Thread 216058177

Iberia had all of its means at the service of resource extraction from the New World starting in the 1500s. Meanwhile the rest of Europe could only afford the pursuit of its technological, artistical and philosophical feats, thanks to the steady supply of those resources, allowing for their leveraging in financial markets, and their refinement, which Iberia could not also afford, generating know how and more added value, and thus more wealth in the long run.
Without Iberia rich Europe would be a backwards shithole today. Thank us.

>>216058177 (OP)
Thanks Portugal, i appreciated it

>>216058177 (OP)
Technological advancement led to colonization, not the other way around

>>216058385
Colonization led to resources without which a certain technological advancement would have not been possible. Also you're irrelevant.

>>216058177 (OP)
Fuck Iberia

>>216058434
What resources are you talking about, and how were they necessary my irrelevance bro

>>216058496
yeah your female ancestors did that

>>216058519
My male ancestors fucked indigenous women. Yours stayed in Europe, so it's not the gag that you think it is

>>216058556
>Yours stayed in Europe
thank god

>>216058500
For example, Europe could not have afforded so many of its feats without the backing of vast amounts of gold. Which we provided mostly.

>>216058519
buddy you're catholics don't pretend it was just the women

>>216058177 (OP)
Thank you Iberians for potatoes and tomatoes

>>216058177 (OP)
you got cucked by the anglos dutch and jews
asking them for thanks is a pathetic cope

>>216058590
Which feats were funded by Portuguese gold?

>>216058608
>you got cucked by the anglos dutch and jews
It's called symbiosis. We did the labor intensive part. They did the thinking intensive part. In the end you have total Euro domination (US is part of the Eurosphere cope and seethe)

>>216058620
Wars. Investments. More wars. Cool buildings.

>>216058756
Can you be more specific? Are you implying that Portuguese wars and buildings (funded by Portuguese gold) somehow benefit the rest of Europe

>>216058177 (OP)
praise SPAIN PORTUGAL UK FRANCE GERMANY etc etc

SPAIN PORTUGAL UK FRANCE USA
they all deserve more, it seems.
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did you guys ever think of the reason why TF there is no non-christian nation in both american continents?
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>>>216058385
>Technological advancement led to colonization

The gap between euroasian civilization & amerindian civilization wasnt that big. In fact, the whole colonization process was more nuanced that people think. In north america it wasnt completely done until after the whole industrial revolution was in full effect. Before that, native americans were not uncommonly kicking settler asses and going so far into mexico wrecking havoc in cities.

Sure enough Europe was already a merchantilist civilization before columbus set sail to the americas but without the massive amount of silver & gold, europe would had never achieved its capitalist status. You need gigantic amounts of currency for reinvesting until you get things like steam powered machines.

>>216058630
>US is part of the Eurosphere cope and seethe)

Does picrel seems like a relationships between equals?

Thank you, Spain, for the free silver. And thank you Portugal, for the free colonies.

>>216058901
>>216058956
>>216059088
People are taught how evil colonialism was these days, the people here who praise it are just really racist and rotten to the core.
>>216059119
I think hes talking in terms of prasing genocide and happy that American culture is still mostly influence by the european heritage. He probably doesn't even think about the fact that nonwhite cultures like the African cultures that the enslaved black people had.

>>216058816
Buildings elsewhere were probably only built because of the downstream of iberian gold.

>>216059313
had contributed to American culture since before we were even founded*

>>216059119
>The gap between euroasian civilization & amerindian civilization wasnt that big
Yeah the aztecs could have easily sailed into Europe and colonized it
>You need gigantic amounts of currency for reinvesting until you get things like steam powered machines
Do you though? Why didn't the industrial revolution start in Spain then? Money and gold are only mediums of exchange, not a resource that's necessary in and of itself

>>216058901
>>216058956
>>216059088
We gave you tempura, arigato and God knows what else. When a Portuguese man is speaking, you sit down, and listen.

>>216059285
And don't forget our jews!

>>216059313
>he people here who praise it are just really racist and rotten to the core.
as you know, they are the majority in white counries, right?

>>216059358
>Why didn't the industrial revolution start in Spain then?
Because, as is the point of the thread, Iberia mostly foucsed on resource extraction. The other powers benefited from it by acquiring it and investing it elsewhere, like public works, wars, and patronage of learning institutions.

>>216059358
>Yeah the aztecs could have easily sailed into Europe and colonized it

The mayans were commonly navigating the yucatan peninsula. Andean too had maritime technology. Sure enough, amerindian civilizations never developed great maritime technology such as it happened in Eurasia but this has to do with the isolationism in which they were contained, meanwhile Eurasians were intermingling with each other for millenia sharing technological advancements.

>>216059358
>Why didn't the industrial revolution start in Spain then? Money and gold are only mediums of exchange, not a resource that's necessary in and of itself

Money under capitalism and merchantilism is a currency. Capitalists compel people to make stuff to get more money to buy more stuff ad nauseum.

The fact that Spain didnt industrialize is because they didnt manage to overthrow their semifeudal hidalguistic regime (the comuneros failed) thus all the surplus money went to personal expenses of the hidalguia (ie semifeudal aristocratic class) instead of the productive processes, so they just bought everything from the dutch & english

>>216059358
>Why didn't the industrial revolution start in Spain then?
Napoleon raped the country and the Brits double raped the country by blowing up all the factories that were opening at the time with TNT.

>>216059579
>is a currency

* is a commodity

>>216059358
the industrial revolution was caused by a large number of factors but the main ones are that it started in England because they had a surplus of coal, Europe was wealthy and had the capital to finance new things, and they had lost a lot of manpower because of the disease that had swept through.
>Yeah the aztecs could have easily sailed into Europe and colonized it
Their empire was in a period of growth because they had a very stable transfer of power after the deaths of leaders and they were at the center of the Americas and enjoyed a very far reaching trade network because of that. They would have literally no reason to invest anything in exploring the oceans.
>>216059528
Almost half of white people who voted voted against trump, I don't think racists are the majority.

>>216059720
>I don't think racists are the majority.
what? orange and MAGAtards proved it.

>>216059653
Also, 10% of the Spanish population was killed in the Peninsular War.

>>216058177 (OP)
>>216058500
Just say thank you for all of this that we brought from America. And that we also took lots of things from Europe to America. Just all of these changed the world forever. Imagine Europe without tomato, potatoes, coffee, chocholate, corn, and many other things.


We also took the silver from America to China and this made China a new Empire (Ming dinasty) because they used the silver to pay their soldiers.

>>216059749
A lot of people were just stupid and didn't vote. Trump supporters aren't the majority.

>>216059358
People don´t know but we invented the steam engine 100 years before the English. He even showed that it worked for mining yet ....there was no investment to make it further.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Jer%C3%B3nimo_de_Ayanz_y_Beaumont

Jerónimo de Ayanz y Beaumont (1553 – 23 March 1613) was a Spanish soldier, painter, astronomer, musician and inventor. He pioneered the use and design of the steam engine, as well as mining ventilation systems, improved scientific instrumentation, developed windmills and new types of furnaces for metallurgical, industrial, military, and even domestic operations. He invented a diving bell, patented an immersion suit tested before the court of Felipe III in Pisuerga, on August 2, 1602, and designed a submarine.[1]

>>216059454
without jews you lose
i wonder how iberia and latam would be like today if you hadn't sperged out against them

>>216059579
>>216059720
I was going to point out that aztecs were literally living in the bronze age, and even that is being generous. But I lack the autism to argue over this

>>216059922
World spanning undefeated MAGNA HISPANIA VNIVERSALIS

>>216058177 (OP)
thanks for creating our beautiful women

Zainichi thread

>>216059837
then why are you guys seething MUH WHITE GENOCIDE?
you also think that america is white country, right?

>>216060034
No, thank YOU, Brazil, for giving this gift to us!

>>216059968
That's just not correct though and it's just racism and not even correct racism. The Purepecha had started using bronze axes as the common weapon for their armies before the Spanish came. They couldn't import enough to make armor though. It still didn't really offer enough advantage over obsidian when it came to cotton armor to give them any sort of superiority over the Mexica.

i don't think Spain is in that much of a bad shape but Portugal is grim, imagine going from a colonizer powerhouse to their current state lol

>>216060093
I'm anti-racist. A lot of the posters on this board are racist because the culture of this website attracts those kinds of people. They are not representative of the American population at large.

>>216060183
you avoided to answer the question probably on purpose.
you think that america is white country, right?

>>216060149
Why do you think Portugal started modern colonialism in the first place

>>216060144
Okay, but they were bronze age then? If ironworking wasn't common in the slightest but bronze was, somewhat, then they were Bronze Age. I don't think there is any shame in admitting this, nor in acknowledging that the Americas were a rather isolated area compared to Eurasiafrica, which made technological diffusion more limited.

>>216060372
yeah tbf you know it was always a shithole when a bunch of them actually emigrated to Brazil until rather recently

>>216060149
They got BTFO'd by an earthquake and didn't recover until the 1900s

>>216060310
No, America is fundamentally a multicultural country. America achieved what it did because of the contributions of all races.

>>216060477
Nothing to do with shitholiness, just an isolated country with no natural resources. If you think Portugal is a shithole then I have bad news for you

>>216060508
That's a terrible theory considering Portugal was going through a second golden age when it happened that continued afterwards. What really fucked us up was the civil war a century after

>>216060640
>America is fundamentally a multicultural country.
so american christians think that every country in the world is multicultural country, right?
and then you christians have been commiting human trafficking along with UK christians, right?

>>216058177 (OP)
Thank you for spreading the word of Christ throughout the world :)

>>216060827
it is absolutely a shithole lol, even brazilians are coming back from your country

This fucking thread

>>216060831
Most countries have different cultures and histories of immigration, but most countries still aren't as multicultural as the US, although some are more than us.
>and then you christians have been commiting human trafficking along with UK christians, right?
I don't understand what you're trying to say here or anything in the image that you posted.

>>216059815
>still no thanks
Ungrafetful bastards!

>>216061068
>I don't understand what you're trying to say here or anything in the image that you posted.
she is an american baputist who is the member of US government, IMO and chatham house(the royal institute in UK).
she the protestant christian has been sending people from poor countries to other countries along with USA and UK.
human(labour) trafficking for US international mega companies.
they are not even refugees. she is just sending those 3rd workers to western countries and the slave countries.

>>216061068
those 3rd worlders have a right to go to christian countries but why tf do you christians send those ex-slaves of white people to japan?
they dont speak japanese and dont share same value with us.

you guys should take them. but we dont deserve it.

>>216058385
they were leaders in technology that led to colonization

USA should take all the people of ex-white(christian)-colonies for the good of your majesty and his servants.
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its christians duty for white(european christian) countries to take all the migrants and refugees.
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dont send them to japan.
we are not christian.
koreans are christian. so you guys can send them to south korea.
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japan is not korea. dont mistake.

>>216060144
>aztecs were still in the bronze age
>WELL AKSHUALLY AZTECS HAD SOME BRONZE WEAPONS!!! EPIC DEBOONK!!!
How fucking retarded are you? Like how can you be this stupid? Did you not read my post, or did you imagine a strawman and then "debunk" that by agreeing with me?