Thread 216441498

If their eastern european shithole is so rich, why are they doing out? Am I missing something? Their TFR is lower than in Switzerland, Denmark or even Portugal.

Or maybe they are rich but their women prefer taking BBC? I demand answers.

>>216441498 (OP)
wat? if they were rich you would expect them to have less children. money = no babies.

>>216441498 (OP)
Polish women are BBC only but we don't have enough supply

>>216441524
Yeah but you wouldn't call Turkey or Argentine rich?

Birth control, porn, cheap housing made impossible = low birthrate
Its just warfare.

>>216441524
>money = no babies.
That's a meme bro. Firsties don't have kids because they don't have money for kids. Meme GDP and meme HDI can't buy you apartment and shit.

>>216441498 (OP)
the west's birthrate is being bolstered by immigrants

>>216441548
Are you telling me that meme GDP numbers don't improve the quality of life for the average serf?

>>216441569
and is still shit as well anyway

>>216441569
>>216441537
Interesting, so it seems

>>216441498 (OP)
We simply don't want to have kids. I could afford to raise 3-4 but what for? I prefer to go for an inceltrip to the forest instead. I can't imagine having to wake up 5 times per night because a baby needs to have the diaper changed.

>>216441563
>Firsties don't have kids because they don't have money for kids
Then how can Ngubu afford his 8 kids?

>>216441611
>I could afford to raise 3-4 but what for?
It's a good thing to have people who care about you, no?
>I can't imagine having to wake up 5 times per night because a baby needs to have the diaper changed.
It's your kids, no? You can handle it, it doesn't take THAT much effort. It's 2 of you after all and it's only a year or two.

>>216441611
a man who lives without porn & social media can only think about breeding. just think about what things like porn and social media are doing to you.

>>216441611
What about the future of Polish people?

>>216441563
untrue. as you can see on this map the richest areas in firstie countries have lower fertility rates. more money = less babies.
the best way to make sure someone never has kids if to give them more money

>>216441633
That's very simple. Because correlation != causation. They don't give a fuck about money. They can live in a square cuckshed and it doesn't bother them. Their women don't chase after a meme career in HR and their men don't play steam game 12 hours a day. Saying that the average Timmy is rich hence doesn't want kids is a bit ridiculous. I

>>216441542
i would assume they have good quality of life. south korea has less money than america but less fertility, because quality of life is way higher, and to a lesser extent because people are more educated.

>>216441636
>It's a good thing to have people who care about you, no?
How would I know if my kids would give a shit about me? More likely they'd hope I die faster so they could inherit my house.

And I can always hire an SEAsian woman to take care of me when I'm already old.

>You can handle it, it doesn't take THAT much effort.

It does for me. I just have better things to do.

>>216441641
I haven't watched p*rn for ages dude. And my only "social media" is this board. I just prefer to read books or walk outside in the afternoon rather than bothering with kid's problems, let alone wife's problems

>>216441674
how is it ridiculous when that's exactly what the data shows? the more money someone has the less likely they are to reproduce.

>>216441666
>untrue. as you can see on this map the richest areas in firstie countries have lower fertility rates
Broski, that's a different story. Korea is not rich. Japan is not rich and Europe is not rich. Let's not compare the truly rich Americans from Beverly Hills to the average Kim who lives in a cuckshed in some overcrowded megacity and has to wageslave until he is 65?

>>216441665
Indonesians can arrive here if they want. I'm going to die sooner or later anyway so why would I care about distant future of anything

>>216441674
So it isn't about money, it's about societal attitudes?

>>216441735
you are right. strong social programs and high quality of life also depress birthrates even more than money. as you know japan and korea both have strong social programs and higher quality of life than america. this is actually the reason why our birthrates are even lower than america despite our nations being poorer than america.

>>216441730
You see that's very simple, that's because you are not rich. Your meme Korean GDP doesn't make you rich. You still have to wageslave and you still can't have kids BECAUSE your quality of life will DRASTICALLY drop and you can't handle it.
>>216441721
>How would I know if my kids would give a shit about me?
That's the point of life. You have to do your best and maybe ROI will be high enough. That's the fun part.
>And I can always hire an SEAsian woman to take care of me when I'm already old.
I don't know dude. When you can't remember what's your name you have to be very naive to put so much trust into some random SEA monkey.
>>216441753
I'd say it's both. You need money AND societal attitudes. But saying that people don't have kids because they are rich is a bit ridiculous. The average westerner nowadays is anything but rich. Of course he is richer than the average chink or paki who has to work in a factory to survive. Let's put it this way, you are rich if you stopped working today and could chill for the next 3 years without the gibs. Raising kids isn't cheap right?

>>216441776
That's because both Korea and Japan are crypto-colonies. Asian femoids believe that chasing after a meme career in HR is more important than having babies. You see, it's always a mix of everything.

>>216441498 (OP)
could ask you the same thing buddy
>>216441548
>Birth control, porn, cheap housing made impossible
Add growing infertility to that list. All that plastic in our balls affects hormones, sperm quality, ovulation cycle etc.

>>216441856
Nobody here is saying that Japan is rich 24 / 7. Most of Japanese admit that the Japanese future isn't bright lol
>>216441856
>Add growing infertility to that list.
Brownies have okayish TFR in the west. I doubt their diet is better.

>>216441739
>>216441611
Hedonism truly is a mental illness. Grim.

>>216441893
>Hedonism truly is a mental illness
Mental illnesses cause harm to the individual, anon seems happy with his life, how is he mentally ill?

>>216441917
Are you saying that the average neet is enjoying life? DUH

>>216441936
Anon never said he was a NEET

>>216441966
Let's assume so. Have you seen a lot of lonely people who are genuinely happy?

>>216441803
after the korean war the average woman was having like five children. at that time they were working even more hours than we do nowadays because they were literally industrializing the country. the reason why people stopped having kids was because wages and quality of life drastically increased, and also because people became more educated.

>>216441869
>Nobody here is saying that Japan is rich 24 / 7.
Nobody is saying that here either, only lying politicians and schizos on /int/ do.
>Brownies have okayish TFR in the west.
Less and less so. India already hit the 2.0 threshold, Muslim countries breed less with every passing year, same with South America.
Only weird closed religious communities like Mormons or Haredis manage to avoid this, everyone else is slowly moving towards extinction.

>>216441893
My grandpa had 7 children yet he was still a hedonist, simply back in the 1950s having a lot of children in a farm was profitable, children were used as free workforce so my granddad had more free time for his own entertainment. Nowadays it's the opposite, children are only a financial burden and make you unable to enjoy life

>>216441803
>That's the point of life. You have to do your best and maybe ROI will be high enough. That's the fun part.
I now less risky options to maximize my ROI. I dont see any fun in it, I'm not a gambler.

>>216441973
No, most Humans need to socialise in order to be happy

>>216441982
>people became more educated.
The average Korean roastie with her meme art science degree isn't "educated" broski.
>the average woman was having like five children
That's because the average woman wasn't recording retarded tiktok videos and watching plastic k-pop whores all day long. That doesn't make her less educated.
Let's put it this way. Do you think the average Korean / Japanese / German roastie can explain how an internal combustion engine works? Do you think she can solve a single easy leetcode assignment? LOL! LMAO!
>the reason why people stopped having kids was because wages and quality of life drastically increased
>Hmmm now I'm so so so so SOOOO rich so I refuse to procreate and I refuse to have a loving family with wonderful kids who will respect and love me
Bro really?

>>216441833
yeah no. idk about japan but in korea, korean men actively avoid marrying women. they just use them as cocksleeves and dump them when they get tired of them. even if the average korean woman wanted to get married, men would reject her because korean men do not want to get married. the reason why women get jobs is because if they didn't they would have nothing to do. no man wants to marry them anyway.

There are dozens of reasons why birth rate is collapsing yet chuds will always stick to blaming women for trying to live their lives, pathetic

>>216441917
Anon is a retarded manchild asking to get choked by a migrant nurse with a pillow, assuming he doesn't get stabbed by random browns in the street earlier. What's much worse, the consequences of his faggy lifestyle won't affect just him, but everyone who lives here. Such extreme short-sightedness and lack of survival instincts qualifies as mental illness.

>>216441992
>Nobody is saying that here either, only lying politicians and schizos on /int/ do.
Dude, your schizo compatriots constantly create retarded threads about how rich Poland is
>>216442066
Well. Let me rephrase what I said. I have NEVER seen happy childless women who are >35 yo. It's always some miserable angry people.

I think Poland and Korea should just do gender exchange, like Korean men come to Poland and Polish men come to Korea. Polish girls love Asian guys, Korean girls love white guys so immediately a lot of new couples would be made and many new babies would be produced, both nations would survive. Especially that mentally Poles and Koreans are quite similar (culture of historical butthurt, inferiority complex, love for flexing, specific mix of patriarchy and matriarchy that is hard to explain)

>>216442079
>yeah no. idk about japan but in korea, korean men actively avoid marrying women. they just use them as cocksleeves and dump them when they get tired of them. even if the average korean woman wanted to get married, men would reject her because korean men do not want to get married. the reason why women get jobs is because if they didn't they would have nothing to do. no man wants to marry them anyway.
None of which screams KOREA IS RICH, it only indicates that the sociery is broken beyond repair.

>>216442072
>The average Korean roastie with her meme art science degree isn't "educated" broski.
whatever you want to call her she has a college degree.
>Hmmm now I'm so so so so SOOOO rich so I refuse to procreate and I refuse to have a loving family with wonderful kids who will respect and love me
literally yes. i already showed you the data. if you give someone more money they will not reproduce. the best way to improve birthrates would be to slash everyone's budgets in half or even more than that.
you can literally see in 2008, during the great financial crisis birthrates meaningfully increased.
the reason why birthrates keep getting worse is because policy makers think like you. they think if they give korean people more money that they will start having kids. then they do it, fertility rates get even worse, and they scratch their heads.
but honestly i'm not against it because people who have really bad ideas deserve to be removed from the gene pool anyway.

>>216442104
>Dude, your schizo compatriots constantly create retarded threads about how rich Poland is

If someone advertises his country so much then you should already know he doesn't believe it himself

>>216441498 (OP)
Having a family used to be a necessary investment that you needed to make for when you got older so someone would take care of you. Now everyone expects the state to do that for you and that's how you end up with a shithole where half of the population is dependant on pensions but there's barely enough young workforce because people decided not to have kids
It will probably happen to Poland too

>>216442087
>retarded manchild
How?
>the consequences of his faggy lifestyle won't affect just him, but everyone who lives here.
Society isn't entitled to his children's labour, if Poland wants anon to have more children, then Poland should make it more advantageous for anon to do so

>>216442079
Extremely funny if true. Why is that? Are korean women all whores? Are they unpleasant?

Why do you care? Civilizations/nations just collapse same like individuals die. It's a natural process we shouldn't interfere with. Apparently our civilization is around it's end and that's fine, let it pass away in peace. Other civilizations will replace us only to repeat the cycle afterwards.

>>216442118
when korea was the poorest nation on earth people had way more kids. that's the mathematical reality. now they have more money and less kids. whatever you think about it is up to you.

>>216442087
>asking to get choked by a migrant nurse with a pillow
I now stories about parents murdered by their own children, so what?

>>216442170
Can I go in and get a white woman for me? Are there still germanic women from Prussian times in Poland? I don't want potato nosed slavs.

>>216442144
>she has a college degree.
Having a meme degree in poop and fart is useless. It's not even an argument. It doesn't make you rich, it takes your years and you get nothing of value in return.
>literally yes. i already showed you the data
Uh huh, what data? Where? Meme GDP isn't data.
>if you give someone more money they will not reproduce
It's correlation not causation. You haven't provided any evidence to prove the former. You just said
>something something women now have degree in poop and fart hence they don't need kids
Israel has decent TFR, they are rich. Vietnam is getting richer and their TFR is still good. What now?

>>216442192
Just try your luck in rural
Parana instead, should be easier

>>216442190
>I now stories about parents murdered by their own children, so what?
It's about statistics. The chance of getting murdered by your beloved kid is rather low. The chance of getting stabbed by a nigger or some SEA monkey is pretty high DUH

Poland is Japan of EU.

>>216442170
It doesn't have to collapse. Just go outside, find a woman to talk to, make her your wife and have kids. That's it, you just partially saved the civilization.

>>216442164
yes they are whores. they usually want to have sex right away and they are often trying to get into your pants. it's expected behavior.
they are also disrespectful, rude and delusional. the average korean woman gets married around 30. in other words the average korean woman wants to spend her most attractive years only having sex with random guys and then try to offer you the scraps. hell no. korean men are usually not that stupid. neither am i.
not all korean woman are bad but i don't trust them. i'm leaving korea soon and i'm just gonna SEAmaxx instead. koreans are a dead end.

>>216442210
These ones are chad-only tho.
Brazilian women have the culture of implants, fillers and all this retarded shit. They are to pump&dump only.

>>216442242
If I'm already so senile and weak so I can be killed with a pillow then it's actually good that she would end my miserable life at this point

>>216442263
>find a woman to talk to,
Illegal in my country

>>216442291
Yeah I'm sorry about that part.

>>216442276
>Brazilian women have the culture of implants, fillers
Its a thing everywhere now.
>>216442263
I don't care about saving civilization

>>216442263
>go outside, find a woman to talk to, make her
they have someone already.

>>216442265
Those women with suits and shit are all whores? Damn. Here, the rich ones are usually more well behaved at least.

>>216442295
remember to always vote against feminist politicians in Japan, they say they want equality but they actually want female-supremacy.

Friendly reminder OP is a russian draftdodger pretending to be Japanese, you can see him posting in russian here
>>216440354
>A тeпepь я yeбaл пить чaй, дoбpa тeбe.
defending the honor of russian women online (lol).
He is not interested in any honest discussion about TFR, he's just butthurt at Poland because his own country, puccia, is in quite dire state

>>216442195
i've literally been to Vietnam (picrel) and the place is dirt poor. in Ho Chi Minh city there is trash literally everywhere and rats were running around in the 7/11 when i was buying chips and rats freely running around all over the street. and I love Vietnam i'm not talking shit about Nyugens i'm just telling you. when Vietnam gets richer their fertility rate will start collapsing too.
Israel's TFR is higher than average due to Hasidic Jews. Religion can moderate fertility somewhat. Saudi Arabia also has a higher birthrate, but even they are not unaffected. I have no doubt that both Israel and Saudi Arabia had higher fertility fifty years ago. In fact I would bet 1,000,000 USD that both Saudi and Israel had higher birthrates fifty years ago, when both nations were substantially poorer with significantly lower QOL.
You don't have to believe me right now Takeshi, but here is what i want you to do. keep an eye on Vietnam and other developing countries. when they start getting richer you're gonna hear more and more that their fertility is collapsing. when you see that Vietnam is really getting more and more money and having less and less babies, remember this conversation. that is all i ask.

>>216442356
>Friendly reminder OP is a russian draftdodger pretending to be Japanese
Ok? Why should I care?

>>216442312
>Polish BBC 54
>54
Please don't tell me you have a whole folder of this shit

>>216442361
you're responding to a russian, not japanese
>>216440156
>>216440241
>>216440651

>>216442361
It's not only hasidic jews with the decent TFR, secular Jews also have good TFR of around ~2.
Anyway, well noted, I will keep this conversation in mind.

>>216442376
he is pushing false narrative of poland being REPLACED by africans jeets and ukrainians

Polish women would rather fuck sandpaper than a polish man, can't blame them I wouldn't touch a pole even with a 10 foot pole.

>>216442333
korean women are whores they just are not open and honest about it with strangers. but if you date a korean girl she's gonna ask you for sex after a few dates, maybe a month at most.
let me just illustrate for you. i met this girl and took her out. after the first date she asked to go to a hotel with me, i said no.
next date she came back to me. she said, my mom said it's okay for us to have sex and she will get us condoms. i'm like GIRL WTF WHAAAAAAAAT. you have no idea how crazy it is over here. and i have other insane stories dude. it's just crazy. i literally don't even talk to korean women anymore cos there is no point. they are only interested in sex.
rich girls are usually not as bad but every country is like that, i'm talking about normal people.

>>216442376
because it makes it clear why don't his argument make any sense
he is not interested in an honest discussion, he's just lashing out at Poland because he's a puccian HIV patriot

>>216442442
>korean women are whores they just are not open and honest about it with strangers
My American buddy who lived in Polish Krakow fucked at least 2-3 Polish girls every week week. All he had to was to open a Tinder account. Most of women are like that, doesn't mean you have to be alone. You have rural girls in Korea, no? They should be normal?

>>216442601
when are you going back, HIVan? why is russia so poor compared to Poland?

>>216442625
I'm sorry you feel this way, trying to defend the honor of Polish women on the Internet.

>>216442693
I don't care about Polish women lol
I'm just asking when are you going back to Russia? Aren't you tired of cleaning Japanese toilets?

>>216442717
>I don't care about Polish women lol
I see, good for you then. Thanks for bumping my thread.

>>216442601
>You have rural girls in Korea, no
Idk about Korea exactly but at least in Poland these romanticized "rural girls" don't exist. Almost all reasonable women left villages for big cities and if there is any left in the countryside, competition for her is much bigger than in the city, since in every village there are probably like 10 single guys per one woman, so it's enough that you have 2 arms, 2 legs and half of your teeth to be worshipped like a goddess.

why are hivans obsessed with us
nigga is sitting in okinawa and the first thing he does in the morning is sneethe at us

>>216442854
How hard is the competition? Let's you have a degree, a stable job and you are not a complete moron. Would that be sufficient?

>>216442872
>Let's you have a degree
In a village?
>a stable job
these guys do have stable jobs - they run their farms. Many of them are even quite wealthy. But it doesn't matter because women don't want to marry farmers, period, even if they could live like princesses, have a big modern house, new car and so on. They still prefer a 30sqm studio on the 15floor of a commieblock in a big city, riding a bus and feeding her cat instead.

>>216442915
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for elaborating

>all these people seriously answering to a VPN HIVan zigger monkey
This site is lost. I truly miss the gore Romanian.

>>216442975
>tf
>tp
Aren't you HIVan yourself tho?

>>216443012
I indeed am, but at least I have decency to accept the fact that russia is a shithole and russians are subhumans, while Poland is a first world country and the jewel of Slavdom.

>>216443139
>I indeed am, but at least I have decency to accept the fact that russia is a shithole
It is a shithole indeed tho. I don't understand why you are so mad at me here.

>>216443139
it is a shithole lmao
favelas in brazil are more well developed and well kept than any place >200km further from moscow
when your country cant beat a favela, talk about a shithole kek

>>216443139
>russia is a shithole and russians are subhumans
Btw why don't you go and live there? They already accept all kinds of brownies, no?

>>216443159
Because you're the same zigger shill who was seething about "le collapsed west" and "le trad bazed zigger womans" in another thread.

>>216443201
I still don't understand what's your point. Russia is a shithole and you live in a retarded shithole. Is there something else that is bothering you?

>>216443199
Russians are too white, we only accept violent nogs that can't even write their name. I'm from Warsaw Oblast and my city is 90% black at this point, and that's a good thing!

>>216443249
>Russians are too white,
Nah, I'm pretty sure this guy >>216443201 is some kind of a mystery meat mixed up mongoloid lol

>>216443233
You crippled lakhta pigger bot must call 117 and enlist (NOT AN ASSAULT!) right now instead of barking online.

>>216443299
Dude, you live in a retarded shithole and Russia is a shithole. I don't understand why it makes you so upset. The truth hurts or what?

>>216443293
What a deflecting subhuman tranny. All Russian nationalists fight for Ukraine, a lot fled there already in the 2010s.

>>216443293
even a mixed russian is already whiter than 99% of polands population, and therefore too white to come here. I dont even know why a Russian would want to move to Poland, even homeless people living on government benefits and handouts in Russia have higher life quality than most people in Poland

median post tax salary in Russia is around 5000-6000 euro per month, there is simply no reason to move to another country

>>216443357
You're a paid zigger shill and when Ukraine wins, you'll be hanged.

>>216443357
>All Russian nationalists fight for Ukraine
Good for them, duh?

By thread is occupied by retarded ziggers helps

My thread is occupied by retarded ziggers.

One retarded zigger is mad at me because he lives in a shithole and another zigger wants to hang somebody because something something. WTF

>>216443411
See >>216443391
Why isn't here anybody to wipe hivnigger threads with gore?

>>216443439
I don't understand what do you want from me? We already accepted that Russia is a shithole and you live in a shithole. Highly likely you will die in a shithole because nothing will change. I don't care about your retarded war and Ukraine leave me alone D:

>>216443366
>I dont even know why a Russian would want to move to Poland
He can clean your toilets or can become your boyfriend.

>>216443466
>tsaaar me not zigger tsaaar me native japanese tsaaar
1 1 7
NOW

>>216443479
i dont date wh*te people

>>216443514
The zigger in this thread is clearly not white. He is very upset and needs Big Polish Dick, see here >>216443139
That HIVan will be your cockslave, worship you till the veyr end.
>>216443512
Silence HIVan, go get drafted and die.

>thread about poopland
>it all circles back to seething about r*ssia
And they say Plumbers and HIVan's aren't obsessed trannies, kek.

>>216443548
he's still too wh*te. I only date the blackest niggerest BBCs from the deepest jungles of Congo

>>216443574
The thread is made by a russhit you imbecile.

>>216443574
Russia is the main cause of every bad thing in this region so it's pretty natural if bad things are discussed, Russia immediately comes up

>>216443574
It's the retarded HIVan who derailed this thread to discuss his retarded shithole.
>>216443580
Based Grzegorzsh

>>216443583
And what are you then? A vpn jeet? Go chug your cow piss.

>>216443583
Look here >>216443589
He is right. You have to kill yourself. Do you pay taxes in puccia you fucking HIVan? If yes then you are a part of the problem.

>>216442356
>>216442403
Notice how the zigger tranny ignores these posts.
>>216443604
>>216443614
You won't be left unpunished.

>>216443651
Zigger HIVan go get drafted and die

>>216443651
>You won't be left unpunished.

>>216443651
BUMP

>>216443651
I'm VERY sorry like you wouldn't believe how sorry I am mister Zigger

>>216441498 (OP)
you know what's easier than having a kid? not having one. it's a very easy decision to make when you are looking to cut expenses and stress

>>216444060
Allow me to repeat myself again. Do you think you can be happy at the age of 60 when you don't have a wife and kids? What kind of existence would that be?

>>216441730
Only if you are a middle class

>>216444225
sure you can. it all depends on the person. not everyone has the same desires.
and by the way many married people are miserable

>>216444438
I don't know buddy. I have seen happy married people (despite the fact that many of them are miserable), I'm yet to see a happy lonely person.
>>216444426
Thank you green Japan. It's just Timmies and ricecells think that money is the final answer to everything. It's not.

>>216441633
>Then how can Ngubu afford his 8 kids?
He can use his children as literal slave labor

>>216444619
>use his children as literal slave labor
Based

>>216441498 (OP)
>even Portugal.