Thread 216611875

Is Christianity a Jewish religion?

>>216611875 (OP)
Paganism lost

is my dick 17.4cm?

>>216611875 (OP)
Pretty sure it originated from Alexandria.

>>216611875 (OP)
Jesus was a Semitic rabbi. I don't think he would support modern Israel or Jews. In fact, he didn't support them back then.

I don't have a problem with Christianity. I think it's better than being one of those stick-it-to the Christians Atheists types. To be spiritually rich is to connect to your ancestors and embrace your own culture, not the Romanized teachings of a Near Eastern rabbi.

>>216612390
Talmudic Judaism didn't exist until after Herod's temple fell and only centuries after even that. Jesus being a rabbi is about as dumb as saying Christianity has no Jewish influence at all.

>>216611875 (OP)
Christianity and Judaism can be considered as two sects of a single religion which divided over the question of the identity of Jesus Christ.

>>216611875 (OP)
no

Judaism as it exists today quite literally defines itself as a rejection of Christianity, the jews absolutely HATE Christ and Christians, to claim that Christ was a jew is an aporia because that'd mean that he is what rejects him

on top of that the notion that jews somehow created Christianity to enslave the goyim is historically absurd as jews were always kept under tight control when Christianity was at its strongest and healthiest, once people started apostatizing and atheism became common jews became dominant

tl;dr paganism lost

>>216611875 (OP)
Well yeah the Trinity is a made up Roman heresy likely based on Hindu aspects

>>216612420
Rabbi simply means teacher of Jewish law. The torah, Masoretic Texts, and other traditions existed during Jesus' time on Earth. This means that Jesus could be considered a rabbi considering he was well aware and versed in Jewish law.

>>216611875 (OP)
its greeks who were heebaboos if that makes sense
so its very pagan greek in cosmology but very jew loving because they where tired of the pagan stuff and by putting a jewish coat of paint on it they calmed down with the self hate
they where also very very desperate for ANY outside shit like they where obsessed with larping as egyptian or persian magi or jews hell they even loved the Indians calling thier naked gurus "gymnosophists"

>>216612575
Almost all modern Jews observe the Talmud which decides their law. Whatever Jewish law was prior to this was completely alien to modern Jews. They're similar to Muslims in their belief that the bible isn't sufficient for law on its own. I don't know what Jews were like prior to this, but apparently they could proselytize and name Messiahs, many of which they had disputes over.

>>216612575
>>216612420
>>216612390
You speak as if you haven't read even the first ten chapters of Matthew where Jesus is said to go about and teach the Law but then gives the Sermon on the Mount which "astonishes" (ie shocks) the Jews because he "speaks with authority" (ie as the Lord Himself) on very radical things rather than simply recites the Law as rabbis (teachers) did then and do now
He even says within those first pages that he has come to fulfill the Law and that everyone must still hold it alongside his New Covenant
This is quite literally the most basic aspect of Christianity and it's pathetic seeing people argue about whether Jesus was Jewish as if it were some kind of shameful gotcha moment

>>216612499
You're looking at this from a political lens. Separating Europeans from their ancestral roots certainly benefits their enemies. Saying Europeans controlled Jews while being Christian doesn't mean Christianity isn't a Jewish religion.

Jews are known for oppressing their own people for the greater good, it's one of their characteristic traits and it can be seen in other Jewish inventions such as socialism and communism.

>>216612499
Jews were and are those that descended from Abraham and his progeny, of which Jesus was one of them
It is that simple
He also said that He came to save everyone, especially the gentiles and sinners

>>216612703
I never claimed it was a gotcha moment. I said I don't have a problem with Christianity. Who even cares if it's a Jewish religion for the sake of it? What are the effects of it?

Christianity is probably better than empty atheism, but not better than the original ancestor religions. Christianity wasn't adopted because it's so compelling and cool, it allowed for trade with the rich Mediterranean countries.

itt goiym share their worthless opinions about judaism and what jews supposedly believe in even tho they know nothing about it
you never see that with jews and christianity/islam because jews don't base their religion on others' work duh

>>216611875 (OP)
Christianity is in a lot of ways similar to Karaite or Old Testament Only Judaism.
The modern religion of Judaism is completely different. It is centered around the Talmud. Which is basically a rejection of the Old Testament.
So Christianity is in many ways the opposite of modern Judaism.

>>216612703
I've read the sermon and it couldn't be the same laws Jews know today because the Talmud didn't exist. Almost every type of Jew today observes the Talmud and also part of Rabbinic Judaism when it was developed centuries after Christ demands that Jews are no longer permitted to proselytize. So in function it's not the same laws and likely doesn't resemble modern Judaism at all apart from a few rituals. They don't even read their books in Aramaic they read it in some Hebrew conlang.

>>216612770
>Jews were and are those that descended from Abraham and his progeny, of which Jesus was one of them
It is that simple

That doesn't make any sense. Are you speaking from a religious or historical perspective? If it's religious than Jesus certainly wasn't a decedent of Abraham. If it's historical we have no way of knowing at all where he comes from (other than a general geographical area and a few artifacts).

>>216611906
Don't be modest, anon.

>>216612792
Pretty much this.

>>216611875 (OP)
christians are literally a jewish splinter group

>>216612836
Jesus did talk in very arcane terms. He said his order was after the one of Melchizedek, the guy that Abraham paid taxes to.

>>216612792
>even tho they know nothing about it
We had translated copies of the same holy books. Books that have been studied for 2000 years.

Jesus was a jew who hated gentiles who only wanted jewish followers. Making Christianity a religion for gentiles was fanfic garbage invented by Paul.

>>216612981
That's like saying you know what it's like to be Palestinian because we have access to their holy books. Have you studied among them, lived among them, anon?

>>216612792
>what jews supposedly believe in
Money?

>>216613015
I had a Jewish classmate at my Catholic school.

always the most retarded threads
bunch of retards arguing about things they dont have the faintest understanding of

Accepting any form of universalist dogma is a form of suicide. Not every belief, not every structure of organization will work for every group. Focus on what's best for yourself. Are Christians your friends? Are Jews?

Anon, why do you feel alone?

>>216613076
kys retard

early Christianity was much more comfortable appealing to pagans. by the time of Constantine, paganism was defunct, and there was no longer any need to appeal to those elements. Thus, any theology that gave any credence to pagan elements was suppressed or quietly swept under the rug, but if you look into it you will find very bizarre possibilities on how we could see Christian doctrines. For example, the talking snake of Eden had not been identified with Satan. In Christian circles he was, but this teaching is either Moses or Pherecydes of Syros. Many early Christian arguments rely on the pseudo-historical idea that all Greek philosophers and oracles learned of Moses in Egypt, and thus that retroactively explains any ideas Greeks had that sound good as they are just from Moses. Pherecydes of Syros is probably not the source origin on an evil snake, obviously, but Christians were legitimately worried that his evil Ophione was actually where this whole snake hubbub was about. Josephus, Clement and others had to repeat over and over that the pagan oracles were wrong and contradictory, the philosophers were wrong and contradictory but also simultaneously that they had learned from Moses through Egypt and that they also were maybe secretly Christians hiding from the evil former pagan tyrannies and also simultaneously they were publicly revealing Christian oracles like mentioning Adam and Jesus hundreds of years ago. It may seem ludicrous to us now that they would say those things, like say pagan mythological figures like Orpheus were real but went to Egypt, but who was gonna fact check it? No one; it was as part of the mythology of the 1st and 2nd century as Ophione was or the Eden snake only later when it seemed obviously violation of christian theology on revealed truth or prophecy was it swept under as apocrypha. heads I win, tails you lose.

>>216611875 (OP)
Yes

>>216613099
no id much rather post in this thread everything ive learned about religion from pol and vibes

>>216613144
Why the fixation on Egypt? Was this Ptolemy's design?

>>216613180
I haven't been on /pol/ in literally something like 10 years. I never posted either.

My vibes will fuck up whatever gay nerd books you read. Like I said, kys.

>>216612390
>I don't think he would support modern Israel or Jews.
I'm honestly curious if he'd see Ashkenazim (from his perspective a bunch of Nordic barbarians larping as his kin) or Palestinian Christians (visibly his blood relatives but practicing a sect of Judaism entirely foreign to him) as his "people" so to speak.
His encounter with the Syrio-Phoenecian implies the historical version of him was at least a little bit racist.

>>216613144
A lot of things can be confused because of the number of Jews who were interacting with Phoenicians over a period of centuries before the birth of Christ. By the time Jesus was born there were already Jewish communities in every major port city of the Mediterranean basin.

>>216612792
>because jews don't base their religion on others' work duh
Hellenism, Mesopotamian mythology and Zoroastrianism formed a lot of what you know as Judaism.

>>216612781
>Christianity wasn't adopted because it's so compelling
It is compelling and hijacks crucial archetypes in the collective unconscious to spread itself.

>>216613236
must have got it from your horoscope then, you are spiritually a woman

>>216613279
I think he would curse them.

Mark 11:12–14, 20–21 (NRSV)

12 On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry.
13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see whether perhaps he would find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.
14 He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it.

20 In the morning as they passed by, they saw the fig tree withered away to its roots.
21 Then Peter remembered and said to him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree that you cursed has withered.”

"The fig tree often symbolizes Israel in biblical imagery (see Hosea 9:10, Jeremiah 8:13, and Micah 7:1).
By cursing the tree that bore no fruit, Jesus symbolically condemned spiritual barrenness—a lack of true faith and righteousness despite outward religious appearance."

>>216613354
Both of them or just Israel?
Honestly, the ethnicity he belonged doesn't really exist anymore per se. Real Hebrews are extinct, just left with a lot of descendant ethnicities that claim to be them.

>>216613336
le women de horoscope lelelel

>>216613381
I suppose he would curse those who are spiritually barren, but claim to be righteous. I'm not really sure. This isn't my area of study.

>>216613231
Greeks had a pretty early affinity with Egypt, as there was a permanent Greek settlement in Egypt under the pharaoh Amasis, specifically Naucratis. In Greek xenia (basically ritualized Greek friendship marriage), they could adopt other cultures' shared naming conventions and be ritually bound as allies across ethnic groups, and the obsession with Egypt only skyrocketed once the conquest was completed under Alexander. The level to which Egyptian practices seeped into Greek and later Roman culture is so deep that I would argue it basically mirrors and prefixes the later and equal obsession with jews. The religion around Isis and the entire political ousting of Cleopatra to boot. Conceptions of history back then were pretty god-awful (think the 10,000 not even recognizing Nineveh and probably Kalhu/Nimrud, massive capitals reduced to mysterious mounds in just a century), but they knew Egypt was pretty old, so they gave them some credence, attributing them as the source of knowledge before they decided to actually attribute it to Moses

>>216613485
From what I've read Isis, Iah, and Osiris were at least tangentially related. Iah (also known as Jah) in particular would have been related to the Jewish god early on. It's the cultural aspect of what was mostly a backwater in history compared to the likes of Persia, the Hittites, or the Assyrians. The Hittites in particular had a monopoly on iron while Egypt was using meteoric iron until around 1400 BC. The Greeks mostly seemed to come out of nowhere and their script is based on the Phoenician script, Egypt is such an odd choice for them to fixate on, I don't see why it would be more relevant than say Babylon.

>>216611875 (OP)
Yes

>>216611875 (OP)
He's intentionally lying about what Paul wrote in his letters

>>216611875 (OP)
no its some europoor thing

>>216612792
You can be Jewish Muslim, Buddhist or even Atheist Jew
But it's impossible to be a Jewish Christian

>>216612792
The goysplaining is hilarious. I'm enjoying the rent free apartment in their minds.

>>216616257
Wasn't Paul a Jewish Christian?

>>216616537
Everyone lives rent free in my mind because I'm not a rent-seeking Jew. Landlords get the rope.