Thread 216594788

>discussions about low birth rates on normie sites

We need to improve cost of living and housing costs so we will be more likely to have children

>4chan discussion on birth rates

The reason birth rates are so low is because people don't have sex


Why are 4channlers so disconnected from the outside world ?

>>216594788 (OP)
Neither are correct actually

>>216594788 (OP)
it’s actually because of the Jews

>>216594799
Both are correct, the loneliness/atomization epidemic is only getting worse and people are getting their life squeezed out of them by taxes and low wages

>>216594788 (OP)
your post is not about brazil

nothing to do with the psychological warfare imposed on us by the urban environment separation from a tribe for most of the day and lack of non-screen entertainment?

>>216594788 (OP)
fun fact: the most closely related macro trend to birth rates isnt wealth, it isnt cost of living, it isnt access to housing, it isnt healthcare quality, and it isnt religiosity
it is education levels of women (closely followed by labor participation rates of women)

the only way you return to replacement rate fertility in the first world is to roll back womens rights which will never happen. a declining population is just a feature of highly developed nations. its eventually going to happen everywhere on the planet

>>216594788 (OP)
the group with the long noses have been using things like outsourcing, immigration and fake jewish daycare women jobs to keep cost of living high and wages low which prevents people from being able to afford kids and also because dating apps are designed to be human misery machines designed to create harems and women are wasting their time at fake jewish daycare jobs men are having less sex

>>216595272
Ultra-orthodox women are the most likely to work a day job in those communities and they still pump out a dozen children thoughybeit

>>216595272
>its eventually going to happen everywhere on the planet
Are you assuming places like pakistan and congo will bdcome devolped?

>>216595272
women working should have halved the work week for both men and women but instead we're all working more than ever and the jews are still trying to replace us all with the cheapest option

>>216594788 (OP)
All it takes for normies is 5 minutes on Google to see that the countries with the most childcare benefits and women’s rights have the lowest birth rates. But they’ll pretend to not see the connection.

>>216595322
they do house work where they can still tend to kids during the work
>>216595272
>>216595329
Pakistan can become developed. it's actually not shitty geographically, they just need to hope islam and geography out does their indian genes.
Congo is legit FUCKED because the congo river isn't navigable unless they fix the falls near the end

>>216594788 (OP)
People had more kids under war times than today. Anyone that believes in the first one is a total zogbot

In the past, children were an investment because they could take care of you in your old age

Now people just cooomsoom and not think about the future. It seems that all of your life's problems can be "answered" by coomsooming shit. With instant gratification like that, who gives a shit about questions like, "Oh I want to create a human who is half me and will possibly live out my unfulfilled dreams when I am gone"

The only correct answer is that women are naturally hedonistic whores who don't want to have to settle down. This is literally it.
>muh lack of affordable housing
Every indian living in a brick box with no sanitation shits out 5 children minimum. African
>muh lack of good job opportunities
You know who fucks the most in western countries? That's right, poor meth heads in dying towns in and migrants living on welfare.
The answer is simply that women do not have children unless they have to. Everything else is cope. Every single measurable statistic shows that the more educated a person is the less likely they are to have children. When they do have children it's either because of social pressure or because they can't think of anything else to do with their lives. As soon as something better presents itself most will jump ship.

This applies to men to a certain extent too to be fair. Like, does anyone genuinely believe James here thinks to himself "aw I wanna have kids but uuhhhh the cost of living is too high aaahhh!". No, 100% chance he'd rather eat goyslop and play nintendo games. If people genuinely want to have children they will, regardless of their circumstances. If they feel like they have to they will, even if they're illiterate sewer cleaners.

>>216595336
>>216595272
something I find funny as fuck is I was on some normie site like twitter or reddit which I use for amateur porn because onlyfans sluts will post there nudes there and I saw something where roasties were fucking shocked that guys could not give a single fuck about what a woman's job was other than not wanting to date whores/whore adjacent jobs. Like some roastie was seething because she had some big official title and muh degrees and she said guys were hitting on a barista over her because why would anyone give a shit about a women's job or education and other roasties were also shocked about this

>>216595539
>>muh lack of affordable housing
>Every indian living in a brick box with no sanitation shits out 5 children minimum
and their housing is cheap as fuck since they don't have to pay a premium to live in an all white town

>>216595622
Women are so low IQ it hurts

>>216595622
If you go to Reddit you'll find the "men" there will type out shit like
>If I want to date a college student instead of a 35 year old woman? Heck no it would be soooo boring! Yes for me it is all about having a mature relationship, deep conversations and independence.

Peoplie lie about the blunt nature of sex and relationships all the time. We are just animals on the inside and it really shows when it comes to dating.

>>216595272
You forgot to add education levels of men also affect it, but I doubt you'd suggest rolling back education opportunities for men

>>216595797
Usually the chud dream is women being barred from higher level education while 50% of men are forced to become tradies

>>216595823
Trade school is still education

>>216595856
Yes and women are still allowed (forced) to get jobs like nurses in the ethnostate, just not diversity communication HR business partner

>>216595856
A young man will learn way more in trade school than sitting in a chair listening to some foid yap for hours.

>>216595919
You will learn to be up and running at age 20 while your peers are having the best time of their live in university doing fuck-all then still being awarded with a better job than you afterwards.

>>216594788 (OP)
What is he comparing? He's in school 8+ YEARS LONGER than his granddad. Of course he's bunking, he's not making money. If he entered the army with his bachelor's, he could be an officer and own a home too. Fucking retard

>>216595823
>>216595856
trades are at least fucking doing something. it's gay they get paid like ass compared to doing fake spreadsheet bullshit or being jewish and fake bullshit made up numbers from one place to another place

>>216595940
I am incel. I'm not having a good time in college. But I do make 30 bucks an hour without a degree whilst some codemonkey BAs are unemployed

>>216595955
apparently officer school requirements are really steep or else I woulda considered that

>>216595919
>>216595887
And what the fuck does that have to do with fertility, y'all just be saying anything. If you want more white people make everyone retarded working on a farm again

>>216595967
Trades are the good goys of our society. They're the ones working on friday evening because someone's piping was broken.
Becky from HR clocked out by 12:00 - given she works on friday in the first place.

>>216595984
Women want a guy with bigger salary when the reality is that in some places women outearn men

>>216595978
I got my codemonkey BS (I laugh when people call it BSc because they don't want to call it a BS) and still make $30/hr despite not getting a tech job because I'm just doing something nobody else wants to do (emergency comms)

>>216596011
My best friend's gf outearns him and you have no idea how vicious this makes them.

>>216595272
i never understood why this UN report was published
its like they want to curb african births

>>216596027
That sucks. I got my econ degree but got into tech back in 2018 when the jobs were handed out like candy. I had other friends that procrastinated in school (doing a master's or phd) and they can't find work today.

>>216596011
>in some places
pretty sure women out earn men if you don't include boomers. Like due to fake jewish daycare, DEI and just dudes wanting to be able to fuck their subordinates women under like 40 earn more on average than men under 40

>>216596134
>dudes wanting to be able to fuck their subordinates women under like 40 earn more on average than men under 40
How common is this really

>>216596166
I work for a techcel company and there is only 1 attractive foid in the entire company (our communications consultant) and she's always accompanied by some sort of mid-level manager with a wife + kids at home.

>>216596166
where else are you going to meet chicks? guys absolutely fuck their secretaries. this shit's been going on for so long even back in 2008 they had the waitress financial index which was basically the hotter the waitress the worse the economy because in a good economy companies would hire hot women just to be eyecandy/to fuck but then when the economy got bad they were among the first to get fired and would go work as waitresses because hot women would get paid a lot in tips. even back in 2008 young women made more than men in most cities. men only start out earning women in similar jobs when you get to the ages where women have missed time for childbirth and child care

>>216595797
ya if you look at these older model societies sure the women have 0 rights and basically are socially killed with thier person ceasing to exist once the reach womanhood but its not much different for the men.
honestly people are pretty simple, unless they have to do something they wont do it. for many years the system was on rails with 0 alternative. either you participate with immense social pressure or die. people are like water and you will never fix an issue by proposing incentives or even more laudable a moral movement

>>216594788 (OP)
vgh..... the lavish living conditions of blackest niggers on the planet............

>>216596392
they are agrarian countries where having children is more of a benefit than a cost

they're also so shitty that everybody there is optimistic that their future will be better

>>216594799
this. the reason is the spread of american individualism and the triumph of feminism around the world

I wonder if I can summarise the sentiments of the average anti-natalist in one paragraph:

My job sucks, my life sucks, why do I want to have a kid with a woman who is not even in my top 20 picks as desirable spouses? This child will probably end up getting a cucky job like mine serving coffee to rich fuckers with real careers. Fuck that, if you want a wagie, go import a thrid worlder. Fuck society, fuck this country. I will now play vidya in my room to cope with all this reality

>>216596430
this just proves that improving living conditions actually rapes the birthrate since sane people would rather go to the club or the movies than take care of 11 kids

>>216596554
going to the club or movies takes very little time and money in comparison and most people don't want to crank out 11 children who will have to fend for themselves, they want their child to live a better life than they lived

in polling, most people say they still want 2-3 children. I think the enemy of the birth rates is the goals of industrial capitalism, not the standard of living. You might have a very socially accommodating job doing some service task remotely until your employer realizes they could get the same thing for 1/10 of the same cost at a loss of quality that they're willing to accept for the price, and just like that it's all gone and you're back to square 1. Everybody is fully aware that they're living like this and it makes it hard to plan for a family that you don't stress and struggle to make work.

>>216595999
Which makes no sense why we're paid peanuts over fake jobs.

>>216594788 (OP)
Normiefags are too stubborn to admit that this meme is unironically true

>>216596928
I think bullshit jobs were invented as a replacement for royalty in a lot of the world. Normal people have a sense that they can achieve those positions but in reality they're closed off for anybody not in the immediate sphere of those powerful people no matter what kind of skills or talent you have.

>>216594788 (OP)
Perhaps the Jews are to blame? Wherever they take overt the media and finance and government they thing ruin to the native populations.

>>216594788 (OP)
>The reason birth rates are so low is because people don't have sex
Most channers are incels so they think that people aren't having kids because they're not having sex. Which is some part of it but it's definitely not the main reason.

>>216596950
The point of the argument with normies is whether we are in the good times or the bad times

>>216596928
>>216597023
it's unironically jewish daycare

>>216595272
This. Normgroids are too retarded and two faced to ever discuss about the woman question. The benefit is that they may start admitting it once the ngubus, ahmeds and pakis start taking over. Until then, we're going to have useless deflecting conversations like OP

>>216597111
they themselves will freely admit that women are all having sex even if they aren't

>>216595272
>isnt wealth
>it is education levels of women (closely followed by labor participation rates of women)
pick one laddie

>>216597140
It's common sense that firstie and secondie countries are in the good times, no war, no hunger, etc
Yes the job market sucks but you won't starve to death, it's only when shit is actually bad that people will start having babies again at this point

>>216595797
Thats because women hate high IQ men. High IQ men have the least sex

>>216597389
ted kaczynski said the times when his survival was least certain were the happiest moments of his life

think about it, people like achievable goals

“Cost of living” also includes the monetization of things that used to be separate from the formal economy. Child and eldercare cost absurd amounts of money, but they used to fall under the unpaid homemaker’s duties. There’s an economy of scale there, because it’s more efficient to cook for 8 people than 3. This is true even for single people; you simply can’t by street food in firstie countries, even though it would be cheaper overall for single people to not cook and just buy from a local vendor.

On the flip side, clothes used to be made entirely at home, which was very slow and inefficient. Now you can buy tons of high quality clothes at incredibly cheap prices.

>>216597568
He was also a bitch that surrendered to the police while achieving no political goals. Why do you worship this loser?

>>216594788 (OP)
somehow couples with houses don't have 8 kids but once the housing question is solved for them, they simply come up with other reasons to excuse not having kids, or they bluntly admit that they don't want them

>>216595272
> its eventually going to happen everywhere on the planet
lmao no.

>>216595272
TRVE

>>216594788 (OP)
I think the real reason is there isnt much social status gain from being a mother. If more female celebrities were all mothers youd best believe women would be pumping out babies or whatever

>>216598044
Explain iran. No femoid rights but no babies

>>216595217
>lack of non-screen entertainment?
have you tried, like, going outside?

the problem is politicians

>>216598136
Theres literally nothing to do outside

>>216594788 (OP)
>muh housing costs
build more houses and stop importing millions of immigrants

>>216598154
you're a moron

>>216598205
Nah you are just not used to the lift of a sub 5 incel, they are not wanted no matter where they go.

>>216598031
Africa is the only continent left
even India and south America are dipping below replacement level
its inevitable the extinction of the old human race for the new model of where genesis is hyjacked by capitol and the system of thermodynamic acceleration is put into mach 4 where the baton race of heat death is handed over to a nucelar fussion driven hell rocket with no human passenger no pilot no target and bombs enough for every molecule in the entire universe.

>>216597925
>surrendered to the police while achieving no political goals
does that mean he was wrong? This way of life we're all subject to is poison and most people are well aware of it.

>>216598242
I've been saying that for years

>>216598237
ya they don't understand
like when is the last time they have had strangers go up to them and say "what the fuck" to thier face.
or have a co-worker pull them aside and say "you look terrible"
or have kids go up and throw rocks at you as you walk by
they wont get it

>>216598205
I do go outside for incelhikes incelwalks incelswimming incelshopping and it has never gotten me laid. Going outside is pointless for incelibacy

>>216598310
your obsession with getting laid is what's preventing you from getting laid.

>>216598280
its inevitable since humans could not solve teleology or create a better teleology then "reproduce"
once the material environment for the older system has been removed the human compulsion to base everything on subjectivity and circumstance rapidly replaces the foundational model of self persistence via preproduction for the new self persistence of whatever they believe if substantiated through increase. when the new magic increase is numerical value assigned to nothing then they will engineer a teleology focused on that churning out systems to make new systems cutting of their limbs to socket in new machines, removing senses and any other means of survival until the human adult fetus is plugged into a new womb which dissolved them into a pulpy lifeless matter that transmutes electricity into heat.

>>216598366
I don't even have a sex drive anymore because im a 32 year old unccel. What's preventing me from finding a relationship is my looka simple as

its really not that deep
the reason for low birth rates is because of the internet and to be more specific, social media

save this and come back when I am proven right

>>216598714
indians are never right about anything

>>216598786
wanna bet?

>>216597316
No, the two are distinct. A country can be poor, but still have equal women's rights. The best example of this is Eastern European countries like Moldova which are impoverished shitholes, but still have extremely low birth rates precisely because women there have high levels of education and labor participation (probably a relic of gommunism in the case of Moldova).

>>216596463
It's crazy how
>Late stage capitalism
>American individualism
etc
All show up as bogeymen exactly where authoritarian socialism with mandatory cultural replacement HAPPENS BY CHANCE to have taken root just before the given problem started!

>>216598940
>socialism is when you cant afford a house

>>216594788 (OP)
It's actually more complicated. Life was shit for gramps but he at least believed his children would have a better future than he did.

No one wants to raise children in worse conditions than the ones they grew up in.

That's literally it.

>>216594788 (OP)
Japs have ONE YEAR OFF WORK FULLY PAID!!!! if they have a kid, yet have no kids.

Swedes (native) can get insane benefits if they have kids, making it fincially viable, yet they have no kids.

Rich folks don't have 10 billion kids, yet money isn't an issue to them.

You're all insane and mentally ill. Never listen to common folks about sensible issues like that. It's like asking women what they want in a man.

Any birth rate discussion is normie as fuck. Original internet culture wasn't political shit up the ass.

>>216599056
Then what is the source of the problem sweetheart

>>216594788 (OP)
thats not true only thirdies dont have kids

>>216594788 (OP)
James is coping and giving excuses. Brown people live in squalor and have tons of kids. It's all about ypipo not having sex. Everything else is bad rationalization.