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Anonymous United Kingdom No.216155722 [Report] >>216155998 >>216156473 >>216156923 >>216157172 >>216157366 >>216157953 >>216159156 >>216159962 >>216160525 >>216161117
Germany:
>The world must sanction Russia!
Also German:
..No! Not like that!
Anonymous Argentina No.216155998 [Report] >>216159206
>>216155722 (OP)
kek, the krauts know that CIA sabotaged Nord Stream 2 and still beg them, what a bunch of pussies
Anonymous United States No.216156254 [Report]
All my niggas hate Germany
Anonymous Poland No.216156294 [Report]
I will always stand by Germany, if they need gas I will eat bigos every day and produce so much gas basf will up their production by 300%
Anonymous United States No.216156328 [Report] >>216156346 >>216156395
>europeans expect america to fund ukraine when they're funding russia
Anonymous Germany No.216156329 [Report] >>216159168
German foreign minister just got stood up after the Chinese cut off German industry of 40% of their chip supply after the Dutch nationalized one of their semiconductor companies overnight because the Americans bullied them.

I am surprised that they are still trying to get some exceptions instead of going along completely. Make no mistake we are basically on par with LatAm comprador puppet governments at this point.
Anonymous Germany No.216156346 [Report]
>>216156328
>subsidiaries are funding their parent company
actual retardation
Anonymous Germany No.216156395 [Report] >>216156512
>>216156328
The US still gets like 90% of their Uranium from Russia. The US imposes global sanctions and then only exempts their own companies.
Anonymous Italy No.216156473 [Report] >>216156517 >>216156591 >>216159155
>>216155722 (OP)
It's incredible how Germans literally cannot break free from their last conditioning without getting exterminated and occupied. They got programmed to keep going with free trade and they'll keep going until their entire country get destroyed
Anonymous Poland No.216156512 [Report] >>216156544
>>216156395
We had to give up all our produced enriched uranium once a few years, last time in 2016
>Poland has supplied Russia with highly enriched uranium, enough to build 28 nuclear bombs. The last shipment took place in September 2016. This was part of an agreement with the United States
Luckily now we don't and we just stockpile
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216156517 [Report] >>216156592
>>216156473
>they'll keep going until their entire country get destroyed
And how will free trade destroy Germany? The exact opposite seems to be happening with the German economy, the more it decouples from Russia the lower German industrial output falls.
Anonymous Germany No.216156544 [Report] >>216156811
>>216156512
and still get your oil from Russia
Anonymous Germany No.216156591 [Report]
>>216156473
What the fuck are you babbling about. We live in the era of trade wars, the era of free trade that is over and it has a devastating effect on the German economy. What a retarded post.
Anonymous Italy No.216156592 [Report] >>216156624 >>216156649 >>216156671
>>216156517
They don't understand countries should shift from free trade to securing key supply lines. They're probably dumb enough to believe it would be a smart idea to go back buying russian gas and move production to china right after the war
Anonymous Germany No.216156624 [Report]
>>216156592
>shilling protectionism in post war globalized economy
Anonymous Germany No.216156649 [Report] >>216156687 >>216156768 >>216157519
>>216156592
We have shifted to Qatari, American and Indian (actually Russia still) energy imports and it's fucking us over retard. Turns out being dependent on energy imports that have to be shipped across the globe instead of your next door neighbor is utterly devastating economically.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216156671 [Report]
>>216156592
>They don't understand countries should shift from free trade to securing key supply lines.
That was what Nordstream 2 was for. Because that blew up, German car makers have to shift production outside of Germany to places with lower energy costs like Hungary.
Anonymous Italy No.216156687 [Report] >>216156745 >>216156746 >>216156761
>>216156649
Then reopen your nuclear power plants since it's the only energy source that depends very little on the raw material and you can get it from Canada anyways
Anonymous Finland No.216156742 [Report] >>216156800
Humanity would be conquering the stars if we had depopulated the Ruhr, turned it into an international industrial zone and split Germany into North and South (Including Austria) and reduced the population levels to six million in both.
Anonymous Germany No.216156745 [Report] >>216156828 >>216156903 >>216157127
>>216156687
Uranium is a resource Russia has even a higher market share than fucking gas you utter imbecile, shifting to Uranium would make Germany more energy-depedent on Russia than before, even the US is still importing Uranium from Russia right now.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216156746 [Report]
>>216156687
>reopen your nuclear power plants
That's a good idea, but industries still need the chemical inputs derived from natural gas, personally I don't see why both reopening nuclear plants and reactivating nordstream 2 isn't a good idea.
Anonymous Germany No.216156761 [Report] >>216156903 >>216157768
>>216156687
NTA but the boomers are too greentarded to let this happen
also
>tf
>tp
You literally did the fucking same in the 80s, you hypocrite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Italian_referendums
Anonymous Latvia No.216156768 [Report] >>216156828
>>216156649
If only there was a way to produce large amounts of energy anywhere on a planet in a small facility...
Anonymous Germany No.216156800 [Report] >>216157281
>>216156742
This retard thinks destroying the country whose whole point was to be somewhat of an economical counterweight to Russia as a Western-aligned state would weaken Russian influence in Europe, not strengthen it. Everyone laugh at this retard.
Anonymous Poland No.216156811 [Report] >>216156857
>>216156544
>No, Polandno longer buys crude oil or finished fuels from Russia from the end of 2022 and beginning of 2023, due to European Union sanctions, givesReflex.com.plandOnetPoland has fully replaced these supplies with other sources, such as Saudi Arabia, Norway, and the United States, thus cutting itself off from Russian raw materials
????????????????????????
Anonymous Germany No.216156828 [Report] >>216156867 >>216157289
>>216156768
shut the fuck up >>216156745
Anonymous Germany No.216156857 [Report] >>216156898 >>216156900 >>216157051
>>216156811
This is true. Btw, don't check recent trade statistics between Poland and the caucasus states.
Anonymous Germany No.216156867 [Report] >>216157050
>>216156828
Unenriched uranium is dirt cheap. Like 99% of the cost is the ooga booga enrichment procedure with centrifuges.
Anonymous Germany No.216156898 [Report]
>>216156857
>and the caucasus states.
Which ones? Azerbaijan? You know, a major oil exporter?
Anonymous Poland No.216156900 [Report] >>216156971 >>216157170
>>216156857
I don't get it. Are you fucking braindamaged? We build a fucking pipeline connecting us and Norway, it's literally the truth you seething genetical dead end.
Anonymous Italy No.216156903 [Report]
>>216156745
Uranium is abundant enough and is a small fraction of the cost of nuclear energy
>>216156761
>Thinking I'm defending shitaly stance on nuclear
Also we can more easily get our gas from other sources like Algeria
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216156923 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
India is a more independent country than yurop or britistan
Anonymous Brazil No.216156952 [Report]
Quick reminder that Russians won, troons lost
Anonymous United States No.216156966 [Report] >>216157009
It’s kind of crazy how hitlers prediction that Germany would become a puppet of other countries because it lacked its own natural resources was so accurate
Anonymous Poland No.216156971 [Report] >>216157007 >>216157204
>>216156900
We also built a huge fucking GAS terminal to get gas from USA and arabs

Germany uses it too btw
Anonymous Poland No.216157007 [Report]
>>216156971
and this is the OIL sea port that we use and germany uses too btw. BECAUSE YOU NEVER BUILT ANY and that's why we could drop russia and you couldnt
Anonymous Germany No.216157009 [Report]
>>216156966
Maybe because it wasn’t a prediction? Hitler relied on Romania for oil and Indonesia for rubber. Any hoi4 autist can confirm.
Anonymous Germany No.216157050 [Report] >>216157134 >>216157195
>>216156867
>Unenriched uranium is dirt cheap. Like 99% of the cost is the ooga booga enrichment procedure with centrifuges.

What is your fucking point? So was gas, doesn't change that this retard undermines his whole argument by advocating for a resource that increases energy dependency.

>Uranium is abundant enough and is a small fraction of the cost of nuclear energy
Retard alert. Rare metals also are abundant. Doesn't mean shit if there are like 3 countries actually mining and having accessible and economic deposits them with one having like 80% market share and thus a de facto monopoly on prices.
Anonymous Cyprus No.216157051 [Report]
>>216156857
>owning le evil wect by giving up shitload of profits to the middlemen
5d chess, truly
Anonymous Ukraine No.216157127 [Report]
>>216156745
they do it not because they actually needed their reasoning is probably something like the less uranium russia has the better and price is very cheap like 1 NBA player's contract a year, we are getting fuel for our stations for more than 10 years now from american companies and all is good i see no reason why Germany cannot do the same
Anonymous Italy No.216157134 [Report] >>216157204 >>216157243
>>216157050
>Buying uranium from aligned democracies like Canada or Australia is like fueling an hostile dictatorship at your doorstep
Germans are dumb animals
Anonymous Germany No.216157170 [Report] >>216157226
>>216156900
>I don't get it.
>I don't get that my country is massively skirting sanctions by rerouting imports through middlemen states.

Yes we know that you don't know shit.

>You know, a major oil exporter?
Anonymous Canada No.216157172 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
How long has the Ukraine War been going on for? 3 years? And Germany STILL needs Russian braps?
Anonymous Germany No.216157195 [Report] >>216157531
>>216157050
My fucking point is that owning the majority of the market that contributes to the minority of costs is a nothingburger. And Russia isn't even close to being the majority exporter of uranium. Does Kazakhstan own France according to you?
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216157204 [Report] >>216157260
>>216157134
>fueling an hostile dictatorship at your doorstep
How was Russia hostile to Germany?
>muh hybrid warfare drones
Ok, what infrastructure damage have those caused, compared to Nordstream 2 sabotage?
>>216156971
How much more has Poland paid for more expensive gas from Americans and Arabs?
Anonymous Poland No.216157226 [Report] >>216157290 >>216157598
>>216157170
>don't get that my country is massively skirting sanctions by rerouting imports through middlemen states
What? Either you're trolling or you have a double digit IQ but in the low numbers.
How is USA, Norway or Qatar a middle man state you fucking idiot? How is a fucking pipeline going straight to the source a middle man?
Holy fuck you're dumb.
Anonymous Germany No.216157243 [Report] >>216157411
>>216157134
Australia and Canada don't even manage to meet the demands of Western nuclear energy right fucking now, they barely manage to have a tiny share of the supplies the US uses and you retard think they are able to meet the supply when we built 1000 new nuclear plants.

What part of 'even the US is importing Russian ranium right now' didn't you understand?
Anonymous Poland No.216157260 [Report] >>216157394
>>216157204
Sure it's more expensive but you know what more expensive? Having rusniggers on your border or attacking you but I guess as a rusnigger yourself you don't think about that.
Anonymous Finland No.216157281 [Report]
>>216156800
I don't care about Russia, I care about seeing your dysgenic species suffer for it's crime of ruining the world for over two thousand years.
Anonymous Latvia No.216157289 [Report] >>216157419
>>216156828
You are clueless about the economics of uranium extraction. It's not at all like oil or gas where you are limited by how much resource there physically is available for extraction. You could easily x10 current world production at pretty much the same cost of production, the supply is currently limited by how much demand there is. You could literally extract uranium from regular granite rocks and the price of resulting energy would rise only negligibly because fuel costs are a small fraction of total costs.
Anonymous Germany No.216157290 [Report] >>216157378
>>216157226
Wait, Poles don't even know that every single European country, including their own is massively skirting sanctions by still importing from Russia through middleman states? Holy fuck, it's like talking to someone from North Korea lmaooo.
Anonymous Canada No.216157366 [Report] >>216157464
>>216155722 (OP)
I want to occupy Germany and force it to build 25,000 MWh of nuclear generating capacity under an iron fist.
Anonymous Poland No.216157378 [Report] >>216157598
>>216157290
Thank show me how we import through middle man states hivan. Because we don't, we sell shit to russia through Kazahstan or some Tajikistan but it's impossible to buy oil and gas like that you fucking braindead russian nigger.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216157394 [Report] >>216157435
>>216157260
>Having rusniggers on your border or attacking you
When did Russia attack Poland recently?
Anonymous Italy No.216157411 [Report]
>>216157243
It's mainly because Russia has lost of the enrichment facilities. You could build them too you know
Anonymous Germany No.216157419 [Report]
>>216157289
>You could literally extract uranium from regular granite rocks and the price of resulting energy would rise only negligibly because fuel costs are a small fraction of total costs.

They tried that shit in Switzerland in the 80s and it was the dumbest shit ever. Might as well extract Uranium from sea water (for 10 000 times the cost of a silicon solar panel.)
Anonymous Poland No.216157435 [Report] >>216157469 >>216157501
>>216157394
It's waging a hybrid war since a few years with migrants on the belarus border now rusnigger and lets not forget about the drones that flew in or the weekly "we will nuk you, we will kill you all" threats.
Anonymous Germany No.216157464 [Report] >>216157499 >>216157740
>>216157366
Making Germany dependent on Russian Uranium imports would unironically and actually contribute to another golden era of German-Russian alliance that's also in part why the US unironically funded Green anti-nuclear groups in Germany.
Anonymous Poland No.216157469 [Report]
>>216157435
*nuke
whatever
Anonymous Poland No.216157499 [Report] >>216157561
>>216157464
>Making Germany dependent on Russian
and the rusnigger is out of the bag
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216157501 [Report] >>216157567
>>216157435
>It's waging a hybrid war since a few years with migrants on the belarus border
Russia and Belarus are the same country, now?
>lets not forget about the drones that flew in
The debris from those drones being shot down caused more damage to Poland than the actual drones themselves.
>we will nuk you, we will kill you all"
I didn't know Russian tv presenter controlled their nuclear arsenal
Anonymous Finland No.216157519 [Report]
>>216156649
It would be a shame if those energy import pipelines had to go through the butthurt belt. I got sold out for this pipeline? It would be a shame if something happened to this pipeline
Anonymous Germany No.216157531 [Report] >>216157593
>>216157195
The majority of Kazakh uranium mines are owned by Russian-Kazakh state-owned companies joined ventures idiot.
Anonymous Germany No.216157561 [Report] >>216157598 >>216159336
>>216157499
It's you retards that advocate for a nuclear revival that would make Germany even more depedant on Russian imports than during the gas era, not me.
Anonymous Poland No.216157567 [Report] >>216158106
>>216157501
>Russia and Belarus are the same country, now?
They are, that's why you attack ukies from belarus
>The debris from those drones being shot down caused more damage to Poland than the actual drones themselves.
Ah so just let them fly in towards the cities? Ignore that you aimed them at us? Lmao rusdog, hiv burned out your brain.
>I didn't know Russian tv presenter controlled their nuclear arsenal
What about everyone but poopin, lavrov, medvedev, that dyed blond whore spokesman lmao the list can go on and on
Anonymous Germany No.216157593 [Report] >>216157643
>>216157531
>Russian-Kazakh state-owned companies joined ventures
very quick google search
>After more than 20 years as a national company owned solely by Kazakhstan's National Wealth Fund, Samruk-Kazyna, Kazatomprom was taken public with an IPO in November 2018
>After Samruk-Kazyna sold an additional 3.8% of the company's outstanding share capital in September 2019, and another 6.2% sold in June 2020,[10] Samruk-Kazyna JSC remains the majority shareholder holding 75% of the outstanding share capital of Kazatomprom,[11] while 25% are in free circulation and held by minority shareholders from around the world.
Anonymous Poland No.216157598 [Report] >>216157706
>>216157561
lmao just stop denis or whatever you are, you're pathetic and easy to see through

now answer >>216157378 >>216157226
or you can't? :^)
Anonymous Germany No.216157643 [Report] >>216157734
>>216157593
Do you lack effective reading comprehension? Russian doesn't own the Kazakh state-owned energy company, Russian and Kazakh-state owned companies such as Kazatomprom own uranium mines as joint-ventures. Are you this retarded not understanding this difference?
Anonymous Hungary No.216157691 [Report] >>216157765
The most peaceful and prosperous era in human history was destroyed because Poles wanted to rebuild their never was empire.
Anonymous Germany No.216157706 [Report] >>216158924
>>216157598
https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/01/24/polish-exports-to-kyrgyzstan-up-1700-amid-ukraine-war-as-firms-evade-sanctions-on-russia/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Total coincidence that Polish trade with Kyrgyztan jumped 1700% hmmmm.
Anonymous Germany No.216157734 [Report] >>216157819
>>216157643
>Russian and Kazakh-state owned companies such as Kazatomprom own uranium mines as joint-ventures
Point me to a single fucking source that Kazatomprom is a joint Russian-Kazakhstani venture, motherfucker, I dare you, I double dare you.
Anonymous Canada No.216157740 [Report]
>>216157464
CANDU reactors would be forced on Germany so that it can only buy the unenriched uranium fuel bundles from Canada.
Anonymous Finland No.216157765 [Report] >>216158059
>>216157691
>The most peaceful and prosperous era in human history was destroyed because Poles wanted to rebuild their never was empire
Do you say that with no irony
Anonymous United States No.216157768 [Report] >>216157877 >>216157878 >>216157882
>>216156761
Boomers at least partially realize that gaining a dependency on Russian oil and natural gas would make Russia a key player in Europe's industry. Germany isn't suddenly going to tell France to stop relying so heavily on nuclear and force Norway to join the EU. For all of the herp the economy is fake at least someone could have realized that the petrodollar was the core of the USD dollar hegemon, now that the middle east is imploding and pan-arabism is a pipe dream everything is coming up Russia.
Anonymous Germany No.216157819 [Report] >>216157878 >>216157944 >>216158008
>>216157734
Again lack of reading comprehension. Please learn fucking English.

Do you know what a fucking joint-venture is?

Kazatoprom is a state-owned energy company from Kazakhstan. Rosatom is a state-owned company from Russia. Together they own a significant share of uranium mines in Kazakhstan in the form of joint ventures giving the Russian state significant control of Kazakh uranium exports. Do you understand that now that I have it spelled out for you?
Anonymous Italy No.216157877 [Report]
>>216157768
>Germany isn't suddenly going to tell France to stop relying so heavily on nuclear
They actually tried to do it when they wanted to exclude nuclear from the green energies list
Anonymous Germany No.216157878 [Report] >>216157990
>>216157768
>make Russia a key player in Europe's industry
Russia lacks any actual competitive industry (all of it was scrapped for metal under Yeltsin and sold to the oligarchs). They provide the fuel, Germany provides actual industrial products made by factories run on that fuel. It's a win-win to anyone who isn't a brainwashed retard.
>Germany isn't suddenly going to tell France to stop relying so heavily on nuclear
And France can politely tell Germany to fuck off. Believe me, France has enough economic and political leverage to do so with zero conseuquenes.
>>216157819
>Together they own a significant share of uranium mines in Kazakhstan
Literally all uranium mines in Kazakhstan are owned by Kazatomprom and literally zero are owned by Rosatom. Go ahead and prove me wrong, you actual waste of human space. Post the fucking name of the Kazakhstani mine owned by Rosatom. I'm waiting.
Anonymous Germany No.216157882 [Report]
>>216157768
>Boomers at least partially realize that gaining a dependency on Russian oil and natural gas would make Russia a key player in Europe's industry.

And now we will stay depedent on American imports but with the twist that we will have no industry at all, importing overpriced shit an ocean away instead of just trading with our resource-rich next-door neighbor that has 1/3 of our economy.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216157944 [Report] >>216158029
>>216157819
Kazakhstan isn't belarus russia don't control shit there
Anonymous Czech Republic No.216157953 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
No, not really.

Germany has been lowkey heeldragged into this whole bullshit, but they are too spiritually broken to do anything other about it. I mean at the end of the day, major American motivation for setting up this bullshit conflict was to cripple German economy.
Anonymous Germany No.216157990 [Report] >>216158141
>>216157878
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_One

>fucking name of the Kazakhstani mine owned by Rosatom. I'm waiting.

Entire wikipedia article on all the mines Russia owns significant stake in in Kazakhstan.

Dude you are so out of depth in this that it's embarassing.
Anonymous Finland No.216158007 [Report]
Look, can we just focus on the main matter which is that we need to end Germany as a state and culture.
Anonymous France No.216158008 [Report] >>216158109
>>216157819
we have a joint venture with them named KATCO to run some of their most prolific uranium mines althoughever
Anonymous Germany No.216158029 [Report] >>216158238
>>216157944
>Kazakhstan isn't belarus russia don't control shit there

Utter bullshit. The entire Kazakh industry is completely intervoven with the Russian corporate sector, especially when it comes to mining and energy.
Anonymous Hungary No.216158059 [Report] >>216158170
>>216157765
Yes. All your wealth was built on buying cheap resources from Ryssä. But thankfully now you can go and save European democracy on the front.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158106 [Report] >>216158158 >>216158906
>>216157567
>that's why you attack ukies from belarus
I'm not Russian.
2. After 2022, Belarus hasn't Russia to attack Ukraine from its territory, Belarus also won't allow Russian missiles to overfly Belarusian airspace to attack Ukraine. Sounds like Belarus and Russia are two independent countries.
>so just let them fly in towards the cities?
Were the drones headed for any cities? What were those drones aimed at? What weapons were those drones armed with? Will the Polish government ever answer those questions, or will they choose not to because it goes against their narrative of "Russian drones attacking Poland!" instead of Russian drones accidentally entering Poland from nearby military drills.
Anonymous Germany No.216158109 [Report] >>216158213 >>216158272 >>216158321
>>216158008
Like 99% of French Uranium imports come from BRICS-aligned states. French depency on Uranium imports from those countries is arguably even worse than fossil fuel depency of Western states on non-Western states. If Kazahkhstan, Namibia and Uzbekistan decided tomorrow to end any joint venture and sell their shares to China 80 of French energy production would immediately compromised over night.
Anonymous Germany No.216158141 [Report] >>216158251
>>216157990
>The uranium exploration and mining JVs Akbastau and Karatau with Tenex started with Budenovskoye in the Stepnoye area of south Kazakhstan, which commenced production in 2008. These complemented the Zarechnoye JV 250 km to the south which was set up in June 2006. However, in 2009 and 2010 the 50% ARMZ equity in these three was traded for an eventual 51% share of Canadian-based Uranium One Inc, which subsequently became wholly-owned by ARMZ. Uranium One Holdings (U1H) is now the holding company for all Russian uranium mining interests in Kazakhstan (and its equity in an acid plant).
The only thing the primary source actually mentions Rosatom being involved today is uranium enrichment and local reactor construction. Not extraction. And by your retarded logic, Japan, China, India, and Canada are all conspiring with Russia against Germany because the exact same sources lists all these countries’ contributions to the venture.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158158 [Report]
>>216158106
*allowed Russia
Anonymous Finland No.216158170 [Report]
>>216158059
Fuck Poland for invading Ukraine
Anonymous United States No.216158190 [Report] >>216158295
Why do Poles act so arrogant and self-important? Is it just small dog syndrome or are they actually so stupid that they can’t recognize their place?
Anonymous France No.216158213 [Report]
>>216158109
absurd cope lmao, most countries can produce uranium
Anonymous Ukraine No.216158238 [Report]
>>216158029
Kazakhstan conducts long-term de rusifacation policy and geopolitically close to China but also friendly with USA it somehow dependent on transporting recurses through russia via black see port but russia already tried to fuck with it so bypass route project is undergoing and if Kazakhstan would need any help with mining i'm sure China or USA would be happy to help
Anonymous Germany No.216158251 [Report]
>>216158141
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Uranium-One-gives-unchanged-outlook-for-2019
Anonymous France No.216158272 [Report] >>216158324
>>216158109
well newsflash for you my friend, BRICS and BRICS-aligned countries control 99% of the planet's resources, ergo eurocuckolds should choose between moralfaggotry or their industries
Anonymous Germany No.216158295 [Report]
>>216158190
Dude shut up very fast after he couldn't explain that 1700% trade increase with Kyrgystan that came out of no-where.
Anonymous Italy No.216158321 [Report] >>216158408
>>216158109
You are so retarded it's unreal
Anonymous Germany No.216158324 [Report]
>>216158272
Exactly, I am accepting your concession.
Anonymous Croatia No.216158374 [Report] >>216158391 >>216158688 >>216158754
>bunch of retards arguing about oil and politics

literally nobody ever in power is going to ask you nor care for your opinions
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158391 [Report]
>>216158374
i thought we lived in democracies
Anonymous Germany No.216158408 [Report] >>216158465 >>216158529 >>216158892
>>216158321
You have no argument left. You are a fucking retard who thinks nuclear energy means energy independence for Western states when all the significant, economical and accessible uranium desposits on this planet are up to 95% controlled by BRICS-aligned states and in many cases by Russian and China through joint-ventures in those countries. You unironically think states like Italy and Germany who can't even complete fucking bridges and airports are able to create a whole new uranium supply chain with a decade or something. Total lunacy. Total economic illiteracy.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158465 [Report] >>216158521
>>216158408
What is definitely true is that relying on BRICS for uranium supplies is cheaper than relying on America and Arab countries for fossil fuels, the latter situation is the worst for Europe's economies.
Anonymous Germany No.216158521 [Report] >>216158643
>>216158465
Don't worry, it's coming. The US will slowly force Europe to cut itself off from trade. Fossil fuels and semiconductors were only the beginning.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216158529 [Report] >>216158610 >>216158629
>>216158408
there is no uranium ore shortage in the world and even if it was one can always bribe some cannibal in africa and build a personal mine there
Anonymous Germany No.216158610 [Report] >>216158755 >>216158759
>>216158529
>there is no uranium ore shortage in the world
What part of 'even the US continues to import Uranium from Russian-controlled mines' didn't you understand? Do you even know that Namibia, the second biggest source of African uranium (after couped Niger), is literally the single most pro-China state on the entire African continent? It's literally the Cuba of Africa. They have a one-party state whose party's official ideology is 'Socialism with Namibian Characteristics' lmaooo, look it up.
Anonymous Brazil No.216158629 [Report]
>>216158529
>Why don't you fuck a random country instead of mine? You're so le evil
Pig moment
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158643 [Report] >>216158715
>>216158521
It's so blatantly obvious that America's policy with regards to Europe is to try to isolate it and keep it dependent on America.
Anonymous Cyprus No.216158688 [Report]
>>216158374
mocking some 2nd diaspoo is fun
Anonymous Germany No.216158715 [Report] >>216158810
>>216158643
It's worse. Read the reports of the European Council of Foreign Relations. While during the Cold War European dependence on the US and trade was deemed a priority, the US doesn't view European economical prosperity as necessary in its strategy of containment of China but as an expedience. We are deliberately being downgraded to Latin America-tier and this is something fucking official EU-associated strategists are saying themselves.
Anonymous Germany No.216158754 [Report]
>>216158374
>literally nobody ever in power is going to ask you nor care for your opinions

There are like 1000 different AI models crawling all our posts at any time for text generation that is being used by some of the world most important (and undeserved) deciders, dude.
Anonymous Germany No.216158755 [Report] >>216158787
>>216158610
Ok, so what? We shouldn’t do business with Namibia because uhhh ideology or some shit? That’s how the USSR lost the Cold War btw. Meanwhile the US was signing trade agreements with Maoist China.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216158759 [Report]
>>216158610
there is a "secret" mothballed uranium deposit 10km from where i live Germany and or EU as a whole surely has them as well
Anonymous Switzerland No.216158781 [Report] >>216158809
Imagine if the Democrats won every election

That's Germany in this century
Anonymous Germany No.216158787 [Report] >>216158813
>>216158755
>Ok, so what? We shouldn’t do business with Namibia because uhhh ideology or some shit?

It's the other way round, retard. It's Namibia getting to decide on not doing business with us. They just cancelled a huge energy project with Germany just like 2 weeks ago, lmao.
Anonymous United States No.216158794 [Report] >>216158853 >>216158873 >>216158893
friendly reminder trump told you retards to stop relying on russian oil years ago and your leaders smugly laughed in his face
Anonymous Germany No.216158809 [Report] >>216159218
>>216158781
>Viewing foreign and domestic politics of other states through the lense of American domestic disputes

unironically kill yourself
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158810 [Report]
>>216158715
>this is something fucking official EU-associated strategists are saying themselves.
And a lot of them are actually happy about that, they WANT Europe to become an American vassal, the EU is being ruled by traitors such as Von Der Leyen and Kaja Kallas.
Anonymous Germany No.216158813 [Report] >>216158840
>>216158787
Because China is just better at international relations while Germany misses every opportunity due to ideological bullshit?
Anonymous Germany No.216158840 [Report] >>216158885
>>216158813
Ideological bullshit such as being America's bitch for no reason and benefit, yes.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158853 [Report]
>>216158794
oh sorry, should we rely on five times more expensive American oil and gas, which will destroy our industries' profit margins, on top of Zion Don's tariffs on our exports?
Anonymous France No.216158873 [Report] >>216158920
>>216158794
translation: buy overpriced amerimutt oil while we fuck you over at every given opportunity (but Russia is the bad guy here)
Anonymous Germany No.216158885 [Report]
>>216158840
Let’s be real, France doesn’t have this problem and they’re just as much of a bitch. They still manage to do shenanigans in the Sahel. No, it’s literally der ewige Boomer and his
>everyone’s bad except me I’m an angel please don’t call me a nazi I dindu nuffin we good bois now
quite peculiarly, Ossi boomers like Merkel don’t have this problem
Anonymous Bulgaria No.216158889 [Report] >>216158950
The Russian gas thing was like the one initiative the Germans did on their own while their master wasn't looking and it has fucked their country up so bad it's unbelievable. They should not have been allowed to have their own government post WW2 at all.
Anonymous Italy No.216158892 [Report] >>216158931
>>216158408
You are making up a non existent uranium shortage because it supports your dogma. You are a dumb animal
Anonymous Germany No.216158893 [Report] >>216158985
>>216158794
NS1 is completely intact. We could turn it on right now and energy prices would crash. Yet we won't because we are not a sovereign state with an independent foreign policy.
Anonymous Poland No.216158906 [Report]
>>216158106
>I'm not Russian.
sure lmao

>Were the drones headed for any cities?
Yes that's why they were shot down, in fact the headed for a NATO base as well hivan
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158920 [Report] >>216158974
>>216158873
watch some retard, probably the Jew posting under a Romanian flag, call you a "zigger" for not wanting to sacrifice your economic prosperity for the sake of Jewlenskyy.
Anonymous Poland No.216158924 [Report]
>>216157706
Yes and how is that connected to oil or gas? is there a pipeline between Poland and them? Oil tankers moving?
You're fucking trying to push a narrative here rusnigger but you're so wrong it's obvious.
Anonymous Germany No.216158931 [Report] >>216159080
>>216158892
This retard doesn't understand what a monopoly is and thinks that monopolists would just naturally make the resources available for cheap from the goodness of their hearts.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158950 [Report]
>>216158889
>it has fucked their country up so bad it's unbelievable.
no, retard, Ukrainians blowing up that gas pipeline, and retards Scholz and Mertz permanently shutting it off, is what fucked Germany's exonomy.
Anonymous Poland No.216158952 [Report] >>216158974 >>216158979 >>216159093
lmao @ this thread and rusnigger animals thinking they aren't obvious

Very organic posting hivdogs
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216158974 [Report]
>>216158952
called it
>>216158920
Anonymous Germany No.216158979 [Report] >>216159040
>>216158952
Dude you have been so utterly BTFO'd by me it took you one hour to come back after drying your tears.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216158985 [Report] >>216159015 >>216159030
>>216158893
russia turned it off not germany lol
Anonymous Poland No.216159012 [Report] >>216159057
why is russia so poor
why do russians have hiv
why russians export the most prosititutes in the world?
why does a halfkike rule russia without anyone having a say in it?
why is the quality of life so shit in russia?
what happend to 1,5 million russian men in the last 3,5 years?

lmao
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159015 [Report] >>216159075
>>216158985
Wasn't that because Germany sanctioned the Russian company which partly owns NS1?
Anonymous Germany No.216159030 [Report] >>216159048 >>216159139
>>216158985
Not even the German government is claiming this. Lmao. Russia didn't shut off shit. In fact they do repeatedly offer to turn it off again. In fact they have also offered to repair N2 themselves. There are two German parties in German parliaments that promise to turn on NS1 btw.
Anonymous Poland No.216159040 [Report]
>>216158979
you btfo no one you're a braindamaged rusnigger and you're trying to trick people into thinking gas or oil teleports from some shitty state to Poland but you're too fucking dumb so you just went with spamming

i shit on rusniggers, I shit on poopin, rusniggers earn 200 eur a month, poopin is a pedo kike, you'll always be a subhuman rusdog
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159048 [Report] >>216159087
>>216159030
>There are two German parties in German parliaments that promise to turn on NS1 btw.
Who are they? And what do the German media say about them?
Anonymous Germany No.216159057 [Report] >>216159109 >>216159413
>>216159012
Don't give a shit, since I am not Russian. Russia is a total shithole. So what? It was Ukrainians that bombed my country and Poles that are protecting the terrorists that attacked it. Why should I give a crap about fucking Russia?
Anonymous Ukraine No.216159075 [Report]
>>216159015
Anonymous Italy No.216159080 [Report] >>216159193 >>216159496
>>216158931
The share of fuel expenditures on total costs varies largely between technologies: whereas nuclear plants are characterized by high investment but relatively low fuel costs, this ratio is typically reversed in the case of natural gas plants.

Low fuel costs have from the outset given nuclear energy an advantage compared with coal and gas-fired plants. Uranium, however, has to be processed, enriched and fabricated into fuel elements, accounting for about half of the total fuel cost. In the assessment of the economics of nuclear power, allowances must also be made for the management of radioactive used fuel and the ultimate disposal of this used fuel or the wastes separated from it. But even with these included, the total fuel costs of a nuclear power plant in the OECD are typically about one-third to one-half of those for a coal-fired plant and between one-quarter and one-fifth of those for a gas combined-cycle plant.

The OECD-NEA has calculated that the LCOE of nuclear plants are only slightly affected by a 50% change in fuel costs (in either direction) due to their high fixed-to-variable cost ratio. Comparatively, the economics of natural gas (CCGT) and coal plants are more sensitive to changes in fuel cost, with LCOEs changing by about 7% and 4% respectively for every 10% change of fuel price.

Uranium cost simply has little to no impact on nuclear energy prices because you are actually using a white man technology rather than relying on burning dead dinosaurs extracted by thirdies
Anonymous Germany No.216159087 [Report] >>216159107
>>216159048
BSW and AfD promise to re-activate NS1 once elected.
Anonymous France No.216159093 [Report] >>216159146
>>216158952
nobody cares about butthurt belters, you gotta get used to it
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159107 [Report]
>>216159087
are BSW willing to work with AfD?
Anonymous Poland No.216159109 [Report] >>216159176 >>216159221
>>216159057
Which part of Germany did Ukraine bomb rusnigger? Show me on the map you hivdog.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216159139 [Report]
>>216159030
when they realized that they fucked up and racket won't do yes but dealing with someone who already treated you like that is beyond stupid
Anonymous Poland No.216159146 [Report] >>216159166
>>216159093
AHAHHJAHA I FUCKING KNEW IT

youre fucking poorer than indians and despite the vpns obvious as fuck

ahahah fucking rusniggers
Anonymous Argentina No.216159155 [Report]
>>216156473
There is nothing wrong with supplying themselves with russian goods.
The post war western agenda destroyed europe and made it loss hegemony anyway.
Anonymous Germany No.216159156 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
Why does America love to rape us so much
Anonymous Poland No.216159166 [Report]
>>216159146
st. poopinburg hahahahah
Anonymous United States No.216159168 [Report]
>>216156329

considering how poor Russia is Latin America is better off than you.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159176 [Report] >>216159211 >>216159293
>>216159109
Ukraine bombed German infrastructure located in international waters, we can learn more about this incident if Poland agrees to extradite the suspects in that bombing.
Anonymous Germany No.216159193 [Report] >>216159282
>>216159080
>Low fuel costs have from the outset given nuclear energy an advantage compared with coal and gas-fired plants

This is great news. This will surely help us with only a single European nuclear reactor company left here who took like 20 years to complete a single plant, the same time frame it took half of Europe to go from 90% fossil to 50% renewable energy.
Anonymous United States No.216159206 [Report] >>216159219 >>216159309 >>216160735
>>216155998
Why is it so hard to believe that the Ukrainians did it?
Anonymous Poland No.216159211 [Report] >>216159297
>>216159176
AHAHAHHAH SO NOT A PART OF GERMANY NOW??? AHHAHAHA

Ok lets go further you hivdog son of a whore

WHO OWNED THE INFRASTRUCTURE???

WHO

NAMED IT BECAUSE IT WASNT GERMANY HAHAHAHA

Hivdogs are so fucking stupid and easy to bait into losing a argument
Anonymous Switzerland No.216159218 [Report]
>>216158809
I'm trying to explain German politics in the most simple form because most people interested in such discussions also follow American politics. If you weren't a victim of the German socialist education it wouldn't offend you that much. Your country still hasn't accepted all the downside, future conflict and financial cost that has been inflicted due to illegal migration. No wonder you lash out indiscriminately at messengers like me.
Anonymous Germany No.216159219 [Report]
>>216159206
Ukrainians being competent at anything is a tall order.
Anonymous Germany No.216159221 [Report] >>216159237 >>216159293 >>216159413
>>216159109
Your own government isn't even denying this. Please update your propaganda points.
Anonymous Poland No.216159237 [Report]
>"the west wants our riches"

>>216159221
Which part of Germany rusnigger
Anonymous Italy No.216159282 [Report] >>216159316
>>216159193
The EPR in flamanville took so long because it was literally the first of a new generation with a gorillion safety standards because eurotards thinks every npp is a nuclear bomb ready to explode
Anonymous Poland No.216159293 [Report] >>216159370
>>216159176
>>216159221
ILL JUST GIVE YOU RUSNIGGER HIVDOGS A ANSWER SINCE YOULL TRY TO DEFLECT

THE PIPELINE WAS ON INTERNATIONAL WATERS AND
>Nord Stream 2 was owned by the Russian state-owned energy companyGazprom, which held a majority stake in the project's operator,Nord Stream 2 AG.
AHAHAHAHAHAAH

YOU FUCKING IMBECILES DONT EVEN KNOW YOUR PROPAGANDA

THE UKIE BOMBED A RUSSIAN PIPELINE AWAY FROM GERMANY AHAHAHAHA

YOURE SO FUCKING LOW IQ HAAAHA
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159297 [Report]
>>216159211
Nordstream2 is jointly owned by Russian Gazprom and various European energy companies.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216159309 [Report]
>>216159206
it wasn't even working why take such risk to destroy it
Anonymous Germany No.216159316 [Report] >>216159358 >>216159366 >>216159369
>>216159282
You can turn the entire European energy sector 100% renewable in the same time frame it takes to built one more shitty nuclear plant.
Anonymous United States No.216159336 [Report]
>>216157561
>production
>not reserves
Production merely indicates the current state of affairs; this could all change with a small investment in one of the many countries with reserves.
A surprising number of countries have easily-accessible proven uranium reserves, such as Canada, USA, Australia, and Chile.
Anonymous Italy No.216159358 [Report] >>216159609
>>216159316
>In the renewable energy sector, a dunkelflaute (German: [ˈdʊŋkəlˌflaʊtə] , lit.'dark doldrums' or 'dark wind lull', plural dunkelflauten)[1] is a period of time in which little or no energy can be generated with wind and solar power, because there is neither wind nor sunlight.[2][3][4] In meteorology, this is known as anticyclonic gloom.[5]
Did you know that German has a word for when renewables are absolutely fucking useless? Such amazing language!
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159366 [Report] >>216159423 >>216159435
>>216159316
Can't Germany's nuclear power plants be simply reactivated rather than built from scratch?
Anonymous Germany No.216159369 [Report]
>>216159316
Define "renewable".
Anonymous Germany No.216159370 [Report] >>216159413
>>216159293
NS2 was formally under Russian ownership, however this was just a legal technically in order to protect the German stakeholders from American sanctions. De facto it was a German-Russian-European joint venture financed by German energy companies which makes it a major part of German energy infrastructure.
Anonymous Poland No.216159413 [Report] >>216159446
>>216159370
>it tries to deflect with a OPINION
AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHA LMAO NO ONE GIVES A SHIT RUSDOG, FACTS ARE THERE AND YOU GOT FUCKING OWNED >>216159057
>>216159221
AHAHAHAHA LOW IQ SCRUB
Anonymous Germany No.216159423 [Report] >>216159463 >>216159470 >>216159497
>>216159366
The nuclear energy companies themselves don't see nuclear energy as profitable anymore. There is a reason why no private companies is building nuclear plants in Europe right now. It's only heavily state-subsidized projects. The recent French plant will take at least 2 decades to even break-even, the same time it took Germany to go from 4% renewables to 49% renewables.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216159435 [Report]
>>216159366
even 3 remaining blocks in Chernobyl worked until 2002 (i guess) and can be reactivated pidoran
Anonymous Italy No.216159446 [Report] >>216159471
>>216159413
He might not be rusanimal, he might be a gr**n
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159463 [Report] >>216159522
>>216159423
It should be simple for the German gocernment to buy those nuclear plants from private businesses.
Anonymous Italy No.216159470 [Report] >>216159522
>>216159423
Meanwhile China and Russia keep building them
Anonymous Poland No.216159471 [Report]
>>216159446
than he's the dumbest fucking german alive
Anonymous United States No.216159496 [Report] >>216159555 >>216159558
>>216159080
>Uranium cost simply has little to no impact on nuclear energy prices
If this was the case there would be no issue with Russia and world peace would have already happened. Heavy industry (this applies to Germany/Italy mostly) still relies on fossil fuels, nuclear is excellent at generating electricity, but battery capacity is a severe limitation. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's primarily HTGRs that can be used for heavy industry, those are far more fuel intensive than your normal reactors that generate electricity. The fact of the matter is: Europe needs Russia. The US doesn't export most of its energy and the logistics of doing so are horrendous. The only solution here is political, there's no more room for superpowers and hegemony when efforts to colonize the middle east have failed so spectacularly.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216159497 [Report]
>>216159423
but what if volcanic eruption would cover the sky with ash for a long time like in 1816
Anonymous Germany No.216159522 [Report] >>216159545 >>216159590
>>216159463
>It should be simple for the German gocernment to buy those nuclear plants from private businesses.

They already have dude, who do you think is paying the billions it takes to dismantle and storage the waste? It's not the private companies, it's the tax payer.

>>216159470
Yes they are. Are you advocating Chinese and Russian state owned companies to built nuclear plants in Germany? Do you want Ukrainian terrorists to blow up nuclear plants in Germany now?
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159545 [Report]
>>216159522
>who do you think is paying the billions it takes to dismantle and storage the waste?
Then the German government should stop dismantling those nuclear plants and operate them instead.
Anonymous Germany No.216159555 [Report]
>>216159496
You are talking to a bunch or retards who don't know anything about heavy industry, energy or industry in the first place and how you can't run a blast furnace on nuclear energy.
Anonymous Italy No.216159558 [Report] >>216159578 >>216159631
>>216159496
The solution for Europe (a continent with little to no fossil fuels other than coal) is to electrify everything that can run on electricity and build nuclear like France did. Everything else is cope and retardation
Anonymous Germany No.216159578 [Report] >>216159609
>>216159558
>and build nuclear like France did
Cool, one plant every 20 years. This will surely solve our energy problems in like 2000 years. Amazing solution.
Anonymous Italy No.216159590 [Report] >>216159626
>>216159522
Are you retarded? We can build them ourselves. Yes the costs are going to be higher thanks to green subanimals such as (you) but it's still the correct move
Anonymous Italy No.216159609 [Report] >>216159681
>>216159578
I already told you EPR is a new design, I also noticed you didn't reply to>>216159358
Anonymous Germany No.216159626 [Report] >>216159656 >>216159726 >>216159869
>>216159590
>We can build them ourselves.
No we fucking can't, it's utterly uneconomical retardation Italians can't even built a fucking bridge connecting Sicily thanks to neo-liberal disindustrialization. France the country with the most sophisticated nuclear tech took like 20 years to built one (1) single shitty nuclear plant that won't even break-even for fucking decades.
Anonymous United States No.216159631 [Report] >>216159726 >>216159766
>>216159558
I mentioned this, the primary reason this hasn't been done is because the bottleneck isn't electricity generation itself. It's battery capacity. There needs to be a MASSIVE breakthrough in battery technology before it could be applied to heavy industry at scale. Breaking bread with Russia is inevitable.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159656 [Report] >>216159712
>>216159626
>it's utterly uneconomical retardation
infrastructure of strategic importance doesn'r have ro be economical.
Anonymous Germany No.216159681 [Report] >>216159776
>>216159609
California, to a degree China and Southern Australia don't have these issues because they have invested in large battery storage system (much of the tech that was developed in Germany btw). Both of these states (excluding China for obvious reasons) are even massive solar energy exporters. The large-scale roll-out of large battery storage arrays is currently being hindered by the German private energy and fossil fuel lobby
Anonymous Germany No.216159712 [Report] >>216159855
>>216159656
It does if fucking economical power is the relevant strategic goal in question in the first place.
Anonymous Italy No.216159726 [Report] >>216159805 >>216159916
>>216159626
You're getting boring, EPR is a new design, new things take more time especially with the gorillions red tape over security. Also the reason over the bridge not getting built is not that we cannot do but rather that it's getting build in a place full of mafia and little else
>>216159631
You can switch to electricity for most stuff other than the heavy industries that absolute need gas and get that from Algeria. Nuclear should be a no brainer for a resource scarce country like Italy but b**mer are subanimals
Anonymous Germany No.216159766 [Report] >>216160064
>>216159631
No such tech-break-through is needed. This is another one of these myths perpetuated by the fossil fuel industry. All the tech for a complete transition to Green energy already exists and has to a large part existed for decades. There are various countries and sub-admin units on this planet that have already achieved 100% Green energy.
Anonymous Italy No.216159776 [Report] >>216159846
>>216159681
Yes California and Southern Australia have the same climate as Germany LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Anonymous Russian Federation No.216159802 [Report]
Gaymany is our bitch LOL
Anonymous Germany No.216159805 [Report] >>216159913
>>216159726
>You're getting boring, EPR is a new design
Nuclear engineers will make up the dumbest names for what effectively is another steam turbine and call it 'different' and revolutionary. Boring lobbyist talking point.
Anonymous Germany No.216159846 [Report] >>216159913
>>216159776
Don't understand how climate is relevant to battery storage capacity, can you enlighten me?
Anonymous France No.216159851 [Report]
yurosissies truly have so many copes to deal with the fact the US coerced the EU into economic suicide
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216159855 [Report]
>>216159712
economical power for thr average citizen, not the government funding it. In Germany's case the government wouldn't even have to spend that much money reactivating the nuclear plants it already owns,
Anonymous Ukraine No.216159869 [Report] >>216159908 >>216159992
>>216159626
unbelievable much more complex things are being build in Europe right now definitely europeans perfectly capable to build reactors invented 75 years ago if there is a need
Anonymous France No.216159908 [Report]
>>216159869
Wow, another meme project costing billions with no end in sight.
Anonymous Italy No.216159913 [Report] >>216159955
>>216159805
Ok guess you know more
>>216159846
Because if you have more sun you need less batteries
Anonymous Germany No.216159916 [Report] >>216160008
>>216159726
>Nuclear should be a no brainer for a resource scarce country like Italy but b**mer are subanimals

Complete and utter nonsense there are even less countries with economical uranium deposits than oil states with an even tighter control of those mines of BRICS-aligned states like I have already proven. Nuclear energy makes you even more of a bitch of Russia and China than any gas import strategy. I have proven this already as well ITT.
Anonymous Germany No.216159955 [Report] >>216160008
>>216159913
>Because if you have more sun you need less batteries

We don't need more sun. We are already producing large and sufficient quantities of excess solar energy in fact that never hit the net. We need large battery storage arrays like in Australia.
Anonymous Argentina No.216159962 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
>Ve must support ze clean and renewable Russian oil to fight against global warming
Anonymous Germany No.216159992 [Report] >>216160114
>>216159869
Total waste of a project whose architecture will be outdated by the time it is finished. Even when finished it is expected to barely produce net energy (if at all). A great example of the hubris of nuclear energy.
Anonymous Italy No.216160008 [Report] >>216160091 >>216160221
>>216159916
You have proven jack shit other than you're a mentally ill gr**n. Shitaly and Germany have the highest energy prices and both have no nuclear
>>216159955
Then why your energy prices are so high?
Anonymous United States No.216160064 [Report] >>216160102 >>216160184
>>216159766
Then what exactly is the problem with post-industrial society? Why is everyone constantly crying about deindustrializing? There's clearly another issue here, because the US and Germany were on course to deindustrializing, yet media is always harping on about China as if there's a genuine threat to not having heavy industry. How do you run a car plant on electricity alone? Or steel? Why is this conflict with Russia happening at all if the technology is there and Europe risks gaining a dependency on Russian resources that they don't need? This doesn't check out for me.
Anonymous Germany No.216160091 [Report] >>216160118 >>216160142
>>216160008
>Then why your energy prices are so high?
It's quite literally in the post. Do you lack reading comprehension? Energy never hits the net because this would hamper the profit margins of Germany's private energy sector who in turn also lobby against new storage systems. The reason why energy in France is comparatively cheaper is because the French energy sector, like in China, is completely owned by one single conglomerate of public energy companies who is able to exert price controls.
Anonymous Italy No.216160102 [Report] >>216160149
>>216160064
If you want to be an actual power you need heavy industries you can convert to shitting out tanks and artilleries
Anonymous Ukraine No.216160114 [Report]
>>216159992
it's a science facility not economic one
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216160118 [Report]
>>216160091
>the French energy sector, like in China, is completely owned by one single conglomerate of public energy companies who is able to exert price controls.
Germany should do that too
Anonymous Italy No.216160142 [Report] >>216160258
>>216160091
You cant build enough batteries. If it was possible or economical it would've already happened
France have cheaper energy because they have 75% nuclear energy share (and lower emissions than you btw)
Anonymous United States No.216160149 [Report] >>216160220
>>216160102
Then it's necessary to have fossil fuels and even if a perfectly clean model is possible it's naive to assume it's not needed. All of the politics will remain around fossil fuels for this reason alone even if a drop of oil isn't needed.
Anonymous Germany No.216160184 [Report]
>>216160064
>Germany were on course to deindustrializing
No it wasn't. Germany was able to maintain a robust and overproportional manufacturing and heavy industry sector through its high net export rate up until now. That's the whole point.
Anonymous Italy No.216160220 [Report] >>216160304
>>216160149
You don't need to be 100% not fossil to be net zero
Anonymous Ukraine No.216160221 [Report] >>216160266 >>216160319
>>216160008
>Then why your energy prices are so high?
das rite 1 kWh worth 0.074 USD in india are indians 6 times more efficient than germans?
Anonymous Germany No.216160258 [Report] >>216160303
>>216160142
>If it was possible or economical it would've already happened
>You cant build enough batteries.
Yes you can, lol. Sodium battery tech is already here and Sodium is literally one of the the most abundant metals ever, it's as abundant as sand on the beach, or rather salt on the beach.

>France have cheaper energy because they have 75% nuclear energy share
This is nonsense. If France's energy sector was comprised of private entities like in Germany they would absolutely price-gouge the fuck out of their nuclear energy.
Anonymous Italy No.216160266 [Report]
>>216160221
They have nuclear plus cheap coal and give no fucks about solar so it's not that hard
Anonymous Italy No.216160303 [Report] >>216160362
>>216160258
>Headcanon
>More headcanon
Thank god gr**ns are never going to be relevant ever again after the last decade
Anonymous United States No.216160304 [Report] >>216160385
>>216160220
I'm not talking about the environment, I'm talking about requiring the resources at all. But yes, you are correct although the issue is more direct toward how heavy industry relies on fossil fuels rather than CO2 emissions. The fact it needs to be imported is the problem.
Anonymous Germany No.216160319 [Report] >>216160475
>>216160221
I don't think you know what efficiency means. If you consume 6 times less energy but have 20x less the gdp per capita then you are less efficient not more.
Anonymous Germany No.216160362 [Report] >>216160385
>>216160303
China has already started Sodium battery production for consumer-grade cars and recently they opened a large Lithium-Sodium dual storage battery array.

It seems like you don't keep up with actual revolutionary energy developments that are and will have an actual impact but just read shitty white elephant industry slop from reddit or something.
Anonymous Italy No.216160385 [Report] >>216160401
>>216160304
>Italy's heavy industry
relies on a mix of electricity, natural gas, and other sources for energy, with the sector being a major consumer of electricity and gas, as detailed by IAI and emissioni.sina.isprambiente.it. Electricity accounted for 44% of the industrial sector's energy use in 2022, followed by natural gas at 33%. The country's heavy industry has significant energy costs, and its overall energy system is heavily dependent on imported oil and gas, with a recent focus on energy transition through electrification and renewables, but facing challenges with cost and competitiveness, notes this Banca d'Italia publication and the International Energy Agency (IEA).
Ai slop ctrl-c. Also industry consumes 20% of the total energy
>>216160362
China keeps building npp though
Anonymous Germany No.216160401 [Report] >>216160426
>>216160385
>China keeps building npp though
Again, China has a completely nationalized energy sector.
Anonymous Italy No.216160426 [Report]
>>216160401
And?
Anonymous Germany No.216160432 [Report]
In my starcraft games a nuclear monolith looks more complicated and thus better than horizontally scalable solar modules . I don't need no science and technology. My worldview was already crystallized.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216160475 [Report] >>216160580
>>216160319
i meant that indian energy sector can supply energy to 1.5bn for 6x cheaper than german
Anonymous United States No.216160525 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
Krauts are aaaaalmost as buck broken as brits are.
Anonymous Germany No.216160556 [Report] >>216160585 >>216160615
>SHITaly
Anonymous Germany No.216160580 [Report] >>216160719
>>216160475
If you earn 20x less then this means energy is fucking more expensive to you, not cheaper, you dumbass.
Anonymous Italy No.216160585 [Report]
>>216160556
>Another b**mer ruled non nuclear shithole have high energy prices
Yes?
Anonymous Germany No.216160607 [Report] >>216160640 >>216160707
:(
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216160615 [Report]
>>216160556
hhmmm I wonder why Hungary's energy prices are still so cheap
Anonymous Italy No.216160638 [Report]
I think I broke the gr**n bot
Anonymous Germany No.216160640 [Report] >>216160671
>>216160607
Notice here that Sweden is the country with the highest share of renewable energy out of those all.
Anonymous Germany No.216160671 [Report] >>216160720
>>216160640
Hydropower is unfair because it can't be replicated in any way, it's purely geographical
Anonymous Germany No.216160707 [Report] >>216160768
>>216160607
Can any oinkrainian draft dodger comment in this?
Anonymous Ukraine No.216160719 [Report] >>216160780
>>216160580
electrical power is a product and indian one is the same as german but 6x times cheaper
Anonymous Germany No.216160720 [Report] >>216160821
>>216160671
Nothing stopping us from importing excess Swedish hydropower the same way New York is importing excess Quebec hydropower except for the fossil fuel lobby preventing the construction of the North-South interchange backbone in favor of retarded hydrogen pipelines that will never be used once this bubble pops.
Anonymous Finland No.216160735 [Report] >>216160812
>>216159206
It was Norway.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216160768 [Report]
>>216160707
constant repairing isn't cheap
Anonymous Germany No.216160780 [Report] >>216160866
>>216160719
> 6x times cheaper
Making Indians pay more than 3 times for their energy as their share of income as Germans. Thus the Indians has to work more than three times as long as a German to have their energy needs met, despite the fact that overall energy consumption in India is way lower. So Indians consume and have less access to energy-depedent goods and activities while having to burden a heavier load than Germans.

Again what is your point? You are showing the opposite of what you are trying to prove.
Anonymous Switzerland No.216160802 [Report]
Adherents of the cult of gaia will always be funny because they overwhelmingly support open border migration a the same time

It's a great formula for conflict and terror. That's why they get along so well with a similar cult called Islam
Anonymous Germany No.216160812 [Report]
>>216160735
I don't care which backstabbing pawn of the Useless states did it.
The actual culprit is the one who announced it
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216160821 [Report] >>216160839 >>216160857 >>216160880
>>216160720
How about German doesn't remain reliant on another country for its energy needs? How about the German government reactivates and operates German nuclear power plants? strange how you keep ignoring this point.
Anonymous Italy No.216160839 [Report] >>216160887
>>216160821
He's a mentally ill gr**n. To him nuclear is like the antichrist
Anonymous Germany No.216160857 [Report] >>216160928
>>216160821
I am not ignoring anything. I have already proven how dependency on Uranium imports increases energy dependency on foreign countries, not alleviate it, even worse it increases dependency on non-Western-aligned states higher than other energy sources, even beating fossil energy.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216160866 [Report] >>216160925
>>216160780
>Again what is your point?
my point is to bring to your attention that to impose on yourself limitations and whine because of it is kinda nonscencical
Anonymous Germany No.216160880 [Report] >>216160949 >>216161031
>>216160821
>How about German doesn't remain reliant on another country for its energy needs
Anonymous Germany No.216160887 [Report] >>216160973 >>216161006
>>216160839
Nuclear is not the anti-christ, it's just a wasteful 20th century energy tech that was utterly underwhelming and disappointed expectactions that is peddled by stupid an economically illiterate redditors.
Anonymous Germany No.216160925 [Report]
>>216160866
I am not imposing limitations I have proven how energy is more expensive for Indians in India than energy is for Germans in Germany.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216160928 [Report] >>216160946
>>216160857
>I have already proven how dependency on Uranium imports increases energy dependency on foreign countries
Even more than straight up buying electricity from other countries like you're suggesting?
>it increases dependency on non-Western-aligned states
lots of countries export Uranium, such as Australia.
Anonymous Germany No.216160946 [Report] >>216160980
>>216160928
>Even more than straight up buying electricity from other countries like you're suggesting?

>Even more than straight up buying electricity from other countries like you're suggesting?
Yes, in fact even that.

>lots of countries export Uranium, such as Australia.
I have already debunked this talking point, please read the thread.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216160949 [Report] >>216161015
>>216160880
look at all that land occupied by solar panels and wind turbines which are dependent on favourable weather for their operation.
Anonymous Italy No.216160973 [Report]
>>216160887
France has both lower carbon emissions and energy prices compared to you
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216160980 [Report] >>216161068
>>216160946
>I have already debunked this talking point, please read the thread.
point me to your post where you did so.
>Yes, in fact even that.
Stop bullshitting.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161006 [Report]
>>216160887
>it's just a wastefu
less emissions than fossil fuels, less land use than solar panels and wind turbines,
>economically illiterate
nationalise the energy sector, next point.
Anonymous Germany No.216161015 [Report] >>216161088
>>216160949
Non-sense. Another fossil fuel industry lobbying hand book talking about. Germany is already producing large quantities of excess solar and wind energy right now whose consumption is being frustrated by the lack of storage systems and we are doing that with shitty <20% efficiency rate solar panels.

New tandem perowskite solar systems are already efficiency rates of 40% in lab settings and China has already been developing the first commercial-tier modules.
Anonymous United States No.216161031 [Report] >>216161063 >>216161094 >>216161096
>>216160880
Ironically solar panels and wind farms are way worse for the environment than nuclear. Still not as bad as fossil fuels though.
Anonymous Germany No.216161063 [Report] >>216161079
>>216161031
I don't care about the environment.
If it was up to me Germany would be fracking gas and dumping nuclear waste in warsaw
Anonymous Germany No.216161068 [Report] >>216161124 >>216161125
>>216160980
>point me to your post where you did so.
I have shown that Australia is only able to meet a teeny tiny share of Uranium demand und that even states like the US are getting their Uranium from BRICS-aligned states, despite the Ukranian war, mostly from partially Russian-controlled Uranium mines. The suggestion that Australia is able to meet the entire Uranium demand of the Western world at the present is absolutely delusional. I won't even entertain any future projection of more nuclear plants.
Anonymous United States No.216161079 [Report] >>216161183
>>216161063
I thought you guys loved nature more than any country? You literally invented hippies.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161088 [Report] >>216161137
>>216161015
>Non-sense
I have eyes, retard, my eyes are looking at all the land occupied by solar farms and wind farms, land that would have been forests and grasslands, or farmlands, or houses.
>New tandem perowskite solar systems are already efficiency rates of 40%
they'll never be as efficient as nuclear power.
Anonymous Germany No.216161094 [Report]
>>216161031
>Ironically solar panels and wind farms are way worse for the environment than nuclear
But they don't make you as dependent on Chinese and Russian-controlled Uranium mines in Kazakhstan.
Anonymous Finland No.216161096 [Report] >>216161151 >>216161175
>>216161031
Nuclear isn't renewable and ties your energy production to whatever geopolitically volative shithole you're sourcing it.
Anonymous Bulgaria No.216161117 [Report]
>>216155722 (OP)
can you niggers stop sanctioning russia
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161124 [Report]
>>216161068
I don't see a problem with buying Uranium from BRICs states, I don't want Europe to stop trading wih BRICs. Buying and stockpiling Uranium is more energy secure and cheaper than buying electricity from another country,
Anonymous Italy No.216161125 [Report]
>>216161068
You keep conflating uranium ores with enriched uranium and not explaing why western countries cant just build enriching facilities
Anonymous Germany No.216161137 [Report] >>216161175 >>216161208
>>216161088
>I have eyes, retard, my eyes are looking at all the land occupied by solar farms and wind farms, land that would have been forests and grasslands, or farmlands, or houses.

The UK doesn't need to build a single windpark on land if it wanted.

>they'll never be as efficient as nuclear power.
That's already more than 7% more efficient than your most modern steam turbine in a nuclear power plant mate. Consider this another debunked lobbyist talking point.
Anonymous Italy No.216161151 [Report] >>216161231
>>216161096
The volatile shitholes of Canada and Australia (getting blackmailed by OPEC+ is fine though)
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161175 [Report] >>216161237 >>216161238
>>216161096
>Nuclear isn't renewable
neither is wind or solar, then, since their energy is ultimately derived from the nuclear fusion at the centre of the sun.
>>216161137
>The UK doesn't need to build a single windpark on land if it wanted.
Windparks at sea still occupy land, land that fishermen can't fish in, land that marine life can't use as effectively.
Anonymous Germany No.216161183 [Report]
>>216161079
The majority of Germans was and still is against shutting down nuclear reactors
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161208 [Report]
>>216161137
>That's already more than 7% more efficient than your most modern steam turbine in a nuclear power plant mate
if you define "efficiency" as energy utilisation rather than energy generation, nuclear will always be better at the latter than solar and wind energy.
Anonymous Germany No.216161231 [Report] >>216161266 >>216161285
>>216161151
Canada and Australia are not able to meet the uranium demands of the entire western world, not now, not in the future. Stop repeating the same debunked talking point you psychotic retard.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161237 [Report]
>>216161175
*I should say Windparks at sea still occupy water and land
Anonymous Italy No.216161238 [Report] >>216161392
>>216161175
>neither is wind or solar, then, since their energy is ultimately derived from the nuclear fusion at the centre of the sun.
If we're splitting hair nuclear and solar depends on being able to manufacture solar panel and wind turbine with finite resources+waste management
Anonymous Germany No.216161249 [Report] >>216161319 >>216161326 >>216161333
>At today’s consumption (~67,000 tonnes U per year) and the identified recoverable uranium resources (~7.93 million tonnes), conventional uranium would last ≈118 years.

>If nuclear generation were scaled up to replace all current renewable electricity (i.e., add ~32% of world electricity to nuclear on top of ~9% today ~41% total), uranium demand would jump ≈4.56× and those same recoverable resources would last ≈26 years.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161266 [Report] >>216161303
>>216161231
they don't have to, there's nothing wrong with buying Uranium from Kazakhstan.
Anonymous Italy No.216161285 [Report] >>216161328
>>216161231
>Australia has the world's largest uranium reserves, holding about 28% of global resources.
>Canada's uranium reserves are significant, with over 588,000 tonnes of elemental uranium in identified resources, making it the world's fourth-largest holder of uranium resources.
Ai slop ctrl-c ctrl-v
Anonymous Germany No.216161303 [Report] >>216161374
>>216161266
Sorry but there is literally no point in arguing that importing Uranium from Chinese-owned mined in Kazakhstan, especially in the light of current trade tensions is more secure than importing Swedish hydropower. It's simply delusional
Anonymous Ukraine No.216161319 [Report]
>>216161249
i remember hearing that the oil will run out in 10 years 20 years ago
Anonymous Italy No.216161326 [Report]
>>216161249
Is this another peak oil moment from mentally ill gr**ns?
Anonymous Germany No.216161328 [Report] >>216161393
>>216161285
>AI can't even distinguish between reserves and resources

As expected.
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161333 [Report]
>>216161249
now what about plutonium and thorium?
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161374 [Report]
>>216161303
"current trade tensions" are instigated by the EU at the behest of Trump(and Biden before him), there wouldn't be any trade tensione betweem China and Europe if the EU didn't start them.
Anonymous Germany No.216161392 [Report] >>216161446
>>216161238
Suggesting that waste managment of solar panels is more expensive than that of radioactive waste producing nuclear energy is another psychotic bad faith talking point by the old energy lobbying industry.
Anonymous Italy No.216161393 [Report]
>>216161328
>Canada holds significant uranium resources, ranking as the world's second-largest producer and having the largest deposits of high-grade uranium, primarily in the Athabasca Basin in Saskatchewan.
>Australia has the world's largest uranium resources, holding about one-third of the global total.
Ummm?
Anonymous Italy No.216161446 [Report] >>216161488
>>216161392
Nuclear energy is the most dense energy so it's already very volume efficient, you just need a geological stable basin to throw it in ( or some African shithole to take care of it)
Anonymous Germany No.216161488 [Report] >>216161520 >>216161551 >>216161557
>>216161446
>or some African shithole to take care of it
A yes, sounds very safe and secure. Give tons of contaminated and fissile material to some African shithole that will sell it off to terrorist making dirty bombs.
Anonymous Italy No.216161520 [Report]
>>216161488
There is already nuclear waste being sunken on African coastline courtesy of camorra and ndrangheta and nothing happened
Anonymous United Kingdom No.216161551 [Report]
>>216161488
that's not what the Italian anon said. Finland's mine built into basalt can store all of the nuclear waste European countries generate in more than 100 years.
Anonymous Ukraine No.216161557 [Report] >>216161594
>>216161488
it can be stored in Chernobyl it's exclusion zone anyway
Anonymous Germany No.216161594 [Report]
>>216161557
The Chernobyl exclusion zone that is currently in an active war zone and was recently hit by a Russian drone strike, that zone?