Thread 216396004

Why do expats refuse to learn local languages? I fucking hate having to speak English to interact with my neighbours. Does this happen in your country?

What do ye even need Dutch for? Travel to Suriname? Use it as a code?

>>216396004 (OP)
They're doing you a favour. Dutch is hideous enough when spoken by a native. Now imagine broken Dutch.
>*shudders*

If you're a native English speaker seeking citizenship in a foreign country, you're likely doing it out of choice rather than necessity. In other words you have money and can choose to live where you want. People with wealth are used to others bending the knee for them and expect it to happen wherever they go.
I'm not an expat myself, but I did a study abroad program in Spain for a few months. A lot of the other students were rich and were basically treating the program as a vacation. One of the girls got extremely upset that no one knew how to speak English because it was negatively impacting her experience.

Because expats intend to go back to their own country o algo. They are DEFINITELY not the same thing as immigrants who come to another country and live there then go back to their home country after they retire

>>216396004 (OP)
im better at english than they will ever be at norwegian, hell im actually better at english than them. its just easier this way, bu a friend of mine dated a romanian for years and eventually she said
>stop talking english to me i understand enough norwegian that i can start to reply back but none talk norwegian to me so i never get to use it?
she is now a fully norwegian speaker.
its us who need to drop convenience over saying
>second to the left
and rather say
>andre til venstre
>andre... til.... venstre...
or whatever.

All expats need to die. It's that simple. I hate Indian and Spanish expats the most

>>216396046
To communicate with your neighbours when you live in the Netherlands, pidor
>>216396207
That's 30 years of forcing their disgusting English on people

>>216396004 (OP)
Native English speakers are the most entitled people on the planet and I say that as one myself. Americans are definitely the worst of the bunch though.

>>216396248
>im better at english than they will ever be at norwegian
This was my mindset until 80 per cent of my street was expat. Now they demand we use English in meetings for the owner's association of our shared parking space (obviously they can demand all they want and we're not going to do it, but the fucking cheek of it infuriates me)

>>216396004 (OP)
Why would I learn to speak your language when you all already speak English?

>>216396338
It's not just native english speakers. It's basically every european immigrant that's too lazy to learn a new language so they force their broken english onto you

>>216396438
This is what happens when you bend over to the foreigners. Force them to fit in or just kick them out. Are you the guest?

>>216396438
Welke stad zit je

>>216396594
Zaandam

>>216396610
Rotterdam hier. Ook zelfde situatie al is regio Amsterdam nog wel een niveau erger denk ik

>>216396107
>Dutch is hideous enough when spoken by a native. Now imagine broken Dutch.
This would make me assume that the broken foreigner Dutch would sound better thoughever

>>216396004 (OP)
just scam the hell out of them like we do here

>>216396650
We hebben een serieus probleem

>>216396004 (OP)
I am a language lover and would make the conscious effort to become at least proficient in the language of wherever I go. The problem is I don't like the Netherlands.

>>216396004 (OP)
I hate that too but the only exception I make is for Dutch

>>216396126
Depends on the segment of society they're there to take part in. I work in construction. Two of the carpenters on the project i'm at are Australians. Both fully fluent in Swedish. Some time a while back i guess they decided that they wanted to get settled here and for any kind of upwards mobility in this industry you need to know the language.

The beforementioned project is at a major university however. I know people who work at the school. Some of these people have worked in Sweden for decades as researchers and professors and they can barely introduce themselves in Swedish. I know plenty of Swedish white collars act the same way abroad as well. There should be a term for this class of people. The borderless cosmopolitan class or something.

>>216396490
I mean, I get it. If a Lithuanian and Portuguese person are living in Amsterdam, why would they bother learning Dutch, when they both already speak English, the global lingua franca. Especially if they're not planning on living in the country for more than a few years. Couple that with the fact that most Dutch people speak excellent English to being with, and it further disincentives them from learning the local language. I totally get that it must be frustrating for the locals to feel like a linguistic foreigner in your own country, but these are the realities of living in our modern, globalised world.

>>216396782
Yeah, this is more or less what I meant. Generally speaking, the more financial freedom a person has the more they see themselves as being above the rules and customs of a place.

>>216396850
I moved out of Amsterdam for this exact reason back to a new build neighbourhood Zaandam, my home town. I would expect people's plans are to live here pretty long term if you buy a house here, but they still make no effort to learn Dutch

>>216396004 (OP)
Yes, Non-Scandinavian Europeans and especially Anglophones never bother even trying to learn the language. The non-Europeans at least try even if they speak poorly.

>>216396004 (OP)
Because people in your cuntree brag about all of you being able to speak perfect English as if that's something that's difficult to learn. Why would an outsider put in effort to learn a language that's brand new to him when it's already established that he can just speak English

>>216397093
>Why would an outsider put in effort to learn a language that's brand new to him when it's already established that he can just speak English
For the betterment of society, but I wouldn't expect a Serb to understand this concept

>>216396850
This is why I think it's harsh to criticise native Anglophones for their laziness in learning new languages. If you move to the Low Countries or Scandinavia, you're going to get by in English and you're going to find all manner of other foreigners doing just that.

>>216396004 (OP)
>expats
*migrant filth

>>216396004 (OP)
Dutch is a useless language and you should adapt by becoming an English speaking country.

>>216396004 (OP)
>expats
Because they’re eventually going to leave the country as the term suggests.
Also, imagine learning Dutch when they all speak English fine.

>>216397297
Neither do you clearly. Why would an outsider care about YOUR society? An immigrant moves abroad for money and to provide more for his wife and kids. There's no reason to care about anything else when he's not among his people

>>216396004 (OP)
This kinda mentality is what's holding back Europe.
>OOOOOO you moved 200 kilometers now you're expected to speak our little special snowflake language
European economy would be improved with greater integration, and language standardization is apart of that. One of America's strengths is that people can move thousands of miles away without having to learn a new language, which makes our labor supply adaptable. People should be able to move from Paris to Amsterdam without having to learn a new language.

>>216397511
>white man wants to improve social cohesion
>yankoid worries about his God THE ECONOMY
Why are you on 4chan, miguel, you should take on a third job

>>216397334
It seems to only be French people who criticize Anglos for this.
French people will get mad about anglophone tourists speaking English in their country then they'll go to other countries and speak English.

>>216397755
What material benefits does 'social cohesion' bring you? Language is ultimately a tool for communication and nothing more, linguistic plurality is an inefficiency, and Europe has too much of it.
>muh culture
Language isn't culture. You wouldn't say that Singapore, Lagos, New York, Birmingham, have the same culture. But they have the same predominant language. If language is your entire culture, you don't really have much of a culture at all.

>>216396295
Wtf you still have Spaniards in your country? What jobs do they have? And do they speak English to you?

>>216398222
You do realise we're pretty close to spain right? They're well educated with good jobs. They speak English. I've never seen a Spaniard that speaks Dutch and they're everywhere nowadays

Every francophone belgian I interacted with flexed his dutch speaking skill, weird

fuck I need to go back to grenada

>>216398386
i thoight you kicked them out 500 years ago, how sad

>>216396004 (OP)
If my neighbours didn't speak my native language I would do everything in my power to make them uncomfortable

>>216398489
>wallon qui parle néerlandais
Pas possible. Tu n'as pas parlé avec un francophone mais juste avec un Flamand

>>216397930
Language is an aspect of culture you dumb mutt

>>216396004 (OP)
idk

>>216396004 (OP)
velar trills are a crime against humanity

>>216397408
"Expat" is just a cope term for Westerners that don't want to be self-defined as immigrants because, maybe, in ten/twenty years time, they might move back to their home country.

There are Kiwis that live in Europe or the US for 20+ years with a wife, kids, and a mortgage and still self-define as "expats" lol

>>216396004 (OP)
Dutch is ugly like all Northern European languages that's why.

>>216403912
I was an Expat in the UK, I lived there for 4 years, then i left, thank god.

>>216403912
My older neighbor lived and worked in Thailand for 20 years, with his wife and children from here, but they still maintained a residence in this country and he has recently retired and is now back here for good.
He was transferred there by the company he works for which has offices there and his kids already moved back ages ago for college.
What else would you call that?
An immigrant stays forever and brings their entire extended family with them.

>>216404106
Thirdies don't realize that the handful of white people in their country are there to give them electricity, clean water, food, internet and shit.
It's always the corrupt thirdies with their crabs in the bucket mentality holding them back.

>>216396004 (OP)
We went through this 60 years ago with french so you can only be a toilet scrubber if you don't speak dutch in flanders.

they all speak french and expect you to be fluent in it. for some reason they refuse to integrate
tot hier en niet verder, mongool, enough is enough. the cancer called brussels that is spreading
>let's frenchify even more parts of flanders while you fucks pay the price
"no"

>>216396295
>Indian expats
We're not expats we're immigrants
>>216396338
ok abdoool
>>216405160
shut up nigger
>>216404106
idc