Thread 5956

I have something that I believe really needs to be addressed, and that's Rule #2 on /toy/
It states: Absolutely no Japanese figurines. Action figures are permitted.
Now I know what it means, and you know what it means, but this one rule seems to cause the 'spergs to go apeshit, and 99 times out of a hundred any thread where a figurine is mentioned or shown (even in the background of a blurry picture), will degrade into a shit flinging mess, with flaming and trolling and people trying to find loopholes as to what exactly makes something a figurine vs a toy.

This should be pretty self evident. If it's marketed and sold as a Japanese figurine, then it's a Japanese figurine, and thereby against the rules. If something is marketed and sold as n action figure, then it's allowed. It's pretty straightforward. There shouldn't be any question as to the difference. If this was a perfect world. But it's not, so we get these kinds of rebuttals:

-Well, what about figurines that have limited articulation? You can pose an arm or turn the head. That makes it an action figure!

-How come Amiibos (Figma FigFX, Skylanders, etc etc) are allowed? They're nothing but statues. why should people get to post about them?

-What about plastic army men. There's no joints on them?

-Gunpla's not a toy, they're model kits, yet they're allowed.

-Why are gashapon toys allowed?

And so forth, ad nauseam.

Could we somehow get a stick from one of the mods, or better yet the admin that basically lays it all out? I know it's juvenile, but were talking about people who will tear each other apart because somebody likes something the other person doesn't.
I honestly feel if there was something concrete to look at, that they can actually see with their ow eyes, they won't have any excuse, and maybe, just maybe this shitstirring topic might go away.

It would also be a great help to mention in the rule itself that Figurines belong in /jp/, as currently it's not mentioned.

>>5956 (OP)
Maybe something along the lines of this:

/toy/ rule 2 clarified.
Absolutely no Japanese figurines. Action figures are permitted.
This means:
If it's marketed and sold as a figurine, it is a figurine and not allowed. Amount of articulation is irrelevant a jointed arm, neck, had, etc does not make it an action figure. Japanese action figures are labeled as such and are marketed and sold under that banner, and are allowed.
Amiibos are considered toys, and are allowed uder Rule 1 (Toys toys toys)
Fig FX are a sub line of Figma. Some FigFx sets are accessories to, or come with accessories for Figma action figures, and are thereby allowed.
Gashapon are considered toys, and allowed under rule 1.

ALL Japanese figurines belong on /jp/, and not /toy/

And so on.
I know it's ridiculous that anyone should have to spell it out so specifically, but if it's not there on the screen for them to see, they just won't want to follow it. (hell, there's no guarantee they will even if it is, but it's worth a try to help stop the endless shitposting that crops up evey time somebody mentions "statueshit")

>>5956 (OP)

>toys
>juvenile

how dare you

DID SOMEONE SAY TOYS???

I know there's a lot more important issues out there, but the whole rule 1 and 2 thing regarding Statues and figurines is still a major sticking point on /toy/.
Japanese Figurines aren't allowed according to rule 2, problem solved (supposedly). Now comes the other side of that argument; what about Western statues? Are they allowed? They aren't mentioned as being forbidden.
"But," chimes in another anon..."Rule 1 says Toys, toys toys! and therefore since statues aren't toys, they aren't allowed."
And as usual this turns into shitflinging and baiting and everything else we don't want to clog up our boards.

What I'm asking from the Mods (or whoever needs to handle this_ is simply two things.
1-Are western statues allowed on /toy/? Yes or no. It doesn't matter where they SHOULD go, the question is do they belong on /toy/?
2-Can there be an official statement, either in a sticky, or even rewording the rules to reflect this, by someone with real authority that can be pointed to when the debate pops up?
These people seem to NEED something tangible for it to reach their brains it seems. It may not always work, but at least it's something solid to look at and say "this is the way it is.". Otherwise it's endless arguing, and people making assumptions, and looking for loopholes, because it's not explicitly spelled out. The whole "It's up for interpretation, and depending on the mod they're allowed one day and not the next".
It's such a simple damn thing, yet it's one of the major problem causers on the board. If we can make it as clear as possible it would go a long way in keeping the peace, and keeping the board running efficiently.

I think it's important to clarify the rules because if we don't, we might get someone who overdoes it. Gashapons fit in my opinion because they're not huge statues that would clutter up the board, not only that but they rarely come up. A lot of them are articulated and largely considered to be accessories for toys, mostly Figmas or 1:6th stuff like consoles, food, etc. I think the toys-to-life stuff is also fine because while it's not necessarily a toy, it's manufactured by toy companies and targeted at the same audiences are other products at home on the board. The one area where I'm glad we don't have any overlap, and the most important topic at hand, are expensive statues created by the same companies who bring us the products we buy in the normal course of a day. For example, Kotobukiya makes excellent model kits but before they ever messed with those, they did statues and ONLY statues. The reason, in my opinion, that we keep statue separate from toys is not the typical answer, statues appeal to a very specific type of consumer, the /a/ crowd who watch tons of anime. When I think toy, I think product used or purchased by younger people. Statues don't fall into that group. As for gunpla, they are enjoyed by many age groups and are essentially DIY toys really so I feel they have a home base on toy as well. Same with scale model general where I spent all my time.

I realize my opinions don't adhere 100% to the board rules beyond a shadow of a doubt, I feel like I have a good feel for the board and have been there for a very very long time.