Thread 215991393

Chopin Competition Edition

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>Share language learning experiences!
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>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
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Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

buenas dias

¿Dónde está el baño?

What are the cons of trying to speak with the British accent instead of the American one?

I just played Slay the Princess and the British accent of the male voicer sounds so much better than the American accent of the female voicer so I'm confused once again. It does sound more elite.

>>215992793
>>215992853
post a vocaroo using the British accent

Here are this edition's finalists. The languages of piano in 2025 are:
Polish, English, Georgian, Japanese, Chinese, Malay

>>215992853
Brits and muricans both have high and low class accents

Ive only been using anki for studying french and it's obviously not been helping, should i switch to spanish or drop anki and immerse? anki helped with other languages but not french. immersion vids are too hard for me

I think I'll start reading Harry Potter today

>>215993656
be specific about how you have been using anki for french, how you used it for other languages in the past, and it which ways it has or hasn't helped
>should i switch to spanish
idk but this is not a good reason to do so

>>215993656
https://archive.org/details/jensen-arthur-le-francais-par-la-methode-nature
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhdIS7NMcdUdxibD1UyzNFTP

>>215993301
What to read?

I finished listening to Pimsleur Modern Standard Arabic Unit I today. I'll keep listening to the rest 2 units, but I need something else like videos, series or an app. What would you suggest?

>>215993705
exact same style i used for russian, word on front definition on back
>>215993708
ty

Need to learn Hungarian and German within two years or it's over for me

>>215994005
Warum?

>>215994199
Got Hungarian citizenship and I need to get a job in Austria and retire in Hungary

>>215993379
>Malay
he's Malaysian Chinese and there is a 90% chance he can't speak Malay

>>215994640
He is a poor boy from a poor family.

bump mah thread

>"Tong xi men hao. Tong xi men xin khola
What is he saying?

>>215997305
同志们好 同志们辛苦了
Hello comrades, you have worked hard

>>215997442
Do you ever shock natives with your Chinese?

>>215997650
Yes sometimes (the red one is me, you can put this through Google translate. It was on a post of a girl drinking cream when she thought it was milk)
Irl it gets annoying when people bombard you with questions after you say one word of Chinese so I don't use it that often apart from eavesdropping on Chinese ppl who love to gossip in the loudest voice possible in the middle of the street

>>215997754
>eavesdropping on Chinese ppl who love to gossip in the loudest voice possible in the middle of the street
Is it very common? I live around Chinese and I am a regular in some of their businesses and I wonder if they ever talk shit about me or have a nickname for me lol

what are some russian learning resources

>>215998522
Yes if nobody spoke English around you then you'd gossip all the time as well and make comments about other people (I know this because this is what English speaking expats do in Asia as well as what Chinese speakers do in the west)
They can't tell white people apart easily so maybe you don't have a nickname

whyd I learn this language its too hard

>>216000038
what exactly is hard about it, besides unfamiliar lexicon?

>>216001250
not being a faggot is the hardest thing for him
the entire point of learning an asian language is because its systems are way different from ours which are heavily based on latin and german. i dont get what this nigga was expecting

they weren't joking...

>>216001250
>how do you say "do" or "to do" in english?
>do, done, doing, did
cool
>how do you say it in korean?
hada, hae, haeyo, hamnida
handa, haneunda, haenda, haetta
haesseumnida, haesseoyo, haessda
haera, haebwa, haebwayo, haebonda
haebonna, haebwassda, haebwassseumnida
haebwassseoyo, haeboja, haeboseo, haeboni
hago, hagi, hagie, haneun
haneunji
hanenda
haneunda
hal
halgeoya
halgeoida
hagetda
hagena
halka
hamyeon
hamyeonse
hamyeo
ham
hamyeonseo
hamyeonseo-do
hamnida
hamnigga
handago
handora
handago-hae
hani
ham
haejulge
haejuseyo
haejusibsio
haejum
haejugo
haejun
haejunda
haejwosseumnida
haejwosseoyo
haeya
haeya handa
hajima
hajimaseyo
hajimara
hajido
hajianna
haji anhda
hajianhae
hajianhaesseo
haji anhassda
halyeogo
halyeomyeon
halyeoni
halla
halleoni
hallae
halge
halkka
halkkayo
halkkaji
hanyeo
hanyeoseo
hanyewa
hage
hagesseo
hageoya
hagena
haneunde
haneunde-yo
handamyeon
handaneun
haneunbari
harago
hareugo
haramyeon
harasu issda
hal su itda
hal su eopda
haetda
haebwatta
haebwatda
haebwatneunda
haeossda
haeonni
haengoya
haengoseo
haendo
haeseo
haeju
haejwo
haejweo
haejweoyo
haejwo

>>216002499
Difficulty doesn't matter

>>216002499
there's no reason Finnish, Hungarian or Turkish should be in different category, Korean was lumped together with Chinese and Japanese and belongs to IV instead

>>216002980
japanese is easier than korean. japanese is much clearer phonetically and the particles are more distinct from the root word. studying japanese after korean genuinely feels the same as turning down the difficulty level in a videogame

have you perfected your english?

>>216003226
No

i learned german purely for the shanty rock and i don't regret it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bxSPGdKSQ4

>>216003226
No need

>>216003110
It's probably slightly easier to learn Japanese to fluency, because of modern technology. Nevertheless Japanese presents a much steeper curve to surmount at the first half of the journey and it's also harder to maintain.

Is there a hobby more autistic than this?

>>216004703
yes plenty

>>216004703
This is like the most extroverted and normie hobby imaginable?
It's not like we're learning Sanskrit here.

>>216004789
Is there a hobby more autistic than learning Sanskrit?

>>216004789
>It's not like we're learning Sanskrit here.
Pro temetipse loquere.
(Sed fateor, nondum eam disco hoc tempore.)
>>216004971
Multa in hac lingua scripta reperiuntur, variae mortuae linguae Orientales corporis pusilli (ut Sumerica) utique autisticiores sunt.

>>216004789
>This is like the most extroverted and normie hobby imaginable?
thats sports and drinking at bars

nowadays 'extroverted/normie' doesnt make sense anythoughmorehowever. most people are at least mild shut-ins now. being an extroverted social butterfly who loves life and likes going outside and meeting people is the non-normie minority

>>216005282
There are language exchange events where people meet up to drink and talk. These happen very regularly in all of the world's worthwhile cities.

>>216005402
most of the people in this thread just watch youtube and do anki prob

>>216005521
I mostly watch twitch and do anki actually

>>215993891
>exact same style i used for russian, word on front definition on back
well, I don't see why it would be different for french desu so I guess I can't help you. however if you want to learn absolute baby tier french so you can work your way up to immersion vids, you can always read children's stories and translate each word you don't know

>>216004971
Yes. Learning pre-Pāṇinian Vedic with full accentuation, then memorizing the Aṣṭādhyāyī sūtras in metrical order and actually deriving forms by explicit rule enumeration. “Sanskrit” as taught to humanities undergrads is a light, deodorized version

I have the C and the J to a good enough level for my goals (HSK4 and ~N3/N2).
Should I learn the K to complete the trifecta of popular asian languages despite not really caring about the peninsula at all, or should I learn a SEA language (mainly Vietnamese or Indonesian - dont care about the others if I am honest) ?

>>216005860
> a good enough level for my goals (HSK4 and ~N3/N2).
What are your goals? What can you really do with HSK4?

>>216005742
Is that what you're learning?

>>216005891
My goal was purely to get to a point where I can comfortably learn and maintain them purely from input.
That was achieved. Anything more seems rather pointless, as I do not intend to ever move there.

>>216005934
Okay, it's just that I'd think those would be too lower for (native at least) input. I was under the impression you'd have to constantly look up words at HSK4 to get the meaning of sentences.

>>216005860
>>216005934
Indonesia, definitely. there's tons of indonesian content & online presence and it's a relatively quick language to pick up. I also quite like indonesians, I have a number of indonesian gaming buddies and they're very chill

>>216006122
From my understanding the people don't really speak pure Indonesian - instead a mix of Indonesian and whatever local language like Javanese.
That kinda puts me off learning it, but it does look really easy if you neglect that fact.

>>215993656
My friend had great success with a video course called French in Action or some shit. Quite cool. You can find it online for free.

>>216006253
I don't speak it fluently but iirc 90% of online content is jakartan indonesian, and the differences between dialects aren't that profound (maybe like the difference between a highlander and a texan)

>>215998522
Everyone does this, even when it's very questionable. I've seen Mexicans do it with Spanish despite living in places with a lot of Hispanics. If it's a language that you can be really confident no one in an entire stadium knows, you'll be ultra brazen with it.

>>216004971
>>216004789
language learning is extroverted and normie
alg gooning and anki reps are the opposite

>>216005521
Actually I watch anime and do anki

time to ankigoon on the exercise bike
>>216005577
this

>>216007515
I see my mistake, I chose an autistic language and use autist methods to study it

Listening to some of the official South African languages is so interesting, I didn't know they actually made clicking noises with some of the words. Even just trying to pronounce "Xhosa" made me think I was going to have an aneurysm. Are there any anons here learning one?

>>216007974
nobody really learns them because those people can speak English
in South Africa people hate learning other languages
my dad grew up there and he hated Afrikaans so much that he deliberately failed exams

>>216007515
Language learning is a hobby girls find attractive. Language learners fuck.

>>216008037
Damn. This English/Afrikaans girl in this video I'm watching was saying Afrikaans is probably the easiest of the 12 to learn, too.

>>216007974
that particular click sound is quite easy to do. i sometimes practice click sounds for fun, it also adds good comedic momentum to racist jokes. but no, i wouldn't care to learn xhosa, swahili on the other hand is very interesting to me
>>216008098
lindie botes? also yeah, afrikaans is dutch (simplified) but it has some really unique quirks and i find it generally to be quite a pleasant language. funnily enough, spoken afrikaans is harder for me to understand than spoken dutch.
one thing that boggles my mind with afrikaans is that they do double negatives, but not in a way i've ever seen before:
>A particular feature of Afrikaans is its use of the double negative. For example,
>Afrikaans: Hy kan nie Afrikaans praat nie. (lit. >He can not Afrikaans speak not.)
>Dutch: Hij kan geen Afrikaans spreken.
>English: He cannot speak Afrikaans.
they just append another "no" to the end of the sentence for good measure. it seems so unlikely to me that this would happen in a language that i never considered that's one way you can do it... for whatever reason...
>Ek het nie geweet dat hy nie sou kom nie.
i mean based, but seriously man, why...

>>216008366
>lindie botes?
Nop, some World Friends cast member.
https://youtu.be/V78tN9As5Lo?si=VQJtqDvuIBkkMpNC&t=1111
That "extra no" thing is pretty interesting, but I'd definitely get it fucked up and think it inverses the whole sentence kek

>>216008519
>Hello hoe

>>216003658
Santiano is kino
just 4 chaps making music

>>215993891
when i was learning german i always used a full sentence for any given word. if a word had difference uses i woudl use several sentences for the same word

it's because i'm retarded

>>216009036
for me it's
>phrase: phrase in context
in both languages, study each both ways. my goal is to recall the equivalent phrase in the other language.
definitions are gay. you only need a little context

>>215991393 (OP)
Sucuri, pls reach out

>Knowing an English speaker wrote this without a dictionary or reference with little to no struggle, what level would you expect him to be at in Polish?

Judging by the photo, the writer’s Polish is quite strong — around B2 (upper-intermediate) on the CEFR scale, possibly even approaching C1 in writing comprehension.
Here’s the reasoning:

Strengths
• Grammar control:
Uses correct cases and verb forms most of the time (e.g. “[redacted]” — perfectly natural).
• Natural phrasing:
Expressions like “[redacted]” and “[redacted]” sound fluent and idiomatic.
• Spontaneity:
The flow of thoughts feels natural and unforced — something an advanced learner can only do after a lot of exposure.
• Style awareness:
The tone shifts smoothly between reflective (“[redacted]”) and casual (“[redacted]”), showing good command of register.

Small hints of non-nativeness
• A few slightly off or mixed structures (e.g. “[redacted]” might more idiomatically be “[redacted]”).
• Occasional unusual phrasing or missing diacritics, but nothing major.
>there are no missing diacritics, just shitty handwriting
• Handwriting suggests thinking in Polish rather than translating, yet there’s a faint trace of English sentence rhythm.

Estimated level
Skill CEFR
Reading C1: Understands structure and idioms
Writing B2–C1: Can express nuanced thoughts naturally
Speaking (likely) B1–B2: Written fluency often exceeds spoken
Listening B2: Can probably follow native speech with some effort

In short: the writer is a confident, independent user of Polish — likely B2+, possibly C1 in writing, especially impressive for someone working without a dictionary.

I bet that serb who cries and pisses himself about "meme languages" can't even read in one of the 17 "non-meme" languages like french (lol) that he claims to be learning. I'm so far ahead of you normies, it's unreal. I've reached a level where learning becomes effortless and /lang/ becomes useless. Suck my big, fat penor

>>216011186
>I've reached a level where learning becomes effortless and /lang/ becomes useless
so in other words you've jumped the hurdle that separated A1 from A2 kek. /lang/ was always useless and language learning should always feel effortless.

>>216011240
>he thinks that natural learning starts at A2
Holy Dunning-Kruger effect...

>>216011258
pray tell, where does it start? when you know nothing? or are you implying that you need to reach a high level first? you don't need to btw

>>216011314
Not an argument
Poleleaf won

>>216011314
How's German going for you? Lololol...

>>216011335
When you start thinking in TL (and you probably aren't)
If you are using Anki or any material aimed at learners, you are not there, not even close.

>>216011337
Guess what? My DNA test was updated and I'm part Polish. I had it in me all along...

>>216011359
I'm glad you've reached a high level in polish and you've found things that work for you but what you're claiming is not true

>>216011412
I used to think the same thing as you. It just hasn't clicked for you yet.

>>216011424
there are plenty of noobs thinking in broken TL and learning little by little with CI. no anki, no materials aimed at learners. what you're claiming isn't true. and it's not a flex anyway

>>216011497
You're purposely misunderstanding the point because you don't know what it's like for it to click yet and you're defensive over this. I've always said learning a language was easy, at every language, like you are saying. But past a certain point, it's entirely different.

>>215991393 (OP)
There are a lot of Haitians around where I live. Will I be able to talk to them if I learn French, or would I have to learn Creole?

If you have to distinguish material by whether it's "comprehensible" input or not, you are not there. There's no native-level content that is incomprehensible or even challenging to me.

>>216011566
you're just telling me to ignore my own experiences and success. not everyone is like you.

>>216011640
Then it's time for a new language

>>216011589
I'm a french speaker and I understand very little haitian creole
A lot of short phrases are similar enough but I wouldn't expect any meaningful conversations

>>216011646
I hope you will get it one day, but if you came into language learning like "I gotta learn some language so I might as well pick the most spoken one", then you won't.

>>216011663
I will keep going until I'm indistinguishable from a native Pole.

>>216011762
Why aren't you living in Poland yet?

>>216011795
I'm homeless right now. It complicates things

>>216011589
They aren't mutually intelligible at all, you'd have to learn Creole

>>215991705
Mandy

bump

God I hate Japanese so much
Why couldn't I have just studied Classical Chinese or German instead?

>>216011802
>same, ive been on and off homeless for a few years. i'm unironically trying to speedrun my languages up to competency so I can do online english tutoring for speakers of those languages and live for cheap traveling around SEA

Any other apps i should get?

I can't stop staring at the girl in OP's picture? Why am I so broken by pretty asian girls?

>>216011802
same, ive been on and off homeless for a few years. i'm unironically trying to speedrun my languages up to competency so I can do online english tutoring for speakers of those languages and live for cheap traveling around SEA

>>216013178
You still can, the world is your oyster

>>216013349
meh after reaching a certain age you have more stuff to do with less time, you don't learn quite as fast as before, and its depressing because youll be visibly older by the time youre done

they need to hurry up with the cellular anti-aging shit so everyone can be in their biological 20's for 30 years

>>216013463
Loser mentality

>>216013463
True. However, Im getting older regardless. Might as well do stuff I want to do. Aging is the most depressing thing about this reality but its a separate issue from hobbies like language learning. We will get old whether we do it or not so might as well do it. And maybe we luck out and still look alright by the end of it

Is there any reason to learn Germany in 2025?

>>216013707
it's very easy to learn, has lots of literature and content, and is still one of the most useful languages career-wise

also i like rpgs and they sound cooler in german than in english

>>216013795
i've been to germany before and the germans spoke english better than the black americans

>>216013707
Do you want to? There's your reason

I know Ill probably never have the time but I really like of reaching at least basic conversation with Mandarin, Japanese, and Korean. The big 3. Mandarin is seeming easier the more I look into it

>>216013940
*really like the idea

>>216013940
if you get either korean or japanese to a high level of fluency it makes the other one much much easier to learn

>>216013940
The problem with Mandarin is all the content China makes is dogshit so you have to subject yourself to hundreds of hours of shit tv for input.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcaicam_Esperantom

I like this better than real Esperanto.

>>216014075
take that back

>>216014075
They make dark and depressing festival films like nobody's business, however. It's like all the film school talent in China goes towards producing the grimmest motion picture possible.

Stop posting jobbers and post a real gangsta

>>216014075
Only their TV genuinely all sucks
Some of the films are quite good (but the majority are trash)
And there are lots of good books and novels
You also have Taiwan if you really can't stand the commieslop

>>216015369
I still can't mentally join HK cinema of late 90s - early 00s with mainland Chinese cinema. I know Chinese themselves do it and they're technically right with things released after the handover, but the tradition involved in the filmmaking is very different. Like Stephen Chow's comedies for example, building on Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung's style rather than China's stuff of the period, or Wong Kar-wai building something that's closer to his Taiwanese contemporaries.

>>216015277
This is because during the 90s and 00s censorship standards were very strict and private funding for films didn't exist in China. If you wanted to make a film you either had to make nationalist/patriotic stuff to get party funding or make a film that foreign audiences would pay for.
So filmmakers basically specialised into the festival market and made stuff like Suzhou River that turns the poverty porn up to 11 so the westies would lap it up

>>216015512
Also, mainlanders have to watch dubs of those films lol

hej

>>216015563
läget

>>216015576
det hänger och dinglar. själv då?

Is it just me or is German really confusing and difficult?
It's got fewer cases than something like Russian, but Russian doesn't have articles that change

>>216013940
I like to fantasize about doing that. But I think it's such an ambitious goal, you would have to give up on the idea of learning any other language if you want to be even close to fluency in all three CJK.
Maybe if I had yellow fever and plans to live in those countries I would actually do it.
Instead I'll be doing European languages probably for the rest of my life, and try to reach an acceptable level in Japanese so I can get by as a tourist there and play some obscure old vidya and VNs that never got translated.

>>216015807
the cases in german are harder than other languages with them imo because most of the time they're only marked on articles/adjectives/determiners. on the nouns themselves most of the time the cases look identical. also there's three different declensions for adjectives depending on the definiteness of the noun.

>>216016019
>also there's three different declensions for adjectives depending on the definiteness of the noun.
wtf? on second thought maybe german isn't for me

>>216007108
I have seen Mexicans do it in courthouses with professional interpreters in the same hallway because everyone is white.

I grew up around mexicans so I understand the bulk of what they say. Really odd seeing a murder victim’s closest relatives being helped by white arresting officers, a white prosecutor, and a white judge, and all they get for it is complaining in Spanish loudly about how uncomfortable all the white people make them literally right next to me.

>>216015532
>Also, mainlanders have to watch dubs of those films lol
Do they really? I thought trad was very phonetically similar to mandarin.

>>216016139
in HK they speak Cantonese which is quite different from Mandarin (which is spoken as the standard language in the mainland)

>>216016090
this "really simple" explanation just confused me even more. i dunno
i am an austrian empire history autist and love them and that time period, and thought it would be fulfilling to learn german but FUCK that sounds so confusing

>>216016168
Yes the first time I learned about German grammar I thought that German speakers must have computer brains to be able to encode/decode this shit.
But with any complicated grammar it becomes easier when you've seen all of the common examples hundreds of times and they become really familiar, then you just need to memorize the exceptions. At some point when speaking you will just have to pause when using something uncommon (like using an adjective with the genitiv case) and think for a second about how its supposed to sound. But even native speakers pause sometimes in order to say something more correctly.

>>216016139
If you mean traditional, that's more like a font, has nothing to do with the actual pronunciation.

>>216016168
If you’re a Habsburg autist then you should do Latin since that was the official language uniquely late especially in Hungary.

>>216016622
nah, i wouldn't get anything from it

I love this character

Would any /lang/ers be interested in a conlang collaboration project?

>>216017301
I always thought it was cool how the characters kinda look like their meaning. "to fly" has little wings :)
>>216017826
Please kill yourself right now today

>>216017842
>Please kill yourself right now today

Post physique

>>216017826
You should check out /clg/ (conlang general) on /lit/

>>216018796
I could easily beat you in a fight irl.

>>216011186
French is a meme language though.

>>216019010
Exactly.

>>216011802
Just be homeless in Poland then retard

>>216014075
The best input material was Chinese FMV dating sims. They are so kino.

>>216019091
If I get deported based on illegal immigration they could ban me from returning for years

>>216019190
Just don't get deported, lol.

>>216017842
The other cool part about traditional 飞 is that the left bit is 升 which means to rise, which clarifies that it means to rise up rather than 翔 or 飘 which means to fly level

>>216019252
Easier said than done

>>216019426
If they can live here undocumented for years, I'm sure you can figure out how to live there undocumented for years

>>216019426
Destroy your documents when you get there what are they gonna do about it

>>216020928
The others are harder xd

>>216021615
idk, this looks significantly easier.

Sumimasen, donde esta my penis desu ka

when / why did "people" overtake "persons" as the plural of person in English?

>>216022729
~13th/14th century, because of french.
in the sense of "an unspecified number of persons" it replaced, at least in common use, the word "folk", not persons.

What are you inpooting?

>>216024307
Chinese FMV dating sims

>>216024307
Finishing up this HBO slop.

>>216024307
Streamer girls

>>216024307
Anime girls all day every day

Bumpo

>>216015964
Im fine with that only learning Asian languages really. At one point I had interest in Russian and maybe Italian but Im fine with letting those go.
I also decided Japanese first. Ill probably introduce Korean next if I ever can, but Mandarin undeniably has its benefits. If you got the yellow fever (I do, very badly) it unlocks the most asian females, by a huge margin. And good preparation for the China takeover.
Step by step though. Japanese first.

Bumpo 2

Finally have hit grammatical self-sufficiency and can pretty much just grind the vulgate, especially the easier books, by reading and occasionally checking my understanding with the parallel translation.

>>216024307
Dominican baseball games

Another DO NOT for Romanian.

>found a bunch of swedish graded readers perfect for my level

We eating good tonight, svenskabros

>>216029677
Is there actually anything good in Swedish? Even in terms of books, they seem to underperfom compared to Danes and Norwegians

>>216029778
I learn for she.

Okay best resources for German?

>>216029876
Fucking based.
BASED.
If only my motivation to learn languages was as strong as this excellent, based post.

>>216031123
Fokus Deutsch + a good anki deck

>>216029876
Holy based

>>216031603
>The course includes workbooks, textbooks, and a 36-episode television series with audio CDs comprising 24 audio programs.
>It focuses on the story of Marion Koslowski and her family, intermixed with interviews of native speakers of German from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, including Erika, a survivor from the World War II years; Guy, a student from Cameroon studying in Germany at RWTH Aachen; Grace, a Zimbabwean-German; and Gürkan, a Turkish-German. There are also documentaries on German history and society, past and present.
Sounds pozzed as fuck

>>216031698
Its from the 90s. Everyone knows wokeness only started after 2008

>>216014075
Will web novels be for Chinese what Mange/Anime was for Japanese, and K-pop for Korean? Finally a decent cultural export?
It's the only thing I've ever seen Westerners not learning Chinese show any enthusiasm for.
(And HK cinema, but as other people mentioned, that's Cantonese.)

>>216029778
Children literature is strong with Lindgren and Moomins. I would be hard pressed to come up with any Danish author at all, except for Kierkegaard and Andersen, but these are probably not the ones you had in mind?

>>216031820
no. Chinese immortals and Tang dynasty poets having heavily implied gay sex will not become a cultural phenonemon in the west other than among deranged fujoshits as it already is

>>216011405
>0,4%

>>216031820
>Will web novels be for Chinese what Mange/Anime was for Japanese, and K-pop for Korean? Finally a decent cultural export?
Yes and no. Arrests have already been made over things the government didn't like (mainly LGBT stuff).
A lot of web novels are either Xianxia, Xuanhuan or Wuxia. If not those, its some esports shite or some porn.
They have some good Kehuan (sci-fi) ideas sometimes though - and this is honestly where I see them potentially breaking into the market more.

>>216032698
the government likes scifi because it lets them write a story where China is the most important country in the world (see: the wandering earth)
in my first year Chinese lit course I had a professor who was obsessed with webnovels and we had to spend three weeks reading them
its all slop

go up

>>216032817
>China is the most important country in the world
They are though

>>216029876
i hate my thoughts so much, i'm a piece of shit

The Chopin Competition has now finished. The results will be announced later tonight.

>>215997754
Unfiltered feedback from people who don’t know you can understand them sounds like the best part about learning a foreign language

>>216029876
There's good music too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC3EIHVK6ws. With lyrics written by a dyslexic , but goes with the genre.

>>216035244
Lisa Ekdahl is my favourite Swede musician :)

>>216035151
>Unfiltered feedback
if it was then I would appreciate it
but no, Chinese people will only ever compliment your Chinese no matter the level and never point out mistakes even when you ask them to

>>216036254
>Chinese people will only ever compliment your Chinese no matter the level and never point out mistakes even when you ask them to
I find it funny that they do this, but will happily walk up to a fat person and call them fat. I have seen it happen and its quite funny.

>>216036166
Actually think there's a lot of good Swedish music that's kinda crypto because Zoomers would not ever mention it. Like half of my favorite songs are Swedish songs no one has ever heard of in other countries, and I'm not a nationalistic guy.

Random awesome chorus in a song no one would ever mention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1XHpwJaJho

This is my favourite Chinese (Taiwanese) band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFUHri5CiOI

>>216036304
Is getting really fat impressive in China?

>>216036816
Being fat was a sign of wealth. Now its all Louis Vuitton suit and fancy car.

>>216036304
in China sometimes people would stare at me and ask me "到底多高呢" which means "how tall are you then" lol

>>216036884
穷玩车 富玩表

bump

>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
>https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
for german i'm not seeing pimsleur, or am i just retarded?
anyone got a link to pimsluer 1, 2 and 3 for german?

I plan to eventually move to a state that has a lot of immigrants who speak my TL, but it's such an uncommon language that I feel like they'll immediately know what type of time I'm on and look at me like picrel when they learn that I can speak it

>>216039575
Is that a bad thing?

>>216039700
I just don't want to seem like a fetishizer I guess

>>216039744
Only a retard thinks learning a language is fetishization, consider yourself lucky they self filter

>>216039744
unless the only people who speak that language are white college-age redditors i think youre good. literally no one else on the entire planet thinks taking interest in a culture and learning about it = 'fetishizing'

even if you were doing it for dating purposes [not saying you are], even that's not generally considered to be weird outside of the west. in asia its very common for people to learn japanese/vietnamese/whatever language specifically because they like the guys/girls from that region and they will openly talk about wanting to marry someone from there and no one bats an eye

>>215993656
I like Lucas at French Comprehensible Input. He seems like a good guy.

>>216040758
This. He actually makes great content for beginners.

>>216039575
This nigga learning Thai for the lady boys

>>216041515
The funny thing is it isn't even an asian language, lol. The anons here made me realize I'm paranoid over nothing though, thanks friends

>>216041571
It's really strange that you would think being interested in a language or culture is fetishisation, especially if it's not an Asian one, which is the only ones people (terminally online retards) really care about, because the infantilise Asian chicks for some reason.

This is the most retarded shit I've ever seen

>>216041747
English used to have it. I believe we ended up dropping it because our peasants kept getting them confused.

>>216041747
wtf

Here are the results of the competition. It seems that Chinese is the language which will make you the best at playing Chopin on the piano. Update your TLs accordingly.

Well I am way far behind. I want to get back into this. Should I change some anki setting or should I just do as much as I feel like per day? Thanks

I finally finished a page of japanese. I also just finished Pimsleur level 1 and have gotten through hand making anki decks for the top 125 dictionary entries in the routledge frequency dictionary. What I really love about the routledge dictionary is it actually counts all tokens so I'm getting the critical grammar necessary for an agglutinative language by studying the most frequent vocab. It feels like the opposite of Latin where frequency study is almost useless and grammar is more front-loaded since agglutinative languages use relatively consistent morphemes across words while inflected languages change their words more internally. So it begins. I'm hoping by the time I reach 500 words or so in my routledge dict things will open up substantially, or at least by 1,000.

>>216042513
wrong image sorry

>>216042533
I've cleared a backlog like that. Just do as much per day as you can handle. It took me only a couple of days, I was suprised desu.

>>216041904
It started to disappear because the scandinavians in the danelaw couldn't form all of the sounds and started confusing certain cases together. The genitive lingered into the early middle english period and eventually morphed into the 's ending in English. I'm not sure if the French had much influence on this considering the work I'm aware of that lacked all but the genitive was written less than a century after William I, and AFAIK the drops conform more to gaps between old english and old norse than to gaps between norman and old english.

>>216042533
I think you should just so as much as you like. If you force yourself to do a certain amount you'll just get burned out. Just take it easy and remember you're not on any schedule but your own.

>>216042600
>Just take it easy and remember you're not on any schedule but your own.
Fair enough - it is a hobby/goal. But at times I wonder if I'm wasting my time if I'm not spending over an hour a day on this.

>>216016622
NTA but I'm trying to larp as an 18th - early 20th century polymath. So my goal is to learn the 3 main European languages (English, German, French) + 1 oriental language (Japanese). If I'm not tired of languages by that point I might bother to learn Spanish, Russian, or Mandarin.

>>216039744
>>216039857
>>216040434
Only westerners and people who have been westernized view learning languages and taking an interest in foreign cultures as "fetishization" because nihilism is our state religion so any type of curiosity or desire to learn and enjoy the fruits of life is heresy.

>>216042859
You have the rest of your life ahead of you, what's the rush? There's plenty of time to learn and none of it is being wasted because any amount of progress towards your goals is good progress

>>216036254
>but no, Chinese people will only ever compliment your Chinese no matter the level and never point out mistakes even when you ask them to
I was more referring to the behind-the-back gossip in general. And knowing what people say about you when they think you’re not able to listen.

>>216014075
>>216013940
Jackie Chan's album unless its in cantonese.

For those of you who are native English speakers but learned multiple languages in different families/subgroups, did you notice a difference in how locals respond to learners?

For me it was very difficult to get Germans to speak German with me when I was living there. No fault of their own, because for the sake of pragmatism as soon as they heard my accent they switched to English. Understandable, but frustrating.

However, when I went to Spain, Spaniards were very receptive and would constantly glaze my mediocre Spanish. It was much easier to improve my listening and speaking there because they were much more willing to go out of their way to speak their language with me.

>>216044584
I guess the obvious one is French, it doesn't matter how good you think you are those people will NOT speak it back

>>216042937
>I'm trying to larp as an 18th - early 20th century polymath.
Well if you read the authors from that period when they quote from Latin and Ancient Greek they quote without translating because they could read both.

At the very least since they’re literary languages the mental taxation of getting to an intermediate level is them is less than people expect.

>>216044679
I was thinking of trying Latin for that reason, though if I do it will be after French, German, and Japanese (the one I'm currently focusing on).

I was thinking mainly in the vein of enlightenment thinkers like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Frederick the Great, Voltaire (though I don't really like him), Amaury de Riencourt, Rene Guenon, and to a lesser extent people like Lovecraft and Rudyard Kipling. People who had a wide range of knowledge instead of only knowing one subject. Most of them knew French since it was the lingua franca of the time, a few knew Latin or Greek, Hamilton knew Hebrew, Kipling knew Hindi. I like how some people around that time tried to compare eastern and western philosophies and religions. Riencourt focused on China and Guenon on the middle east.

Have you tried cooking food from your TL's country?

>>216044934
Jefferson knew Latin and Greek.

Franklin knew Latin but in his autobiography he mentions that he only did it after he hit the romance trifecta first.

Nietzsche comes to mind as someone that I read a book of recently who quotes Greek without translating fairly regularly, but many others did so.

>>216013494
>>216013564
im not saying you can't or shouldn't learn languages later, just the reflexive 'lol just go learn it yolo' advice is stupid. If you're 22, already have a career (are a mechanic or whatever and are skilled at it), live in a family house, then yeah you have all the time you want to learn whatever you want, and the ROI is really high at that age because you'll have access to it for the rest of your life. If you're 34 and your career is at the risk of becoming obsolete (happening a lot lately) then it's not a good time investment, language learning takes forever, youre better off learning something else

Also, Hamilton knew Latin and Greek, having studied them intensively before college and then in college.

Frederick the Great’s father was an anti-intellectual and banned him from reading Latin or Greek but Frederick with the help of his French tutor learned both languages and amassed a large collection of classical texts.

Instruction in geometry, math, philosophy, theology, etc. for much of Europe’s elite still involved or was even primarily in these languages for later than people realize.

>>216041747
These sorts of pics would be much easier for beginners to understand if they made these in "Masculine, Neuter, Femine, Plural" order that all Finnish materals for German I've seen use. It's giga easy to understand since instead of seeing four completely different sets of articles for each gender and case, you see that Masculine and Neuter have the same Genetive and Dative, Feminine and Plural have the same Nominative and Accusative, and the further left you go, the simpler the articles get.

>>216045162
Your problem is that you see language learning as something other than a hobby done for fun

>>216045194
>the further left you go, the simpler the articles get
Entschuldigung, I meant the further right you go.

>was able to understand something someone said in the wild (in my target language)
>memory recall for vocab and characters is coming to me much quicker

Never thought I would see results. Its incredibly satisfying to see progress.

>>216044934
In fact, im pretty sure everyone in your list had some Latin. Lovecraft at least self-educated a little and basically all of the rest have some recorded latin education, the majority were proficient. Guenon may not have records but at his time it was universal to receive some latin education in school in France.

>>216045233
That's awesome, keep doing your best!

>>216045146
>>216045192
>>216045235

I assume most thinkers who knew Latin around that time didn't really speak it and mainly used it for reading, something akin to how we learn to read a little Shakespearean English in school, plus it helped that they already knew modern romance languages. In particular, Thomas Jefferson was a huge Francophile and US minister to France (he also supported the early stages of the French Revolution before all the killing), while Frederick the Great preferred French to his native German since France was the center of high culture. Most of the Russian nobility also spoke French while Russian was for the peasantry.

I'm hoping that after I learn French, learning basic Latin will be very quick, but it isn't my priority. Asian languages are more important now than back then, so Japanese is replacing Greek for me. Anything worthwhile in Greek is translated anyways. Any language after JP, French, and German is optional for me.

What non-russian slavic language has the best literature/music/cinema?

>>216045442
Polish

>>216045779
You can also do Czech if you don't like Polish for whatever reason.

>>216017826
Conlangfags would have actually fun languages if they spent 5 hours banging out an actually functional core vocab instead of spending months crafting the most retarded grammar on Earth that’s basically just shit they taped together from some siberian language + navajo.

>>216045323
In particular, Thomas Jefferson was highly proficient in Latin and Greek and is quoted as reading extensively in both pretty much daily.

Really, a lot of translations of classic texts were not so widely available, or extant at all, in this period. If an author references a classical author they probably either heard about it through an intermediary, or they read the original latin. As late as Cecil Rhodes, he had to pay to have a private library of english classical translations produced in secret so he could become well read in the classics, due to his lack of formal education which he was greatly ashamed of (since it was so universal among the elites at the time).

is this called a bunch or a hand of bananas?

>>216046527
If you can't take a conlangs core vocab and insert whatever verb/noun loanwords from English (or any other language) to make intelligible sentences that cover the full core of basic grammar and expression, it's not a complete language.

Unfortunately most conlangs have words for swords and obscure fantasy dishes because they exist more as linguistic art projects than anything.

Your conlang would benefit more from a word for "however/although/but" than from having a word for "nonbinary" (toki pona)

I dont get how we are suppose to learn vocabulary. Im not going to remember it by just being introduced to it 2-3 times. Every new thing I learn will bump old vocab out. I just don’t understand how you are suppose to think about every word in a new language on a somewhat daily basis until you remember it. Just seems mathematically impossible.

>>216046933
Both are correct but I think in the UK we usually say bunch

>most breton literature is written by non-natives
wtf

>>216047505
Read nigga read

>>215993656
why do aussie suck so much at learning languages? i remember back then one aussie was whining about how hard russian is, and now i can read russian without much problem after conquering français

有没有会讲中文的人?

>>216049004
诺

>>216049019
哦,英国的兄弟,你多久学中文?

>>216043853
oh, well mostly they just say I am tall. I don't do anything to piss people off so they don't rally complain about me

>>216049051
学七年了
高中四年 但收获不大
大学三年 第一年收获不大 第二年学得不少 第三年在北大交换了 进步飞快 考过了hsk6

>>216049004
我在高中时学过它
我去参加了比赛
那是很久以前的事了

>>216049177
>hsk6
很酷,我羡慕。我还没去考我的水平。我只在我的生活中用着中文,(我的老婆说中国人), 慢慢学。你用了什么教程?
我喜欢台湾的“实用视听华语” 。

>>216049178
你是华侨还是只有了兴趣选学中文了吗?

>>216049303
我hsk6复习的牛马就是anki(中文叫暗记),还有一些课本比如hsk standard course,但到了这个水平课本没有什么用途。语法都学会了,常用的词语都背了,因此我到现在大部分就是看中文的小说
>我老婆是中国人
她为什么搬到俄罗斯来呢?

>>216049303
>老婆说中国人
老婆是中国人
打错字

>>216049368
>她为什么搬到俄罗斯来呢?
我叫她了,我们在world talk 认识了一直聊天,然后一起想了一想怎么办,我给她推荐来俄罗斯学俄语,读硕士。她同意了就在这儿

>>216049446
真有趣
她原来是中国哪里的?

>>216049368
>看中文的小说
我也一点点看小说,上次去中国在旧书店买了“金瓶梅“xD

>>216049521
贵州

>>216049368
你现在看什么小说?

>>216049578
贵州人不是很矮小吗?你吃过他们爱的折耳根吗?

>>216049609
此图里的《为人民服务》,大陆人阎连科著,可是因为在大陆是禁书所以我不得不买台湾版
我以前也看过《活着》,还挺好的一本书 但很悲伤

good morning sars

ALL RIGHT FUCK IT SHE'S BEING BLOCKED ON MY SOCIALS THIS IS TOO FUCKING PAINFUL

>>216049702
>贵州人不是很矮小吗?
我的印象里好像是,可是我也见过了比我高的人,我自己是182的个子的。老婆160左右,可是她舅舅跟我一样高。
>你吃过他们爱的折耳根吗?
吃过了,好像没什么味道,不太喜欢了,但是我能吃它

>>216045162
Language learning takes so long that the sooner you start, the sooner you will have results in it.
Putting it off is pointless. Especially when it is so fun

>>216049702
>活着
电影也不错,还有更悲伤的,但是我觉得你已经看过,是“大王别姬”。真厉害的电影。
感谢你的书的照片,我以后找

>>216050202
Ops it is 霸王别姬

>>216050123
160对南方人来看算是还可以的,还可以
我一个老师是贵州人,也不太矮,但他的口音很重 n l分不清
折耳根我上次吃了第二天生病了 味道跟鱼馁一样臭 受不了 但贵州火锅挺好吃
>>216050202
哈哈哈 对 我看过
喜欢中国电影的话我也推荐《白日焰火》但我电影其实看得不多,更喜欢看小说

>>216050415
>他的口音很重 n l分不清
哦哦哦,是的,我老婆的俄语的老师就说了她的发音的问题,r是当然的,可n,l 也有了,完全分不清的。
我一点点记住了贵州方言,他们就是这样的:我go 你 li/ni 完全不清楚的我会听到li
还有那些想海边的方言 去 ki/ke 像闽南语,理解 ligai
吃生病?好可怕呀。我这个食物没问题了,可味道超级难吃了。
>白日焰火
>犯罪剧情片
谢谢,我似乎没有看拍现代的中国的电影。我们看奇幻,武侠,最后的是“倚天屠龙记“

>>216046933
I've never heard anyone use hand

>>216050682
Same. I guess it's exclusively a yank thing?

hej

>>216050682
>>216050784
I just looked it up, and apparently it's a UK and commonwealth thing lol.

>>216050827
Oh well, we have been yankified yet again. I really don't think I've ever heard anyone say hand.

>>216050637
我go可能是ngo 很多方言用ng代替零声母
觉得我生病跟折耳根没有太大的关系 主要是我吃火锅吃得太多了 哈哈哈 但折耳根肯定也不会安慰我的肚子
>现代的中国电影
大部分是纯粹的垃圾 不用看
《好东西》我挺喜欢 其他的不特别好 中国人也更喜欢看外国的电影

>>216051204
我也觉得。50*60年代的更好。他们还拍了有京剧的感觉。比如“雨美人” “梁山伯与祝英台”。那些很好看。
我们亲爱的政府开始管网络,已有了不可以起那个三个禁字v*n,看youtube的话,要用v*n,还因为有旁边国家无人机攻击威胁,我父母的小城市里手机网络没有,我准备了没网络可以看的(图片)
这个经典的电影多看也不烦。

>>216051477
>雨美人
鱼美人

This thread really is the Chinese General now. Based.

>>216046527
I think if you're going to make a language it should be retardedly logical and easy like Esperanto, but aesthetically pleasing like Tolkien Elvish.

ive blocked her on all socials. the anchor is lifted, i can finally set sail

>>216051571
It be like that sometimes. Now lock the fuck in and learn your language

>>216051594
ok
я люблю ecть eдy

>>216051521
中国語反対です!

>>216051477
你离边疆很近吗?
反正你老婆应该司空见惯了 哈哈哈 国内也需要开那个软件

>>215991393 (OP)
that's not chopin

>>216052239
不是那么近,从来没见过什么无人机,那问题,在西伯利亚也有,好像政府有着这个借口开始禁止奴隶不需要看的信息。等几年就离开这垃圾国。
普京可以享受他的没有白的俄罗斯人充满黑毛子的天堂 哈哈

Niche topic games like picrel are so goated for learning niche topic related vocab

>>216045162
>something else
like what? You are 34 in that hypothetical situation
>>216045207
There are profitable (socially, professionally) fun hobbies and unprofitable fun ones

>>216052409
加油,兄弟。我在中国认识了很多逃跑俄罗斯的男子 生活过得很幸福

>>216053405
lrn2weld

>>216053840
You don't have to give up learning languages then. Welding is not such time consuming

even more, in Europe it's even good to know a Scandinavian language or German then

>>216053673
感谢你加油兄弟

>>216053840
Welding here is often done as a part time course over a single academic year (roughly 8/9 months) as part of some fabrication btec.
Thats often like 4 hour school days at a college.
If you can't put even 30 minutes towards your language learning after that, you're just a lost cause.

>>216053947
>>216054360
I'm not the anon who said that and I agree with you
I was just shitposting

>>216052965
Pedophile related vocab?

>>216054579
Its mostly clothing vocab. Like cooking games are mostly cooking vocab.

I've never tried it but I think that you could learn a lot of useful words playing Sims

>>216054393
I see. In any case, you should still learn something beyond the language itself. Imagine someone who knows German but can't weld, or doesn't understand tax law, or Portuguese but can't kick a ball and twerk, or French and don't smoke. Such person could speak the language at native level and still be an outcast. A total laughing stock

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