Thread 216658764

The reason dey relentlessly attack this online(overratings folded over ×10 thousands time lol lol) is because they don't have equivalent of this
All of we national culture and history is encapsulated here. They feel intense resentment and jealousy that they lack such a heritage symbolizing they civilization, nation and people.

Shit sword that would be useless in Europe

>>216658781
only squinty eyes monkeys who use paper (PAPER!) as armour would think it
s good

>>216658764 (OP)
fake engrish is obvious

it was a relatively good sword considering the limited resources nips had to work with, but it got memed to heaven and back by weebs and glorified to a mythical status it doesn't deserve. no you won't slice gun barrels you fucking retards. and European, indian, Mena, swords at the time were objectively better by any metric you can imagine

>>216658764 (OP)
Kriegmesser for common soldiers mogs katana in strength, utility, and beauty.
Dont get me started on rapier and yatagan.

>>216658764 (OP)
who's "they"?
I'd prefer a saber, various militaries around the world still use it on parades for a reason
the history of melee weapons pretty much peaked and ended with sabers

>>216658764 (OP)
your heritage now is a larp piece owned by fat neckbeards and anime trannies. lmao.

>>216659448
>who's "they"?
koreans

>>216659375
>Kriegsmesser
>literally "war knife"
good to know germs were equally autistic half a millenium ago
anyways why would jerk off to a random 16th century weapon when it naturally is mogged by any high quality weapon from following centuries, as they replaced it?

>>216659448
i'd say rapiers/epees. and i'd much rather prefer a longsword over a weeb fantasy, pic related

>>216659448
>who's "they"?

>>216659596
pretty sure it was legally not considered to be a sword, just a big knife. medieval loopholes if you will

also, as soon as japan was exposed to anything more modern than a milling stone by western powers, they instantly threw away the GRORIUS NIHONTO and adopted western sabers, along with much more practical western uniforms. they only reverted back to using katanas as dress swords when swords as a whole became obsolete and had no practical use in the field, but when they still used swords in actual combat, guess what? nips used european style sabers, because they undestood that those were objectively better weapons.
now you may start coping and seething.

>>216659597
Sabers were still in actual use in the 20th century. Many bolsheviks were slain by sabers. I'm pretty sure nobody used rapiers at that point. If you really wanna stab shit you have lances for that (also still in use in the 20th century).

>>216659653
very talmudic of germs to partake in such shenanigans

>>216659790
and modern fencing is done with epees. le reach and stab face. gl with your saber when your chest is poked full of holes. saber vs rapier/epee idk for sure, anyway reach is usually a massive advantage. unless you want to cut with an extra breathing hole or two. apparently better on horseback but i suppose we're talking about a melee

>saar this sword is better than that sword
>noooo you bloody bich
you do know that swords were always a sidearm, right?

>>216659975
>apparently better on horseback but i suppose we're talking about a melee
the only use of melee weapons in the previous century before they got phased out completely was indeed on horseback, as God and our steppechad forefathers intended
cavalry charges are forever glorious and infantry is gay

>>216659596
>>216659941
>enter random thread
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Don't you ever get tired of this?

>>216660232
Not at all. In fact, I thrive in [_][_][_], I live for it. I'm not sure what I'll do once you two are gone, because making threads only about Poland might get a bit dull after a while. I guess I will have to find someone else to live in my head rent-free.

>>216660144
>cavalry charges are forever gloriou-
-ACK!

>>216658781
>>216659375
>>216658817
The buttblasted sexpats have arrived in the thread

>>216660412
kek
l had to double check you weren't an indog doing a funny

>>216658764 (OP)
They are objectively terrible though. The iron found in Japan is incredibly low quality, which is why you had fold it so many times.

>>216660565
I don't think they're terrible, just woefully overdone for what they were actually used for. The sword wasn't designed for armor, it was primarily used on naked peasants, yet they took their scarce iron resources and made actually decently made steel (albeit using primitive methods) for an implement that didn't even need that quality of steel. Iron anything was rare in Japan they used wood for almost everything, even cheap iron daggers were hoarded. They had plenty of poor quality iron they just insisted on using clay furnaces and required such an insane amount of iron sand to get even half-decent steel.

>>216660889
And look what we have now
thanks to our ancestral glorious craftman ship and love for tools
Every bois on this world admire my country because of that

>>216658764 (OP)
The katana is a decent cutting weapon but not very versatile and also lacks defensive capabilities because of no guard.
Some attacks on it nowadays might be an overreaction after it was massively overhyped by weebs since it's still a decent but very specialized weapon.
But it's just not remotely strictly better than European swords.

>>216658764 (OP)
Falchion

For me?
It's a smooth mace, a high protein diet, and a very good reason to be angry with my enemies.

>>216658764 (OP)
I thought English literacy was better than this in Japan

>>216662646
pretty simple in design actually. i could write an entire paper about bows but tl;dr recurve bows are inherently better. the longbow is the english version of the katana. no, it won't pierce a breastplate you idiot. harrasing fire and mud yes but actually killing an armoured knight, press X for doubt

>>216660565
Debunked myth many times

The issue with Japanese steel didnt arise before the 20th century when they were building the fucking biggest ship of the world

Before that they were major swords and armor exporters

>>216658764 (OP)
*mogs and kills every Jap*

>>216663753
this is what weebs actually believe. their swords bent and chipped all over the place (you can even see it in their own iconogrphafie), and the portoguese were banned to bring their rapiers because nips were getting killed all over the place in duels and that's unfalr :c:c:c
again, try to slice me in half with your chest full of holes. better you than me

>>216664265
oh and bonus points for a main gauche

>>216664265
>Edo Japan
>Armor
>Major exporter of anything
I think he's baiting.

>>216664265
reddit memes reader

Spanish monks highly praised japanese steel when they were evangelising there
>>216664386
It's true, even in Thailand they bought their swords

>>216664386
could be OP trying to keep his thread alive, Japanese-related threads have some of the most blatant VPN use for some reason

>>216658764 (OP)
Japs didn't really care either until AFTER the Meiji Restoration. The cult of "bushido" and its attendant katana fetish were created whole cloth by fascist right wing Jap extremists to enforce obeduence to the national government and to militarize Japan in the modern era. Shogun era Japs preferred the bow and muskets and were definitely not honorabu. Your most celebrated historical figure Oda Nobunaga was specifically a warcriminal.

>>216666294
unironically this, katana and bushido obsession comes after meiji to militarize the government and peoples

>>216658781
>would be useless in Europe

good thing the japs only used it in Asia then

>>216664265
western swords also bent and chipped all the time, most iron wasnt high quality, most steel would just have been classified as iron today.
Like legendary swords were just swords that could stand up over time, like swords that wouldn't be pounded into scrap by just hitting them on some rocks.

>>216666294
I disagree with this, bushido, (however you define it, I define it as primarily a philosophy obsessed with getting you in a state of constant mortality salience and self-sacrifice, the other aspects like sincerity aren't as unique to bushido as bushido basically gets that from confucianism) had existed for basically the entirety of Japanese history. People loved the stories of Kusunoki Masashige and Minamoto no Yoshitsune far before fascism existed.

As for your point about katana obsession you may be right about that though however I don't get what you mean that it was to enforce obedience to the national government after the Meiji restoration as Meiji outlawed samurai carrying the katana and that's one of the thing which disgruntled people like Saigo Takamori. I'd say the showa period would make more sense with what you're saying and mystifying the katana as a symbol of the samurai and producing them for their troops if they didn't have a family katana to bring into battle as many samurai descendants in the second world war didn't need the government produced ones, they used their ancestor's sword

>>216663679
But the Japanese have even longer longbow Japan just tried harder with weapons

>>216658781
Bodied that freak (much like how rapier + cloak bodied katana sissies)

>>216658781
Katana is world renowned as being the best sword ever created

>>216667116
>eople loved the stories of Kusunoki Masashige and Minamoto no Yoshitsune
Yes and for the readers here, that's in the 14th century

Can you name military heroes from your country that were active in the 14th century?

>>216658781
/thread

>>216658781
>>216658817
>>216659290
>>216659448
>>216659531
Japan won the steel industry. Nippon Steel beats its rivals in earnings, this is all because Japan produces more added-value special steel. Same goes for ancient times, Katana much superior. Some things just never change.

>>216658764 (OP)
>>216661071
Who's "we", Staff Sgt. Tyrone LeShawn Johnson Tyson Sánchez?

>>216659597
>>216659646
>>216660119
>>216660565
>>216661362
Lexus is known as the most reliable car on earth, and it uses 2.0GPa-grade hot-stamped high-tensile steel for the B-pillar, achieving both weight reduction and collision safety. Its design philosophy has similarities with the blade pattern of Japanese swords. It will help you understand why Katana was superior to European knight swords.

Left: European knight swords
Right: Japanese samurai swords

I'll give him credit, he's committed to the seething netouyo larp. Probably one of the most active posters these days

>>216669522
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered invading Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai. So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen.

>>216658764 (OP)
If I was a Japanese feudal lord I would instruct my blacksmiths to make my katanas like this

>>216668935
And 12th century for Yoshitsune

Also not nope, what about for you? Joan of Arc is cool but that'd be 15th century

>>216669984
Jeanne d'arc is cool but Du Guesclin is totally forgotten nowadays when he was the hero beloved by all maidens who woved garments to pay for his release from english jails

A boomerang is tougher than this weeb shit

>>216670085
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single Katana to produce the finest blades known to mankind. Anything a European longsword can cut through, a Katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a Katana could easily bisect a Knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

>>216670052
I'll look into him

>>216658764 (OP)
>they don't have equivalent of this
All of we national culture and history is encapsulated here. They feel intense resentment and jealousy that they lack such a heritage symbolizing they civilization, nation and people.
WRONG

>>216658764 (OP)
people talk shit because davido-kun keeps telling people it can cut straight through solid steel
it can not
but it is a fine blade

>>216670085
>I bought my sword at the mall, how could you tell?

>>216670117
not really, even the samurai didn't use katanas to pierce armor because that's not what they were made to do
instead they had daggers called yoroi-doshi with thicker, shorter blades, much like how in europe knights would have a dagger called a rondel with short, thick blades intended for hitting through weak spots of the armor
and in battle samurai would usually wield bows, melee weapons were sidearms
this idea that they would take the field on foot is modern nonsense
they were, by and large, elite cavalry and they used cavalry archer tactics which is exactly why they were superior to the peasants who fought on foot using basic infantry weapons such as spears
and when they did fight in melee, they charged the enemy using lances and other polearms
again, almost exactly how knights were superior to the peasant militia in europe
and even their social class was comparable - both samurai and knights were land-owning nobility

>>216671658
There’s a shared metallurgical philosophy linking Lexus body engineering and the traditional forging of a Katana. 2.0 GPa hot-stamped steel means the material can withstand 2,000 MPa of tensile stress before deforming. What’s special is the combination of hardness and ductility. The steel’s microstructure is optimized so it resists cracking while still absorbing energy in a crash. The result is a lighter, safer, and stiffer body shell.

>>216671936
look man I ain't shit-talking the katana
but the image of the samurai dressed in robes with a katana on their hip isn't at all how they went into battle - that was just their casual clothing!
in battle they were heavily armored, on horseback, and used bows, and much heavier melee weapons
and contrary to the common myth, they didn't shy away from using firearms either, once they were made available in Japan - they fucking loved muskets and cannons!

>>216672025
Katana was crafted with the same duality in mind. Its core (Shingane) was softer, more ductile steel absorbing shock. Its outer jacket (Kawagane) was harder, high-carbon steel keeping a razor edge. The smiths achieved this by folding and differential tempering, forming a complex layered microstructure. The temper line (Hamon) you see on a real Katana is literally the visual boundary between hard and soft zones, the balance of toughness and flexibility. European knightly swords, by contrast, were typically homogeneous, single-composition blades. They were designed for armor combat, not finesse.

and you know with the katana, with its curved blade, there's one advantage par none
you can draw the blade and strike your opponent in one motion
so it takes about one second to kill someone if you're a skilled swordsman

>>216672123
I'm quite aware of this metallurgical composition of the katana. And I also appreciate the way the Japanese consider the aesthetic of the blade part of the beauty of the sword. In European swords they mainly pay attention to how finely made the hilt is, while the blade may as well be replaceable. And I suppose it is, if it was made just for war.

>>216658781
Fpbp

But that's not to say I dislike the European swords either- far be that from me bloodstream! The English longsword is one of the most versatile blade in existence - stabbing, chopping, slashing, it does all those, but there's also techniques where you grab it by the blade that allows you to wield it like a club or a short spear. Truly a magical weapon.

>>216672219
Katana’s layered construction blends a hard edge (for cutting) and a soft spine (for flexibility). Modern high-tensile steel blends hard martensite and ductile ferrite in the same way. It’s the same Japanese philosophy of controlled harmony, now expressed not in a blade, but in the chassis of a car.

>>216672432
Nippon Steel has been trying to improve formability in high-tensile steel through repeated trial and error. The structure is well-balanced in high-tensile steel to achieve high strength and high formability at the same time.

>>216672432
Again, no one's arguing it's a good sword. But a sword is not something you use against armored opponents. The samurai used something called a kanabo, or a two-handed war club, in battle. Basically a studded oversized baseball bat.

>>216672661
and you know, maybe we aren't so different after all...

>>216658764 (OP)
if japanese were brown instead of white, japanese martial culture would be seen as barbaric and backward instead of cool and exotic
when native americans scalp their enemies, that's backwards and barbaric.
when japanese in feudal wars behead women and children and literally kill themselves with big swords because of retarded made up rules of honor, that's cool or whatever.
imagine if there was a tribe of black people on nigeria with a similar culture, and even into the modern day they idolize ritual suicide and the symbol for their culture is a spear. nobody would think that that was cool. japan gets a pass because of light skin but really it's the same barbaric thirdie mentality.

>>216658764 (OP)
did you know? in 1946, america confiscated and destroyed 3 million katanas. so much for your enduring symbol you stupid jap, we literally burned them and dumped them into the fucking ocean.

>>216671084
you could have posted a Winchester rifle

>>216672719
Japan gets a pass because they actually have a culture
and I actually hate America for trying to suppress the Japanese just because they are better than you niggers

>>216672872
if they're better, how come we beat them so badly that we still own them today? japan is a deeply raped country, specifically BECAUSE we are better than them.

>>216669399
is this actually true? nippon steel has the highest earnings on the planet? that cannot be possible

>>216672884
how come if you are better, the japanese animations and comics do better than your entire country?

>>216672884
>why were the nation states of japan, germany and italy beaten by three globe-spanning empires and all their satellites?

>>216672872
Suppress what exactly? They suppressed their own culture in Meiji, unless you mean to say manure heavy subsistence farming, brothels everywhere, complete lack of a legal system for peasants, and warlords that swing around to take a portion of your rice was a culture modern Japanese would be interested in.

>>216672923
cope you lost faggot
2 nukes weren't enough + the morgenthau plan had no flaws

>>216672924
>I need to bring up some shit from 150 years ago to make my point

>>216672915
US soft power completely mogs japan on the whole. how many hollywood films have you seen in your life? and how many japanese films have you seen (that aren't anime?).
can you name a famous japanese play?
can you name a famous japanese singer (that isn't adjacent to weeb shit)
can you name a japanese band?
how about a japanese novel?

>>216672915
>Americans brutalized and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Japangs, thereby proving their superiority
>yeah but what about muh heckin animes?
is this nigga for serious?

>>216672983
Y'know this post only betrays your own philistine taste. Because I have seen quite few Asian and European films, and I consider the American ones rather lacking in taste.

>>216673036
but if we take this framework and apply it elsewhere, how does that reflect on korea?

>>216672923
Part of waging war is knowing who to not fight. If you walked up to Mike Tyson and started a fight, is anyone going to ask "Why did that guy get his ass beat?" They lost because they were weaker and they had a bad strategy, that's all.

>>216673040
your post reeks of VPN jeet
"i've seen quite a few european films" well obviously? you're european aren't you? unless.....?

>>216662646
crossbows and slings though.

>>216672719
I think the main reason why Japanese martial culture is seen as cool is simply because it looks cool. Katanas look cool; it doesn't matter if they aren't effective because obviously the Japanese are militarily inferior to Westerners. But if you take a Zulu warrior in full battle dress and compare him to a samurai in lacquered armor, nobody is gonna say the African guy is "cooler". But yes both cultures are ultimately primitive and barbaric.

>>216672661
The popularity of the katana is probably related to the fact that samurai used to like to kill unarmored civilians for fun (tsujigiri) as a way to terrorize the population and make them fear samurai. As a matter of fact they continued doing this even during WWII. Kind of insane how little things change over time.

>>216673052
Korea has no martial culture, the only thing they were historically interested was in copying everything that China did: namely memorizing Confucian classics and ignoring existential threats such as Mongol and Japanese invasions.
That has nothing to do with the absurdity of bringing up Japanese pop culture as a response their colossal failures in WWII.

>>216673057
World War 2 was more like if Tyson walked up to Floyd Mayweather, knocked him to the ground, then 3 pro boxers and 72 untrained niggers came out of the crawlspace from under the ring and all ganged up on Mike

>>216658764 (OP)
The quality of the iron used in traditional katana making is already surpassed by Celts 800 BC. Tho I think Japs compensate their lack in metallurgy knowledge with a thought out smithing technic.

>>216673072
look at the flag
I obviously have seen a lot of European films

>>216673090
japanese martial culture looks cool cause of 30 years of anime and the sword being some sort of "hero" weapon. samurai armor doesnt look anything better than medieval armor or east asian armors. and the katana while cool isnt all that much cooler than other western/eastern swords.

This legit cracked me up, 80 kim pak lees got offed in Cambodia. Imagine your men too weaklings in combat that gave SEA monkeys a good kill record. The funniest part is no sympathy aroused for these lynched ones (lmao).

>>216673314
>getting mocked
>default response is to try to deflect by shitting on korea
nice try takeshi

>>216673331
The guk on the clock. It's time to kick the flat face!

>>216673331
is it just some davido larp to make them look bad or are they really this insecure?

>>216673314
>kicked out of US as illegal aliens
>consumed as meat shield by Russia
>80 lynched to death in Cambodia
No rest and no escape for these kimchis.

>>216673214
Now imagine that Mike knew all those people were there and still hit him anyway. That would be a pretty dumbass move right?

>>216673314
SEA monkeys, for all their faults, are pretty hard to kill. Imagine going to the jungles in SEA and trying to figure out if you're shooting at a monkey or a vietcong nigga. if you guess wrong, you alert the actual vietcong to your location and if there's one thing monkeys know, it's the jungle. their natural brown features, short stature and simian appearance makes it hard to distinguish them. even the US couldn't handle the monkeys using gorilla warfare during vietnam. they had huge underground tunnel systems that no human male could enter because they were built for SEA who average 5'3'' and 90lbs.

>>216668652
bro look at the variety of bows and swords from Europe and the middle east over the centuries and then compare it to grolious nihon
they couldn't even into crossbows and siege engines, it's just a variation of a katana with a twist for 1000 years, and they were still using matchlocks in the 19th century
>tried harder
yeah no, unless that's your way of writing "being ultra conservative with near zero innovation"

>>216668794
hyped by delusional retards and you're only reinforcing the stereotype. jesus is it the early 2000's again? against a rapier in a duel will get you btfo if you show up with a relatively short and heavy sword

>>216658781
Mongols slaughtered europe
Japan slaughtered mongols
Japan > Europe
End of story

i know it's bait, but i fit in my clothes and my clothes fit in a suitcase, therefore i fit inside a suitcase. and don't mention being an island with strong natural barriers, having a kamikaze getting rid of most of the mongol forces and mongols getting devastated in eastern europe the next time they came knocking, especially hungary where they were completely destroyed
what kind of retardation is this even, katana is a superhuman weapon of mass destruction because of luck? japan lost WWII therefore an american cavalry saber>katana
so were zeros because japan lost, and the yamato battleship was a piece of shit as well if we follow this retarded way of thinking. germany lost, so the MG42 and Stg44 were total shit as well

nips be like this uranium too spicey. why do i even take the bait, i know that's what trolls get off on

>>216672817
The m1911 actually has katana level reputational controversy, because on one hand it's considered a legendarily influential and beautiful quintessentusl american firearm that is still relevant, and on the other hand it's popularity inspires iconoclasts that attack it for being boomer/fudd because it's too heavy and only holds 7 rounds and .45 acp isn't actually that much better than 9mm.

>>216674417
>>216674456
Meanwhile the most reliable car in 2025

>>216658764 (OP)
shut the fuck up shinji and print my gundams
or else I'll send another ten thousand Indians to Toyko or whatever the fuck you call your fag capital

ChatGPT, which country supplies CFRP to Boeing and Airbus aircrafts?