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Previous: >>216373626

Lust Provoking Image Edition

>tfw its possible to learn every major language in all of western(including north and central) europe combined in less than a decade with enough time and effort and skill
>but impossible to learn all the east asian languages even with an entire lifetime of study, too hard
not fair

>>216462643
>IU
Love provoking image

I'm sticking with French. I think I'll give up on learning Japanese. I'm too old for that, and there are many languages of countries with stagnant economy that I want to learn. I also need to master English. I want people to envy me.
>>216461143
It is not only the population that matters, but also the average age. In an aging society, even young people adopt the characteristics of older people. Therefore, my thesis is, a nation of 20 million with 10 million young people will be more culturally fertile, dynamic, vibrant than a nation of 50 million also with 10 million young people. I get the impression that the Japanese people (but not only them) are turning into a nation of low expectations. I saw a video about this on YouTube and I can't refute these observations.
>Maybe Portuguese if Brazil reaches even a fraction of its potential
They just refuse to do that and they are starting to gettin old
>Spanish
>Indonesian
I get the impression that they are not very culturally productive, at least when it comes to export culture and slop (usually the same thing). Considering the scale of languages ofc

>>216462809
they're coming out with a shit ton of anti-aging technology in our lifetime, conservative average life expectancy is expected to rise to 100+, study whatever the fuck you want

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092867425005719

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwZ8Q9VvknY

how does one learn bird?

Unironically want to memorize some of these to better recognize birds on my walks. Wonder if there is an anki deck out there for such a thing.

>>216463102
you seem to be covered

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/331539617

how do I unlearn french

>>216462809
>young people adopt the characteristics of older people
Young people usually create a counter culture against the previous generation.

>low expecations
Japan's demographics are a real problem but I'm sure they'll manage, especially now that they're doubling down on their relationship with the US to plan for the future. South Korea and China are facing a worse demographic collapse.

>They just refuse to do that and they are starting to gettin old
Brazil's average age is lower than ours and they have the same birthrate, though they have terrible leadership. Argentina is the major latin American country with the best chance of improving their situation, and maybe Mexico if we work together to crush the cartel.

>not very culturally productive
Latin America produces plenty of culture. My knowledge of Indonesian culture is limited to Hololive but it reminds me a lot of latin America, or like a cooler Brazil. Plus they have 280 million people and a birthrate above replacement.

>>216463133
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/331539617
>10070 species with audio cards

>>216462756
yes

>>216462643
need some of my bb gurl Agustina

>>216464665
lol nice

>>216463902
Pass it to me.

>>216462643
She's also tall and has a huge tongue. Perfect woman, imo. Slightly goofy looking, so she is obtainable, but pure sexo at the same time.

>>216464665
She's actually gorgeous.

>>216462549 (OP)
>Lebanese arabic
>Hebrew
Unironically not that difficult, but getting resources isn't the easiest thing. I can read Franco just fine but arabic script looks like spaghetti.
On the other hand Hebrew script is such easier to read but their usual mix of consonants and occasional vowels makes me end up reading words totally wrong half the time.

Do wish I was still dating my lebo ex as she was very happy to put up with hour or two study sessions.

Too trash for native content. Too based for pepa pig. feels bad man

>>216462549 (OP)
I'm learning Farsi. Not too difficult compared to English given the nearly identical sentence structure but I definitely wish Duolingo covered it.

>>216463133
I want to try fun decks like this one and the ultimate geography one. Do y'all do any fun anki decks??

>>216466975
i wish I had time to do and learn shit that wasnt necessary or important

Learn French

>>216466857
Peppa Pig is actually based. Peppa is a little shit, Daddy Pig and Grandpa Pig are funny. And yes... multiple seasons watched in my TL.

Is it true Baltic is basically Nortg Slavic?

just blogposting please dont mind me

I just want to say that Reddit is such a dogshit place if you want to learn any language besides japanese (r/learnjapanese arigatou gozaimasu). Supposedly, there are large communities taht will help you learn every language existent on the world (or at least some 40 languages), but the communities itself are horrible.
Not that I navigated anything besides r/learnenglish, r/learnjapanese (the only good subreddit) and learnfrench (which I want to start learning), but you do expect that they, as a language learning forum, display a certain production of materials and resources for aiding the learning of fellow netizens. But since Reddit is Reddit, you will only encounter shitty ways of learning, such as paying for apps, which are horrible, at least when it comes to certain languages. And I don't really think is possible to learn any language by using Duolingo 15min/day. The best recommendation they have to give for a total beginner is downloading a fucking shitty app.
I have to say that they also recommend some good input youtube channels but I don't know, anyone can just search for "<target language> comprehensive input"
From this we can conclude that no one on Reddit actually wants to learn, but just have simple fun without real commitment. Redditors should choke themselves on a tight rope. Fuck Reddit! Fucking so!ylent-eating pigs!!!!
Btw does anyone have a good French book recommendation for total beginners? :3

Can I not just go on interpals and help a Japanese virgin woman learn to speak English and then marry her?
Must I truly learn another language?

>>216467496
Yeah I hate them as well
People measure their time spent learning a language in years, they think it's completely normal to have studied a language for 5+ years and be incapable of reading a page of their TL's translation of Harry Potter, they think the only way to learn a language is by taking classes and following the assigned textbook, etc
They don't actually want to learn their TL, they just think that learning a language is a good thing to do and they prefer to identify as language learners rather than actually doing it
I have developed a passionate hatred and contempt for these people
For French my favourite textbook is French for Reading by Karl Sandberg but as a native Portuguese speaker I'm not sure if it'd be necessary, also the lack of audio kind of hurts
Maybe you could try Le Français Par La Méthode Nature but personally I found the first 10 or so chapters really boring, it has the benefit of audio though

>>216467339
You won't be having conversations with Balts after learning Slavic, pic related (green: recognizably related to Slavic, red: international)

Want to learn Japanese and then Chinese but also Latin and Ancient Greek.
Where will I find the time bros

>>216467919
Join the club

>>216462934
>216463952
I was taking morze about social change and dynamism. Revolutions, new discoveries, breakthroughs in art and science... All of this was accomplished by young people, unfettered by a system where for every young person there are five whining old men and ten women
>a counter culture against the previous generation
Rather, what they consider counterculture. The rebellion has been hijacked by the old people. Maybe there's a slight swerve to the right. But even so, counterculture always builds on the mainstream. New generations think in the same terms as older generations, only they consider something different as a "cool tuning".
>but I'm sure they'll manage
Yep, probably. But for now, Japan is more and more depressing and not so dynamic culturally
>they have the same birthrate
So they don't have much time. Japan has had this birthrate since the idk 70s, but it got rich as hell by the late 80s.
>not very culturally productive
Vtubers, telenovelas, reggaeton. But I do overall like LatAm music though, especially Brazilian one. But as I said
>Considering the scale of languages ofc
But I won't deny it, I may be ignorant on this matter. When it comes to American culture, for example, everyone sees Taylor Swift, rap, LGBT, and the fight against racism on movies, but few realize how large the country music scene is. Because it is not an export cultural product

>>216469053
Fuck, I meant >>216463952 also

>>216463952
>Japan will manage
Yeah by importing underpaid Indians and Africans lmao

>>216469053
you're right of course, there's going to be massive stagnation with the increasing lack of young people. You need to not only have young people, but also have an environment where they're allowed to experiment and think freely and act on their own initiative. The 'you're still too young and haven't finished maturing yet so you won't be given any serious tasks' line of thought destroys society. And oddly this sentiment is more common among progressives than conservatives now

does anyone know any korean gaming channels that focus on long-form, unedited content of exploratory-type games (rpgs/minecraft/etc shit like that)

I can't stand the hyper-edited korean zoomer content with cuts every 3 seconds gives me a migraine

>>216462736
>priming yourself for failure
NGMI
You can learn them all. Will you?
>>216463902
You don't I've been trying for 10 years and it's still there
>>216467496
Can't anyone search for <target language> beginner books?
But I'll play along a little and recommend finding a cookbook

>>216470162
Just find a streamer that talks nonstop

>>216462549 (OP)
GET OFF THE TABLE, ALCOHOLIC BITCH

>>216469880
>'you're still too young
I fucking hate it so much and I'm not even young anymore. Let them make mistakes, learn, grow, LIVE for fuck sake

>>216462809
>I also need to master English
I'm feeling that. My proficiency deteriorated so much ever since taking a full time german job, i'm now in a weird spot where my korean is often times better due to being mostly accent free.
But fuck me finding time for an actual speaking course.

Doomerposting:
I can't imagine speaking French well in the future. I can't imagine reading Japanese without any problems. I can't imagine speaking Italian or German without some old man whining above my head about imaginary problems.
>>216470568
I started teaching an older colleague at work for fun and practice (he only uses Duolingo). Singing songs like in kindergarten, some slang, some basics of pronunciation, even though I myself am not the best at it. It's always something but I recently had to speak English and found it difficult
I think I'll maybe start watching more sophisticated content in English and practice by shadowing.

>>216470823
What would you consider more sophisticated content? My free time is currently occupied by building new furniture, but after that my best shot was watching british chefs and repeating to the mirror.

>>216470955
Old new Star Wars Trilogy with only Obi Wan and Count Dooku speaking edit
But more seriously, I don't know. Lately, I've only had the energy for slop. Probably more documentaries

>>216462643
>使得情慾的圖片版

>>216471191
Yeah, BBC might be in order, but considering how many brits are disadvocating posh sources like abbeys, i'm trying to stay relatable.

>>216466916
>but I definitely wish Duolingo covered it.

Wonder who could be behind this...

what resources are you primarily using?

>>216462736
I'm pretty sure CJK would only take you 10 years.

is english growing?

>>216467803
>they prefer to identify as language learners rather than actually doing it

hit the nail on the head

>>216472821
It's always growing, because thirdies want to move to the US or commonwealth nations because we are that goated

>>216467803
People call themselves language learners and all they do is browse this thread, so like arguably the 5 year streak duolingers who can't read harry potter in their TL have done more work still lol

>>216473130
but will the majority of people (at least 50 percent) speak it? right now they dont

>>216473248
Probably. English is really the only language worth knowing. Anyone who doesn't speak it isn't worth acknowledging.

>>216473248
At the current rate, unironically yes. Chinks may be stubborn about it, but science, finances and "basic" exchange like flight and shipping control have only moved ever closer to English after 2008.

Not speaking English is a massive disadvantage. Not acquiring English natively is a massive disadvantage.

Swedish, czech, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, French, Spanish, German, polish, Norwegian are all taken on here

I’m left with these guys, correct ?
Polish
Bulgarian
Serbo-Croatian
Danish
Romanian
Finnish or Hungarian
Portuguese

>>216462549 (OP)
this is my future wife

>>216474522
Polish is taken by poleleaf
Serbian is taken by the Italian chud
And I think there are some people learning Finnish and Portuguese here

>>216475133
Mannnnnnn :( ok then…. My choice of language is becoming smaller, I’ll have to go with a smaller language nobody is interested in

>>216475306
What will you do if someone else starts learning your TL after you've chosen it?

>>216475404
I am going to do exactly that

>>216474522
Arabic and Latin?

>>216475984
Taken

>>216474522
you're not accounting for the lurkers that are learning these languages, but never post

Every time I listen to Norteno music I get the urge to learn Spanish.
Should I do it? Stuck between either Spanish or Italian...

>>216475404
I just want a unique one now that’s all. Well be friends and I’ll give them tips. As long as I’m the first one to chose it, that’s what matters for me atm

>>216476058
Yeah but I’m focused on those who post

>>216476138
>I’ll have to go with a smaller language nobody is interested in
and when nobody responds because you've chosen a language nobody is interested in?
summe incertus es

>>216476245
Exactly, what’s wrong though ? Maybe I won’t share what I’ve learned or ask questions, it’s fine

>>216470162
i enjoy watching this guy https://www.youtube.com/@hanryang1125/playlists
he's funny and plays a ton of games, lots of full length vods. lots of talking

this guy is fun to watch too https://www.youtube.com/@Nokduro_world/videos
very chill, plays lots of indie games, platformers, nintendo, etc. he has a weird way of talking though, not the best for learning normal spoken korean...

but if you're looking for an egirl, you can try: https://www.youtube.com/@FULLBOM/videos
humongous amount of vods, plenty of games

I'm wondering whether to continue French or replace it with Italian (rather useless professionally, sounds nice too, much easier to pronounce, I have relatively close family there), Spanish (grammatically easier than Italian, pronunciation more difficult than Italian, but easier than French, also useless professionally here) or German (the only universally useful professional language, slightly easier pronunciation, more difficult grammar, but not as for people who are not familiar with the concept of cases). I'm still undecided about whether to learn Japanese in the meantime or not. I like the language, writing system, I like Japan, their cars, but the future looks bleak (is it correct and natural in English?). It's far away, ticket prices are expensive, and the salaries aren't encouraging. Asian women are ok, but I don't have the yellow fever and get bored by anime.

>>216476528
>Spanish (grammatically easier than Italian, pronunciation more difficult than Italian
Spanish isn't grammatically easier and it's only marginally easier phonetically.
>I'm still undecided about whether to learn Japanese in the meantime or not. I like the language, writing system
The writing system of japanese sucks.

>>216476660
>marginally easier phonetically
For Polish natives Italian is easier
>The writing system of japanese sucks.
One of the best things in Japanese.

>>216476660
>The writing system of japanese sucks
I agree. It is an inexcusable cluster fuck cobbled together.

>>216476660
>>216476986
Is Chinese writing system better?

>>216477185
Not really. Vietnamese is best.

>>216476528
If I saw a girl whose thighs looked like that I would tell her to lose some weight

>>216476805
>One of the best things in Japanese.
No. You are probably thinking "cool logographic characters accompanied by an alphabetical system for grammatical inflections". That would be cool but it is not what the japanese writing system is.
But that's not what it is at all. The vast majority of Hanzi weren't logographic to begin with, diverged from their phonetic components over the course of centuries and then the japanese created a whole layer of mess on top by being undecided whether to use them phonetically, semantically or both.
Whenever you have two kanji next to each other (which is all the time) you have to figure out if it's a chinese compound word (possibly a fake one invented in japan like 飛行機) a japanese compound word (like 靴下), or a non-compound japanese word that's written as if it was a compound (面白い) sometimes using pronunciations that you would never use for the individual characters (明日).

>>216477430
>tfw hangul solved all of that, yet kpopfags suck the joy out of it everyday

>>216476528
Deutschland befindet sich sowohl kulturell als auch wirtschaftlich im Niedergang also ich würde dir händeringend davon abraten, deine Zeit mit dem Lernen davon zu verschwinden, abgesehen davon, dass du dich für deutsche Literatur oder was ähnliches interessiert. Ich mache schlechte Laune nur ungerne aber so ist der derzeitige Stand der Dinge. Das Land geht regelrecht den Bach runter.

>>216477423
Like which country girl?
>>216477430
I like aesthetic writing systems and Japanese three "alphabets" are also interesting. That's it. I know only kana for now
>>216477819
It's still beneficial to know German in Poland and good direction for eventual emigration

>>216477819
Warst du schon dort?

how easy is it to get a japanese gf
this will influence my decision to learn the language

>>216478039
>Like which country girl?
I think it's obvious... it's more than one. The artist clearly likes the thicc type, not me though.
Also what's with the facial expressions?? The American looks like she wants to shoot me. The Italian looks disgusted by my presence. The German looks slightly annoyed.
The Brazilian and Indian just look purely insane.

>>216478246
As I remember correctly, the artist is a Brazilian female

>>216478246
>The artist clearly likes the thicc type, not me though
Just say you're gay at this point.

>>216478383
Weird
>>216478439
Is it gay to not be attracted to fat girls?

>>216478161
>how easy is it to get a japanese gf
Impossible. Japanese girls only get wet for japanese fuckboy hosts.

>>216466857
Well, you're fucked then, cuz there's only native content and peppa, and nothing in between...

>>216467496
Alex Leroc, journaliste

>>216474522
Okay, I will stop learning Swedish and donate my learning rights to you, so you can be unique and call yourself "swedeleaf". Deal?

schoolwork also came extremely easy to me so i never really had to study anything profusely my entire life
how should someone like me learn a language when i dont really know how to "learn" anything

>>216478489
>Is it gay to not be attracted to girls
Yes

>>216478489
They're not fat
Thicc thighs + wide hips >>> everything

>>216478724
You're going to sit there on 4CHAN DOT ORG and make a post telling me that you must be attracted to every girl on EARTH or you're gay

>>216476528
Still didn't decide. Idk is there point of learning French without perfect accent

>>216478833
Yes. All them bitches in that pic (2d btw) were not fat lol.
You aint never seen a fat bitch, let alone an obese bitch if you think that.

>>216476528
For me it's French girls.

>>216479349
Sexo with Aurore (in your TL)

>>216478039
You replied to pajeeto google translate.

>>216479037
Then just learn the accent? It's not like the language has any beneficials outside of wine and fine dining.

>>216479349
Who is this goddess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSUj3PRvzzg

damn...we have like superpowers bros. How cool is that!

>>216479438
My wife.

>>216479465
Ok, any reliable source on that?

>>216479314
A girl with hips/thighs like that pic irl would have a double-chin. It's just artist trickery.

>>216478833
It's gay to not have a wide spectrum of attraction because like being gay it limits your fecundity, you think your ancestors inspected the teeth of a gifted mule? pichy eaters are the most unnatural beings on this earth

>>216479426
I don't know if it's possible to develop a good French accent at my age. And I think it's crucial for French. And while German is safer, working with French in Poland is also possible.

>>216479680
Damn that's crazy I prefer normal girls, I guess I should just install grindr now.

>>216479604
Have you seen women irl? Especially from your country? I know two Portuguese girls (sisters) with massive thighs and no face fat.
Touch grass holy shit.

>>216477551
I really fucking wish Korea still used Hanja consistently, it would've been a hundred times easier to read and understand than guessing which of the hundreds of 화s it is.

>>216479851
>here's two examples from a country of 10 million
Ok

>>216479919
Its okay to be a faggot in 2025 bro. Nothing wrong with liking skinny male ass.

>>216479911
Skill issue

>>216479771
You know that the age thing is a hoax? You're only losing the boost of young years, the repeating pattern hinder only starts after 60, well into your senior years.
Same why they say an instrument with 50 is still viable, although there's probably a bit more muscle memory shenanigans in that.

>>216479951
I LIKE SKINNY GIRLS
I LIKE CUTE GIRLS WITH SLENDER FEMININE BODIES WHO ARE SWEET AND SMELL LIKE FLOWERS
(LEGAL AGE OBV..)

>>216480078
And we respect that, brother

>>216478062
Ehrlich gesagt nein. Bin zu arm über den Teich zu springen aber vielleicht werde ich eines Tages in der Lage sein, mir eine solche Reise zu leisten. bin einfach ein bisschen am Trollen. Gleichwohl, eine gewisse düstere Stimmung ist mir in letzter Zeit beim Hören deutschen Nachrichtenpodcasts und Sendungen immer stärker aufgefallen. Die Wirtschaft scheint wirklich angeschlagen zu sein und Umfragen zufolge sind die Leute mit der neuen Bundesregierung unter Merz entweder enttäuscht oder zumindest eher unzufrieden. Ich mache mir Sorgen über die Zukunft Deutschlands. Sie haben viel Geld zu eigener Aufrüstung und zur Unterstützung ausgegeben aber die Politiker stellen in den Raum auch dass Sozialleistungen gekürzt werden müssen. Wie kann ein Politiker seinem Volk sowas erklären? Welches Volk würde sowas einem Politiker überhaupt abkaufen, selbst wenn einen Ansatz wie das vielleicht langfristig betrachtet strategisch Sinn ergibt. Der Boden da scheint reif für populistische Bewegungen. Noch dazu die Zuwanderungdebatte was ein Dauerstreitthema ist. Unterm Strich kommt mir das Land als sehr zerstritten vor und ich sehe keinen sich abzeichnenden Wohlstand nachdem Deutschland sich gegen preisgünstiges russisches Gas entschieden hat. Meiner Meinung nach sieht Deutschland einer unheilvollen Zukunft entgegen und dasselbe gilt für Frankreich auch mit ihrer hohen Staatsverschuldungen, politischer Instabilität, und der fehlenden Kompromissbereitschaft zwischen den Linken Kräften und den Macronisten. Vielleicht läuft's besser in den anderen EU-Ländern. Ich würde mir nicht anmaßen eine Meinung über deren Aussichten zu äußern aufgrund Wissensmangels, aber ich schaue mir regelmäßig Deutsche und Französische Nachrichten an und wie schon gesagt mach ich mir Sorgen um deren Zukünfte.

alright blog ended; thank you for the writing prompt. Honestly, I bet despite all the bleak news, etc Germany is still a great country and place to live in and that they'll figure it out.

>>216479680
>you think your ancestors inspected the teeth of a gifted mule?
Yes?
>it limits your fecundity
You have it backwards. Almost every culture in human history is autistic and selective about beauty standards because they want to maximize fertility and health. If you were an ancient tribal and they arranged you with a girl from another tribe one of the first things you should do is check her teeth.

>>216480201
I could have made it my whole life without seeing this image, and you've taken that away from me.

>>216480407
It's a silent war with the rich/elites/establishment/etc. and an open brain drain. We'll probably pull a right wing coalition in three years, only then it'll be clearly decided where the current shitshow is going.

That said we still got good beer and ever better wine.

>>216480071
But I'm talking purely about pronunciation. My English accent is already fucked up

Anybody ever use Italki or anything similar? Kinda wanting to get some speaking practice in my TL. Where I am I only have French and English speakers (and various thirdies), who I already understand.

>>216474522
Learn Vietnamese or Turkish

>>216479680
promiscuity is a sign of low iq. I seek my true love and my soul mate. lusting on other women is cheating on your current or future wife

>>216483552
Cope. Some of the smartest academics in history are actually sex pests.
Just like how some are eternal virgins lol.

我学习中文, anyone else?

>>216482638
Find a speech therapist/speech pathologist and pay them to develop some exercises that will help you target the sounds you want to make. Just give them a list of IPA sounds in French. Developing a good accent is all about doing exercises that get your facial muscles used to making certain sounds.
You can also try to do it yourself by googling exercises for whatever phoneme you're trying to reproduce, but the problem is it depends on your native language. A resource for English speakers trying to develop a French accent might not work very well for a Polish speaker, and vice versa.

Can i somehow make anki have the same format as on picrel with pre-existing word collections?
>>216467339
Grammatically - mostly yes, prefixes+verbs galore, morphology is same-ishl Lexicons are different
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Balto-Slavic_Swadesh_list
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Slavic_Swadesh_lists
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Baltic_Swadesh_lists
>>216467496
Routledge grammar books, it explains grammar, (just read it diagonally with one eye open since you already know portugues and there's not a whole heap of difference), it also has usual grammatical structures and set expressoins + chapters on how to say/ask/explain X
Should be a good start

>>216482638
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Polish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/French

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet

I like the concept of "lättläst" books. Graded readers tend to have pretty simplistic or outright cringe plots, but the results are much better if you take a pre-existing successful novel and just simplify it. Just finished the "lättläst" version of this and it was quite decent.

Actually had a fuck it moment and practiced half an hour on my speech on a fallow cooking video. Still a lot of work ahead, but damn i probably haven't had any practice in the mirror since my master defence.

>>216482968
yeah it's pretty cool. your experience will depend on the tutor though; the goal is to find a tutor you vibe with and enjoy talking to

>>216477185
The Chinese writing is infinitely better and more logical given that it was developed for the Chinese language. Japanese is retarded because they took the Chinese characters and just slapped it onto their language regardless of pronunciation. It very difficult to overstate how retarded the Japanese writing system is.

bruh

>>216486365
ya it sucks. I've gotten better at french conjugation with time, but I still struggle. I'm hoping just mass exposure will suffice. Way harder than german. Honestly French has a reputation as being a piece of cake for anglos but I think it is pretty hard. The structure in many ways and the shared vocab make it easier but the pronunciation and conjugation are pretty daunting imo.

>>216484064
keep xue'xi'ing that zhongwen, buddy

Spent hours gathering resources for a language I'll probably never learn instead of focusing on my main TL again

>>216484064
我也学习中文。

>>216487246
>>216484064
it's 学中文
学习中文 is incorrect, the verb 学习 is typically intransitive
if you say it then native speakers will laugh at you

I treid doing the visualization mnemonics shit some anons posted about on this thread. It didn't work as well as I was hoping so I quit using it after the first couple months. I shouldn'tve quit, I moved way slower during the six months I stopped. I learned like 3k words in the first 2 months and thought that was slow didn't realize that was actually really fast progress

>>216462549 (OP)
learning c++ right now
coming from a python background so it shouldn't be too hard but I'm still a bit scared.

>>216487770
i was a programmer and have internet addiction
at the time I did not know about the neurological effects of the internet nor did I know that being a programmer meant googling every 5 seconds. thus learning programming ruined my young life and now im fucked

random irrelevant story enjoy your C++

>>216487875
thanks for sharing
although this is how I make my living
I don't know anything else unfortunately, or maybe fortunately since it's the only work I tried so far that I've almost enjoyed.

>>216488155
>although this is how I make my living
Me too, I'm dependent on the internet to make money or else I'll go homeless. I have no employable offline skills.

You're probably fine though, a lot of people can use the internet without fully developing these problems, just like a lot of people can drink casually without becoming an alcoholic. I can't though. Just make sure to treat it with caution the same way you treat alcohol

it's true you know

I could have become a coder. I would have moved to Portugal or La Cote d'Azur and leisurely learned Portuguese and French in my spare time.

I'll give up latin. I'll give up re-learning spanish. I will ONLY study russian. That is all.

>>216488971
We full

>>216488971
Your country is on an upwards trajectory, we are collapsing

>>216489281
I don't feel that. Also, I'm a nostalgia-fag. I love France, which no longer exists or is coming to an end. Almost the entire world is in decline, and I don't believe Poland will be super successful either. I'm afraid that soon everything good will come to an end.

>>216488971
I'm a programmer, you probably dodged a bullet because this industry is collapsing.

>>216487770
C++ is cozy have fun

>>216484064
我开始2023年了后来放弃一年可是现在坚持中文,那是生后

>>216489477
It is coming to an end right now and has been ending for a while unfortunately. We can only focus on what we have, while we still have it.

I do a mix of code and 3d animation. If I could go back in time when I was 17 I would've just learned digital painting and made point-and-click adventure games in visionaire. No internet or googling or coding needed at any point in the development process, never even need to turn on the browser until the game is finished, just pure hermetic undistracted creative work but you can still make remote online income from it. sounds like bliss

>>216489527
Yeah, but being an digital nomad must be nice
>>216489773
stop doomerbombing me

>>216489874
Why not just download all of the documentation you need and disconnect your wifi?

>>216489204
Why Russian? It's even more dead than Latin.

>>216489527
Is it though? All i'm seeing is a lot of bloat being cut off. Then again our sector was never as overblown as yours over the pond to begin with.
t.sysop

>>216489876
Full remote jobs are vanishing by the week. I was never lucky enough to have one, I'm lucky to even be working at all in this job market. And very lucky to have a flexible hybrid arrangement. Many wagecucks in Leafistan have been ordered back to the office 5x a week.

>>216490160
Bloat, whatever you want to call it, is people's jobs. If a team goes from 10 to 5, that is bad for everybody. Even if you're super valuable, companies will treat you with less respect if they know they'd get 1000 applicants within 5 minutes of posting an opening.

Maybe it's not so bad across the pond, I dunno.

>>216489204
>re-learning
Do you forget a language if you don't use it or what?

>>216490722
General consensus is yes, but you can relearn it rapidly (so it's not gone, just dormant). I know a lot of people whose French has gotten quite bad, because they never use it for many years. But, if they brush up they'd pick it up again very quickly.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao2NHg-LUNo
>all the people in the comments gushing over his great english

Maybe we stress too much if this passes for impressive

>>216490582
If you're team can go from 10 to 5 without crashing out in the first week, then yes, i do believe it was bloated to begin with and cut was necessary. If you don't see that, fun times ahead if you find yourself in the seat of a PM.

>>216474522
Learn Occitan, the coolest of the romance languages

I feel bad for choosing to watch slop instead of something more educational in my TL

I feel bad for reading stuff in English instead of something in my TL

>>216491031
people are fired regardless of bloat, just to squeeze profit margins. More often than not, it means they'll have to cut corners to still reach their milestones, which is accepted by everyone but never talked about.
Of course this means a decrease in quality, but what are customers gonna do, go to the next company that also does the same?

>>216492143
I basically can't bring myself to watch anime anymore in english; it needs to be either subbed or dubbed in my TL. Fortunately, there is a lot of that for German.

>>216489735
yo bro. keep up the good work. the unfortunate reality is you wont be able to use it unless you seek out opportunities. but nonetheless, if you stay vigilant, you will have moments akin to enlightenment, trust me. just had one tonight. it makes it all worth it man, these little, seemingly meaningless things.

>>216492851
ok ill clarify and explain: i went to a restaurant and learned the waitress was from china and had a conversation with her. it was electric man.

>>216487636
no they wont. stop spreading nonsense insecurity to people bro. its been years of this shit.
i will never forget the 中国话 thing

Would you demonstrate for your right to rape?

https://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1818574456102457635

Any anons here learning Finnish or another Uralic language willing to share some tips ?

ive been doing AKATT, 24/7 korean content spam, while trying to only talk to koreans both online and irl. I have literally encountered virtually none of the gender war/feminazi stuff I hear about on the western internet. I'm pretty sure it's just a made up meme

>>216480990
i prefer german bread to french
its cheaper too

>>216492004
>>216492143

I have decided to ONLY play vidya or watch slop in my TL.

>>216491004
I think people appreciate the effort. Ohtani is very rich and doesn't have to learn English if he doesn't want to, but he put the time in to be able to say that reasonably clearly for a Japanese person. Language learning as an adult is hard as fuck, I didn't realize how much work all the ESLs had to put in just to be 'barely understandable sometimes'.

>>216471928
>Wonder who could be behind this...
I have plans when I get my nuclear scientist Iranian wife. They're trying to stop me.
>What resources are you primarily using?
Just this book and some Afghani/Iranian friends I occasionally contact.

>Browsing 4ch
>Same shits all the fucking time
>Translate it in TL
>Still can understand the meanings, even the words never learnt before.

Comprehensible input wasn't far away.

>>216495016
Lmao French 4chan is the funniest thing as a native francophone. Looks so dumb to me, so unserious

Is there a Spanish speaking 4chan

>>216495278
Hispachan

>>216462549 (OP)
Coombrain faggot

>>216495327
>Hispachan
looks dead

>>216495016
how off are the korean translations

>feet
I will now post in your thread

>>216493507
Finnish is really rule-heavy language. If you approach it like programming, you will find the grammar at lot easier to learn.
Spoken finnish is really different from written, many dialects and slang is really common.

If you want to be ahead of the curve, learn estonian. Easier to learn (I think), younger culture and they will move past finland economically in the coming years. Finland is stagnant

Anyone is familiar with the chinese language taught in Taiwan? Did they forgo zhuyin/bopomofo or something?

I downloaded the standard textbook over there, A Course in Contemporary Chinese, and it uses pinyin. There are a few zhuyin here and there, but feels like an afterthought. Not explained either. Very weird.

I was actually looking for a pronunciation guide, with a lot of minimal pairs exercise, IPA, etc.. And the most-recommended textbook basically just skips it lol outside of a few short comments.

>>216496430
So I checked the official Taiwanese government resources (free textbooks), and they do the same thing. https://taiwancenter.taiwan-world.net/material/basic

I think the 1st book actually expects a basic knowledge of zhuyin. Perhaps there's a pre-course if you study in taiwan from scratch. That Taiwanese government free books website has one. https://taiwancenter.taiwan-world.net/material/basic/content/54

>>216492177
We are talking IT, not Bosch. Don't know what you guys are perceiving, but everyone *here* and our partners in Belgium/Netherlands/France are bending backwards to find good people, as every junior is now an AI moron know who'll drop dead when it comes to fixing their prompt output. Also the delusion of
>in the Americas they'd pay me 100k, so you have too!
is still running wild.

>>216496485
>>216496430
Zhuyin is basically secondary to Pinyin now in Taiwan

>>216494605
Munenori Kawasaki has the best interviews
I can't tell if he does actually understand or if he is using the fact English is his second language to fuck with peopl.

>>216496586
Well, that's sad. I guess PRC agents have infiltrated too much.

>>216492886
Ok maybe they won't laugh but it's just not something they would ever say, which you would know if you talked to Chinese people frequently
I have never once had someone ask me 你为什么学习中文 (because it's always just 学)
You can check this by searching 学中文 and 学习中文 on Chinese social media like xhs. All the 学习中文 posts are written by foreigners lol.

Same with 中国话, it's either poetic/classical use or being used to indicate specifically SPOKEN Chinese (中国字和中国话)and it's just not used in daily conversation

Just because someone can understand you it doesn't mean you're correct. Sure you can understand an Indian at tim Hortons but would you say they're speaking correct English?

>copy text from a PDF file
>tons of errors introduced when pasting
it's all so tiresome

hows this been going? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2030_Bilingual_Nation

>>216497662
Use tesseract to do OCR

>>216494529
Based and same.
Some video games are only available in English, but if I want to play one of those then I must listen to something else in my TL while playing.

>>216495016
>restaurant de restauration rapide

>>216495406
I can catch the meanings but they are quite off from speaking korean. not so colloquial but very very formal.
The translations read like narration of some documentary.

If you ask me should you take them as TL input? Sure, it'll be better than nothing.

>>216495406
>>216498118
If i make one sentence less formal and coloquial.

>여기서 핀란드어나 다를 우랄어를 배우고 있는 분들 중 몇 가지 팁을 공유해주실 의향이 있으신가요?
It's bit mouth full. It can be shorten.

>여기서 핀란드어나 다른 우랄어를 배우는 사람 있으시면 팁 좀 주시겠어요?

or more informal
>여기 핀란드어나 다른 우랄어 배우는 사람 있으면 팁 좀.

Or even more informal
>지금 핀란드어 배우는 중인데 팁좀

It's easier to remember French using Italian cognates, even if I didn't know them earlier. Wtf

>>216489477
>Almost the entire world is in decline
Imagine making your opinion of the world through mass media and the basket weaving forum.

Go touch grass, seriously.

>>216498433
My point was that if France falls, Europe falls, the world falls, everyone falls, then there is no need to panic. France will not disappear, we also don't know the future and there is no point of in doomerposting and there is no point in not learning the language
I had quite the opposite intention to what you understood

>>216490160
Love the sound of it, simple as. Great literature. Still used as a lingua franca in some of the old soviet republics.

I made Koтлeти for me and my grandma yesterday shit was cash.

>>216499060
I hope despite everything learning french brings you joy, pole anon.

MIKEL HYPERPOLIGLOT