Thread 216133334

>dude I totally learned English just by watching tv and youtube
>no, those years of classes in school had nothing to do with it
why are euros like this?

>>216133334 (OP)
They might be right though, Germans are forced through nine years of English (three English, three American and three Australian I hear) and some of them still can't speak it and apparently their teachers are incredibly arrogant ESLs who aren't fluent and insist their students repeat their mistakes and make up illusory rules about English.
It's sad, they shouldn't be forced to learn a second language as part of schooling, no one no matter how poor and irrelevant should.

>>216133334 (OP)
I learned English watching the real housewives of Atlanta and that's how I be talkin

>>216133334 (OP)
>>no, those years of classes in school had nothing to do with it
By that logic most of Japs would be fluent in English, which is not the case. In many countries where they study English for years people barely speak it.

>>216133334 (OP)
Never seen a single person who can speak English fluently with Korean English education systems, especially in South Korea. NEVER.

>>216133334 (OP)
You're right. These retards just never go beyond English and perhaps Romance "languages" so they don't have a clue how much harder is learning a new language completely anew.

>>216133378
>>216133395
I want to help ESLs learn english by taking samples of their writing or listening to them speak, then explaining the natural way and why, but not in strict grammatical terms (which I don't know/remember), rather in intuitive terms about how the word is used.
And it seems like there are a lot of people trying to fix their English who would like this too.
But I don't know where or how to do this online without having to talk to redditor types or pedo types.
Any ideas?
I don't speak any other languages but I sort of "understand" how they work from talking to so many ESLs and I can usually work out what they're trying to say even if they are low level and use a lot of wrong words or grammar.

>>216133442
Don't help them.

>>216133334 (OP)
how is your french?

Who cares now the AI can speak and write FOR you in any language.

I can assure you that it definitely helped. People who had no contact with the English language other than in school were barely able to speak the language while people who consumed media like youtube videos, video games and other things with English dub performed better in class. English classes are for better grammar while the consumption of media is the practice most people lack since they don‘t live in the country where the language they‘re learning is spoken.
>>216133361
This too to an extent. You learn a new word, use it and they go „NO, ZATS NOT IN THE VOCABULARY WE TAUGHT CHU! WE DON‘T USE THAT HERE!“.

>>216133334 (OP)
When I have read ESL posts about learning English through English media, they say they looked up words and such when they were very young by themselves, such that when they did start English classes in school they already had a headstart and could pass their classes easily.

School just reinforces what many of them began independently.

>>216133361
Every human should be taught English and in the General American accent specifically.

Your life is 10x better minimum when you know English.

>>216133334 (OP)
because it is true. in my first english lesson my teacher expressed her surprise about how well i spoke english already. She asked me and i answered that it was because i played so much pokemon growing up. i caught flak for that from my friends until the 6th year of high shool

You also make the ridiculoupus assumption that language classes in high school are an adequate way of learning language. If high shool language classes worked, most americans would be fluent in spanish.

we also get german and french classes in high school, but no one speaks german and french anywhere close to how well they speak english becaude we are not exposed to those nearly as much. Exposure is one of the most well attested language learning lessons. It's strange to cast doubt upon it.

>>216133474
I want to help them.
>>216133497
DeepL really is amazing.
I want a cute ESL gf who talks to me using her phone TTS.
>>216133561
I don't know about that one chief.

thank you USA, you are my best friend

>>216133732
I love you Finland.
Total world peace now.

>>216133442
language exchange apps? most people want to learn english so you can set any language as a target and help them. They will never want to speak in their own native language (which is a common complaint from native english speakers that use those apps)

>>216133764
wanna make out
Let's be fair though american military hegemony best that has ever happened to the world

>>216133588
So many people on this site have said they learned English to understand Pokemon.

>>216133778
What is an app you'd suggest? Any for desktop? And can I set every other language at once?
>>216133782
Yeah, I think if there is any chance of relative world peace restoring in the near future it will involve American military hegemony staying or even expanding a bit. In particular the US navy's ability to be anywhere or everywhere on the globe at once helps demoralize and humiliate genocidal movements unless they're really far inland, especially in a case where there are strategic bases and carriers everywhere, but they rarely actually intervene, but do at least once a generation. It's like instead of fearing burning in Hell forever, even someone who doesn't believe in something like that can still fear that if they genocide too loudly the Americans will notice and send a missile a tenth of a mile underground to kill their whole cave they spent decades digging out.
Sad it has to be like that but glad we're doing it I guess.
>>216133941
Why didn't they learn Nipponese?

>>216134042
Because they do not use the Latin alphabet nor Romaji for that matter in their media.

>>216133334 (OP)
I learned german by listening to german songs and looking up the lyrics and memorizing them, and watching interviews of the german singers/band members and looking up the words they said. I've never taken a single german class ever or ever read a german textbook.

the thing is that language learning has a lot to do with emotional salience and connection to existing information. If it's just isolated dry information it will just pass out of your brain without sticking. you need to either talk to peoplein the language or engage with content that's interesting [without english subtitles] that's the only way to learn effectively

>>216133941
Not really "to understand pokemon", but just by playing pokemon. As a 7 yo I had the patience to just stare at my DS all day and didn't care that I didn't understand anything as long as I got to battle my pokemons

>>216134042
>Why didn't they learn Nipponese?
because pokemon wasn't released in japanese here. We got the english versions

>>216134200
Was it Pokemon red? I never played as a kid but as an adult I tried emulating them and really only liked first and second gen

>>216133334 (OP)
I got no grades from school due to how much I skipped classes, didn't go to high school.
I learned English while on Ventrilo and watching English media.

>>216133334 (OP)
>those years of classes in school
Yeah, and the classds were terrible, that's why most Spaniards suck at English. I learnt more English on my own after leaving highschool that in 8 years of school.
Same goes for a lot of other countries.

>>216133941
I chose to learn English over French in elementary school because my family was poor (2008 crash) and couldn't afford a legal version of Pokemon Yellow, so they got me a pirated version for mh old sister Game Boy Color, which was in english and I couldn't understand shit. I even went to the school library to translate the pokemon moves every now on then

>>216133334 (OP)
Classes teach you grammar, but they don’t enrich your vocabulary that much, especially colloquial vocabulary (fr no cap). Books teach you the smarty-pants words. Movies and videogames tell you how people actually talk irl.

I learned to read French literature by reading a short textbook and then grinding literature
For a zoomer who started learning English as a kid, it makes perfect sense since they're grinding youtube slop all day

>>216134784
Also based on my experience with language learning, textbooks don't really teach you the language they just give you the tools to start to learn the language

>>216133334 (OP)
I wouldn't go as far as saying it had nothing to do with it, but it most certainly wasn't the most important factor

Because english classes in Portugal are heavily focoused on grammar, so i remember being able to write better texts and have better conversation skills, and understanding than some of my peers who had better grades than me, bcause they would memorise the grammar, but lacked vocabulary skills to have a conversation

>>216133334 (OP)
I totally did dude. I like watched soo much Minecraft content bro like I'm not even kidding. Thousands of hours of bedwars, skywars, cannon fights, survival playthroughs, build tutorials, mod playthroughs, etc have like totallyy etched it into my brain or something, dude. I've never met a teacher that was above a B2 in English and my highschool teacher (who was the most popular guy in town and had 300 kids per class in his private lessons) pronounced chores (/tʃ/) as korus (/k/). School had nothing to do with it bro dude bro.

Note: the frat bro style spam of "dude" and "bro" was just to make fun of OP sounding like a redditor. I don't think this is a normal way for people to text or speak.

>>216133334 (OP)
>dude I totally learned English just by watching tv and youtube
that is true is the way to learn, you cock sucker cum eater

>>216135143
>that is true is the way to learn

A lot of merchants don't exactly have many years of full time schooling. Yet they are somehow fluent in multiple languages.

It really helps being exposed to different stuff 24/7 willingly

>>216133334 (OP)
>I totally learned English just by watching tv and youtube

Osmosis. My parents watched Desperate Housewives back when I was a kid, and I was just listened

>>216133334 (OP)
It's another monolingual thinking you actually learn to speak another language in school thread

>>216133334 (OP)
considering we were still learning how to call the weather (cloudy, sunny) at the end of highschool, I don't think school is very effective, especially considering most people suck at english despite everybody taking mandatory english classes (yep we're cuck just like that)

>>216133334 (OP)
We started learning English in third grade and I was already fluent by then from watching Cartoon Network.
I would just sleep in the back of the class and the teacher only called on me when no one else in class could answer her question.
If you actually want to know why this happens then look up "universal grammar".

>>216135452
>considering we were still learning how to call the weather (cloudy, sunny) at the end of highschool
wtf were you doing before?

>>216137479
You think the average american is able to express those things in Spanish?

>>216137479
the same thing. the level was always so low that every year we would basically repeat what we've done in previous years
It's not possible to learn a language at school. I don't think there has ever been a single person that learned english from school alone

>>216137479
Probably repeating conjugations of past/present/perfect tenses over and over and over again for 12 years straight exactly like us with some very basic vocabulary on top. Maybe even a reading assignment or two in the last year if the kids are lucky

>>216133334 (OP)
Not everyone chooses english classes. No idea what's it like for zoomzooms these days, but I got german and russian instead.

>>216139338
Did you attend school in the USSR, gramps?

>>216139397
Not quite, graduated in 2004, I think.

>>216133561
>General American accent
disgusting
i propose Mid-Atlantic. sounds great it old movies

>>216133334 (OP)
lol

>>216133434
Depends on language you want to learn and languages you're already fluent in