Thread 216055586

remember what you're fighting for (sexo)

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

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>>216047505
It's not that hard unless you're memorizing words in isolation. Read short texts that are at your level and review them multiple times until they become trivial. The more texts you read, the more meaningful connections get made and you even start to anticipate the meaning of words you've never seen before.

Excellent lust provoking image
This thread will live long

What language does she speak?

>>216056079
French, of course.

>remember what you're fighting for (sexo)
that's why I'm learning German
>>216056079
I'm guessing Italian

>>216055586 (OP)
Havu sekson

>>216055586 (OP)
>remember what you're fighting for (sexo)
Based

>>216056079
I'm pretty sure shes American so very high probability of monolingualism.

Learning Chinese is fun but it just takes so long to learn to write the characters. It makes me feel a little retarded.

At least the grammar is piss easy.

Picrel is one of my flashcards

Which one are you /lang/?

>>216057229
Academia victim (jokes but some of my friends who do French genuinely are)

>>216057195
Real. Don't want the Chinese huzz thinking we are illiterate.

>>216057195
Actually I’d say learning to write is pretty much the single thing Heisig’s remembering the Hanzi is good for. That shit will have you churning out even traditional characters if you want.

>>216057229
Unironically none of these. My learning method is just doing whatever and it works fine for me.
I'm just straight sending it and things are getting etched into my brain.

>remember what you're fighting for (sexo)
Incredibly motivating tagline.

>>216057229
Literally the second I can avoid the urge to be a dabbler I start making noticable progress. I started all this by getting a Japanese anki deck maybe 1.5 years ago, dropping it within a month, doing Latin, dropping it within 2 months, doing Mandarin, dropping it after 4 months, doing Japanese for 2 weeks dropping it for Korean for a month, then deciding I needed to wholly remove practicality from the equation, so I went back to Latin fully, reaching an intermediate reading ability after a few more months, then and now finally starting up Japanese again a couple weeks ago.

I’d say the biggest shift is that Latin grammar study has given me much mor metalinguistic knowledge and endurance for struggle. Also because I got Latin ti a point where I could mostly read the vulgate extensively it means I can actually productively “maintain” my Latin by just filling out the occasional grammar table and reading a couple bible chapters a day or LLLPSI once in a while, where before the knowledge wasn’t comprehensive or locked in enough for me to read anything. So the difference now is I can go to Japanese without actually abandoning Latin, since I am at a stage where the best thing I can do for my Latin is just casual reading anyways.

>>216057596
Based. Dabbling is the devil. The dabbling succubi is after your focus seed.

>>216057229
Input monk, of course

>>216057443
Based freestyler

>>216057296
The two French learners I've known have both been like that. It seems like there's such a fear of being corrected or sounding dumb in French that they paralyze themselves with overthinking

>>216057802
I've seen their translation assignments and they have to write like 100 words justifying every time they translate into a specific tense. Apparently in their oral classes and tutorials absolutely nobody speaks unless forced to. no wonder

how come every criticism of duolingo focuses on their monetization and not the fact that their methodology is fundamentally flawed and literally centuries out of date?

>>216058379
it's a successful app because people don't know/care that their methodology is fundamentally flawed and literally centuries out of date

>>216058379
gamified extremely easy exercises make dopamine go up :)

>>216057229
academia victim that's me

>>216058379
You can learn some stuff with it, or at least used to be able to. Its very inefficient way to learn, but progress still can occur.
The problem is their monetisation methods make using it even more of a pain in the ass.

So hence it is both inefficient to use, and more egregiously is a pain to use unless you want to give them money.

Which if you are giving money to something, there are countless other better materials to buy (or better yet just steal them).

>>216057632
These 2 will be my 2 languages 4ever. One spoken, one literary and relatively easy.

Chinese FMV dating sims really are the key to consistent Chinese immersion.

>>216057229
None desu
I guess the closest one is the input monk because all I do is input right now but I am just too lazy to start outputting. I don't have anyone to talk to right now anyway.

>>216057229
The Frustrated Gremlin
> Both TLs belong to the language families of languages he already knows
> Still can't make noticeable progress anymore
> Complains on /lang/ about it instead of doing more inpoot
> Thinks about fluency all the time instead of doing more inpoot
> Thinks about dropping one language to speed up progress in the other but can't decide which one

I'm going to take Latin classes in university this term.

>>216061355
Hope it goes well :)

>>216061355
It's the common core of all of our shared western civilization. Without it we're just a bunch of divided tribes that live in or come from the same peninsula. With it we are a civilization. Have fun.

>>216057229
used to be dabbler. Now I'm a mix of input monk (Pimsleur, Nature Method, bbc learning English), anki gooner and gamified grinder (clozemaster, duo), and a bit of an Academia Victim (I've checked some IPA sounds pronunciation)
>>216058379
It's a cool thing to watch your friends' "progress"

hypothesis: in language learning, men are the two "ends of the bell curve" - either they are really good or really bad. women are typically mediocre middle of the pack

>>216062557
Women are better at foreign languages because they speak more, consume less niche media, and are less likely to be shamed for their poor language skills, ergo they can develop their language skills more freely

Is Mozilla TTS any good for genned audio, specifically Japanese and Mandarin?

>>216058379
I recommended my normie friends to use duolingo so it gimps their progress :)

>>216063438
Based

>>216057229
Actually good meme.
Me at the top left.

>>216059310
Erm you left out english sweaty

my aunt is going to marry a hungarian can any one teach me some hungarian slurs

>>216064263
Monolingualism mindset. It will only hold you back.
The goal should always be to get so proficient in your new tongue that you forget how to use English, therefore effectively reducing the amount of Indians who can try and interact with you exponentially.

>>216065163
>hungarian slurs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Hungarian_derogatory_terms

Prolly in here somewhere lol

>>216057229
Anki gooning input monk

I deleted my hellotalk account

>>216056070
He's really outdone himself with this one.

Make a new challenge assholes

(Optional) Thread Challenge: Curse someone's entire ancestral lineage and future generations in your TL.

>>216063241
Actually, I want to use TTS to make condensed audio of all the sample sentences in my flashcards, but I need a free TTS that works well enough for Japanese.

Anyone have suggestions?

>>216058379
The focus on monetization is the reason why it is what it is

>>216067730
The only one I have really tried is gTTS (which seems to be the same engine that powers google translates tts). Its fine, but google limits you to how much you can do in a 24 hour period.

I am going to give Mozilla TTS a go tomorrow.

Supposedly Coqui TTS and OpenJTalk are good alternatives - though i do not know how free or how good they are.

if you forgot all languages but could automatically learn 1 what would you pick?
NO ENGLISH!!

>>216068562
Whatever makes English easiest to learn

>>216068562
Probably a super duper dead language no one else knows or has any clue how to approach except me, so I can exploit the gap in the market for serious financial gain.
I'm not Jewish though, so I would probably get shafted.

>>216069694
How would you exploit it if it was the only language you knew? People would just assume youre retarded

>>216063241
Azure's Neural Voices are better than anything else out there. You get 500,000 free TTS characters per month. You'll run through that quicker than you think though.
If you just want to read off the page then you can use Microsoft Edge to use neural voices. Highlight what you want, right click, hit 'read aloud'

>>216055586 (OP)
>learn arabic for a bit
>decide to take a break and watch Primal (show usually has no dialouge)
>New character comes in
>starts speaking
>in arabic
what the fuck

>learn arabic for a bit
>decide to take a break and watch Primal (show usually has no dialouge)
>New character comes in
>starts speaking
>in arabic
what the fuck

Mandarin actually has pretty simple grammar, right? The main thing that makes it difficult is the tones and the characters? Not like korean/japanese with the complicated grammar and agglutination? If so, I'm a musician (used to sing in professional choirs) and have no trouble with pitch. e.g have no trouble distinguishing pitch accent in japanese that a lot of people have trouble with - if I were to learn mandarin just by speaking with chinese people (no reading, no learning characters) could I potentially do it much quicker than the FSI estimates suggest?

>>216070791
That's God telling you to return to your studies.

>>216068562
is that even a question

>>216070579
Obviously I would learn English through Peppa pig so I get my accent back, then I can exploit my supreme knowledge in a long dead language of importance (i.e. sumerian) and then write the book on how to learn it, netting myself millions.
It's simple really. Flawless plan.

>>216068562
klingon

I still don't understand how only watching content that's solely in your TL is helpful for a beginner. I can't understand anything. How am I suddenly going to know what they're saying later? Sorry if my question is retarded, I'm retarded (and new to all of this).

>>216068562
Vietnamese to mindfuck people by being a white guy that speaks English with a Vietnamese accent

>>216072293
You start with content made for beginners that usually has visual cues that make it comprehensible to you.

>>216057229
Mix of Anki Gooner and Input Monk. I've been very consistent with Anki since Jan 1st, 2024. My input is very inconsistent but every time I do input I learn lots of new words and grammar. I'm trying to find a second easier language to learn on the side and keep dabbling between French and German, unable to decide which.

>>216071801
It would take far too long to learn English to attain the abilities of a successful exploitative capitalist

Я люблю eё((((

>>216072717
kto?

>>216072717
пoчeмy ты дo cих пop нe пoкoнчил c coбoй?

>>216071413
Japanese grammar is very simple

>>216072293
install language reactor and you can look up the words

why is HSK 4 for Chinese such a fucking bitch. my god i'll never escape this level

>>216074331
you can (and will)

>>216072293
The idea behind Comprehensible Input is that it should be comprehensible, so you're supposed to start with stuff that's simple (preferably designed for beginners) because that way you learn to associate words through visual aid and mental connections/intuition. After you hit a more intermediate level it becomes more doable to just watch content in your TL.

i tried watching peppa pig and wanted to strangle myself after 5 minutes

idk how people can watch that for hundreds of hours

Trying to learn Burmese after learning Russian feels like driving a nail through my skull. Everything I didn't like about Russian is about a million times harder in Burmese

If you could revive a dead language for daily use, which would it be?

For me it's Anglo-Saxon

>>216057229
>learning by talking to people is not among the listed options
4chan moment

>>216070791
great show

AI has gone too far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMjo5NAnUiE

How much of a chud do you look like if you write serbian in cyrilic online?

>>216075249
or just get language reactor and watch whatever you want from the start

need beginner texts to LUTE for japanese

>>216075841
Damn nigga do you have a promo code?

>>216074331
every level has twice as much content as the one before
So you have to get more efficient with each level

>>216071413
Tones and characters being hard are beginner-level problems that you'll get over in a year or two. The more characters you learn the easier it is to remember new ones, also character recognition is super easy the hard part is writing.
Grammar is more difficult than like Spanish but still pretty easy. The hard part is remembering all the patterns and structures and how to use them, but that's not super hard.

At higher levels the difficult things are
>Words with multiple meanings
>Pairs or groups of words with very similar meanings i.e. 经验 经历
>Chengyu (four characters phrases)
>Dialects and slang, there's way too much of this
>The difference between literary/spoken language

everyone on youtube is telling me about how my language sucks and to stop doing things

>>216076668
they're wrong and you are beautiful

I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AHHHHHH

>>216072860
yeah you'd like that wouldn't you?

>>216076687
thanks

>>216075336
Attic Greek.

>>216067454
multe pakala sina suli ma
>but thats not fully accurate toki pona
gi estas laboron en progreso

>>216075336
daily latin newspaper would be nice

>>216075283
what did you watch it in, German?

>>216056079
She speaks Chinese

>>216077559
>not fully accurate
it's word salad
in a language with so few words you need perfect grammar for anything to make sense
>estas laboron
>n
do they actually

>>216072690
Lil bro underestimates my greatness. Too long? For English? Lol

>>216077636
黑鬼

>>216078495
Delusional

I really like old Chinese poetry in English translation but have only a mild interest in modern China. Worth learning Mandarin, or jumping straight into CC?

>>216057229
Ancestral A2
It really sucks looking like you belong in that country and they speak to you fluently in the language but the moment you open your mouth they have a look of disappointment on their face

>>216078816
Lil bro doesn't know I'm that guy

>>216057229
I do a little of each one of them and learn absolutely nothing

>>216079582
Based

Bump

What's the quick rundown on learning two languages at the same time? I'm slowly grinding japanese and was thinking of learning an easier european language for fun on the side

>>216080954
Generally I think its better to start your 2nd one once you are moderately competent in your first, so its easier to maintain it.
If you are learning two new ones at the same time progress is likely going to be slower, unless you can consistently match what your upper limit of time allocation would be for both of them.
Most I have done simultaneously was 3, where it was 2 from scratch while maintain 1 at a B2ish level. One of them would regularly get neglected, but it was fun.

>>216081460
Yeah, I'm afraid it would slow down my japanese, because it's been hard enough as it is. I want to learn Italian and figure it would easy enough to learn (other than the pronunciation) due to proximity and thought it might give my brain some rest or something by learning something fun. I'm unemployed so I'm definitely not lacking in time, lmao.

>>216079043
Probably best to just jump straight into CC in that case. Not like you'd really need the Mandarin unless you wanted to read the poetry with a modern pronunciation

>>216081641
Honestly just do the pimsluer course and try to read shit in the language.
Pimsleur stuff is on /t/

>>216055586 (OP)
What are the best /lang/s to learn for the sexo

>>216082399
Nepalese

>>216082438
There is only suffering here

>>216068562
>hypothetical scenarios that result in regression
Lame

>>216082645
Because you didn't lead the revolution.

>>216072293
As a beginner you have to think like you're in debt, and you can't do anything fun for a while until you pay off your debt and get back to zero.
Zero in this case is being able to understand comprehensible input.

>>216079424
Damn, this makes me think I should be learning an asian language. I'd rather make people do backflips.

>>216080954
Sure, I'm learning two languages, give it a tr-
>japanese
Oh, maybe not...

>>216068562
Polish, duuuh. It's useful where I live
Or like >>216069694 said. Dead and untranslated ancient language, like idk, Etruscan

>>216080954
I’m learning 4 at once get on my level
Tbh retaining information is the hard part, and it can be easy to become
Confused. Use your time wisely, try not to be too consumed
Hasta luego

>>216082061
>>216081641
This. I regret listening to various people advising against this method here. Pimsleur is a great start. Their courses differ from each other though. French explains more about pronunciation and liaison, while Spanish does not, even though Spanish clearly has the same features.

Is Pimsleur's Croatian course fine if you're actually learning one of the other BCMS languages?

>>216083165
Admittedly, it is quite boring sometimes but its quite a good from zero start, and normally my go to.
I would advise piracy of it though because KKR & Co. are lame and rich as shit, and they own Simon & Schuster who own Pimsleur.

>>216082804
why are you so cringe???

>>216083777
Are you not the Aussie who fell for a Russian chick? Lol

>>216084146
That nigga was crying real tears over some bitch he only knows through the computer screen LMFAOOOOO

>>216083284
Idk. It's short and quite convenient in a public communication or on a walk

>>216084349
Yeah, I normally do it when I am walking or just before bed.

>>216084303
Actually hilarious. Gotta be one of the best /lang/ moments I have witnessed.

Watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07rqHQ35hU
Made me lol because I cannot imagine being someone who thinks that all my problems would have been fixed if I moved to Japan, even though I was a massive weeb in my school days.
How do niggas not realise they need actual skills to be of value for a nation? Shit is crazy.

>>216084419
Well it beats the five thousand times jordie had mental breakdowns at least

>>216084419
The fall of schizov was funny too.

>>216057229
Mix of dabbler and input monk

I have tried French, German, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, Russiand and Korean

>>216084848
Nah the adventures of Jordie are the still the best imo

>>216084419
>>216084848
>>216085040
There is something beautiful and sincere in such despair. It is better than a thousand layers of irony and sarcasm

>>216084146
i guess everyone with an aus flag is the same

I know there are many resources in the OP, but I wanted to ask if anyone who has learned Spanish could give a strong recommendation on what they believe is one of the best resources, whether that's a book/course/show etc.

>>216075336
the only right answer is attic greek

What other generals do you use, /Lang/?

>>216086976
I did basically nothing but comprehensible input and progressed just fine with Spanish. Dreaming Spanish's premium subscription has the best resources for complete beginners, but you can move on from them pretty quickly if you want to save money or don't like their content.

It only took me a few months of input to reach the point where I could comfortably watch native content and start having short conversations with native speakers.

>>216079424
Was really funny during my time in Japan being there with Japanese Americans as a big white guy because the locals would always be so disappointed or treat my Asian classmates kind of coldly but would be so happy with me if I could whip out a sumimasen and an onegaishumasu.

Also, a lot of the anti-tourist sentiment is directed either at black people or chinese, and Koreans to a lesser extent. Be polite/quiet and people will like you.

>>216086139
Major aura loss for your countrymen due entirely to that one fella

>>216086976
Dreaming Spanish is shilled a lot, so probably that.

Generally a good rounded intro to any language is pimsleur + anki frequency deck + a good textbook if you feel so inclined (generally go for a popular one specific to the language, if not the teach yourself and colloquial series are good enough).

>>216087922
Routledge has a frequency dictionary for Spanish, theirs are pretty solid IMO. I’ve found it makes it stick a little better to make my own cards from that instead of using a premade deck because the routledge entries come with sample sentences/translations too.

>>216087139
/sfg/ on vg
Language learning and fighting games... Very autistic hobbies

>>216070791
Share your resources.

Perennial fuck pinyin post.
>barely adapt to "r" reading as "zh"
>catch a native talking about beef https://youtu.be/kN3ZPJDUuAY?si=G-m0JcXax0MZpkc5&t=709
>can clearly fucking hear him pronouncing 肉 as "rou" not "zhou"
I'm going to fucking lose it, am I getting memed?

>>216089497
what? where in china do they pronounce 肉 as "zhou"?

>wanted to do free trial or do a month subscription
>look everywhere on the app, no free trial anywhere or month subscription option, only a year ($60) or lifetime ($200)
>find out both of those options are only available on website
>go to website, trouble logging in
>figure it out after 30 min
>start free trial
>can only do free trial if you sign up to $60/year after
>do it
>try to cancel right after
>no where on the site can you cancel
>apparently the subscription is on a third party site i need to log onto, that didnt even appear when i signed up
>sign onto 3rd party site
>still cant cancel outright, no option, need to talk to a chatbot for it to manually send a cancellation link

Its a shame how shady it is to subscribe to this app. Because its a really good product. Different than other language apps. Super clean and smooth UI. One of the best. But after this horrible experience I dont want to sub. I dont trust it.

>>216089597
Here's fucking Wang Gang doing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg6lL5nOCAY

>>216089497
Zou (like English) and Zhou are common in southwestern China like Sichuan and Chongqing
You is common in southeastern china and shandong
But the proper putonghua pronunciation is ɻoʊ

>>216089805
i cannot for the life of me hear "zhou", just "(niu) rou" throughout the video
there might be something wrong with me

>>216089659
I bought a lifetime sub for it ages ago (pre-covid) when it went on a sale one time.
I hardly used it.

>>216083777
What can I do to make sure to make you cringe more?

>>216090496
Shock natives with perfect Asian languages (Aussies seethe)

>>216090687
lel

Zijn er nederlandstalige? Ik zou graag willen met anderen praten en de taal oefnen...

>>216084644
i'll go toil in the rice fields of Yamaha™ prefecture and grind out the rice paddies and kaishi 1.5k and be happy about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6P2kaMk4gU

super interesting video.
5k hours immersed in japanese
1k french
is he as good as he says? he said he didnt read french and only listened and he'll become fluent in arabic in 700 hours

>>216086976
I just recommend doing Dreaming Spanish

>>216075841
I hadn't heard of this but I think it's best to avoid translation in your native language, so I don't necessarily recommend an approach like this, though I'm sure it's useful for some people, especially when they have limited CI resources

>>216093400
Most youtubers are liars. He seems like an over confident jackass, but good for him if the actually is proficient in all of them.

Do any of you nerd know the name of that old latin spelling book that would correct things like calidus which some people would spell and pronounce caldus? "calidus non caldus" or something like that.

>>216094931
>nerds*
dunno why i keep forgetting the S's. It never happens in speech.

>>216075793
You look like that tranny failed mass shooter that was writing English in cyrillic in his diary

Im trying to learn indonesian because i have a big dick and i heard they (indonesians) have REALLY small pp
I want to mog them and fuck their wives
Not even kidding
Am i learning indonesian for the wrong reasons?

>>216097048
I did that when I was 12 lol

I think something Im realizing with language learning, is to move forward even when it seems impossible for you to learn. The massive vocab, long words I can even say let alone remember, the slow recall, the nightmarish grammar.
It will slowly click because your brain is literally changing as you learn. I cant fathom certain things in my target language, but thats because the connections arent there for me. But I just have to create them

>>216097325
>anon discovers learning

>>216093503
I was doing pure input (massive input many hours a day) and switched to sync'd audio + text + hover dictionary and made at least as much progress in 3 weeks doing 4 hours/day as I did in the previous 4 months of input at 6+ hours/day

CI/input is definitely more fun/relaxing though, this method is very stressful and tiring even if it's effective.

Also there isn't as much CI for my language as others, so a lot of stuff I was watching was probably too hard for me, that may have been part of it.

Looking on the bright side, the fact that most shit you read on the internet nowadays is AI slop means that at least you will be more exposed to correct grammar and vocabulary in your TL... r-right?

>>216097979
Prolly not lol

My wish is to have a hungarian bf (like a language teacher or something) and learn the language but it will never happen :( oh well. I still love the language, I know it’s impossible but that’s ok. I can still dream. German is probably my endgame since it’s hard but possible

how far can I go with this?
https://annas-archive.org/md5/412cb94580ddd2a5685d44748cd52a9b

>>216098444
I'm honestly embarrassed how much time I spend fantasizing about having a gf who speaks my TL and helps me learn.

Which languages are the most entrepreneurial? I don't mean which languages are best for doing business (at least not primarily), but which languages are used by people who are successful in business. I want to steal their mindset.

>>216099643
hebrew

>>216084303
Never cried, only wanted to kill myself. There's a difference
>>216084146
You wish someone could enter your life and make you feel things you haven't felt for a long time

How's Assimil French With Ease?

>>216099809
It's how I started off learning French. It's pretty alright. My biggest regret is that I wish I had started working on input right away because you don't get nearly enough input just from doing one of those lessons a day. I'm kind of skeptical about programs like that in general now just because I think they're inefficient and sometimes teach you bad habits but I think it's good for what it is and I'd recommend it if you think the structure sounds appealing.

The Peppa Pig channel for my TL doesn't have subtitles... I need a transcript to follow along with...

>>216099480
my genuine goal in life is to fall in love with a very smart target-language speaking girl who'll get me to C2

>>216086976
When I was taking my college Spanish courses, the professor suggested we watch Destinos since its input made for learners.

https://www.learner.org/series/destinos-an-introduction-to-spanish/unit-i/

>>216099643
Hebrew
Yiddish
English
And then whatever language of the nation you are exploiting

>>216099746
>You wish someone could enter your life and make you feel things you haven't felt for a long time
Already happened. Wouldn't fall for a Russian harlot though LMAO

how da fuck am I supposed to watch "comprehensible" input when i cant even understand shows made for children. im at a point where ALL content is too hard for me, i'd like to watch an easy anime like pokemon all day and progress but that would probably be even harder

>>216100922
there should be stuff designed to be understandable even with no prior knowledge

iirc there should be lots of such content for japanese (sounds like thats what youre learning)

Given 1 hour per day, to what extent can one learn spanish in 6-8 months?

>>216100999
people have said i will make progress watching anything as long as i just immerse, i could probably watch 1 hour of comprehensible input a day but waaaaay more normal input.

french btw

>>216101054
wouldn't even be able to carry a limited conversation or watch simple spanish shows

>>216100922
I started CardCaptor Sakura with JP subs when I could only understand ~20% and within a few episodes I felt that I could generally understand what was happening even if I didn't know every word. I set a goal that I would try to mine around 2-5 cards per episode, besides the first episode where I mined like 15, and I felt like that struck a good balance between learning without constantly pausing. Its important to get used to immersing even when you barely understand, and you will be surprised at how quickly you improve.

>>216101103
just watch with a pop-up dictionary then, watching incomprehensible input without word lookup is an incredibly slow way to learn, it will take you forever

>>216100922
As I said earlier, comprehensible input is supposed to be comprehensible. If you're watching children's shows, that already implies some degree of fluency with the language (on the level of the children who watch those shows). If you're an absolute beginner you don't even have that level of fluency yet, so you need to watch videos that are designed with learners in mind because they will provide you with visual aids and they will speak clearly and slowly so that you begin to inuit things and vocabulary and the "sound" of the language becomes engrained in your mind. When you approach CI by watching videos where you can understand 80-90% of what's being said, you will find that you will quickly progress and things will become easier and easier and then with a bit of time you'll hit the a more intermediate level where you can just start watching media in your TL. In the beginning, you basically have to approach it like you're a baby learning words from your parents except you have the faculties and capabilities of an adult to help you more quickly learn the language.

>>216101152
written and spoken french is so different and when they're speaking fast its hard to pick up everything, i already know a few hundred words.
problem with popup dictionaries is everyone says you should only look up a word every 3 or 4 mins or you'll disrupt the flow of immersion, so how tf am I supposed to learn?
>>216101158
im definitely not at that level where i can understand 90% of tv stuff, when i put on comprehensible input it was so much of "this is a man, this is a woman". i just wanna watch entertaining shit but i guess i have to stick with the easy easy stuff

>>216097400
In a learning general no less

>>216101275
>when i put on comprehensible input it was so much of "this is a man, this is a woman". i just wanna watch entertaining shit but i guess
The drawback of CI is that it takes some skill and adequate resources to make good CI content. Most people aren't great at making CI videos and groups like Dreaming Spanish are few and far between. I will tell you from my experience that, while it is indeed very slow, any input and immersion you can get does help, even if you can't undertstand all of it. Maybe try mixing up proper CI content with content that you find interesting or entertaining so you get a bit of both. And if you decide to use a popup dictionary, try and only look up words that you absolutely need to know the definition of in order to understand what's going on and try and intuit the definition whenever possible. It's easier than you think if you just trust your brain to make the right guess.

>>216101390
yeah, id just rather watch shows that are entertaining like pokemon than strictly comprehensible input, problem is idk if i'd get anything good out of it. ill prob mix it up

>>216087676
I guess 80% of SHOCKING the natives just comes down to being white.

>>216101115
What could I do?

>>216101418
If you're learning French then I'd recommend the channel French Comprehensible Input. His Tintin videos are fun. There's also a new guy called French in Motion who seems to do a pretty good job but he has very little content right now. In addition, there's Easy French, who have some decent street interviews and interesting podcasts (the podcasts are a bit more advanced but some of the street interviews are geared towards lower levels when possible). Also, Dreaming French is supposed to come out before the end of the year and I know the Dreaming team to do a very good job both in terms of quality and quantity of content.

>>216100851
Lol you fucking hypocrite

>>216101275
>you should only look up words every 3-4 minutes
I look up every single word I don't know, and I don't pause I just have the WASD hotkeys installed to rewind to the start of the sentence and do that for every sentence I don't understand

Should I sub to dreaming spanish to get good enough for normal CI or is there something else I should do. Ive got 1k anki words done but still dont understand hardly anything

>>216100811
>>216099668
>Hebrew
Do they really doing some great business and are clever enterprotuers in Israel? I would rather think of Brazilians unironically
>Yiddish
It's basically dialect of German and Orthodox Jews aren't even rich I think
>English
Yeah, besides English which is obvious choice

>>216101815
I've been doing it for a few months now and I definitely recommend it.

>>216101418
>>216101151
Interesting content is important. I learned German basically on accident in my late teens. I was obsessed with some german singers/bands and would memorize all their songs and watch all their interviews. This was back before there were automatic english translations for everything, so there were no subtitles, so I would just sit there with google translate in a separate window and try to type what the words sounded like until I figured out what was being said. I wasn't even trying to learn German, I was just really interested in the musicians and wanted to know what they were saying.

imo thats super critical for language learning. kids statistically forget almost everything they forget in school, because the information feels disconnected so eventually gets dropped out of the brain. If you're watching content where you're really motivated to understand what's being said (and don't just slap NL subtitles on it) you can progress very quickly

>>216101418
Here's a collection of dozens of French CI resources covering numerous accents: https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/French

Find something understandable and interesting and start watching it. If you stick with this, you'll have native content unlocked quickly

>>216101815
The sub is definitely worth it for the first 50-100 hours at the very least. Drop it later if you no longer use it. That's why I did

>>216101501
You'll need more input than that before you can understand natives or speak with confidence. When you get to around 500-600 hours of input, you should have plenty of interesting native content available to you. With only 1hr/day for 6-8 months, you'll still solidly be in learner content territory

>look up reviews of a product focused on teaching reading
>reviews are all people claim it's shit for not teaching enough speaking and shilling their speaking-based courses and tutoring

>look up reviews for narrowly-focused speaking program
>reviews are people shilling their own reading courses and complaining it lacks reading

It's all so tiresome. Everyone is a fucking hack shill.

It always seems to be viewed as "Will this course/service/book teach me to read, write, understand, and recite classical poetry in the target language, and will it also suck my dick and do my taxes?" Rather than "Is it better than the alternatives and more efficient than just immersing, i.e. what does it give in in a few months for a few bucks?"

>>216101909
not that anon but wow, thank you so much for linking this. not sure why it isn't in OP or even the /int/ wiki. i found some good stuff for my TL and i'm excited. thank you!!!

>>216101815
It's worth it in my opinion. It's very useful for listening practice.

>>216100922
Shows made for children are still made for natives. A 5 year old native speaker has 5 years of listening to the language under his belt. A 5 year old can regular use ~2500 words, and can recognize twice to three times as many. And another big difference is that they learned to recognize those words primarily by sound, whereas second language learners typically have much more experience with the word in written form. So it makes sense that you struggle to understand TV that children can understand. That's why you have to use stuff designed for learning.

>>216102459
Cool, I'm happy it helped you

so close to korean fluency, I can feel it...must get there..fuuuuu

>>216102806
What's the last hurdle?

>>216055586 (OP)
Find a negra

>>216102839
currently I know almost all the words I hear in regular speech but have trouble recognizing them in real-time, and still need to learn a few more word endings/morphemes

>>216100471
sweeping TL-chan off her feet to live an idyllic life together in the country, speaking your TL every day, raising your bilingual kids...

Continuing to chug along in chunks through my frequency dictionary. I will go straight into Japanese with the Ribingu biberu (bible) and anime or I will die trying. I will not use CI Japanese. I will not watch peppa pig.


My issue with CI is that watching materials I am disinterested in IS STUDYING and it feels like it. So if I spend an hour sort of getting chunks of anime that takes no time from my hour of direct study, but if I do an hour of CI stuff I will not want to do any other direct study that day, so I might as well do direct study.

>>216102878
Can't you watch stuff over and over?

i consume non-english content almost 24/7 and basically live vicariously in other countries. Whenever I venture into the real world I get a culture shock at how insufferably bad white women are

if you live in a country with no white women you don't suffer

Keep working hard! Think about the future and how accomplished you'll feel when you realize how far you've come with your TL.

>>216103926
>i consume non-english content almost 24/7 and basically live vicariously in other countries. Whenever I venture into the real world I get a culture shock

>>216102926
What are you watching, 日本語bro? I'm slowly watching Cardcaptor Sakura and starting to recognise common words at least, but it's still hard to understand sentences beyond their general meaning. Japanese little girls are built different, man.

>>216104732
NTA but my order was:
>Cardcaptor Sakura (Absolutely recommend)
>Isekai ojisan (too difficult, don't recommend until later levels)
>Some of Yowamushi Pedal (Decent immersion but I didn't really enjoy it)
>Bocchi the Rock (Recommend)

Now I'm doing VNs. This isn't anime but I watched a few episodes of Terrace House: Opening New Doors and it was alright. I'm not a fan of dramas but it was good immersion for everyday conversation. My favorite phrase was from the twink who said his タイプ is お母さん気質. The snowboarder is a chad but the hosts are insufferable.

Damn I forgot how much fun reading Old Norse is
I haven't read any in an entire month

>>216057229
I am input monk and a pseudo-dabbler. My inability to choose between Russian, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese prevented me from learning anything for ~5 years.
I crossed out Russian completely at this point. Chinese I have crossed off for the most part, but I start feel the slight pull to learn it. But probably not.

I settled on Japanese, started and made decent progress. But I feel the pull to Korean and always on the verge of starting that too. But I havent, Ive stuck with the Japanese. But the desire is there and strong.

>>216105292
>>216057229
These are fucking hilarious. Getting into the language learning communities is super new to me. And people have their stereotypes, inside jokes, ecelebs, all made with wojaks. Its just funny.

ci is difficult because I get horny hearing my tl being spoken

>>216094931
Appendix Probi?

Arriba

>>216105292
>inputter
>Dutch

>>216105355
Interesting.

FACT: Korean using Hangul instead of characters actually makes it harder
it would be easier if they still used mixed script

God the urge to study German has been growing for the past few weeks
I don't know why but the past few weeks I've been feeling a burst of my usual Europhilia and disgust with the present state of the world

I know there's plenty of Turks and Turkish learners here, so I want to ask for some good resources for absolute beginners. I still don't know if I want to learn it properly to actually speak it, but I am planning to go there for a few weeks during the holidays, and would like to be able to say and understand at least some basic stuff.

>>216089497
>>216089597
r in mandarin descends from ny in middle Chinese which was pronounced as zh in many dialects as an intermediate step
ny > zh > r (> y)
so more conservative dialects might use zh

>>216108077
>learning the most useless language in the world
has the elitism in this board not gotten to you yet? why would you want to know what some pig who doesnt speak english in 2025 is saying?

>>216108027
>disgust with the present state of the world
I know german, used to be a huge germanophile and even lived there for a while. It's been infected in recent years like the rest of the world. There's porn culture, talk of 'toxic masculinity', identity politics, one of the highest per capita concentrations of trannies, normalization of bdsm, gender hostility, gender ideology, increase in selfishness and individualism, brainrot, etc. It was great 10-15 years ago but not so much anymore. I'd still much rather live there than the US, but, if you want to get away from that kind of shit asia is your only option
(although asia has its own cultural baggage like confucianism/age relations/etc. there's nowhere in the world anymore thats just cool and chill, everywhere is fucked up in one way or another.)

konnichiwagwan minna-slimes

>>216101622
Retard you can feel shit for a bitch and not come into a /Lang/ thread crying about how le life is heckin over woe is me.
Fucking loser

>>216101845
>Lil bro doesn't know about the 0% interest loans

>>216108682
>Retard you can feel shit for a bitch
english men are so romantic and sophisticated

>>216108806
Not only is he right about that faggot, he's shown that bongs and burgers aren't so different after all...

>>216108311
The Europe I love died and was buried with the fall of the Soviet Union, the rise of Hitler was the fatal wound

>>216108682
>waaaaah you're ruining my safe space!!!!
Mate why would I care if I shit up a thread on this shithole of a site?

>>216110182
I don't care about that. I'm just pointing out how much of a specimen you are. It's good for keeping the thread alive though so keep coming back to sperg out.

>>216110433
You absolutely care

>>216057229
>The Ancestral A2
The real reason heritage speakers aren't fluent is because their cousin called them a "no sabo" in elementary school and they are traumatized for life.

上

What do they call a "hole" in your TL?

They don't tell you how easy it is to learn a language if you already like reading and can do it 2-3+ hours a day.
Next year I'll be fluent in 4 without even really trying.
Anki gooning helps a lot too but not everyone is able to do that shit an hour a day I guess, good luck reading jap at close to native speed without it.

>>216114224
穴

>>216115144
穴 means cave
洞 or 孔 are hole

>>216115295
https://jisho.org/search/%E7%A9%B4 second definition

>>216114224
mujer

>>216115497
>mujer
¡Ay, caramba!

>>216115295
He means Japanese, not Chinese. 穴 (Ana) is hole. Cave is 洞窟 (Doukutsu)

it has come to this

>>216117785
Based

>>216117785
*snort snort*

>>216116283
oh its jap lol
洞 can mean cave in old place names but it usually refers to a hole in modern Chinese
穴 I only ever see to mean cave

checked out italki
how some of them charge 80 for a conversation sheeeeit

>>216119356
are they hot girls?

>>216105355
here's a question i have for you. have you read any hentai in your tl?

>>216119565
lot of dudes and old ladies

>>216119356
Strip club pricing, lol

gʷumkʷ

People say that you remember bad, fucked up memories much longer. How can we combine that with language learning?

>>216122922
Noam Chomsky says that negative feelings and stress create an "affective filter" that blocks language from being properly acquired.

But maybe Chomsky is a hack and misery-maxxing is a language learning cheat code

>>216122922
automatic electric shock when you fail an anki review

>>216123881
Chomsky would say either of the conceptions could be true or false; that the two aren't necessarily connected.

>>216122922
Hit on a group of girls in your TL.
Doesn't matter whether they understand a single word.

>>216055586 (OP)
el aventuro de papitos fritos y el frio tio
>>216078318
do you speak french?

>>216126103
papas fritas, chips, french fried
fried dad and cold uncle.
'cool':
frio
guay
chevre?
'cabron'(PR only)
and probably more
bonito
genial
mas brutal
this was cool, that was cool, 'cool', 'woah,cool dude'
party: ?
fiesta
vacilaron
rumba

Bros I feel the pull to introduce a 3rd language when I barely scratched the surface of my TL

>>216126212
fried dad would be papasito/papito frito
papasitos fritos would be 'fried dads' wouldn't it

>>216122922
Hire a dominatrix to bully and rape you in your TL

>>216102874
>>216078687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkE8pfJdkU
Todo esta BIEN

in your target language, how do you say "feeling like shit bros, just want to talk to her"?

>>216127294
Anki will fix you.

>>216127730
im just playing a bunch of frusciante songs on the guitar. its not working but they're expressive.

Bros ich habe gestern mit einer Deutschen Frau über Jurisprudenz gesprochen. Sie will mir nächste Woche wieder sprechen, aber ich bin wirklich debil. Haben jedem Hinweise, wie ich meine Dummheit maskiert kann???

>>216127294
je ne parle pas aux femmes, c'est dégoûtant

>>216127900
Look up basic information regarding natural law and legal positivism and have a discussion about that. Its very easy for you to argue, even without jurist knowledge, if you believe that legal/moral principles (such as if stealing / murder is inherently bad) exist innately (natural law) or if we are inherently born in a tabula rasa type of way regarding that sort of thing and the only thing that governs us is what is posited by authorities in forms of laws etc (legal positivism).
t. laya

>>216114513
Fucking great for you man extra fucking happy for you.

>>216127909
Basé

>>216114513
The trick is to be unemployed so you can input all day everyday

>>216129441
Employment really is the root of all modern malaise.

>>216068562
aramaic

>>216122922
>>216126610
This. If you haven't hired a sexy woman to dominate and degrade you in your TL you aren't serious about language learning and should just give up.

chinese books recommendations at around upper hsk4-hsk5?

>>216119603
was gonna say "I'd be very surprised if there were any" but picrel is proof anything is possible
(all of it disgusts me and I will not open any of them)

>>216119603
>>216131430
okay I lied. I read one and mined some interesting words.. anything is a learning resource people!

thread go up

>>216133582
worst member of blackpink, free
should've been an actor

>>216133582
I am now learning Korean.

children's media is actually some of the hardest to inpoot with, due to nonstandard language and wacky voices.

>>216133614
she is a perfect angel with no flaws whatsoever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKKfBI8KeGo

Good morning, tsaars.
I just finished Maelle's game in French. It's very good and it has a lot of input, so I'm shilling it.
Also no blacks past the prologue and no gay shit at all.

>>216131410
《活着》余华
《卖血记》余华
Realistically you need to get to about hsk5 before you can read simple novels comfortably
But if you have a dictionary to hand you'll do fine with these

>>216056070
Nice

>>216134242
It depends on the specific media. Some are like that, but others are easier like Avatar for example.

Get the new made

>>216137300
fomyeg

>>216137300
>>216137407
there's already one up but it sucks