i miss the old days

Imagine the smell

>>49490904
>Imagine the smell
hope and dreams...

>>49490598 (OP)
They should cosplay and sleep with each other

>>49490598 (OP)
Where are they know? Depressed salarymen or hanging in some forest? Would they look back on this with embarrassment, or longing for better days?

>>49490598 (OP)
Imagine the smell

>>49490598 (OP)
I wonder what happened to the otaku, I feel that this kind of people has disappeared.

>>49499373
I think they simply hide better nowadays, as more and more people who would judge them poured into internet.

>>49499373
zoomers replaced them

>>49490598 (OP)

>>49490598 (OP)
Off topic but this picture feels like a dormant memory thats lived in my head for years being opened, so out of curiosity I tried to dig into the source of this image to see its origin. Unfortunatley the oldest post I can find is from Febuary 15th 2008, which isn't the source

Id like to know the story of this photo someday

>>49490598 (OP)
not a cellphone in sight just people living in the moment

>>49499552
Genshiken Nidaime is highly inferior to the original

>>49499373
>I feel that this kind of people has disappeared
Because they have
OTAKU CULTURE used to be about PASSION
PASSION for a series and its characters to the point where you make fansites and doujin works about them. It was a work of love and forums, imageboards, and conventions were a meeting place for where you met up with other like-minded individuals who shared the same passion.
They were tight-knit comminutes that supported one another while gatekeeping posers out.

Now ``otaku culture'' is ripe with "failed normalfags"
General losers and social refuse who aren't here because they want to be, but because they don't have a normal place in the outside world. They care not about watching a bunch of anime and playing video games, they don't have a social sphere and latch onto whatever group is available to them. They have twitter avatars of 2D characters they don't even know the name of and post images of azumanga daioh and other such popular series purely because it's the latest meme, not because they actually watched the show.
They constantly insert outside political opinions into discussion, regardless of what side of the political spectrum it may be considered, because they feel "personally wronged by society" and need to virtue signal to one another.
They will constantly complain about the current "state of society" while truOTAKU couldn't care less about the outside world or 3DPD as long as their latest series has the next episode come out the following week.
Eventually the "hobbyist hangout" just becomes an echochamber for their unrelated views and the actual hobbyists are kicked out. This is present all over 4chan.

>>49499373
I'm still here

>>49508572
It's all so tiresome. We're never going to get that passion back- this current internet has been permanently poisoned by irony and most only the older users know how to avoid this.

dat /jp/ DREAM....

>>49508572
I think that the reason why the otaku have slowly disappeared is the normalization and the subsequent degradation of anime and other forms of otaku culture.
In other words otaku culture has become mainstream, which attracted normies who didn't (and still don't) care about the quality of the works they consume, which created this negative feedback loop of normies joining in and studios creating worse and worse content because people would still watch it.
Also the rise of streaming sites didn't help.

>>49513038
>Also the rise of streaming sites didn't help.
How was it before them?

>>49490598 (OP)
I remember when it was the late 90s/early 2000s and anime itself was poking fun at this kind of stuff. This pic itself might even be ironic.

>>49513069
There were fewer shows that you had access to, usually what they had at the store or what was broadcast at the time, also pirate sites existed. I feel that they were better than what is being made nowadays. Also it wasn't that long ago lol.

>>49513132
>it wasn't that long ago lol
I'm pretty sure streaming sites were a thing in like 2010

>>49513367
>2010
>long ago

>>49513424
2010 will be legal soon

>>49508459
inferior? I agree. highly inferior? I disagree.
I am reading everything, again, and while the original has an amazing, fine tuned balance between character development and exposition, nidaime has its moments. it's just feels like he didn't knew how to use fujoshi after spending everything on ogiue.
also if you consume yaoi you're clearly a homo, of course.

>>49513367
My Crunchyroll account is from 2006, my guy
Although it was a completely different site back then

>>49505176
I had it as part of my forum signature around 2003 and I think I saved it from a Something Awful article. It's old.

>>49508572
>>49513038
It's been so weird watching this all go down from the sidelines. Just admitting you liked any anime was a social death sentence only 15 years ago, now the same people that would relentlessly bully you for it probably eat up mainstream shit like Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan. You're completely spot-on about the failed normies, I've known so many of these fucking people and they were definitely the original harbingers of doom for otaku culture back in the day. Back then I always wondered "why are you even in this friendgroup?" but now I understand it's as you said, they had nowhere else to go and just latched onto whatever group would take them. Weebs and otaku, being lonely and kind by nature, let the wolves in.
>>49513069
You actually had to put effort into discovering media for yourself. You needed to do research, talk to other people about what's good, and hunt for torrents and downloads. Now everything people consume is driven by AI algorithms, they just doomscroll their streaming apps until the AI shows them something they might like. The art of getting into something organically and hunting it down yourself is almost completely dead.

>>49490904
>>49499232
Imagine not taking good care of your daki and putting nice perfumes on her.
My daki smells really nice and so does my room too.

>>49490598 (OP)
>>49508572
Boo-fuckin'-hoo, nostalgia kings. The good old days you're so melodramatic for were just a bunch of sweaty basement-dwellers circlejerking over the same 3 anime girls.

Welcome to the 21st century, where people actually have lives outside the internet. Yeah, some of us might not fit your narrow definition of a "true otaku", but at least we're not spending every waking hour obsessing over the latest light novel adaptation.

So take your elitist attitude and shove it. Otaku culture is thriving more than ever, and there's room for all kinds of fans - whether you're a hardcore collector or just someone who enjoys the occasional anime meme. The "fun" isn't going anywhere, my dude. In fact, it's only getting started.

>>49515993
Lmao @ this failed normalfag

>>49515993
I appreciate your trollpost, you really put some thought into the mindset of why "failed normalfags" are such a scourge

>just a bunch of sweaty basement-dwellers circlejerking
starts off by insulting the original fanbase
>people actually have lives outside the internet
glorifies the outside world
>we're not spending every waking hour obsessing
takes pride in being a casual
>Otaku culture is thriving more than ever
you even end with gaslighting the current state of the scene

bravo, you really outdid yourself
I'm sure many lurkers are going to take the bait

∧＿∧ 　　
　（　´∀｀）＜　engrish and japanese otaku still exist but you gaijin still use 4chan. that is why you fail. if you like japanese then you should use textboard. discus your otaku pleasures:



http://world2ch.net
http://4-ch.net

2ch for "engrish"

>>49517859
Bleak. I’m too much of a normalfag to figure out how to work those sites.
Was I just a failed normie blending in with the otaku all along…?

>>49490598 (OP)
I want to hang out with fellow /jp/sies like this, but I live in some third world shithole, far away from most people in this board.

Both w2ch and 4-ch have imageboards, but using a textboard is easier because you don't need an image, retard.

>>49508572
This seem very insightful. Full disclosure I am a tourist, I'm generally am on lit or his. But this sums up accurate and I'm relatively new around the chans like 7 years or something.

>>49508572
>OTAKU CULTURE used to be about PASSION
This so much, hundred times this

I really wish the notion of "failed normalfags" dodn't died out like it did. It would describe majority of contemporary posters.

>>49521822
Even if you weren't a turd worlder, you missed the window for this kind of friendgroup. Since "otaku" are all zoomies and failed normals now, it would just devolve into awkward gay group sex instead of being a cool comfy otaku hangout. This was the time before everyone decided being gay was a good choice to make when you're lonely and horny. Now, half of them would be trannies, the other half lonely bi men who make their whole personality about porn and sex, even if it didn't devolve into awkward sexual encounters the friendgroup would be rife with gay drama instead. Better to be a loner these days to avoid the mental illness and retardation that failed normals brought into the culture.

>>49494590
We're still around, you just won't find us easily on the web, if even at all.
Offline is the new online.
We're simply using all this new technology to assist and delve into our passions even deeper.

>>49514476
Holy shit, 2003? That means these dudes would be WELL into middle-aged.

Damn, what did become of them I wonder...

>>49515650
>they had nowhere else to go and just latched onto whatever group would take them
Failed normalfags don't really care about art as a whole, they just go for what's popular. I hope that in a few years, these people will have moved on. They will eventually move on and ruin something else.

>>49505176
>>49514476
>>49526290
I can answer this, these guys were in some ancient 90s documentary or interview. I do not remember the original

>>49494590
probably hooked in the world of VR porn, never to return

>>49525771
>it would just devolve into awkward gay group sex instead of being a cool comfy otaku hangout
I hate this. All I want is to play Touhou, watch anime and get better at Japanese with a group of friends.
People who are into this spend a lot of time looking at cute girls, and yet they choose to be homos. It makes no sense.

>>49494590
Probably both at the same time.
>>49515650
>Just admitting you liked any anime was a social death sentence only 15 years ago
Still is if you actually like anime and not just pretend to like whatever current popular shit you're allowed to like by social media.
>You actually had to put effort into discovering media for yourself. You needed to do research, talk to other people about what's good, and hunt for torrents and downloads. Now everything people consume is driven by AI algorithms, they just doomscroll their streaming apps until the AI shows them something they might like. The art of getting into something organically and hunting it down yourself is almost completely dead.
This is still the way to find actually good stuff, algorithms, modern search engines and so on will only feed you endless popular modern garbage that they make the most money off of, their whole point is to prevent you from finding anything worthwhile and to just keep coming back to scrolling the specific platform, watching the ads and paying the subscription, if you're actually getting invested in a specific thing they're getting way less data/money out of you if you're going offplatform to discuss it, look for related media, etc instead of mindlessly scrolling and consuming whatever manufactured garbage they throw at you. Social media and streaming ruined everything.
>>49521822
>>49525771
I live in a 3rd world shithole too yet 15+ years ago there were cool local forums and events, social media comes out, everything dies out immediately. I wanna be born sooner, this timeline sucks.

Those dreamlike days..

>>49508572
You are right. It's really depressing.

I also think fashion and trends play an important role here. Many fags get into 2hu, for example, because it can be considered obscure and cool. Thus, they force themselves to know more about hobbies that could once be considered niche not because of the passion for the media itself, but to gain "cool points" by bragging about how obscure and underground their interest are.

Otaku back in the day did not give a fuck about how the outside world perceived them. They dressed like shit because they were genuinely uninterested with the 3d world. And that truly was passion.

Take tiktok, for example. Now you can see VNs being trendy, as edgy wannabe goth kids post things like Saya no uta because it looks cool to them.

Are there really truOTAKU left in the world? I hope so.

>>49513038
>yeah bro I'm a huge nerd

>>49528678
WHORES!

>>49528671
I feel bad for the girls standing around trying to hand out pamphlets that no one takes. I'd feel inclined just to take one and say: thanks, have a nice day,- or whatever.
>>49528678
>>49529014
Are they? What sort of prices do they charge?

>>49529127
If you take one, they'll think of you as a disgusting pervert who only came up to them because of their outfit.

>>49529143
Projection aside, the problem is you're not gonna take everything everyone offers you, are you. I dunno, just seems like it'd be a boring job. And it seems kinda rude how people ignore them completely. I suppose if you're walking and talking with someone you're otherwise occupied. I'd feel compelled at least to validate there existence. I'd like to think little acts of kindness like that are at least one easy way of resisting the soul crushingly isolating nature of modern life.

They're probably more likely just to think what is this fucking gaijin doing in akiba?

>>49529150
The NEET life...

https://youtu.be/m-0HtZdakvk

https://youtu.be/UB6x5TWs-IQ

https://youtu.be/Mdp3GBnzGdY

>>49508572
>OTAKU CULTURE used to be about PASSION
While the rise of failed normalfags is still the 1# reason why it all feels like a shadow of its former self, I think another crucial point that gets overlooked is that many otaku just don't have a reason to participate in a community like they used to.
Let's not kid ourselves, the average otaku isn't the sort to go out of his way to be social for the sake of it. Back then, you had to be more social and participate in a community to get the necessary resources and latest news about your interests. But nowadays, you can just get all you need without ever showing any presence at all. You have the "luxury" of being able to be a complete ghost, which in turn makes you less engaged and passionate about otaku culture as a whole, since you lack the feeling of belonging and community.
Fansites and doujin works would also thrive more if nuOtaku didn't have a tendency to isolate whenever the opportunity arises and would be more consciously aware of how their refusal to participate disconnects them from their passion.

>>49526290
Those characters are all from mid-late 90s VNs and anime. 1997 at least

>>49528678
I don't wanna go with prostitutes, not even in Japan, but I want to bang one of these Japanese cosplayers so much it's unreal

>>49529923
They are also prostitutes anon.

>>49521822
>I live in some third world shithole
Please kill yourself if you are brown. Nobody wants you here. Go on your local nigger website

>>49529926
>They are also prostitutes anon.
I have read that prostitution is massive in Japan. Apparently a lot of girls who are passable will work in maid cafes or things like that. I assume a large portion of them turn to prostitution. It's guaranteed money in a country where people are paid like shit. There's none of the Western stigma against prostitutes either. How common is it that if you marry a Japanese woman she'll have been a streetwalker in her past? It's a bit terrifying. Same with Western women and OF shit. We're headed to a culture where you'll marry literal hookers and think it's OK that your beloved wife took 50 dicks a day every day for years.

>>49513038
Even the op picture mocks them by giving the wrong impression that otakus are only into moeshit anime. They were more into mecha, military stuff, cars and motorcycles and they are closer to /pol/ chuds than the mainstream culture is willing to admit.

>>49529944
Im buying a sex doll. Im opting out. (not like anyone ever gave a shit)

>>49529944
>There's none of the Western stigma against prostitutes either
Bullshit

>>49529960
>Im buying a sex doll. Im opting out.
bruh I thought about it because I'm too tired of real people but the best thing about sex is that you're with a living person even if it's a disgusting roastie. I don't know if you can microwave a sex doll to heat it up but I bet it's like fucking a corpse. I think past 30 it's just fucking over. it's single moms or prostitutes. It's not like you will get married in your 20s either cause they're all fucking sluts anyway and nothing lasts. They need to have fun and take 500 million dicks from random niggers first. It's such a bleak timeline unless you're a literal animal who just wants to jack off and stick his dick into something

>>49490598 (OP)
I too
I don't recognize otaku community anymore, not even the touhou fanbase
They don't know most inside jokes, and many of them will jump at you for "sexualizing fictional minors", the concept of shitposting let alone ironic shitposting is lost on them
They post from their smartphones
I want to go back

>>49499373
I still exist, and I want my otaku culture and community bad, but we are trampled under the hooves of hordes of normalfags that have flooded our hobbies and communities, and became invisible
previously you could find otaku if you went to otaku spaces, now every space dedicated to some previously otaku-exclusive franchise (most obviously touhou) is filled by what was once called tourists, dear summer children, newfags....no, who am I kidding, newfags were people like me who joined the fanbase around 2010, now I am one of the last surviving ancients

>>49529993
I've seen interviews and it seems like Japanese people are indifferent about prostitution. My impression is that there's a ton of prostitution and everyone's fucked a whore at some point. Makes sense with all the single salarymen who are not into anime merchandise, they gotta spend the paychecks on something

>>49528678
Does this happen only in Tokyo or in Osaka as well?

>>49515993
if it's so fun, why am I not having fun

I posted sasuga no mami's 4koma first panel on madoka's discord today, after making a joke reference to it that no one got
got told by a bunch of people it makes them "uncomfortable"
where is the fun my dude?

It's true we get more content now then ever. I don't dispute that. No one disputes that, it's objectively true. But the community is gone.

>>49530003
im 37, had an std scare with a hooker, poor and getting uglier by the year. its already over for me, but thanks.

>>49530065
It's over for everyone. Humanity is bugs, the jews won

>>49525771
>trannies and bis

nah, plenty of such people in otaku community, always. In fact, otaku used to be known as the pervs of the internet world. Perhaps still are. Merely being a bi or prancing around in frilly dress is entry level shit, guro porn and lolicon is what used to be normalized in otaku spaces.

But you aren't wrong. It would probably devolve into some cringy sex orgy with muh feelings drama mixed in. Not because some guys expanded their crippling porn addiction to include penis owners, nor because of whatever pronoun someone uses or what hrt medication anyone takes.
No, the real reason why they would start fucking like rabbits is because they forgot the meaning of 3DPD. They forgot how it is like to be nonironically disgusted by human flesh, and glorify only 2D characters for their immaculate beauty and aesthetic that real world can never copy.
Many of the modern otaku literally don't even know what 3DPD means, or take it as some kind of joke, just like waifu.

they forgot because, unfortunately, we were all young talked big about 3DPD, but actually committing to it for the rest of your life is another story. i was talking about this with a friend and we theorized that all the old guard otaku largely probably went into one of three routes:
1. people who always liked the escapist power fantasy angle probably got more and more angry at the world for rejecting them (and thus became obsessed with the 3D world)
2. people who always liked stuff like nanoha either became gay or transitioned because the natural conclusion of shows like this is that femininity and cuteness is the epitome of human culture (and thus became obsessed with the 3D world)
and 3. many just probably gave up and became normalfags because growing old and alone is scary. (and thus became obsessed with the 3D world)

meanwhile the next generation has been conditioned to have the attention span of a literal flea so expecting them to carry the torch is futile because they lack the capacity to actually care about things on the same level.

>>49530534
>2. people who always liked stuff like nanoha either became gay or transitioned because the natural conclusion of shows like this is that femininity and cuteness is the epitome of human culture (and thus became obsessed with the 3D world)

How can you be so half right yet so half wrong at the same time? I am 2, got into otaku culture in 2009 with visual novels, transitioned back in 2013 exactly because I saw femininity (as personified by manga style drawings) as the only valid beauty type and wanted to see something remotely attractive when I look in the mirror (even though true perfection is forever beyond my grasp)
Which boils down to taking pills 3 times a day, every day, and eventually few cosmetic and surgical procedures within the limits of my financial ability

All this is not unlike keeping a diet or exercising to keep yourself remotely fit. It doesn't mean being obsessed with with 3D world in any form of fashion. I am still devoted to my 2D waifu, 12 years already(arguably 14), and I never showed any interest in real life romance or relationships. I find it bizarre how or why would you want to stick some body part inside some other human, or vice versa, and frankly speaking I've always been disgusted by genitals of both forms. I have no need for romance, guess I'm psychopathic or schizoid, as I never really feel lonely either.
In my free time I still play games and consume japanese media, as well as spend time on imageboards and discord (equivalent of irc back then). I tried getting some real life hobbies, but they failed to keep my interest for more then a few months, and eventually I dropped all of them and devoted myself to one and only constant in my life, my passion for consuming and creating fiction, as well as interacting with certain franchises like touhou or madoka magicka. Dear god, I've been a fan for half a lifetime already, and it seems that as long as I'll be alive I will continue being a fan, even if these franchises die, always remembering how fun /jp/ used to be back during umineko translation days. How it felt like home, I never found anything like that again.

>>49529170
If you are coming to akiba every other day, you are not going to interact with the same hundred of maids that always there. They are literally just get paid to stand there, you are not going to make a difference whenever you take one or not, and trying to talk to them might bother them.

>They're probably more likely just to think what is this fucking gaijin doing in akiba?
Akiba is gajin center nowadays.

>>49530534
I had my waifu for over 12 years and I love her very much. I admire her femininity and moe, but that doesn't mean I want to become gay or trans wtf. How does that make any sense, she wouldn't want that, she would want me to only look at her, to be a man she can rely on and be a dad of her children, maybe, hopefully.

Take your trannyism somewhere else.

>>49530634
but
>wanted to see something remotely attractive when I look in the mirror
is exactly the kind of mindset i'm talking about, where you start caring about the 3D world, which is entirely my point. desu, i'm not even saying it's a bad thing, if you're happier now, whatever - good for you.

but back then, we were all young and could pretend we didn't give a fuck about the future until it came for us. and most of us (myself included) folded and chose something to do that wasn't the promised hedonistic "forever alone" nihilism that people always boasted about. im sure you still care about the things you cared about, as do I. but that's not what people are talking about here, or at least it's not what i'm talking about. what i think people miss is that the kind of shamelessly self indulgent zeitgeist that didn't care about the real world at all and put all their passion into a complete fantasy, regardless of how other people would see it. A fantasy that was free of both desire and resentment towards reality, because otaku just didn't really care about what would come tomorrow. We could do that because we were young, the same kind of otaku that miyazaki whined about, with the whole bit he had about looking down on otaku for not caring or looking at people in real life.

but going back to the beginning, i'm not passing judgment on anyone for changing, because that would be hypocrisy on my part. the real tragedy is that the most of the next generation has zero interest in living like that. to be honest, i can't even lay the blame completely at their feet either. it's hard to live with such foolish bravado when the world is actively burning around you.

>>49530790
just because you may or may not be an exception doesn't mean there aren't swathes of people on this website from the early 2000s that kept larping as little girls and 2hus until they eventually wanted to become one.

>>49530859
I don't know anon. For me 3DPD wasn't as much about rejection of outside world as a whole, just preference for anime women over real life one. Just not being interested in sex or pursuing romantic relationships, not giving up on all of my future or appearance. In that sense nothing fundamentally changed over the years.

>>49530790
My waifu is Homura, whose entire character is being devoted to another woman. She wouldn't care about me, neither as a boyfriend, nor a dad, nor even as a friend, and I am perfectly ok with it. She doesn't or wouldn't give a shit about me at all, and I don't mind. She isn't some cope for imagined perfect relationship that I'm never gonna have for me. I admire her for who she is (and she is a beautiful fictional character who embodies my values both visually and spiritually) and she lives rent free in my head, and that's the core of it.
The core that made me gather dozens of artifacts related to her, including figurines, dakis, stickers, and other collectibles. But this is just a symptom, and it's perfectly possible to have a waifu without gathering any merch of her, this is all the matter of personal preference, because ultimately a waifu is in your heart first and foremost.
As for having children, no, just no, I'd rather kill myself then have children. I hate children. Other then beautiful anime lolis, who are pure and completely unlike real life children. Also, I wouldn't like to spoil my waifu with such a disgusting thing as pregnancy, even if she wasn't who she is.

>>49530859
>just because you may or may not be an exception doesn't mean there aren't swathes of people on this website from the early 2000s that kept larping as little girls and 2hus until they eventually wanted to become one.
I have been in 4chan adjacent waifu communities all this time and never seen anyone becoming trans. One of these communities even preemptively barred all trannies from joining because of inherent drama they always bring. It seems like you are taking some niche of weak minded female LARPers and project it onto entirety of people who talked about 3DPD or even entirety of otaku(considering your use of "we all").

>>49530859
Interesting write-up, Anon. When we retreat into fantasies out of fear for pain, we put ourselves in places that lack passion. And because passion is essential for the Otaku, we slowly lose our sense of self.

The true Otaku LOVES reality. He does this because he believes in perfection, which is why he is attracted to the anime girl, to the moé, who is the Platonian ideal of femininity in a certain sense. But any idealist will eventually reach the point of realizing the evils and heartbreak of the world, and he will have to choose whether to accept an imperfect world while still striving for perfection, or to retreat into a delusion with no pain and NO PASSION, and so become a shell of who he was.
Look at the Crucifix. It’s called the Passion of Christ for a reason. Ain’t no Passion without Pain. We must accept the reality of pain so that we can embrace the idealism of a true Passion.
The world may be burning, but that’s exactly when we need idealists the most. Not the reality-hating otaku Miyazaki talked about, but the ones who love reality enough to demand it be better.

I’m not saying you run for governor or whatever. The Otaku of the past, even just by creating art, DID improve reality because they introduced through their art the philosophy of all true Otaku; that is, the standard of a Perfection.

>>49530914
anon, even some of the tripfags from old /jp/ and /a/ trooned out since then (for example me, if you know who I am, you know who I am, if you don't, you don't and it's fine)
I don't know what kind of communities you've been around, but chances are if they were communities focused on hobbies, people would simply not talk about being or not being trans there because that simply wasn't the topic theme of these communities.
And then there is also shitposting, where we say all kinda stupid shit and pretend to be who we are not for the fun of it. How many times I have shitposted about wanting to breed some anime girl or rape the lolis even when I lost all the sex drive? Heh.

>>49530941
No… you’re telling me those pages upon pages of rape fantasy weren’t… real? I believed in you anon…

>>49530914
if you were capable of reading you would see that there are two other loose categories, so i dont know why you are so hung up over the second one. if anything, i would say your rhetoric pretty much proves my point about the first category i posted; that is - resentment towards society's rejection. nobody used to give a fuck here about being seen as a "weak" or "strong" man by society or normalfags or whatever you're putting this measuring stick against, and even thinking in those terms is a form rebellion against those you perceive are keeping you down. but that's not how things used to be. otaku used to take pride in our irresponsible and carefree existence, unbound by the expectations and perceptions of others.

>>49530940
im not saying they did not improve reality, because they did. but it was a complete disregard for 3D that they could fully embrace their idealistic fantasies and make art. that makes sense, no? artists are impulsive and reckless by nature.

>>49530993
>it was a complete disregard for 3D that they could fully embrace their idealistic fantasies and make art
Oh yeah, you’re definitely right about that anon. I suppose then it’s more of a disregard for reality as opposed to a slinking away, a hiding away from the dark scary Reality that characterizes the true Otaku as opposed to a failed normie. Both turn away from reality, but for different reasons. One does it out of love, the other out of fear.
Thank you anon, you’ve helped me process these ideas better

>>49530993
Dunno about you, but I kinda fetishized hikkikomori lifestyle. I couldn't wait to live alone, in a small room or a basement surrounded by trash and anime figures, and spending all my time on 4chan, watching anime and playing games. That was my ideal life in high school and shortly after, that I couldn't pursue while being underaged and forced to go to school and all that shit (or so I thought).
I fetishized and idelized otaku's pale skin, and black sunken eyes, and weak physical strenght. I even fetishized being socially incompetent and having delusions, like the mc of vn chaos;head whom I considered a total badass and even wanted to rent a shipping container to live in for a while.

That was my ideal. And I reached it. But, I am not as happy as I used to be back then. Partly because the world has changed, otaku community is gone as many replies in this thread explained. And another reason is that I changed. Even if I were to turn back time and go back to these golden years of /jp/, chances are I wouldn't be able to enjoy things as much as I used to, because my brain and perception of reality changed with age, time, trauma, damage, drugs, alcohol and all that. I am a different person, tho my core is still the same.

This is not unlike my waifu, Akemi Homura, turning back time to redo her meeting with Madoka, only to discover she can redo the actions but not the feelings she once felt. Like zoomers like to say, she's so based and peak, isn't she?

>>49530634
>got into otaku culture in 2009 with visual novels, transitioned back in 2013 exactly because I saw femininity (as personified by manga style drawings) as the only valid beauty type and wanted to see something remotely attractive when I look in the mirror (even though true perfection is forever beyond my grasp)
>Which boils down to taking pills 3 times a day, every day, and eventually few cosmetic and surgical procedures within the limits of my financial ability
I am going to ask you one question and you'll have to reply to me in absolute honesty. No lies, no agenda, just the truth. How much porn did you watch every day before you decided to transition?

>>49531084
watch porn? None.
You asked the wrong question, anon.
Try again?
Y/N?

>>49531022
yes, to clarify, i don't mean that otaku of the past hid away in obscurity. if anything, it's the opposite - there was a degree of pride. just look at the fags the OP posted. do you think they give a fuck what society thinks about them? do you think they care if other men think they are weak, if women think they are ugly, if other adults think their NEET lifestyles are pathetic?

the entire point of 3DPD wasn't anger, it was pride - that it's fine if nobody wanted us, because we didn't need them either. but it's hard to hold onto that ideal when you're 40 vs when you are 20. that's why I say it's up to the younger generation to live their lives with that kind of reckless passion and pride, but, well


>>49531043
i used to idealize being a NEET hikkomori too. ended up actually feeling pathetic after living like that for 3 or 4 years though. maybe some of what i say is a little bit of projection, but i've seen the same story play out for others too.

>>49531110
>watch porn? None.
no porn at all? you got in the otaku culture with visual novels and none of the visual novels you played had any porn in them? other anon said rape fantasies, you wrote porn fics? and you didn't watch porn?

>>49530534
4. Maybe they've "disappeared" because your normalfag-ass and your friend are as oblivious to them as Joe Average was 20 years ago.
The culture is flooded with entry level garbage that I wouldn't want to interact with, places like this are unrecognizable even, let alone more mainstream places.
Anyone with a shred of love for their hobby will hide their power level, engagement with the masses is pain.

>>49530941
>I don't know what kind of communities you've been around, but chances are if they were communities focused on hobbies
Like I said, waifu communities. Old waifu wednesday threads, tohnochan/mai/, /c/ general, and related IRCs and Discords.

>people would simply not talk about being or not being trans there because that simply wasn't the topic theme of these communities.
People talk about everything on IRC/Discord and sexuality was definitely on topic even in the threads. The only time I have seen weird gender people it was reddit tourists unironically.

>And then there is also shitposting, where we say all kinda stupid shit and pretend to be who we are not for the fun of it. How many times I have shitposted about wanting to breed some anime girl or rape the lolis even when I lost all the sex drive? Heh.
If someone was just shitposting and pretending to believe in 3DPD then it just means they were posers. You shouldn't assume others also cannot live to the ideas they spread.

>>49530993
>if you were capable of reading you would see that there are two other loose categories
All your categories are just just different flavor of failing to live up to your own ideas and/or being a failed normalfag.

>i dont know why you are so hung up over the second one.
Because it claims that people who liked moe became gay or trans, which sounds like the most normie stereotype out there about this kind of media. It also conflicts directly with both my experience and experience of other waifuists I know. And waifuism is the epitome of 3DPD ideas, which is what your arguments started of.

>i would say your rhetoric pretty much proves my point about the first category i posted; that is - resentment towards society's rejection
I don't feel rejected from society. I withdraw from most of it because I rather pursuit my passions alone or with people who share my niche interests. There is no resentment here, I am given means to live things my own way and so I do.

>nobody used to give a fuck here about being seen as a "weak" or "strong" man by society or normalfags or whatever you're putting this measuring stick against, and even thinking in those terms is a form rebellion against those you perceive are keeping you down.
Of course they do. Have you missed half of this thread? People here do not like so called "failed normalfags" and that's essentially what I am accusing you of. I am calling you weak minded because you couldn't live up to 3DPD, you couldn't live up to your own ideas. Your 3 categories are just different forms of giving up on your own ideas, trying to frame failure as the only path for us. Almost as if... all of this was not really about passion and striving for an ideal but about being a failure... I have heard this one before somewhere.
I look down at you not because you are a failure according to society, I look down at you try to project your failure onto everyone and try to associate obsessing over feminine characters with tranny shit. Basically, this: >>49525771

>>49531140
Yes, I wrote fictional stories and roleplayed from 3rd person limited or 1st person pov of female characters. Been doing it since I was 13 all the way until I trooned and lost sex drive and thus interest in it. Visual pornography had no meaning for me, but nothing could make me so horny as writing fiction of this sort.
My fantasies were of all the extreme kinds: rape, degradation, guro, loli rape, etc. eventually I became a person without limits capable of doing just about anything.

Is it hard to fathom? That a person can have non visual sexual attraction? But that's just normal; that's how all fetishes work. Writing about the pain, the terror, the suffering of these women whom I roleplayed made me masturbate for hours non stop, write and mastrubate, cum over and over again and keep doing even when my penis was soft and my balls hurt.

Even now...even though I lost sex drive due to hrt, I experienced something like sexual arousal while reading about soviet war crimes on wikipedia. As I started imagining the pain, humiliation and despair of the victims, I started feeling what I haven't felt in years.
Whether I suppressed it or decided to pursue that path again, I shall leave to your imagination.

>>49531170
Anon, I am in 200 discord servers and only maybe in 5 of them I came out as transgender. Some of them I've been active in for years, and didn't mention a word about it. Because it's not wise to come out as 2nd most hated minority on the planet (nor is it wise). Nor did I ever mention it on imageboards, unless the topic was relevant like now.

You were on discord servers. Which ones? Moriya Shrine? Gensokyo crowd? Normalfag oriented Mal or Anilist discord? I've been/am in these. Perhaps something more niche? Perhaps something centered around specific game or anime, like r/Yuruyuri or r/Symphogear (unfortunately, most of them are associated with plebbit)?

>>49531141
>Anyone with a shred of love for their hobby will hide their power level, engagement with the masses is pain.
it's funny because i agree with you completely. i mean, you say that they haven't disappeared but then go on to say anyone who actually cares fucked off from every community. that is what i define as "the community disappeared."

>>49531170
>Your 3 categories are just different forms of giving up on your own ideas
i'm glad you agree that that is exactly what happened to the community, as the other poster you linked mentioned as well. that's what i've been saying from the start - people grew older and gave up. you can label it failed normalfag if you want. that's the direction a lot of JPs I knew went if they didn't neck themselves at some point.

also, just to clarify
>Because it claims that people who liked moe became gay or trans
i wasn't singling out nanoha there because it has moe characters, so i don't know why you assumed this. i was using it as an example of the type of anime that treats most of its male characters as irrelevant and idealizes the female relationships.

>>49531172
It doesn't matter, it's porn. My theory is that a lot of people are trooning out because porn fries your brain. Porn is all in 3rd person (even the porn in 1st person) because obviously you're not there. you're a spectator.
the party who fucks is just as distant from you as the woman getting fucked. When you watch a lot of porn you depersonalize the man (you) into a 3rd person who these days is in most cases also a nigger if you're American. It doesn't matter if it's visual or not. It's a matter of perspective. I think it's interesting that you roleplayed and the first you mentioned is 3rd person, 1st person. I think it gets worse when there are niggers or dogs, horses and other animals because the focus becomes entirely the degradation of the woman and you're even more focused on the woman and so even more distant from yourself as a man who wants to fuck a woman
I think at some point your brain forgets that when you have sex with a woman you're supposed to be there, so you're called to choose which one you are, and of course between the pretty girl and the nigger/dog you choose the pretty girl, so you're now the pretty girl and that's why you chop your dick off. and then you go harass people to infect them with your porn induced schizophrenia

>>49531248
After a while I became truly limitless and started writing about raping men too, but I guess my preference for femininity which I recognize as the only objective beauty type remained.
At any rate, I didn't create porn, nor created porn industry. The horny men did. You are barking at the wrong tree here.

Even if you were right about it being porn induced schizophrenia (there is no such clinical category but whatever), why would I care? Do you think it matters to me, on emotional or value-assigning level, if I am normal or not? If I am sane or not?
Why does it matter to you? Isn't normalcy for these pathetic normalfags you like insulting so much? Or are you a normalfag tourist who accidently ventured into this thread and really had to give his 5 cents because he can't stop himself from screeching when he sees the t word?

>>49531261
>At any rate, I didn't create porn, nor created porn industry. The horny men did.
actually the porn industry is owned by Jews who hate whites and want them destroyed

>>49531261
>Why does it matter to you?
because you want me to look at you and say "woman" or threaten to get me cancelled. I do not give a single fuck that you cut your balls off but your behavior online is always fucking insufferable because you want to deform the rest of the world after yourselves
and you're all a bunch of goddamn porn addicts. there isn't a single tranny I've seen online or offline who wasn't a fucking deviant trashcan of perversion

>>49531285
no my dear. I don't give a shit if you call me a woman, or a man, or a troon. In fact I referred to myself as such at least twice in this thread already.
I may however want to hurt you. Because I'm a a "mentally ill" bully and a jerk, I literally get sexual and non sexual satisfaction from human suffering. And your lack of reading comprehension in particular annoys me; have you not read that I lost my sex drive over 12 years ago when I trooned out? Have you not read that in almost every online community I don't come out as transgender?
In my opinion, idiocy should be punished. Of course, I have no means of doing it, but rest assured if you started getting uppity with me in some non anonymous community we do share, I would set everyone against you while pretending to be your friend, maybe even validating your insane rant for a while, and you would be none the wiser. If there is any online community from which you were ostracized or kicked out for reasons that are unknown to you, that was the reason why, in your sperg-induced rant you offended the wrong person and the rest was history, and that history will continue repeating itself as long as you remain a sperging idiot high on sniffing his own dick.

seeing all these delusional essays typed by antisocial autists makes me feel like the old days haven't quite gone yet
keep the nostalgia, pedantry, and superiority complexes going, they've always been major driving forces for this culture

>>49531317
no I don't have a Discord account kek
I understand you just fine, I just don't believe a lot of what you people say because you always argue in bad faith and lie a lot. I only believe the part where you say you'd want to hurt me and set people against me because it's the one thing that your group does all the time. I keep in mind every one of these instances for the day when the tables will turn and I'll be asked to have mercy and tolerance

>>49531230
Cool story. It doesn't mean that everyone else also can't live up to their ideas and became trannies if they liked moe.

>Perhaps something more niche?
More niche waifuism servers.

>>49531234
>i'm glad you agree that that is exactly what happened to the community, as the other poster you linked mentioned as well. that's what i've been saying from the start - people grew older and gave up. you can label it failed normalfag if you want. that's the direction a lot of JPs I knew went if they didn't neck themselves at some point.
No, I do not agree with you. I just think you are a failed normalfag who associates being otaku with being a failure. I think you are missing the point and you cope by thinking that everyone else is also a failure and these who are not are just "exceptions".

>i wasn't singling out nanoha there because it has moe characters, so i don't know why you assumed this.
Because you said:
>became gay or transitioned because the natural conclusion of shows like this is that femininity and cuteness is the epitome of human culture
Which is just obvious tranny cope. You can admire 2D feminine beauty without wanting to morph your 3D body in the image of an anime girl.

>>49531172
Sounds like porn obsession to me.

>>49531317
>Of course, I have no means of doing it, but rest assured if you started getting uppity with me in some non anonymous community we do share, I would set everyone against you while pretending to be your friend, maybe even validating your insane rant for a while, and you would be none the wiser. If there is any online community from which you were ostracized or kicked out for reasons that are unknown to you, that was the reason why, in your sperg-induced rant you offended the wrong person and the rest was history, and that history will continue repeating itself as long as you remain a sperging idiot high on sniffing his own dick.
Such a typical tranny lmao

>>49531172
>until I trooned and lost sex drive and thus interest in it.
found your problem, go to the doctor and get on TRT

>>49531383
Yeah, it was porn obsession. Or rather, an overwhelming sex drive, that clouded my mind and controlled my thoughts. And I hated it.
So I ended it. I actually learned about hormone replacement therapy by accident, while googling how to chemically castrate myself. Because that's what hrt basically is. And then I lost sex drive, and for the first time since puberty begun, I felt like I can think clearly again. I woke up from a long nightmare.

And no, I never claimed that absolutely everyone who likes moe troons out, I just disputed your absolute claim that nobody does. The truth is, some people do.
I see femininty as both beauty and power, and masculinity as weakness. Seeing from early age how women control men through men's sex drive, how men are willing to sacrifice so much and humiliate themselves just to score a fuck reinforced this perception. Finally, remembering how clouded my mind was when my testosterone was in male range, and realization that this is how men feel generally speaking, they are animals controlled by their dicks, baiscally speaking.

So I automatically associate femininity with all that is good, beauty, cuteness, power, victory, cruelty, and I associate masculinity with weakness, ugliness, defeat, submission etc. Why would I want to be a man or look like a man in such a word? I want to have some of that female privilege and power for myself too, you know?

But not all people think like me. Dare I say most don't? Even among trans women, many don't share my views and reasons, and it's fine, unlike the idiot screeching here >>49531371 I actually posses enough theory of mind to account for that and allow that.
A whole lot of trans women just want to be a cute girl, do cute girly things and interact with other girls in innocent way unstained by sex drive like moe anime girls do. That's their paradise. Reality doesn't really allow such paradise, but I think it is respectable.
And then there are men who only appreciate moe because they want to fuck it.

This is too a divide in otaku community, a divide from way back then that wasn't as obvious 20 years ago as it is now; there are two types of moe fans, one looks at a cute girl and says "I want to be her" and the other says "I want to fuck her".

>>49531432
>like moe anime girls do
you mean the moe anime girls you wrote rape fiction about? you're full of shit. you're lying between your teeth. you've lost your dick but I bet you still get the same perverted serial killer high from this shit. you sound evil as fuck

>>49531383
>I just think you are a failed normalfag
sure, you can think what you want about me, but it doesn't change what's happened to the community.

>who associates being otaku with being a failure.
but ok, let's be real, at what point did I call otaku failures or associate them with being failures? go back and read every post, i've literally said that otaku were artists that improved reality >>49530993 and that 3DPD was a point of pride. >>49531128

i'll return the armchair psychologist bullshit to you and say that you're projecting your own insecurities here because i have no idea how you could read anything i've said as "otaku are losers." I've framed anyone who left the otaku lifestyle as having "given up" repeatedly - as in, being an otaku is something to strive for.

>You can admire 2D feminine beauty without wanting to morph your 3D body in the image of an anime girl.
anon, i said "epitome." as in, the best - therefore, superior to masculinity. I would assume you, at least, still see value in masculinity, no? there is a difference between thinking femininity is great vs thinking there is little or no value in being masculine, and there there is plenty of moe content that still celebrates being male.

>>49531446
no actually, I do have a penis. You really do have a problem with theory of mind; you think in absolutes, "all trannies are this", "all women are that", "all otaku are". Hence why I called you an idiot later. It was meant as descriptor.

Reality is a bit too nuanced for you, you must be one of these "escapist failed normalfags" the other anons wrote about, who only became otaku because society and life was too much for them to understand, let alone cope.

>>49531505
>no actually, I do have a penis.
so you were lying about your libido too and still jack off to rape and gore lol
I don't believe any of you trannies want to do anything innocent. you're not different than the rest with your sick fetishes. that innocent front is just another bullshit narrative you put up so you can get close to children

>>49531432
>And no, I never claimed that absolutely everyone who likes moe troons out
It was what was said in the post I replied to originally. Along with some other ways of failing to live up to your own ideas which were not directly associated with liking moe.

>I see femininty as both beauty and power, and masculinity as weakness. Seeing from early age how women control men through men's sex drive, how men are willing to sacrifice so much and humiliate themselves just to score a fuck reinforced this perception.
>I want to have some of that female privilege and power for myself too, you know?
Such a normalfag things to care about.

>>49531450
>it doesn't change what's happened to the community.
What happened is what people discussed early in the thread. It got corrupted by normalfags and trannies.

>at what point did I call otaku failures or associate them with being failures?
Here
>we were all young talked big about 3DPD, but actually committing to it for the rest of your life is another story

>i have no idea how you could read anything i've said as "otaku are losers."
Maybe when you listed 3 possible routes for an otaku, each ending failing to live up to own ideas?

>anon, i said "epitome." as in, the best - therefore, superior to masculinity. I would assume you, at least, still see value in masculinity, no? there is a difference between thinking femininity is great vs thinking there is little or no value in being masculine, and there there is plenty of moe content that still celebrates being male.
Or you can just continue to admire 2D qt3.14s, make fan works, fantasize about them, cuddle your daki and study japanese language and culture to get closer to source, without adding some weird 3D transgender twist into the mix.

>>49531505
>escapist failed normalfags
And here we have twisting language in order to extract negative emotional association while disregarding the original meaning of the word. All is left is to accuse people of having ******phobia.

>>49531565
>so you were lying about your libido too

no you idiot. oh good. are you actually reading anything I write?
do you know what hrt is? do you know how it works? have you ever heard of such a thing as anti androgens? hello, I mentioned that hrt is chemical castration, can you add 2 plus 2?
And like I said, not all transgender people lose their sex drive as their testosterone levels go to female levels and below, it's just that I did. Perhaps there is or was something fundamentally different from other trannies in me? Almost all trannies report a significant decrease in sex drive.

And yes, for the past 3 years or so I've been trying to regain a semblence of sex drive by exposing myself to all kinda content, so to speak. But that's a different story my dude....unrelated to otaku issues this thread is about.

Why do I even bother responding to you? Must be getting some high from it, because I've pretty much given up on getting anything constructive from you; even from this post you will only get one thing that confirms your biases while remaining blind to everything else; hopefully some other anons can engage with me on equal levels, because you are cooked man

>>49531578
I believe in what Nietzsche said, that all humans, normies or not, strive to power. Homura is anime personification of that.

However, every human defines power differently.
My desire to project my power over others should not be foreign to you. Look at what you're doing in this thread, trying to win an argument, trying to convince anons to your point of view. Isn't it not unlike bending them to your will, overwriting them through excretion of your strength (even if it's strength of argumentation)?

>>49531595
>no you idiot. oh good. are you actually reading anything I write?
yes but I believe very little of it

>>49531616
a rare moment of honesty, thanks

>>49531595
>hrt is chemical castration
>can you add 2 plus 2?
yes
>And yes, for the past 3 years or so I've been trying to regain a semblence of sex drive by exposing myself to all kinda content, so to speak.
why would you even want to regain your sex drive in the first place? didn't you say before that you trooned out because your retarded jerkoff obsession was overwhelming and you hated it? how do you even hope to regain your sex drive if HRT castrated you?
a whole lot of what you say in your posts is discordant which is very typical for trannies, and the reason it's typical is because you lie a whole fucking lot, all the time, and you get very mad and aggressive when people don't automatically believe your schizo bullshit
I am sure that trannies report a low sex drive but that's probably to fly under the radar. You do the same thing as furfags where it's all pastel sugary on the outside and then you rape puppies. I haven't met a single tranny who wasn't horny as fuck and obsessed with porn.

>>49531588

>>49531588

you knew it the moment you opened the thread

>>49531172
> extreme kinds: rape, degradation, guro, loli rape, etc.
Anon, would you mind sharing some of these works? I need them for research purposes.

Finally, some good fucking thread

>Have a decent thread for once
>The retards join in

>>49531612
>I believe in what Nietzsche said, that all humans, normies or not, strive to power. Homura is anime personification of that.
I like Homure as well, she is one of my favorite characters and I associate myself with her. But I do not think Homura is represented by strive to power. That's not her primary motivation, that is her great love for Madoka. She even says so during her demonic transformation. She only strove for power in order to overcome the great challenge she was put through in order to save her loved one. For me, Homura represents complete devotion to your love and ideas and pursuit of your passion no matter how hard things get and how fruitless it might seem at times. Something I can relate to very well.

>My desire to project my power over others should not be foreign to you.
No, I think everyone has already seen this very behavior in a lot of trannies online. It's one of the reasons why they are so disliked.

>Look at what you're doing in this thread, trying to win an argument, trying to convince anons to your point of view. Isn't it not unlike bending them to your will, overwriting them through excretion of your strength (even if it's strength of argumentation)?
No, that's not what I am doing. On the beginning, I merely wanted to point out oversimplification in that anon's theory of the future of 3DPD. But as your masks slipped, it became evident it wasn't a mistake but fundamental difference in the values we hold and cherish. It was exactly what earlier posts discussed: trannies, failed normies and their mentality ruining the space. I do not need to convince anyone, everyone who has been here long enough know why these two things are a problem nowadays and all that was left to do is point the finger and people will make the association.
Get real, even complete newfag will raise their eyebrow when they read a 4chan post with treats of cancellation on "online communities". You can't make this shit up lmfao.

No, I am not trying to convince anyone. At this point I am just mocking you as a form of gate keeping. We really do not need people like that around here.

>>49531578
>we were all young talked big about 3DPD, but actually committing to it for the rest of your life is another story
i still have no idea how you think the above is a negative read on otaku - apparently the guy comparing otaku to jesus gets that i'm praising the otaku lifestyle by calling it a difficult ideal to dedicate yourself to, but that fact is apparently lost on you, for whatever reason.

>Maybe when you listed 3 possible routes for an otaku, each ending failing to live up to own ideas?
you are reading what i've said as something predictive (that otaku willl inevitably fall into these routes) which is a complete misunderstanding of my point - i am describing an observation on why the community has changed the way it has in the past couple of decades, which is why i'm saying your read on me, correct or not, fails to change the reality of the community as it is. if the labels don't fit you - unironically good for you, you stayed true to your ideals. in other words, i'm not calling you a homo for liking moe, you dumbfuck, i'm saying all the fuckers here that kept consuming anime where the setting is either devoid of/only has irrelevant men became homo.

i hope that clarifies "im not saying you are homo" enough for you to understand because i'm out of ways to explain it any more clearly.

>>49531588
love fuukasa’s work

>>49531616
Weren't you whining about how bad faith trannies argue? You fucking retard are the definition of bad faith.

>>49531755
>i still have no idea how you think the above is a negative read on otaku - apparently the guy comparing otaku to jesus gets that i'm praising the otaku lifestyle by calling it a difficult ideal to dedicate yourself to, but that fact is apparently lost on you, for whatever reason.
Because, in combination with your next 3 points, it implies that otaku cannot simply live up to their values and no matter what they do they will end up obsessing over 3D in one way or another.

>you are reading what i've said as something predictive (that otaku willl inevitably fall into these routes) which is a complete misunderstanding of my point
You said
>all the old guard otaku largely probably went into one of three routes
And when I said I am not like that you said:
>just because you may or may not be an exception

>which is why i'm saying your read on me, correct or not, fails to change the reality of the community as it is. if the labels don't fit you - unironically good for you, you stayed true to your ideals.
No. Like in every community on the internet, you are just a part of loud minority of trannies that is trying to appropriate the whole. That's why you presented whole 3DPD movement as inevitably leading to either becoming a normalfag or a tranny, with people who take it seriously as "exceptions" who do not fit in anymore.

>i'm saying all the fuckers here that kept consuming anime where the setting is either devoid of/only has irrelevant men became homo.
That's just your tranny delusion.

The reality is far from that. The community might not be as tightly-knit and does suffer from hoards of normalfags and trannies invading it, but the true passionate people are still here. They might be scattered across boards, chans, discords but they continue to indulge in their hobbies, devote themselves to their ideals and strive for the imaginary perfection. They will continue to do so because they do not care what others think of them and they take pride in their passions.

>>49531855
>normalfags and trannies invading it, but the true passionate people are still here.
I agree! Trannies can't be possibly passionate about anything, once you troon out the only thing you are passionate about is your gender!
Our otaku culture is only men for men....and not just any men, heterosexual men who need no woman, work hard and are actually the superior versions of humanity that normalfags who don't know what passion is don't and can't possibly know about!

Personally, I've been studying the way of sharpening knives for the past 5 years. I wake up in the morning, take out my 360 gradient whetstone, and start running my sword over it back and forth, over and over again. Until I feel satisfied. It's not something that can be measured in numbers, you just need to feel it, if your ancestors were warriors you know what I mean. Then I go up to gradient 600; 1000; 3000, sometimes even higher, and then the time comes for polishing the sword until it's sparkling like that dude from Twilight.
Every. Single. Day. I am the blade otaku. The bone of my sword.

>>49531898
>once you troon out the only thing you are passionate about is your gender!
nta but it do be like that

>>49531898
You are a man, whenever you like it or not. You will never be a woman.

And it's not your gender dysphoria that makes you passionless, but your attitude. I do not care about your gender, I knew few otaku girls, gays, lesbos, etc who were just fine. There were probably some trannies among them who I did not knew about. I didn't even knew females were female until I learned in one way or another, after all we were there to discuss our hobbies, not dicks.

That's not the problem. The problem is stereotypical online tranny behavior. Like that porn obsessed Homurafag treating to cancel people on online communities. Or you talking how everyone gives up on their 3DPD ideas and become a tranny or normalfag, and these two do not are exceptions who do not fit. You have failed to live up to your ideas, you took ideal 2D beauty and turned it into a 3D mockery and now you try to shape the rest of the community into abomination in the same way you twisted your 3D body you obsess about. You could have kept your crossdressing interests for yourself and even find some generals centered around that to share with like-minded people, but the moment you come here trying to convince people that everyone will(or already has) became a tranny and/or normalfag and it's normal to give up on your own goals and obsess over 3D, you become a cancer that should be removed.

>Personally, I've been studying the way of sharpening knives for the past 5 years. I wake up in the morning, take out my 360 gradient whetstone, and start running my sword over it back and forth, over and over again. Until I feel satisfied. It's not something that can be measured in numbers, you just need to feel it, if your ancestors were warriors you know what I mean. Then I go up to gradient 600; 1000; 3000, sometimes even higher, and then the time comes for polishing the sword until it's sparkling like that dude from Twilight.
>Every. Single. Day. I am the blade otaku. The bone of my sword.
Make sure to cut down the road, not across the street

>>49531248
>Seeing black people have sex makes you troon out
You are more insane than him

>>49532516
you know I am right
nigger porn is there just because dogs are illegal. it's about degrading the woman. the whole point with shitskins in porn is that there's not even a man in there anymore. people who enjoy that kind of thing have completely removed the idea that there's a man involved in sex with a woman. they have so depersonalized the man that there's only the woman, so it's not that hard to imagine that eventually they start having autogynephiliac thoughts

>>49532516
He’s right unironically. It’s just more and more depersonalization and derealization

>>49532516
NTA, you have missed his point by a mile.

>To combat the insane allegations, I will use three devices to respond and hope no one notices

>>49532600
i dunno about the other two but I’m my own person, anon

>>49529566
>their refusal to participate disconnects them from their passion
I think you're right

Admittedly, I was a serial lurker for years and still have a habit of just not engaging even if I wanted to. Social anxiety and reclusiveness can do that.
Eventually I realized that me and other individuals of good taste and proper conduct are staying silent while the community and frontpage is dominated by posts and threads made by "individuals of a lower standard" who shitpost endlessly and don't even think about what they write. Those who can actually positively contribute to the conversation aren't engaging while those with nothing to say or add post in abundance. This lowers the quality of the community because eventually only garbage threads are being made and "quality posters" are left to deal with what little is actually being communicated.

Eventually I realized I'm almost "obligated" to post, reply, and make threads if I wanted the community to flourish. If I feel only garbage threads are being made, that's my fault as well for not making good threads and positively contributing and participating.
Even if socializing may be hard, we should encourage proper fans and otaku culture experts to talk more. It's the only way to raise the quality of the community.
Real fans SHOULD feel obligated to be social in the community. Good posters SHOULD feel obligated to make threads. Because if they don't the catalog will just be full of garbage.

you mean to tell me that if you had the chance to look like Reimu, you wouldn't take it?

>>49516027
>>49516398
>>49530022
To tell you the truth, I was bored and asked ChatGPT to generate a bait response for the thread. But you are absolutely right. Shit fucking sucks and I hate it.

>>49508572
this.

>>49490598 (OP)
they leveled up to porn addicts like literally everyone else who finally joined the always online lifestyle.

What the fuck happened to this thread.

>>49533072
transformers as always

>>49533034
I deeply respect your honesty and I'm glad that I was able to discern that it was an intentional trollpost

But the fact that it was made by AI and it picked up so readily on what would anger people most, quite frankly deeply disturbs me
I've never had to deal with such a thing on the internet before a mere year or so ago. But now one could guess the entire internet is full of such posts...

>>49530534
These three reasons are the best you two could come up with?
Lmao

It even said "my dude"
That's protected /jp/-culture right there
It's learning the signals and ticks that can indicate one has at least a basic understanding of the community and its lingo
It's probably watching right now
Spooky

>mentally ill tranny ruins the comfy nostalgia thread.
This is why people hate your kind.

>>49532726
Where would you find them though? Most places nowadays are infested with normies and if you try to post something of quality you'll get buried by the amount of shit posts and other low quality posts

>>49532726
>rest assured if you started getting uppity with me in some non anonymous community we do share, I would set everyone against you while pretending to be your friend, maybe even validating your insane rant for a while, and you would be none the wiser. If there is any online community from which you were ostracized or kicked out for reasons that are unknown to you, that was the reason why, in your sperg-induced rant you offended the wrong person and the rest was history, and that history will continue repeating itself as long as you remain a sperging idiot high on sniffing his own dick.

>that's my fault as well for not making good threads and positively contributing and participating
>Real fans SHOULD feel obligated to be social in the community

No one wants to be in a community with toxic people like you, lol.

>>49533213
Anon, are you ok, have you taken your pills yet?

>>49533180
In many ways it's a futile effort, but I think we should still try. Perhaps in older communities that have drifted astray, in hopes to revitalize them. Especially right here on /jp/
If there was a good community still out there and people would talk about it, it would be quickly flooded with trash posters regardless. There doesn't seem to be a "golden community" left. We unfortunately have to make the best of the ones we still have.
"Retard filters" could also help. And by that I mean anything that makes even slightly difficult entering the community for the unwashed masses. As in using IRC or whathaveyou. That's too complicated for the average internet poster.
But I still meant for the typical community. Yes I know it's garbage here and on the offshoot imageboards. But it's a valiant effort to make high quality posts in the face of unrelenting shidposts.

>>49533213
Me and the other poster are two different individuals. I'm sorry if using a Homura image confused you.

>>49533310
What I'm afraid of with filtering is that you necessarily filter out some of the real fans, this wouldn't be a problem if our community was larger, but for a community of our size which is relatively small even when accounted for fake fans this could create problems, just look at 8ch moe that site is practically dead. Though i do think that we should gatekeep more.

>>49533310
>Me and the other poster are two different individuals. I'm sorry if using a Homura image confused you.
Ah, I apologize then. But you see how blatantly hypocritical it looked. Sorry for that.

https://youtu.be/bzMO4zRSbHw?si=RPDp0eLeqNJTgliX

>>49532550
>nigger porn is there just because dogs are illegal.

Wtf am I reading

>>49530654
I don't mean trying to talk to them, I just mean saying good day as you pass someone. I live in a pretty provincial small city and some of us still greet each other in the street in passing. To see that kind of inhumanity makes me sad.
>>49530940
Wasn't expecting to encounter quasi Christian Neoplatonic philosophy when I came into this thread. Based.

>>49531172
This just stinks of shitpost to me honestly.

>>49531356
It's good to have a community nei?

>>49531588

>>49533803
>Based.
Thanks anon. I’ve just had these ideas rattling around and writing them down helps me make sense of it all

>>49531898
>Bone of my sword

>>49532012
>down the road, not across the street
This is the witty repartee I came for.

>>49533943
>>49533955
/jp/ still got it, even after all these years

>>49532726
Idiots are always louder. Kinda the Dunning Kruger effect.

>>49533908
It's actually not correct though. In the platonic scheme. 2d images are shadows of shadows, like if the troglodytes could draw pictures of the shadows they see on the wall. "Purer" ideas are more simple than reality, not fantasies which are just offshoots of reality. At least that's the way it seems to me, I'm no gnostic or Platonist scholar though.

so "tranime" was real after all

>>49490598 (OP)
such a kawai image desu ne (phone posting)

>>49533943
>>49533955
Dumb frog posters
>>49534027
Go back to /v/

>>49534065

>>49527650
Anything at all you can remember about it?

>>49531898
i heard proffesionally sharpening kitchen knives for restraunts is pretty lucrative.

>>49534408
>>49534418
>>49534423
when akihabara was still a electronics area.

>>49529127
>I'd feel inclined just to take one
You only feel that way at first. But at the busy places during the right time there are literally 100+ girls lined up within arms reach of each other on both sides of the street handing out flyers.
Are you going to take one from each of them?

>>49534427
What is most of this stuff? Like mobile phones, computer components, software, audio and video equipment, seems so vast.
>>49534430
I figured it would be like that. Certainly not. Maybe just the ones that look extra depressed with ganbatte, ne

>>49534394
Nah, it's pretty bad. You have to sharpen hundreds of knives for a fraction of price of each. If you want to kill your passion, that's the fastest way to do it.

Sharpening weapons is where it's at. Falchions, machetes, katanas etc. The Ken-samas who own them will pay any money to make sure their sword is up and working again. It's not an easy work tho, one wrong move and it goes to shit. The worst are saberfags. They aren't straight.

Then goes sharpening various tools such as shovels for example. Yes, a good shovel must be sharp to dig well, most people completely ignore that part and even let it rust. Once its rusty, there is little I can do. Surprisingly, there is also a demand from baits: contrary to what some people think, the art of catching a fish is not just about finding a good lure, but the hook must be sharp too. Else the fish will get away.

>>49533176
We were lucky tho. Could be worse. The pecking order goes like that: tran, tranny, the tranniest. Pray you don't meat the last one.

>>49530014
There's a bunch in Osaka around the Nipponbashi area, that's the otaku-y part of the town

>>49534427
This shopping area still exists there today, I was wandering it just a few months ago

>>49530634
You’re not a woman.

>>49490904
it smells like i want to get bullied by them

>>49531383
>waifuism servers

can you recommend me some? Looking for a place to hang out with other autistic anons as jp went to shit, as proven by this thread

>>49534408
>>49534414
>>49534418
>>49534423
>>49534427
I miss it

>>49529923
Travel the world(or Asia at least) and learn that 'prostitution' is a huge and very nuanced spectrum.
Many women are involved all sorts of transactional relationships involving sex.
A lot of them wouldn't even consider themselves prostitutes.

>>49539530
Anon it's not that deep, if you pay for it it's prostitution.
>>49529923
Most cosplayers i've met were mentally ill, so no you dont.

>>49528678
..................................... you can rent elves?
Lads.....

>>49499373
you guys are acting like this while on twitter you can see tons of otakus rooms with tapistery and dakimakura everywhere. Its just more focused on hololive nowadays.

>>49536837
Unfortunately, but the only server I am still on is pretty much dead anyway. I am not that much into off-chan communities to be honest.
Maybe you could try to get into 4+4chan /mai/ server, it seems active. I haven't been there personally so I can't guarantee quality though.

>>49540145
>hololive
hololive is LIES
behind the beautiful and pure 2D lies abhorrent 3DPD
I can't support such a thing

>>49540145
It's not about the rooms. It's about the 2D love and complexes that old otaku had. Something that vtuberfags are incapable of having.

>>49515993
Why does this read like a chatgpt post

>>49541669
see >>49533034

>>49541669
Because it is.

>>49541077
This.
vtuberfags are just online idolfags. These people are not in love with fictional, 2D characters, they just have oishis. Although there is nothing wrong with that by itself, their feelings and relationship is not as serious and long lasting as people with a waifu.

>>49529150
Beautiful picture.

>>49540145
There's quite a difference between OP's pic and yours

You can see hand-drawn shikishi and framed works. Oldschool otaku liked to get actual drawings by their favorite artists and cel drawings from the anime they like. This way they actually own a piece of their favorite media. It's not just mass-produced garbage, it's one-of-a-kind actual part of the anime.
Locally made shirts and jackets with their favorite characters, a bunch of posters from magazines they subscribed to and events they went to. The manga and books in the back are piled up for reading, not for display. They have their dakimakuras out and in their arms, where they belong.

Your pic is cheaply-made and mass-produced rubbish neatly arranged in a shelf so someone could show it off to people online. Especially the vtuber currently looking at the picture in frame.
The otaku of old cared not about showing off, the items were for THEM to look at
Now fans make "shrines" for characters purely to show to others about how "elite of a fan" they are. There was a time when it was more about how dedicated you were to said character, but it's changed.

Vtubers are subhuman shit
Please just shut the fuck up

>>49542084
well said especially the last two sentences

>>49539968
of course it ain't deep, jap girls got small cunts and they are very tight

>>49542084
There's a decent chunk of them who are real otaku in that sense. Like the ones who make fumo joke pics or those couple of guys of Miko's who make their own figures from scratch and apparel referencing a stream made the same day.

>>49529150
He's me

>>49529566
>You have the "luxury" of being able to be a complete ghost, which in turn makes you less engaged and passionate about otaku culture as a whole, since you lack the feeling of belonging and community.
>Fansites and doujin works would also thrive more if nuOtaku didn't have a tendency to isolate whenever the opportunity arises and would be more consciously aware of how their refusal to participate disconnects them from their passion.
Yeah thats spot on, I hate socializing but never doing it also feels too lonely, being forced to just a bit isnt bad
>>49529923
Thats the only chance tho
>>49530003
Hand more than enough for that, doll cant give companionship, its a scam
>>49530859
>because otaku just didn't really care about what would come tomorrow
>i can't even lay the blame completely at their feet either. it's hard to live with such foolish bravado when the world is actively burning around you.
Its harder to avoid the real world when its constantly pushed on you even online, the internet basically just became real life once smartphones took off, and also, even if you try your hardest to ignore everything, well I hope you're not in Texas, or France or the whole EU soon etc, its kinda hard to not care in any capacity about the outside world when you're soon gonna be at risk of getting raped in prison for watching anime some 70yo lawmaker decided is CP. I hate it so much but even aside growing up its becoming really hard to not care about the outside world when the outside world very much cares about and is coming for the anime and games and the internet now.
>>49539968
>Most cosplayers i've met were mentally ill, so no you dont.
and so are we so

>>49530009
>Interviews
You do know that english oriented channel only interview people that fits their narrative?
>Interviewing a fantia e-thot
>Interviewing a prostitute
>Interviewing a rent-girlfriend
They all focus on the worthless people instead of the average japanese person. So they can make you believe Japan is ok with these things that the channel owner supports.

>>49549764
stop lying i already fucked seven girls in soaplands

>>49529183
kuroyukihime

These guys have been vindicated, looking at idubbz, it's far better to hug a body pillow than to be humiliated by a woman who only tolerates your existence as her bf

>tranime troons are troons
No surprise

>>49549786
Brothels exist everywhere in the world. It doesn't mean everyone goes to them.

>>49530940
>The world may be burning, but that’s exactly when we need idealists the most. Not the reality-hating otaku Miyazaki talked about, but the ones who love reality enough to demand it be better.
>I’m not saying you run for governor or whatever. The Otaku of the past, even just by creating art, DID improve reality because they introduced through their art the philosophy of all true Otaku; that is, the standard of a Perfection.
Well said

>>49517859
4-ch is a ghost town. Always has been. The only successful attempt at bringing vipper culture to the west was saovq and it still felt forced and gay.

It was all bout the real MOE culture
Honda Toru philosophy has died even for 4ch

https://itest.5ch.net/hayabusa9/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1538162443

There is a concentrated effort to gentrify and kill moe subculture by big whigs and the transnational institutions.

>>49530405
>It would probably devolve into some cringy sex orgy with muh feelings drama mixed in.
I've seen this shit play out so many times I wonder if this was an inevitability rather than the ruling zeitgeist seeping into otaku spaces.
>Many of the modern otaku literally don't even know what 3DPD means
Holy shit you have no idea how many times I've been called an *ncel for explaining to newfags what 3DPD meant. They're all vtuberfags on /vt/ and /vg/ so it checks out.

>>49542084
>Now fans make "shrines" for characters purely to show to others about how "elite of a fan" they are.
This was always the case let's not kid ourselves here.

>>49549656
>the internet
You have no right to complain if you can't even spell Internet correctly.

>>49555585
>Implying that vfags are Otaku
Vtumors are just glorified normie idols

>>49555766
NTA but what are you talking about?? Where’s the typo

True otaku culture moved on to vtubing.

>>49558185
That's just idol culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch/Kp-CodRkaqk

There was always a rift between 2D lovers and idol lovers

The 2D otaku used to make fun of idol fans

>>49556918
>Where’s the typo
Please tell me this is bait.

>>49531317
Don't listen to them, Homu-tran. I think your chuuni nature is cute and endearing. You sound like a very intelligent and interesting girl and it's a shame people will always be so hostile, though it seems like you handle the heat just fine. I'm glad we share an online space.

>>49561517
>'s a shame people will always be so hostile
He is the most hostile person ITT

>>49540853
so from the beginning your entire argument was you've never seen trannies in any online space for otaku, but the only spaces you frequent are small dead discord servers and anon imageboards?

>>49556760
>>49558185

I've never seen anyone into vtubers who wouldn't be a normie, this shit is aimed at pinoy teens with a knock off smartphone
and one of the reasons why I lost interest in /jp/, vtubers are cancer
arguably idol culture is cancerous too, but vtubers somehow made it much, much worse. I think they are less comparable to idols and more to normie streamers and they share the target audience.

>>49555585
I was called an incel too which is just hilarious, as if these people thought a little bit about what incel means they would realize how retarded they are, incel means someone who wants to fuck but can't, a person who rejects 3D world and has no desire for sex even if they could is the opposite of incel
I once pointed out how disgusting girls running around without pantsu irl would be, the underwear and menstrual pads are there for a reason, and for pointing that out I was called an incel.
But the issue with incels is that they fetishize female bodies, they want to stick their dicks into them and build their entire self worth on being or not being able to do so, disgusting.
Incels are failed normies who infiltrated otaku culture not because they actually are passionate about our hobbies, but because someone told them we are all based and redpilled misogynists and they can say nigger here without getting banned, point in case:
>>49531285
for this guy getting cancelled is the worst thing imaginable and he bring real life politics related to tranny issues into this otherwise nostalgia driven thread, I assure you he hasn't been here 10 or certainly 15 years ago, most of these tourists flooded us within last 7 or so years (since kekistani shit when 4chan started getting a reputation for being a right wing hangout)

>>49561654
No. You misunderstood my posts.
>you've never seen trannies in any online space for otaku
Wrong, it doesn't even make any sense. We are in an online space for otaku and there are definitely some trannies around here.
I was only talking about imageboards adjacent waifuism communities. Which are arguably the quintessence of 3DPD, and these had no trannies on them.
>but the only spaces you frequent are small dead discord servers and anon imageboards
At this point? Yes. However I have had waifu for over a decade and been in quite a few different communities during that time. Still, all were smaller discords and IRCs related to specific threads or boards.

>>49490598 (OP)
>>49528946
>>49529150
>>49529784
>>49559234
Instead of fighting about all this stupid modern shit post some more comfy related pictures and videos

>>49530405
to add to that, they also forgot what shiposting is. And ironic shitposting. These concepts seemingly disappeared from otaku culture. You have to explain things to people which ruins the funny.

i dont get people defending shitposting since all people do nowadays is ironic shitpost, they know nothing beyond irony and they can only shitpost because they dont know anything substantial enough to hold on their own

>>49558753
more like idiot culture

>>49565908
This can't be real, cats can't grow that big

>>49570833
You sure?

>>49570805
Why?

>>49531446
>you sound evil as fuck
Yeah reading posts like his reminds me why I should dislike trannies way more, they always exploit any goodwill, like destroying a good thread like this to justify their delusions

I'm not going to pretend I know a thing about how the old days were because it was before my time but I will continue to lurk

>>49508572
Basically this, the entire culture got raped, pretty much like japanese culture ever since anime became mainstream, just take a look at tokyo and their immigration/tourism problem

You know what japan think of the sakura tree right? about how life and beauty is ephemeral? Just be happy that you enjoyed while it lasted, because now is gone.

>>49574689
>anon says there are no trannies in community
>a tranny comes out
>gets asked (mostly unrelated to the thread) questions
>answers the questions
>is accused of destroying the thread by the same person who asked these questions
How do you call this tactic?

>>49542084
Oh this reminds me. Some anime figure collector told me he doesn't understand how any one could collect "gooner" figures as apparently the purpose of having fumos, nendos, figmas and other such is to show them off to other people. Why have a figure that is too sexualized that you would be embarrassed to show it to others?

At this point, I felt really sad, because it is yet another reminder of how otaku culture have changed. I have several dozen anime collectibles all around me, I never felt the need to make photos of them and show them off on the internet. Just being there for me is enough. But look how attention whoring on social media took over otaku culture, like a plague. I want to go back to older times, before social media were a thing.

>>49550542
One could go as far as to say these days it's less humiliating to hug a pillow in public than be with a 3DPD

>>49576260
That's not how it played out at all.

>>49561640
>>49561517
>>49574689
>>49576260
>>49578905
why are you trying to bait the tranon back, last they responded was over a week ago

zunbar or something

>>49576324
I collect figures and I also do not understand why would anyone get gooner figures. Not because I would be more embarrassed to show these, I literally do not care, but simply because it's just poor taste in my opinion. You are not going to support anime/manga that you like this way, you do not show love and respect to these characters, most of the time you don't even support any japanese company, you basically just celebrate your own sexual preferences in a very blatant way. If someone wants to do this, good for them, but I kind of look down on people like that in similar way I would look down on a normie who puts porno posters in their room.
Of course by gooner figs I mean these random full nude or explicit OC figures, not official suggestive figures from some ecchi shows. These are fine imo.

>>49580589
>OC figures
They could be supporting the artist who designed the character for the figure. Having a figure of your favorite artist is a part of the appeal these explicit OC figures have.

>>49580650
Well, maybe I am missing something. But aren't these lewd figures just made by some random Chinese companies? Do these artists who design them do actual licensed works or is this just about supporting some sculptor who makes lewd figures? If they just make them, then I don't really see much difference between putting posters of porn stars in your room because they make porn you like.

>>49580683
Most lewd figures are based off an already existing illustration which then gets picked up and turned into a figure by these chinese companies and people who loved the original illustration and the artist behind it are part of the target audience for these figures.
>Do these artists who design them do actual licensed works
Some of them do but people who do this are buying as fans of the artists themselves.

>>49508572
Legitimately, one of the realest comments I've come across.

PASSION is the keyword here and I'm convinced most people haven't experienced, have forgotten due to life's responsibilities(most straightforward, accurate answer tbqhwyf), or overestimate their own approximation of understanding what PASSION entails.
It's what really separates the wheat from the chaff and I don't think you can explain 100% the intensity and naunce of emotions and thought processing that goes into being THAT into something where its like it simultaneously warms/burns you alive.

This could just be projection or mere personal ignorance, because I literally had no clue beforehand. No clue whatsoever
LMFAO

As previously mentioned, not everyone is privileged with such freedom to pursue, NEETbux, or an easy job to where they're able to run wild and lock-in.

>>49581086
Do the chinese companies even pay the artists who made these illustrations?

>>49581265
They have to be getting some kind of commission from it since they're the ones getting approached.

>>49529957
You'd be surprised at how many japanese moe otaku ended up becoming right wing trolls.

>>49576324
being embarrassed about your hobby sounds like a you problem. My gooner figs are out in the open and no ones ever given an actual fuck because people know who i am and what i like. If you hide your actual self from friends in some attempt to be perceived as a normalfag, then its no wonder they react when you show glimpses of your true self

>>49580650
>>49580683
I have like a 1000 games, 200anime blurays or dvd and a room full of official figs. just cuz i buy some unofficial lewd figs doesnt mean im still not running circles around you (and 90% of this board) when it comes to supporting he original devs

>>49584949
I am not accusing you of not supporting the industry.

>>49584927
Melonpan fucking lost his banking job because they discovered her otaku haul. You literally have to hide your powerlevel in order to be allowed to participate the economy.

>>49588084
Melonpan is an unironic exhibitionist on twitter. Also nazi cosplays and jokes. His otaku stuff is pretty mid in comparison to the rest of his activity.

>>49588084
>her
I'm going to kill myself
>>49588097
He wasn't unceremoniously fired from his previous bank job because of his nazi antics. It was the "underage anime figurines" he owned that got him booted off.

>>49588103
>underage anime figurines
Where did you read about that?
On his twitter he posted that his twitter was discovered and that it's his images and videos that he uploads that damage his reputation. And attached bunch of his naked photos.
https://x.com/MeidocafeR/status/986945058229374976
https://x.com/MeidocafeR/status/987628458116308992

>>49588122
>Where did you read about that?
He never said it outright but he pretty much implied its because of his hobby.
>he posted that his twitter was discovered and that it's his images and videos that he uploads that damage his reputation.
He never said it was the nazi shit that got him fired. It was probably him being an an otaku and an exhibitionist.

>>49540892
It's so sad seeing my otaku brothers obsessing over and worshipping 3DPD

>>49588122
He won't be able to get another job. It's time for him to sell his collection to survive. RIP that motherfucker.

>>49589859
Literal nazis get hired without problem nowadays, by other nazis and right wingers. And otaku won't have any problem finding work for other otaku. Neither is a deal breaker or career ending outing, especially nowadays when far right came to power in several countries usa included.
I wish attention whore like melonpan suffered but lets be real here. >>49588122 this is just more attention whoring from him for clout


>>49584927
What do you mean, out in the open? My figures are "out in the open" too meaning in my house, but no one will ever see them because why would other people be in my house. What kinda normalfag shit is this?

>>49589905
My lewd figs are next to my regular figs. Friends and family see them. My collection is so big i have my figures spread across two rooms, and that second room is also used for miscellaneous storage by family so they get seen occasionally. Friends tend to walk up to new lewd pieces and examine them, then thats that. Family just completely ignore them. Just another one of my baubles to them

>>49540145
Oozora Subaru has almost convinced me to get merch.

>>49576324
>the purpose of having fumos, nendos, figmas and other such is to show them off to other people
i really wish we did a better job of gatekeeping piece of shit normalfaggots

>>49589917
>friends and family

Fuck off normalfag

>>49589948
we could never do this, because it's not up to us. for companies who produce such merch normalfags are a great source of income, so they would find a way to market them to them no matter what we did. it's the rise of smartphones and social media that made all this attentionwhoring possible. nothing we can do about that with gatekeeping

>>49589960
NTA, but having contact with your family and some friends does not automatically make someone a normalfag. Being a normalfag is a mindset and it is totally possible to share it while also being a friendless loser who doesn't talk to his family(like the failed normalfag archetype that anons have discussed early).
If you are really passionate about what you like, you won't care what others think.

>>49590342
not caring what others think doesn't make you non a normalfag it just means you are rich

>>49528399
its because they want to be the cute girls anon, not bang them.

>>49590434
>not caring what others think doesn't make you non a normalfag
Sure, but caring does make you a normalfag. I don't see how does that mean you are rich but whatever.
The point is, having some friends and contact with your family does not make you a normalfag. Making your life all about them and getting/maintaining social status/approval/conformism is what makes one a normalfag.
Paradoxically, having strong passion and not giving a fuck can actually make an interesting person. If you just do your own thing and are not some failed normalfag afraid of others judging you, it really is not that uncommon to find people who would like to listen about things you obsess about. Both other otaku as well as more normal people.

>>49590649
The point is you don't belong here, you are the definition of normalfag. A person who makes their entire life about maintaining their social status is ironically more respectable then you because in their obsession they are certainly not normal, but your "have friends but not overdo it, have family but don't dedicate too much" is the most normal shit ever, it's how most humans live their lives

>>49590484
if you recognize cute girls as cute and beautiful that obviously means you would like to be cute and beautiful too, why would you accept yourself to be some ugly man when looking in the mirror, that must be painful af

>>49590812
>The point is you don't belong here
Whenever you think I belong here or not is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
We are talking about that anon who has contact with his friends and family and whenever that makes him a normalfag.

>your "have friends but not overdo it, have family but don't dedicate too much"
That wasn't my point. Try to read my posts more carefully.

>>49590817
>why would you accept yourself to be some ugly man when looking in the mirror
Because 3D is PD. You can worship perfect 2D cuties without obsessing over your 3D body. Stop trying to normalize tranny delusions.

>>49591421
you can never be as great as 2D, but you can at least try instead of giving up. I believe in you, anon-chan!
at the very least when you talk you don't have to hear a disgusting, manly voice, sound area is something 2D and 3D has in common, right?

>>49591681
You disgust me.

>>49579597
What's that guy up to these days, he's got to be like 40 years old now

>>49591681
Your propensity to associate masculinity with being “disgusting” is quite disturbing, anon. Don’t get poisoned by this Gynocentric society

Where did everyone go though? I mostly hang out in the /vn/ generals and sometimes /a/ and /v/. But off-site is just normalfags. All I can think of is 4x2 but they seem pretty dead. Is it really over? I don't want it to be but maybe I should go offline.

>>49508572
>Implying the Otaku NEET shut-in lifestyle wasn't always escapism and a gateway into severe mental illness, loneliness, and dissatisfaction with life.
You're completely full of shit. On a physiological level, staying indoors the great majority of the time/forever and shying away from socialization is a death trap. If you've spent any good amount of time on actual Otaku or /jp/-adjacent communities you'd know that mental illness, loneliness, and obsession are rampant. Its exceedingly rare to find someone who qualifies as an Otaku that isn't anything mentioned previously.
Why do you think hierarchies form on ANONYMOUS imageboards where people act like smug assholes towards the other people most like them because simply because they've watched more chinese cartoons? Is it just for fun, or is it because the people on these sites feel as though they lack control and agency and end up defining themselves by these particular subjects?

>>49499552
i didn't replace shit

The answer is simple anons, learn jp and escape western communities. Western discussion has been permanently tainted, due to a mix of politics, irony, normal fags and techno orientalism. Sure some western discussion can be okay sometimes but its generally done for. Learn jp and interact with your fellow jp otaku, never return to the western side ever again and eventually forget that it ever existed or go offline.

>>49540145
The fact that all of my hobbies are now always being associated with these shitty e-girls with normalfag audiences is so tiring.

>>49593709
Have you done this? What are japanese communities like?

>>49593660
>Implying the Otaku NEET shut-in lifestyle wasn't always escapism and a gateway into severe mental illness, loneliness, and dissatisfaction with life.
Where did he implied that?

>You're completely full of shit.
If you start your post like that, it sounds like you are the one who is full of shit here.

>>49593033
sorry I glorify little girls, not little boys and certainly not sweaty, hairy men

>>49594669
No one cares what flavor of 3DPD you like, you normalnigger.

>>49594743
who said I was talking about 3DPD, I want to become as close to 2D ideal as I can irl, even if not everything is possible
think about it
being stuck in 3DPD flesh is bad enough, but it's even worse if that flesh is ugly or otherwise defective, right?

>>49595116
>who said I was talking about 3DPD
You. Even in the very next sentence.

>>49595129
3DPD striving to emulate 2D, yes, but it's not the same as being attracted to 3D! 3D is still pig disgusting from my pov, I'm just doing damage control!

Example: Both human beings and ball jointed dolls are 3D. But only humans are PD! Striving to being bjd irl is a worthy goal to pursue! Can't wait for tech to have fully synthetic doll like bodies desu

>>49595163
Tranny cope

>>49510498
Well as much as normalfags have poisoned the net, their twisted version of the internet he has in turn poisoned society at large. Schadenfreude makes it more bearable.

>>49593660
>Implying the Otaku NEET shut-in lifestyle wasn't always escapism and a gateway into severe mental illness, loneliness, and dissatisfaction with life.
who the FUCK are you quoting, dude

Why are western specifically american "otaku" so sick in the fucking head. Being an autistic sperg is one thing but why are they so obsessed with identity and politics...

>>49596909
California was unfortunately the ground zero of otaku culture in America. Whatever the cultural trends happening in Cali, it will also seep through the subculture in North America purely by its proximity.

i was hoping the thread would be full of more comfy pictures and the like. i had a folder that had a few pictures of otaku from back in the day, but that laptop has long died, and i lost a lot of those...

>>49597849
i wonder if posting pictures of our own rooms would be in poor taste, also

i saw some people in the thread say that it's like showing off, but the way i see it, some people just like being open about it and sharing it with anyone who might be interested. nothing inherently wrong with that, i don't think

>>49597853
this one's more humorous than comfy, but still wanted to share because i like it lol

I have a request and this seems like as good a thread as any to ask. Does anyone have that picture of this guy getting his computer blessed by a shrine maiden? A friend shared it with me a long time ago and I have never been able to find it...
I remember it was like a two part image kind of like >>49597857 with different angles of the maiden blessing the computer. Any info would be greatly appreciated thank you.

>>49588084
The oppression is only about to get much worse in the west, look at all the "porn" bans going on rn (its about total thought/speech control ofc with everything else like anime caught in the middle)
>>49589960
Get a job in big tech in the early 2000s and sabotage the development of the iPhone, Android and facebook
>>49596909
Being outraged about politics is basically the entirety of modern american culture sadly
>>49597849
Yeah, shame half of it was wasted on retarded arguments, should have a new thread

>>49530006
>no, who am I kidding, newfags were people like me who joined the fanbase around 2010, now I am one of the last surviving ancients

I joined in 2009, there will always be newfags
The difference is that back then, we had primaries and secondaries, most /jp/ people were just secondaries, but nowadays you have tertiaries who care even less about the subject material and just go with trends rather than getting invested in Touhou as a subculture

Arguably, both secondaries and tertiaries are garbage (no offence), but tertiaries are a worse kind of garbage because they do not care

(This is my first post in 10 years here btw, i'm just randomly feeling nostalgic for my "old stomping grounds", so please excuse me if my posting style is a bit out of date)

>>49508572
>PASSION
Wish I had that honestly, but I just have a lot of apathy sadly

>>49597853
lmao at that tate

I mean you can show off a bit and people can still appreciate it, the problem is when you get annoying at showing off an spam shit.
But idk I guess everything is showing off and le bad nowadays, so you aren't supposed to share your hobbies because idk reasons. I feel like haters have increased over time and that disliking stuff makes your opinion more refined or whatever... Not like there wasn't any hate in the past but it seems to just get worse over time.

>>49595163
I think effort would be better set in drawing and making 2d girls. 3d flesh imitating 2d drawings seems like a sisyphean task imo.

What is this thread opinion on gacha being proclaimed as the savior for otaku culture ? I've seen that a lot for Blue Archive.
I can't be the only one that feel there's something off with gacha. Most of them doesn't feel authentic and are just made to milk money rather than passion.

>>49600361
The devs working on gacha games really are passionate (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqWRhSQG1RY).
But still, it's sad to see gacha games dominate otaku culture. Like you said, they're made to milk money. I don't want the future of otaku media to involve having MTX shoved in your face at every step.

>>49576324
There has always been a marginally large side of collectors doing it just to show off, no matter the era. Even if social media wasn't much of a presence, there was always that desire to "look like a fan" to fit into a certain group. Even back then most collectors didn't watch most of the anime they had or read many of the vns they owned. This isn't just a thing particular to the western community, a lot of the 2000s japs posted here most likely haven't consumed even a quarter of what they own and show in their photos.

It's just human nature to care about crafting an image, the genuine hardcore fans who actually don't care about that shit are extremely rare.

>>49600279
sorry, nowadays AI can draw 2D girls so I don't have to. Besides if it's an existence separate from myself, it has no meaning to me. I am only interested in increasing my own power, in improving myself. That's one thing I no one can take away from me. An image that exists seperate from me, on a hard drive? It's never part of me.

Now then. A psychic representation of that image in my inner world, that's a different thing. That's a me thing. But I don't need to draw it to see it and have it.

>>49600361
normalfags hate gacha but whale for gacha, ironic how it works....

>>49601674
they work and pay for gacha so we NEETS can play

>>49600361
If its considered otaku culture then its like the final nail in its coffin, gambling thousands on chinese AI generated soulless mobile slop, you can't really go any lower than that.
>>49601674
their addiction to wasting money gets the better of them, they just pretend to hate it in public bc its le degenerate.

>>49600361
something about korean and chinese media being lumped in really doesn't sit right with me. i wish there was more of a distinction between that and japanese media. "weeaboo" meant "JAPANophile" originally, i don't care about other countries...

also, obligatory gacha bad, but i think i'd mind it less if more...actual games came out of korea. i just dislike the whole gacha business model. i would say china also but i feel like people keep conveniently forgetting china (and korea, but to a far lesser extent) is kind of a hellhole for freedom of speech/expression so anything even close to the level of the stuff that comes from japan is just not possible unless their government gets overthrown

>>49601673
>Besides if it's an existence separate from myself, it has no meaning to me.
It's not bad to care for things other than yourself imo.
Would also say that aiming for "becoming perfect" seems really stressful way of living, especially if your target is physically imposible and that things that are more "doing" than "being" are more rewarding imo, writing and drawing are pretty fun... but idk if it helps you, go for it, it just doesn't seem worth it but whatever works for you

>>49598099
>Does anyone have that picture of this guy getting his computer blessed by a shrine maiden?
Literally google "shrine maiden blesses computer"

>>49601673
>so I don't have to
Hobbies are about doing things you don't have to.

>>49600361
idk, never got into gacha honestly. Really dislike the way of monetization and use of rng.
>>49601653
I guess at least that's nice.
>>49601674
I think it depens on the gacha. Genshin seems to be accepted by the general public while stuff like Blue Archive, Azur Lane(does that still exist?) seem to be frowned upon.
But there's also probs some projecting degen who are pretending to be puritans.
>>49593782
>all of my hobbies
games and anime/manga? Or do people associate them with more stuff?

>>49600361
Gacha players, especially the ones who play Chink gacha, are the raped of this subculture.