Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.

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Previous thread: >>49616670

>>49685657 (OP)
>3dpd
real thread doko?

RENA FIRST HIGU GIRL POSTED. THIS IS HER THREAD NOW

another one of this kyutie cuz y not

>>49686423
Why am I on the ground?

>>49686769
you tropped and fell

>>49686769
You're taking a low angle shot cause it's cool

The woman in the OP seems like she needs a steaming hot bath.

DAILY SATORIKA APPRECIATION IN THE NEW THREAD!!

>>49687265
This woman seems like she had her neovagina stitches undone the last time she had a shower.

>>49686057
>>49686059
Rena is best girl!

>>49688216
Even in Japan american politics take hold...

>>49691035
Never compare American politics to Troonppei's neovagina, "please".

am i safe now? can i spam rika finally

>>49691234
Sup ryko

>>49691201
I didn't compare them.

>>49691234
No.

Ryukishi is a lazy faggot

>>49691234
You are free.

>>49685657 (OP)
Happy birthday to my girls.

>>49694889
happy birthday!

>>49694889
HBD

>>49694889
Ooishis cumdump

>>49696268
But enough about Keiichi

>>49696268
Troonppei mentioned

Does anyone know where I can get the original umineko nowadays in japanese?

>>49696682
Who is she? Another Vier?

Okay, no offense, but I am almost done with Higurashi and it feels like a shitty, chinky Twin Peaks. You have a quaint, small town filled with interesting characters and what appears to be a straightforward murder mystery but there turns out to be supernatural shit and secret deranged government research. Not saying they can't both exist but I am not impressed.

Keiichi? Luckiest man in Hinamizawa.

>>49697795
You're not impressed because of surface level appearances? I like comparing Higurashi and TP myself but it's all completely different, there's a group of kid main characters and no agent Cooper (no Akasaka is definately not Cooper), you learn to doubt the village itself as early as chapter 1 while in TP the town is strange but from day 1 always has it's own trustworthy and good element. TP goes into the surreal in a way that Higurashi never does. Higurashi hones in on little details in a way that TP doesn't (probably cause it's a written medium and can have you read articles for hours).

There's no way you're a Twin Peaks fan.

>>49697795
You need to finish it to have a chance at really understanding what it's about, but I can tell you the point is not the mass virus plot.
If you're comparing it to Twin Peaks you need to really change your angle, because at no point is higurashi supposed to be about "the mystery".

>>49697100
featherine

>>49697100
Sheshart

>>49698424
too sexo

>>49699860
sheshart....where?

>>49698722
>>49698834
Focusing on the mystery or the ""horror"" elements of Higurashi means missing the point entirely.

>>49701860
I don't think so, you can have a go at Higurashi as a full mystery fan and have fun. You can acknowledge the moral messages and motivations and all the other stuff while maintaining "focus" on the mystery. It's just Umi that gets weird about it's own genre at the end.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/132538450

Umineko project or Witch hunt which is better?

>>49704297
Anime

>>49685657 (OP)
How'd you get a photo of me?

>>49685657 (OP)
how can the solution of this generated "closed room mystery" still be less of a letdown than the canon solutions we got to Umineko closed rooms?

>>49704297
I've only ever used witch hunt so IDK

@grok generate kiconia pt.2 make all the black ppl die

>>49706307
Because people don't want to admit that Ryukishi was a massive hack fraud and that they wasted years of their lives on badly written franchises that pander to women.

it's always the people who hate stuff the most who hang around the longest, huh

>>49698424
>>49699899
The Maebara-Houjou clan will dominate the village

>>49708822
>pander to women
How? I genuinely laugh at the retards who call it peak feminist writing, let's see
>Natsuhi
she murdered a child and a servant just because she couldn't bear children at the time, and she's form a high ranked family of priests. she always act like a delusional retard.
>Rosa
a child abuser and a literal whore, she actively went out of her way to neglect Maria instead of getting a babysitter? she's not smart to even get a proper business going
>Eva
a cutthroat piece of shit who was bitter to the very end, she's as bad as Kyrie
>Kyrie
a straight up yakuza figure, no better than her family
>Kumasawa
she's an accomplice and a piece of shit, only in it for the money
>Maria
an abused child with no real future even if she managed to survive
>Ange
pathetic
>Jessica
incompetent but arguably the most normal teenager out of the bunch
>Shanon/yasuda
a literal mentally deranged who actively formed romantic relationships with almost all the cousins
>the witches
all cruel bitches
>the servants
bitches
>the classmates
bitches

not a single female figure was show in good light, and the "trans figure" that Beatrice represent is of a literal second generation incest deformed baby and a fucked up mentally ill criminal.
yes it showed some of the struggles that women endured during that era, but the majority of female characters are psychopaths.

>>49708833
without hate/spite it cannot be seen

>>49708991
The boys are just depicted retarded and pathetic, the femoids are evil but at least they are intelligent.

>>49709916
then shouldn't troons praise chinese novels? in chinese writing the women are straight up psychopaths always scheming for only their benefit, men doesn't get to be competent unless they're the MC or the villain.

that being said, Kinzo is technically competent regardless of his delusions, Rudolf and Hideyoshi are somewhat okay, Genji would've been interesting if his compliance was explained a little bit further.
there's also Will, a perfect version of Battler.

>>49702441
The people who do this will disregard Higurashi and won't get any enjoyment out of it.
>That one e-celeb faggot

>>49702441
>and have fun
True you are greatly rewarded if you expect an actual mystery in Higurashi

Place your bets on tomorrow's 07th announcement
>1. Another Higu manga spinoff
>2. Non WTC original VN
>3. Umi manga reprint
>4. Phase 2 (lol)
>5. Umineko Anime Remake (lmao)

>>49713267
>6. fucking nothing

>>49713267
7. Ryūkishi coming out

>>49713267
Satoko will be deleted from all canon material.

>>49713267
Umineko Gou, Beatrice will come out as trans and it will be revealed that it's connected with the spinal cords and that it's all a simulation that ange helped funded with the Ushiromiya wealth with the trick ending being canon.

https://x.com/umineko_20th/status/1944773922001744194

And what's this

>>49713666
That would mean you have to delete Teppei, too, we can't have that, Satan.

>>49713914
Kill yourself

>>49708991
>without hate/spite it cannot be seen
Thank you for describe the true nature of Hackysi07.

>>49713914
Bold of you to consider that Troonppei won't 41% herself is Satoko is alive.

>>49713891
Umineko 20th anniversary twitter account, "Cafe Quadrillion". The name is not an actual cafe (?) apparently, just a reference to the "Kuwadorian".

>>49714695
So Ryukishi is giving up writing and opening a cafe? Great.

>>49714695
>Kuwadorian = Quadrillion
I feel like the dumbest gaijin ever.

>>49714695
I've read enough of The Last Church to know where this is going...

>>49714695
If a Japanese writer opens a cafe, he's a stupid, blind coward who hasn't recognized the obvious.
If there are already maid cafes in Spain, this in no way means that Spaniards have figured something out that the average Japanese child of man haven't.

https://youtu.be/cXC6rasajmo?feature=shared

>>49715163
a deconstruction of coffee, which means he personally comes and slams your face in a box of ungrinded coffee
he does this while crossdressing of course

>>49716977
Checked and
<Good!>

oh so basically this is just edgy tiktoker thread, weird and pretty disappointing.

>>49716977
raping erika

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2wt-SlkAcU

>>49704297
Neither. If you don't play vanilla you're reading fanfic

>>49708822
>>49708991
I think it has a more universal appeal because it's more honest about the actual challenges women face in society.
If anything I'd say Ryukishi is very humanist. Umineko's "how" is less important than the "why", which is why it filters people because they're used to dogshit anime and mystery tropes where everything is whisked away with Sherlockisms without any regard to the health of the world the mysteries take place in.

>>49719653
Anon
You're not allowed to praise Umineko in this thread

>>49717344
Umineko is the OP pic, what did you expect

>>49708991
>it's not good representation unless the women are heckin decent human beings
You're the mirror image of feminists.

>>49714695
>Umineko 20th anniversary
That's still a while from now, isn't it?

>>49719653
"Why" is extremely important in Sherlock's and Poirot's mysteries. In fact there's a certain Christie novel I absolutely love cause I actually guessed it based on the motive, figuring out the killer in that one was 90% motive.
I don't know what "health" of the world you're talking about but detectives are there to pick up the pieces of a tragedy that's already happened and piece it back together for justice. Famous detectives like Holmes show plenty of sympathy and care, but they can't restore what's lost. They can't do anything but find the truth, avenge the victim and protect who's left because they can't use magic to put people back together.

>>49719846
the higurashi ones are equally as bad it's clearly just the same normalfags over and over. they take photos of their desecrated figures covered in glitter and stickers with the thread visable in the background. which is a shame considering you're destroying figures for basically a dumbass photo op that no one will ever care about, probably smoking around them too so now the figures are not only worthless but smell like a nigger on top of it. new waves of these dumbass kids get brought into the trend too and never fuck off. it's like this no matter what kind of board you go on too. i gave up ever thinking the old ways would come back. these stupid role players have ruined every fucking place online you can go to. seriously fuck off already and stay in your dumbass discord servers. bring back loli gore porn and gate keeping so these dumbasses can't even look at this place anymore. fucking idiots.no one is gonna care you use fucking 4chan when it's basically just instagram feed at this point

>>49714429
Guess Keiichi will kill himself first, as he is the one that actually is trans since he crossdresses.

>>49717344
He (Keiichi) crossdresses, but she (troonppei) transitions.
No boy can be a match for a true trans queen <3

If Umineko happened 10-12 years earlier and within Higurashi's verse, would Satoko befriend Enje at St Lucia? As fellow loners failling to fit in.

>>49724210
what

>>49725077
Did I stutter?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1945742521252155788

>>49725618
No, but you missed.

>>49727336
Is this a convulted reference to the Hit or Miss viral marketing meme?

i can't believe i got tricked into reading 4000 pages of a gay/trans romance...

>>49728135
Ryukishi is the ultimate troll. I can't wait for Silent Hill f to come out. I'm expecting a good 8.5/10 game with multiple endings, the true ending being absolutely terrible and ruining the whole experience.

Ryukishi should write 4000 pages of a Satoko x K1 slice of life

>>49724451
Shion, Ange, and Satoko would bond over having the biggest tits at St. Lucia. Rika would be seething in the corner.

>>49724451
Satoko was deliberately not fitting in.

>>49724451
Satoko, Enje, sex with each other with maybe Shion joining in when they espace from St Lucia at night thanks to Shion's secret espace road while Rika watch from the corner happily.

>>49728448
>>49728751
satoko-enje combo...

>>49727420
No.

>>49728168
bet the f means faggot and it's about some gay people finding out their true gay feelings and doing gay shit

>>49731466
"The very adorable thing about nip women is how petite they are. I walked by some tourists during the summer and I was 3 heads taller than the tallest girl that was walking with a couple of her friends.
It was hilarious, I started following them for a couple of blocks and one could see how afraid they were of this massive beast coming towards them at a brisk pace. I started panting after a while and I could swear I heard one of them whisper "hidoi" out loud. I was hurt, so I screamed "OI, ONNA" at the top of my lungs (my voice's volume has been measured before and it reached 118 decibels) and then I turned around and left.
I fapped when remembering the events afterwards."
I hate this general so much

>>49728331
Old Ryukishi maybe, I don't trust modern Ryukishi when it comes to writing anything Satoko related in the slightest

sat

>>49731504
Angeltoko!

>>49731517
8D

Keiichi and Satoko sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G!

>>49731708
So cute....

>>49731788
... and so canon!

>>49731788
>>49732301
Based!

How would've things went if Rena asked Kasai for help with Rina and Teppei rather than killing them both herself? Would he have helped her?

>>49732853
His car just hanging around in Hinamizawa was enough to get the police on him, Kasai would probably be limited in what he could do even if he wanted to.
He probably would've just given her some advice or a warning on the path she's going down, I imagine he'd tell the twins and they'd learn of the state Rena was in..

>>49731296
Hanyuu watching Rika feasting on the spectacle that is sex between Enje and Satoko at St Lucia

>>49732989
Ange belongs to "Mammon's" fingers. It's a proper catholic school. Houjo-san crushed herself with the chandelier, it was metal.

>>49732853

>>49724451
>>49732989
What is this, lesbo jealousy fanfic? I honestly think you are severely underestimating Ange's autism, and overselling Satoko's (though that's' that anime's fault of course)

>>49708991
That Umineko women are shitty in realistic ways is why women like them. Back in the 60s/70s, Japanese feminists defended mothers who killed their children, and no, I'm not talking about abortion.

>>49735247
But enough about the real reason of the plot of Ciconia, and why still defending Japan to be closed minded is a bad idea.

>>49735247
I guess when you put it in perspective, the women in Umineko were slightly more competent and had way too much coverage, including the fact that the whole cast is imbalanced in the favor of women.

I don't think any man got the same attention and flashbacks beside Kinzo himself, and Battler is a child without much background to explore. Will is mostly Battler 2.0 and a vehicle for exposition.
>Genji, Gohda, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Nanjo, Krauss
didn't have much going on besides Krauss being a literal cryptobro.

In the end it was Ange's story and her closure, and was a shitty closure at that. Battler was still alive and nothing was done with it other than a huge disappointment.

>>49732853
Redeeming Rina on GouSotsu would've worked if the whole scheme with Teppei was presented as nothing but a delusion, and she was honestly a good woman but Rena got a L5 schizo attack that made her imagine everything.
Instead of Rina turning good out of nowhere like it happened.

>>49736213
>what if good characters were evil and bad characters were good?
Top 07th Expansion writer applicant

>>49736213
>Redeeming Rina on GouSotsu would've worked by changing absolutely everything about her character
lol get off the computer Hackukishi

>>49736267
>>49736270
Those 2 things are exactly what happened on Gou

>>49736213
Trying to redeem Rina was probably worse than Teppei, she tried to murder Rena for getting in the way of bleeding her dad dry. At least Teppei never tried to kill the Hojo kids, not that physical abuse is much better.

>>49737239
Why would they kill the hen with golden eggs?

>>49740342
smugka

>>49685657 (OP)

>>49740970
LMAO

>>49724451
Nah, Satoko was deliberately closing herself and avoiding getting tied to anything there. Note she didn't befriend the girl who was sympathetic to her in the special class either.

>>49735782
>In the end it was Ange's story and her closure, and was a shitty closure at that. Battler was still alive and nothing was done with it other than a huge disappointment.
Battler and Ange meeting again was closure for Battler, not the other way around. Ange for the most part had already moved on and lived her own life for decades before meeting him again.

can I get a QRD for how the japanese fans responded to the episodes as they got released?
I missed the shitshow, why does everybody say japan hated the final episodes while the west loved them more?

>>49742269
Usoda becomes a meme overnight
Tomitake furasshu!

>>49742527
Did japanese like the Shkanontrice reveal at all?

>>49742638
Most of them checked out after ep 6 so I'm guessing no

>>49742638
Not a Japanese fan, but from what I know, this artist dropped Umineko after ep 6 revealed that Shannon and Kanon weren't actually separate people.

>>49742965
Really? nobody cared abot Yasu/Shannon/Kanon gender being vague?
Ironically KinzoXBeatrice/chick is the only real Beatrice ship lmao

>>49743085
I think some people were pretty mad, calling it homoshit, etc.

>>49743085
In general they were angry at episodes 7 and 8 not making the answer completely explicit. Any issues about Beatrice's true gender were very small compared to the overall backlash about the truth not being unveiled.

>>49742638
>Did japanese like the Shkanontrice reveal at all?
Forget Beatrice's biological/birth gender being kept vague. I stopped liking Yasu and all of her personalities once they revealed that he (she?) went crazy because of a silly promise (joke) Battler made, and then triggered the Rokkenjima disaster. Her motivations were so stupid. Thank goodness for Erika and Lambda's existence, because by the end of the story, those two were definitely the girls I would've joined if given a choice. Trick master race all the way.

>>49743500
And I imagine critics being caricatured as mindless goats eating a story they don't understand didn't help

>>49743500
IIRC, just the episodes Erika was involved with were more or less answered... In the Ep 8 manga, not the visual novels.

I interpret that move as a sign of Ryukishi backpedaling on his decision to keep every episode's mysteries from being unveiled.

>>49733653
Mammon isn't real. Satoko and Rika exists.

>>49741724
Are you referring to Manga Satoko or Anime Satoko?

>>49716977
Umineko aged poorly when you realize that Kinzo is pretty much the Japanese Epstein — private island and rape included — with Beatrice complicating the situation in Rokkenjima by unveiling the bomb mechanism that blows up everything and everyone, including a little girl. And somehow, we are supposed to find the idea of the Golden Land romantic. Hell, EP8 straight up thinks that even freaking Japanese Epstein deserves a happy ending.

When you really think about it, Erika is right for wanting to find out the truth behind this mess and not endorsing the fantasy crap, nor deluding herself into thinking that this tale deserves a magical and happy interpretation. Kinzo, his offspring, and employees were fucking lunatics, and everyone who refuses to see them for what they were supports the idea of rape and incest acts not coming into light.

>>49744407
Anime Satoko was explicitly dismissive of St.Lucia and just waiting for Rika to get bored too.

Manga Satoko wasn't prickly like that, but once things started falling apart everything she could think about was just returning things to how they were in the past. So, effectively it's the same issue, just portraying her in a more likeable light.

>>49744185
Episode 7 of the manga basically answers all previous episodes with some extra text and iamges Will's scene where he destroys illusions gets.

Episode 8 manga then reveals the actual real world backstory and truth of the incident. Also includes scenes that frame the entire series (like most events being portrayed as Ange's dream after she falls on the protective net, or whole set up for Episode 1 with Beatrice awakening in the Golden Land after killing herself and then meeting a Battler that was "empty" who is then filled in with Episode 1 memories as the game starts, which is why it feels like Meta-Battler is pulled from Episode 1 specifically even though that isn't even the real world)

I think Umineko's popularity in Japan was always going to fall apart though. Not revealing the truth was just the last fuse for complaints, but in general the change of direction of the quesiton arcs, dropping the idea of Battler leaving back for his family and focusing on understanding Beatrice just didn't resonate with VN readers at the time at all. Its popularity already was falling through episodes 5/6. People loved Beatrice as a villain, not a weak victim.

>>49744137
>Her motivations were so stupid
this, Battler's sin doesn't make a goddamn sense to warrant such stupidity.
Should've been Yasu planing the murders and Battler surprise presence would throw a wrench in the plan, that the adults can have an advantage in a proper confrontation with Yasu. But instead we got a defeatist Yasu who gave up everything and died.

>>49744425
I find it stupidly funny how Beatrice simps ignore the fact that they are a mutilated incest abomination who tried to have a romantic relationship with all of the cousins, Maria and Ange excluded out of the mercy of age alone. Hell, it even recontextualise Shannon X George relationship because Yasu is the actual predator, but redditors keep bashing on George alone.

>>49744137
Dude, where I live some schizo killed a retailer over a melon he didn't want to pay for yesterday
not that Yasu's motivations make any more sense, but people irl kill over the dumbest shit

>>49744927
That's so lame, I think everything fell off after Battler stopped being the POV character practically when Bern controlled him. Gamemaster Battler is just not the same, nor blank weak beatrice. Chickatrice mimicking Beatrice also does not count.

I guess Ciconia was also received poorly too? how did R07 land work as the writer of Silent Hill F then? not that the franchise had any good writing most of the time.

I was extremely checked out when the tranny demons appeared with that awful voice acting, such an awful bloated cast. I guess you only really need Ronove and Virgilia, the stack and chiester sisters are so bad most of the time.
It's kinda trash that the only competent version of Battler is Will, and not Battler himself.

>>49745071
I've seen people who killed for less, but more often than not the kill is immediate, or the killer is a drug addict so logic doesn't factor anymore.
I could not say the same about a painfully planned massacre tho, people do not plan such murders over pity stuff, most of the time.

>>49745153
>how did R07 land work as the writer of Silent Hill F then? not that the franchise had any good writing most of the time.
Gerokasu did well enough in Japan to get a sequel. Also, Gou did revive Higurashi's mainstream popularity in Japan even if by the end of Sotsu many fans disliked it. We're still getting new -Sotsu-, specifically, branded merchandising years after the show ended (although it's mostly merch that could exist without the show at all aside from using the Akio Watanabe designs).

He should have included giant robots in Ciconia rather than Gauntlets if he wanted to go sci-fi.

>>49744927
>and focusing on understanding Beatrice just didn't resonate with VN readers at the time at all.
Even after all these years, his sudden shift into a total simp still doesn't make any sense.

>>49744425
I agree when it comes to Anime Satoko;
Manga Satoko though, I think she would give a chance to Enje, they share some tragedies (like dead parents) after all.

Kuma-chan sure is ruthless

Beato: Without love, it cannot be seen!

Erika: If love can lead to someone not wanting to expose the crimes of criminals like Jeffrey Epstein and The Monster of Amstetten, then I would rather be heartless. Sure, I was a bitch for ruining Maria's illusion, but at least I canonically wasn't planning to involve her in a mass suicide bombing, along with my 3 incestuous partners. Because of you, Maria's soul is stuck now in the same place as Kinzo's and yours, and somehow we are supposed to believe that this is a good thing.

The exposure of truth sometimes results in tragedy. However, no matter how tragic the truth may be, it would be an even greater tragedy to avert one's eyes from it.

>>49744164
If only you know how bad this thing with the goats is gonna to bite in the ass to Hackysi07 very soon anon...

>>49745071
Yeah, but would you read a eight-part billion-hour VN portraying melon schizo as a romantic hero and victim?

>>49745686
that would've made the evangelion aping too obvious

Jeez, the threads are lower than before Ciconia's announcement, with way less interesting posts...
What happened?

>>49747719
Gou

>>49746849
I feel sympathy for Ryu's magic, I really do.
BUT if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, it still fell. The world still exists outside your sight, just like the future and the past exist outside your immediate observation.
The truth lives alone, and there is only ONE TRUTH.

>>49744137
>they revealed that he (she?) went crazy because of a silly promise (joke) Battler made
The whole finding out you're an incest rape baby raised as the wrong gender thing might have played a part too, not sure.

>>49747790
You heard it right, folks. Anon is saying that being confused about your biological gender is enough justification to form an incestuous harem before committing mass suicide/murder, children included. Trans representation done right.

Yeah if I found out that I had a bazillion dollars and could do whatever I want and that the person I was obsessing over is actually my cousin nephew I think I'd probably just move on with my life but I guess that's because I'm not a retarded tranny living in a gook's self-jerkoff fantasy

>>49748029
If someone offered to give you 1 billion dollars, but they hack your cock off and you can never have surgery to fix it, are you taking that deal? Now imagine that they didn't give you a choice, and they live in your house from now on.

>>49747806
Where did I say anything about justification? There's no justification for mass murder, but it's not true that Yasu went crazy because of Battler's promise.

>>49748135
>there's no justification for mass murder
You just reminded me of Ryukishi's absolutely psycho retard "happy" ending for his (Lucia's) Rewrite route.

>>49747743
>The truth lives alone, and there is only ONE TRUTH.
This just reminded me that when writing Detective Conan references, he changes his tagline from "There's always only one Truth!" to "there are always two truths!". Erika is portrayed as a big Detective Conan fan, but you'd think that version would run against her beliefs.

>>49747719
Is that really a bad thing?
If you want content, play the Layton crossover game and post theories while playing.
https://youtu.be/fiJ7JwwlG6o

>>49685657 (OP)
You guys didn't tell me Ozzy's wife was a Battler cosplayer.

fucking my plapmeat (ange)

Do you know Oyashiro-sama?

>>49755092
Yes Hinamizawa!

Hinamizawa-chan is so kyute

>>49753872
My favorite gay couple

>>49746849
>but at least I canonically wasn't planning to involve her in a mass suicide bombing
Erika is a bitch for being a literal criminal and decapitating 6 people, including Maria, then finishing the Epitaph on her own.
Erika is a fucking retard and a criminal.

>>49757029
>decapitating 6 people, including Maria, then finishing the Epitaph on her own.
What a legend.