school as someone who will work hard at their job
Workplaces that used to have no problem without a university degree now require one
This is because they judge you as an insane person who didn't dare to go to university at a time when it is recommended to do so

>>215987133
>>215986904
>learning on your own
should specify that this assumes you have access to things like lecture notes and worked examples

>>215987162
AI is very good at highlighing and explaining the holes in your reasoning that is bringing you to the incorrect answer in a problem. AI uses simple language to help you understand, whereas textbooks, at least in English, may use difficult words and concepts you're not familiar

>>215987309
AI is also very good at conjuring up bullshit and making basic mistakes. If you know anything about the topic you’re inquiring about, you would spot them immediately. If you don’t, then congrats, you just absorbed a bunch of erroneous bullshit like a true jeet.

>>215987435
So far, the only thing AI got it wrong for me is 90s TV trivia. Perhaps AI hallucinations is a symptom of the generic algorithm sifting through so much misinformation. What if we had specialized AI and only gave it a set of closed verified data, facts and information like a certain field of academics, like biology?

>>215987625
Now try something serious like asking algebraic topology questions.

>>215987642
Yes, with a product that is specialized in doing math, not some generic language based models

>>215987625
>>215987309
If you don't see AI constantly making shit up it's because you don't understand the topic

LLMs routinely do shit like invent sources that do not exist, or write code that solves a typical problem rather than the atypical one you asked it to solve. And the only way to tell is being able to determine the truth yourself

what AI is good for is as a search engine in fields you don't know the keywords for, or generating first draft versions of bullshit text that you either don't care about or will edit later when you see all the shit the AI got wrong

>>215987786
If you have any basic understanding of LLMs, you would know that no such thing as “specialized” LLM is possible for math. ChatGPT has a python script for adding numbers ffs. You cannot make a probability-based algorithm do basic addition no matter how many chinesium bot farms you use to run it on.

>>215987786
LLMs are trained on fuckhuge amounts of uncurated data. Instruction finetuning and RLHF only shifts their tone and preferred mode of interaction, it doesn't improve the raw prediction capabilities of the model

>>215987144
>Companies will not judge someone who didn't study hard at school as someone who will work hard at their job
That's only like Japan. Companies in the West actually emphasize on the academic grades of its entry-level candidates, Hiroshi

>>215987858
Is there a need to discredit LLMs because it can't do simple arithmetic? I dunno because of my Japanese upbringing, but doing mathematical calculation is easy to learn and do. If you need a computer to do simple math for you, then you probably shouldn't be doing anything related to math.

>>215983862 (OP)
no clue probably a lot since it's free if you get bare minimum grades most degrees here are junk anyway unless doc, informatika, etc.

>>215988111
Yes, when it comes to math. Relying on something that cannot reliably add things to "do research" in something like mathematics is beyond retarded.

>>215987845
>what AI is good for is as a search engine in fields you don't know the keywords for, or generating first draft versions of bullshit text that you either don't care about or will edit later when you see all the shit the AI got wrong
You somehow left combing over vast amounts of data and computing work that normally would take years to do in many research fields.

>>215987922
>Companies in the West actually emphasize on the academic grades of its entry-level candidates, Hiroshi
No one gives a shit there either. If you have amazing grades but can't function in a corporate or research capability you might as well have done nothing.