Thread 49800540

From the July 31st drunk radio stream:
>As I get older, even the smallest of task become harder to do and take more energy. I also feel like I have to do things more properly than when I was younger. Like there's no point in doing things the way I did back then.
>I don't even have energy to burn anymore. Even when I finish things, it doesn't feel over. It's just "ah, I don't have to make anymore."
>I don't mind the idea of suddenly dying. It's better than growing old and turning senile. It's probably hard on the people around you, though.
>The problem with having a series is, when you have a series, the sequel has to be bigger than the first one. And if you keep escalating, it'll eventually all fall apart.

This could be a sign that Mima is returning

>>49800551
ZUN is going to reincarnate into Gensokyo...

>>49800540 (OP)
>The problem with having a series is, when you have a series, the sequel has to be bigger than the first one. And if you keep escalating, it'll eventually all fall apart.
wasn't this the exact rhetoric that led him to scale back down after IN?

>>49800540 (OP)
Honestly anons, this isn’t just regular creative burnout or getting old. These are legitimate clinical depression flags and it’s genuinely concerning. ZUN gave us this incredible world and characters we all love, and now he’s trapped watching it become bigger than he ever wanted while feeling dead inside about it.
Compare this to early ZUN interviews where he’d get excited talking about Marisa’s personality or some random spell card concept. Now it’s just “I have to make another one” with zero passion. The guy who created the concept of “everyone in Gensokyo can be happy” doesn’t seem to believe happiness exists for himself anymore.
This is a man who genuinely sounds like he’s given up on finding joy in anything. The series that brought millions of people happiness is now just an obligation he can’t escape from.
Maybe I’m reading too much into drunk rambling, but these quotes hit different. ZUN deserves better than feeling trapped by his own creation. Gensokyo should be a place of wonder, not a shackle.
/blog but seriously, I hope someone close to him is paying attention to this stuff.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

it's fine, he just need to take it easy.

>>49800571
>maybe I'm reading too much into drunk rambling
more than that, you're reading too much into google translated drunk ramblings

>>49800592
I hope so, for his sake

>>49800571
If it makes it any better, he has claimed to have put his heart and soul into making TH20. So it might just be him being exhausted from it.

>>49800638
I think he says stuff like this after he finishes making a game, and has done for a few years. He's in his late 40s now, so stuff like 'things take more energy' and 'I don't have the same energy to just keep going non-stop' isn't exactly a surprise to say.
Obviously solo developing a game in your 40s is more tiring than doing it in your 20s

>>49800654
Maybe it's time for Team Shanghai Alice to become an actual team?

>>49800671
i mean he already collabs with twilight frontier every once in a while

I feel like zun should just take a break, or quit entirely.
If he doesn't care about the series or working on it stresses him out, then what's the point?
The result of this is that the games have been getting worse, the music staler, the art(somehow) worse and zun getting less and less interested in the series.
As the other anon mentioned, he's in his 40s, and at this age your priorities are completely different from when you were in your 20s.
So I'm not that surprised that he doesn't treat Touhou as his passion project as he used to, he just treats it as a way to get bread on the table.
So I kinda wish he'd step back for a bit, and reevaluate whether it's worth continuing or whether he should just quit.

>>49800571
Is anyone really asking for more games with 6+ new characters each?
Considering how most newer characters get ignored and forgotten.... it just keeps bloating the touhou cast

Yeah getting old is the worst
Fuck this world
Also ZUN should make a final 2hu and let fans take over or something

>>49800698
tasofro is dead now....
>>49800818
>endless eosd remakes
yeah no

>>49800818
>let fans take over
This should never happen to any ip ever.

>>49800540 (OP)
You might be on to something...
The last few years he's done things that would have made his younger self shaking his head in disdain.

>>49800818
This is on par with selling your ip to Kathleen Kennedy.

>>49800818
>Also ZUN should make a final 2hu and let fans take over or something
I wonder what would happen if ZUN straight-up said, "this is the final official game"?
I'm guessing we would get an explosion of fangames, with people trying to recapture the magic of ZUN. some would be popular and might get sequels, but most touhou fans would probably move on from touhou after that.

>>49800849
EoSD SUPREMACY

>>49800996
What?

>>49800540 (OP)
No wonder why the new printworks and games are absolute skub. The man is mentally exhausted and can't do good shit anymore.

Touhou 15 was the last game for me, anything past that is sloppy.

>>49800540 (OP)
Doesn't sound like depression to me, I think stuff like this all the time at the ripe old age of 42.

>>49801434
Seems like general malaise and/or midlife crisis
ZUN needs a vacation in a beach house in Okinawa

>>49801226
AI.

>>49800540 (OP)
This is nothing more than trying to come to terms with getting old and doing it in a public way. Getting old fucking sucks.

>>49801464
You got me.

>>49800540 (OP)
Right on brother, that's how I've felt my entire life.

>>49801357
Nah, Hidden Star in Four Seasons was the last good game.
>>49800540 (OP)
He should unironically just go back to releasing a single game every three years.

>>49800787
The series is something he does in his free time, always has been. Now the thing is, he have nothing else to do beside making games and musics

>>49800540 (OP)
He should’ve stopped making games and just made LE like Conan by let other writers throw in permanent filler to keep fans happy, lol. Meanwhile, he could enjoy retirement on his beer industry money
People are stuck playing 6–12 anyway

>>49801817
Nothing kills passion faster than scheduling and deadlines.

>>49801832
>People play
LMAO, if they do BeatMario wouldn't be shilling the original game so fucking hard DAILY. The man has been trying to get people to play the game for almost 10 years at this point to no avail
Regarding this, ZUN literally say
>People said Touhou 20 was too hard, but not like those same people would play the game if I make it easy anyway, so might as well make beating it worth bragging about
He know people is not playing shit

>>49800540 (OP)
I will confess I view a certain number of Touhou games to be glorified filler products, but that doesn't devalue his masterpieces.
Besides, according to him, this whole project was an excuse to push his music albums, and at that it's far exceeded expectations.

>>49801357
What the fuck is it about LoLK that make it so many people "last good game"? It wasn't even the end or beginning of a new generation, it was the 2nd modern game after DDC
I am really curious about this, because I would rather think it's because the fan were leaving for more popular franchise at the time, coupled by LoLK marking the end of "1 game a year" schedule for ZUN
I remember everyone genuinely thought LoLK was the last game until ZUN dropped HSiFS

>>49801842
a japanese friend of mine tells me that no one there plays the original games anymore, mostly because kids don't have personal computers (instead using their phones to play the LW gacha) and because the 6-8, the typical starting point of the series and the most famous entries, typically cannot be played without pirating them, and it seems that piracy is tantamount to blasphemy among most japanese otaku.
it was a bit shocking and disappointing to hear

>>49801848
The music was at least interesting, if not even pretty good, the Capital was a very mysterious location with a unique place in Touhou's world, so going there in a game instantly made it cool, Sagume is great, and Reisen gets actual character development. Also, the existence of point device mode allowed ZUN to make much more unique spell cards.

>>49801860
*and because touhou 6-8,

>>49801848
>What the fuck is it about LoLK that make it so many people "last good game"?
I guess it's because it's "epic" and high stakes? I don't quite get it either because i find the moon an aggressively boring part of Touhou but then again i mostly just like 1-7, 10, 11 to an extent, and 14. Clownpiece is a great design at least.

>>49801865
I was literally there when LoLK was the latest game, and the only thing it was known for at the time was "Le hard game lmao" and Hecatia received so much shit for her design. I guess it is just nostalgia

>>49801848
>>49801862
LoLK retain some of that classic feeling from older touhou games, the games that came after that just feel half-assed or hollow, it's just my opinion though so you don't have to agree.

The vibe changed after he switched to fully digital art.

>>49800671
Anon he adamant on it being a solo project, like, that is a fundamental part of Touhou appeal, just a man making his own shit in Comiket

I am a big fan of ZUN finally being able to drawn grown up women in modern game, finally we escaped the "everyone is a loli" era of Touhou, I never liked that reputation
And Chimi being Nue's ancestor is a nice trope I welcome in Touhou, we could use more family member of existing characters

>>49801870
i also think LoLK was the last time ZUN added any interesting lore in the game by introducing concepts like the dream realm, infinite otherworlds and that kind of stuff that happened to fit in.

Whatever the "last good game" was, it most certaintly came out before HSiFS.

>>49801882
So true, what I really want to see is some post-wall 2hus!

>>49801882
It's ironic though because one character in particular (Tenshi) felt more mature in the first game she appeared than the ones after.

He just needs to be less stubborn about doing things a certain way.
Just getting someone to bounce ideas off of is huge. Or join other people and make games in a different genre. Every new creative project is a potentially new window to view the world through.

>>49801938
I don't think it's that big of a deal. Just that Touhou being a series of shmup is such a big part of the franchise identity now, so big that no one can imagine how mainline game would look like if it's not shmup, and not by ZUN
Funnily enough, Spellcard rule literally was made to explain why Touhou game are in that genre, I had this talk yesterday to talk about how so many lore would be contradicted if the mainline game was in a different genre

>>49800540 (OP)
ZUN failed because he stuck his head in the sand and never tried anything new. Imagine if Ryukishi kept making Higurashi games for 20 years straight... We'd all be sick of it by now.
>>49800638
People putting their heart and soul into art don't generate it with Adobe AI, let's be real.

>>49801953
He could just make another block breaker type game.
I love HRtP and it would be a good change of pace for both zun and the fans.
Plus imagine the reactions.

>>49802026
He could stop being a giant faggot and just re release the PC-98 games in a DOSBox-X wrapper if he doesn't have the source.

>>49802021
Except he did imo
The people who spam that he never try anything new stuck their hand in the sand whenever ZUN release a fighting spinoff, 17.5 was a platformer, he also try to make manga and write novel (CoLA), and recently release a fortune telling book for a change

>>49802041
I refuse to believe there are people THAT attached to PC-98 game, the thing quite literally have no place in Touhou now, and it contradict every existing lore, why would anyone bother with it? Contrarians?

>>49802056
Out of all touhou games, I've had the most fun playing the PC98 games. So yes, people are attached to PC98 games and for a good reason.
>the thing quite literally have no place in Touhou now, and it contradict every existing lore, why would anyone bother with it?
You're assuming that people(zun included) care about the cannon, if that were true then even the early windows games wouldn't have place in touhou, as they have been largely retconed. Also most of PC98 is cannon.

>>49802056
I think it's more about giving those five games a little recognition, because without them the Windows Touhou craze might not have even been a thing

>>49802085
But at the same time, ZUN wanted to leave them in the past, I think it is disrespectful, and annoying, to keep pestering him about it every year. There gotta be a better way to advocate for it than be annoying cunt like >>49802041

>>49802101
ZUN...

>>49802021
Per his word on why he keep making Touhou
>No matter what I try to make, it will just be similar to Touhou anyway, so I keep making Touhou
So yeah, there your answer on why he don't bother with anything else

>>49800849
Wait when did tasofro die?

>>49802161
No they are not
But the only activity from them recently was them showing up just to say SFW is not compatible with Switch 2. They mentioned no plan to make it compatible either

I feel like most of the problem posted itt could be solved if ZUN just establish a company and hire people like TypeMoon did
But would he abandon the doujin creator life for it?

>the difficulty of putting a different pattern of dots on a screen
>the difficulty of drawing a character in 3 poses

>>49802187
Well for once none of us are 40, so it’s impossible for us to get it

ZUN will hand over reigns of the Touhou series to Toby Fox after Touhou 20
You rike?

>>49802181
>But would he abandon the doujin creator life for it?
At this point he might as well be too afraid to do it, as in he's been doing it 'solo' for so long he thinks he's betraying his whole existence or something.
You know, old japanese man mentality and such

>>49802026
It's a bit late at this point, but it would have been funny if TH20 was a block breaker game featuring the ancestral shrine maiden.
Actually it would be neat if ZUN explored different eras of Gensokyo through the games. Some new faces, some returning faces (possibly behaving differently), locations can be familiar yet different, a different tone, etc.

>>49802197
He would bring Mima back so yes.

>>49802210
And shove the same musical motif into every extra boss theme

>>49802214
How innocent of you to think it'll just be the extra boss theme

>>49802101
I think it's disrespectful and annoying to get your lawyer to bully the fans that built your IP using DMCA takedowns so I guess we can agree to disagree. ZUN is no saint

>>49802197
Toby's release schedule is pretty slow, so unless he drops all of his own projects we probably wouldn't see TH21 until 2030. plus, we'd get completely flooded with his fanbase, which would change Touhou culture even if it does get revitalized.
all that being said, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Toby make just a Touhou fangame. I think it'd be fun

>>49802201
Looking at TypeMoon, it’s not just a matter of moral, but workload, if he go legit and have backing of a company, he will have the pressure of delivering new content monthly. Either way he don’t have that kind of energy as he already said

>>49801882
i am the evil version of you. i need everyone to be a drunk loli in a frilly dress with a silly hat. i hate old women and i hate all the new boobhus and i HATE ZUN's new foot fetish.

Damn man, I wish values could be passed down to offspring easily, this way ZUN could give the reigns to his children and go in peace.
But if that were the case I wouldnt be so worried about Valves future too.

>>49802197
it would be not canon fanfiction like boruto or db super.

>>49802197
You just remind me that Toby have even slower release schedule than ZUN
I think might as well just let BeatMario do things, the guy actually wanted to shill the original games and have ties to many professional game dev and entertainers

>>49800540 (OP)
Good maybe we can finally move on from this. It's funny how people always praised touhou for not going corporate like type moon and 07th expansion when TSA sold out to gacha just like everyone else. Support actual doujin artists that aren't just trying to make a quick buck

>>49802239
BeatMario would also bring Mima back without motif spam so I would take him actually.

>>49802231
This but more loli feet

>>49800540 (OP)
I don't know why he thinks it's cool to be an alcoholic when his series largely appeals to children. It's like Joe camel trying to sell cigarettes to children all over again

>>49802056
>muh hecking lore
Fuck off secondary faggot, I don't fucking CARE that the PC-98 games aren't "canon" anymore, as if people play Touhou for the story. Just admit you've never played the games and only care about touhou because you saw some tranny showing off his fumos

>>49802260
only if those feet are wearing frilly socks and mary janes.

>>49802228
You lot are in the wrong tho, the guideline already told you what not to do and you do it anyway
Fuck around and find out

>>49800571
he chose to approve lost word so fuck him, he's rich and can deal with whatever "depression" he has by throwing money at it

>>49802201
He already betrayed the doujin creator life when he chose to use generative AI developed by a Western corporation. No better than Rajesh from Bombay trying to scam boomers with AI videos on Facebook

>>49802056
you will never be a woman you fucking secondary tranny. cope seethe and dilate

>>49802271
>>49802296
Thirty years

>>49802271
Ok
that doesn't mean the lore still isn't important though

>>49802262
Touhou has always been about girls shooting each other and get wasted right after it.
You're thinking in the past tense, those children have grown up a long time ago

>>49802197
That is a horrible fucking idea
I would rather have satanic disney, EA or ubisoft take over the reigns of the series than this fucking cunt

>>49802307
Touhou fandom regenerates.
Most fans were, are, and will be underage.

One thing I can appreciate ZUN for is that recently he been attending fan event more. It is nice
I saw update on number of Touhou event hosted in Japan sometime and apparently there’s been more of those around the country. There’s also a new one popping up in Korea, China and TouhouFes, all of which were visited by him. So I respect the hustle

>>49802313
You are even dumber than the troll, holy shit

>>49802318
so what
he isn't saying kids need to be alcoholic like him

>>49802271
Dude just go make more PC-98 fanworks like every other sane people. Why are you so concerned with PC-98 getting no new content in a franchise where the fan create whatever the fuck they want?
You don’t see Mimafag acting like a cunt, instead they laugh about it with each other

>>49802330
im right though. toby fox should kill himself for being a faggot and a hack. hes already done a horrible song collab with ZUN (only ZUN's part sounds decent). he doesnt need to be anywhere closer to touhou. he can fuck off and you too. faggot.

>Thread suddenly get super aggressive out of nowhere
Who?

>>49802282
Actually I remember back then ZUN built his own brewery, I wonder how it’s doing these days, between juggling different Touhou content, I can’t imagine him having the time to run a business

>>49802349
You know, just people who don't know /jp/'s motto.

>>49802349
I guess that one guy got a good bite out of that Toby Fox bait

Speaking of PC-98, didn’t ZUN revisit Makai in UFO? Was that not enough for people or what? I remember Shinki blew up the entire place so it’s not like ZUN didn’t give PC-98 a conclusion as well

>>49802041
This

>>49802041
Speaking of releasing old game, recently ZUN got asked about putting EoSD-PCB-IN on Steam and he only said he doesn’t handle the release so he don’t know the details. That and he think those game are just not compatible with modern OS anyway
Your only chance is ZUN randomly decided to remake PC-98 but that is unlikely. I have seen people having to jump through hoops to run Touhou 11 on modern machine lately and feel old as fuck

>>49802368
i haven't gotten a 1cc in MS yet, Anon. No spoilers please!
He also referenced Genjii in 19, I think that's how he does it: vague references and "guest characters", no direct connections

Out of all the newest characters (post-2021) only yuuma and *maybe* tsukasa and megumu managed to really stick around. Everyone was memeing about some of them at first (funny monkey and the grape girl) but have been already forgotten by now. Meanwhile even stage 1 bosses like nazrin and wriggle have dedicated communities in the JP side of the fandom.
Hell, out of the 3 newhus, 2 are dead on arrival. And i can see people losing interest in the egyptian girl too.... ZUN needs to stop adding new characters, atleast for a long time

>The problem with having a series is, when you have a series, the sequel has to be bigger than the first one

This is where he needs to change is perspective on. Not everything has to be bigger and better all the time. Also it just sounds like he's burnt out and/or uninspired and hasn't taken time away from making games.

>>49802398
Take a step back and realize it’s not just a design problem. Touhou is not popular anymore so naturally newer characters will get less eye on them then older one, thus being shared around less, and have less fanworks
ZUN could pull the best design ever out tomorrow but there won’t be as many eye around to see her compare to SA characters for example who was around for the peak of Touhou popularity. I honestly dunno why I even have to explain this, it is such an obvious logic

>>49802398
>ZUN needs to stop adding new characters
But that is how he's always done with the Windows games. He's not going to stop doing that

>get married
>suddenly lose the will to create cute girls and become extremely depressed
>game quality suffers as a result also

many such cases

>>49802390
>Muh doujin spirit one man army
>Nah bro I don't handle the releases
What a loser, he could just work with thcrap for a day and make everyone's lives a thousand times easier but I guess he thinks that would be beneath him or some dumb shit

>>49802419
Yeah, like people used to praise him for adding more characters constantly, it was even something the fan welcomed
I guess things changed

Threads like this remind me of why every good poster moved to kissu and wap. A kuso thread like this would have been nuked ages ago on those sites

>>49802431
I mean it’s likely he got asked “Can we do the release on Steam for you? We will handle the legality” and he say “Yeah why not? Just do whatever man”.

>>49800540 (OP)
In a better world ZUN would have worked with Taito to port the early Touhou games to PS2 and step back to a producing role for future entries

>>49802443
Is it really?
Because then Touhou wouldn’t even be popular in the first place, since it being made by 1 man was a really big sell for the Japanese then

>>49802443
Just be honest and say you want Spell Bubble to be canon

>>49802443
>>49802455
>Taito
They just made a Touhou Spell Bubble Clone recently irc, like they directly stated that it is a successor. And it feature a character who is a big Touhou fan who is a Reimu otaku and cannot stop talking about her
ZUN still have tie with them obvio

>>49802443
>Just give 2hu to mid 00s Squenix

Given the state of his fandom. Yeah, I would be depressed too.

>>49802464
BEHOLD Touhou fan representation. I will shill her cause she cute

>>49800540 (OP)
I hope his whole family gets fucking murdered for making Lost Word

>>49800540 (OP)
I wouldn't mind if he just made simpler games or remade PC-98 stuff

>>49802469
She cute

>>49802477
The hatred toward LW is funny because the CAVE gacha basically doesn’t exist and Danmaku Kagura EoS’ed to quit being a gacha

>>49800540 (OP)
I wouldn't mind if he got beat to death by some immigrants

>>49802486
Right?
JP fan actually was concerned because having a character who is a fan of a real franchise from our world is a risky thing, mainly because of copyrights

>>49800540 (OP)
>IceFaggot
Hope this tranny finds a nice view and jumps off into eternal damnation

>>49800540 (OP)
Don't worry, he can just AI generate fans who will heap praise upon him!

>>49800540 (OP)
Touhou 20 is going to flop and it's all his fucking fault for being a lazy faggot relying on AI

>>49802398
Nah it’s not that bad, every single newhu, yes every single one, have a bunch of obsessive fan who really like them if you actually look
So not like they have no fan, last week I stumbled upon a hardcore Misumaru fan who dream of becoming her, who also like Ubame (they really are similar)

At least switch up your vocabulary bro

Blue archive won

>>49802504
Anon do yourself a favour and avoid the Chinese girl threads

>>49802516
*KanColle

>>49802516
Mogged by horses

>>49802521
Lol no I just browse Twitter and randomly found these obscure character fan. You have no idea how far these fan would do for their fav I once see a Takane fan with a big Takane on his bedroom wall that he gave money to everyday

>Touhou 20 cover girl have short tomboy hair
Oh shit bro I think we are IN, we are reaching level of tomboy never seen before in Touhou

>>49802539
But what if she's all but a tomboy?
You'd still be IN?

>>49802516
*Len'en

>>49802021
Who seriously gives a shit if AI was used for some backgrounds though? They were never the main focus, and they always looked like some windows 98 background to begin with. It's such a stupid hill to die on that he's using it in a more acceptable manner than people flooding the internet with dogwater slop they try locking behind a patreon.
Zun has always dismissed the notion he's an artist, which is the avenue so many retards seem to attack. He's a tech nerd that does music and danmaku. Honestly, good riddance if this modest use of "ai" filters a bunch of retards away from the franchise. Especially when people are just starting to call anything a computer could do for years now "ai".
Image generation and contextually filling in gaps has been around for over 10 years now. It's only within the last few it's gone mainstream and gotten this stigma thanks to how easily accessible it is.

>>49802546
Right now the 3 popular theories are
>Half skeleton Dino girl
>Previous Hakurei Shrine Maiden with a flag
>Short haired Nueface youkai
I won no matter what

By the way Z*unose already have a doujin out for Comiket about Touhou 20 plot, that was pretty quick for him

>>49802553
>He bit the bait
Anon he is not going to listen to you

>>49802555
>Short haired Nueface youkai
WE won no matter what

The 2hus keep sucking away his energy to make the games. He won't have enough to live by the 22nd, and no amount of alcohol will replenish it...

>>49802535
>Takane fan
We don't talk about Takanefag here

ZUN will find happiness when he revisits PC-98 but he's not aware of it

>>49802581
I keep thinking about what if ZUN do those trope of characters looking similar but are different people, how funny would it be if we actually have something like Reimuface character or Marisaface

Fuck it, let's go insane and make an AU thread. What if ZUN sold Touhou to Taito (Owned by Square Enix) in 2005 and then they approve and fund an anime adaptation made by Aniplex?

>>49802591
His Bones are speaking to him but he just doesn't understand them...

>>49802584
Speaking of that what the fuck is his lore? He is like, the most active 2hu gag on this entire website, he shill Takane EVERYWHERE he can, even in /jp/

>>49802600
Easy answer, it will be just another run of the mill multimedia franchise. Also RIP fangame, y’all know how Japanese company are regarding that, just ask the horsebros 2 block down

>>49802613
I will call that "the Corporate timeline", any other suggestions?

>>49802604
He likes Takane.

>>49802600
This will be Touhou in 2020

>>49802619
The franchise bankrupt out of sheer incompetence, I called it the “Kemono Friend pipeline”

>>49802420
are there any creatives who don't seem to lose passion after getting married? seems like marriage is a deathblow for them

>>49802633
Nah I am pretty sure doing anything for 30 years straight would tire you out. People seem to forgot how long 30 years is, it’s a whole career time

>>49802633
Females are evil

>>49802633
Marriage/Childrearing is a huger commitment than most realize

>>49802619
Well, it's safe to assume every work that we know of beyond IN or PoFV no longer exists, depending on month of sale. This means no Moriya, no Komeijis, no religious factions, and many other characters cease to exist. ZUN probably wouldn't go ahead with the fairies manga if he planned on selling that year. It's a future without the 3 fairies or Clownpiece.

The whole Animal Realm arc was goated to me, the whole thing was ZUN second time trying out having a continuous multi-game story. UM seem like the odd one out at first until UDoALG tied it into a finale
17-17.5-18-19 also explore Hell rather thoroughly so I like it. ZUN obviously was still capable of greatness when he try, he just need to stop thinking he need to release game on a deadline for fan

>>49802647
3rd of a century pretty much. 20 is a good round number anyways. I don’t think every fan would complain other than those who really like the genre or crazy paypigs if this was the last mainline game.

>>49802670
>no Komeijis
That translates to no CDS and no MiMi
What a grim timeline...

>>49802670
Ah shit I forgot the manga
For once WaHH wouldn’t exist as it is now because Azmaya was such a shit artist man, nobody would pick her to draw a manga, only ZUN did because he want to give shitty artist a chance to improve
The first fairy manga also is in the “we don’t talk about it” area

>>49802685
ZUN seem to be aware of the number 20, hence the whole emphasis on “return to basic”. I looked at the game and recognize some old game feature he brought back like the duo protagonist of EoSD, SA-like companion system, only replaced by gemstone, the UFO RNG encounter and the shottype buff like HSiFS

>>49802670
>No 3 Fairies
I am never taking that future.

>>49802688
Unironically without the Komeiji I wonder who would replace them on popularity poll. It’s always surprise me how popular they are

>>49802691
I thought her style was very charming.

>>49802420
i thought ZUN wanted to stop/slow down but his family insisted on continuing. his wife does ability card art and his kids listen to his music as he makes it

>>49802710
It'll just be EoSD-PCB-INhus top 10 every other year

>>49802600
>Anime adaptation
This is such a meme, but Touhou chars having “canon” voice is an interesting scenario to think about. What kind of voice would Reimu even have? When it come down to it I don’t even know what sort of personality Reimu has

>>49802398
Yuuma got to me pretty hard after a general break from 2hu. Love my caprine 2hu. Definitely helped she was allowed more attention in a .5 game as opposed to being relegated to a single stage in a mainline game like many other girls. She wound up fueling a retroactive interest in WBaWC for me and an appreciation for the animal realm arc as a whole.

>>49802535
On one hand, I hate the nips still constant reliance of twitter because of its awful indexing and ability to find anything without something like buhitter. On the other, it is nice how you still run across those seemingly niche ___fags hiding about.

>>49802720
He never mention that
But now that you say it, it must have been fun to have his family involved with his game, I didn’t even know his wife can draw lol. Her Cirno was loved by fan

>>49802398
>grape girl
She is a cute and canon yurihu who made yuri official! We're never going to forget about her!

>>49802731
Yuuma was pretty great
She was the first final boss to feel “evil” in a while, so beating her up feel very satisfying
Yuuma vs Flandre was a well constructed fight narratively, which spawn a lot of fanarts

Maybe it's just me but I actually find the Yorigamis to be the most endearing sisters. If only Koishi and Satori actually worked together in CDS.

>>49802726
Oh, right. That would mean Idolfags shitting their pants about their oshis
We might actually live in a good timeline for 2hu

>>49802737
That is for THOSE people
I find Hisami interesting because she have the most detailed job description in Touhou for no reason. She is very clearly
>A Ministry employee
>Very competent at her job
>Is paid well
>Also paid people handsomely
>She basically was so good at her job that she caused overpopulation in New Hell
Make me wish ZUN elaborate more of the jobs of other 2hu

>>49802748
And a lesbian.

>>49802744
I completely agree with you though it might be partly because I don't care for Flan or Koishi but love their sisters. The Yorigamis were given actual chances to play off of each other in a way the other sisters never did, even when they showed up in print works.

>>49802744
They are twin, and are basically one entity with different aspect. And they also get 3 different set of canon outfit for no reason
They had a good showing in 17.5 too, being one of the few to give Yuugi trouble and draw out Flandre

>>49802757
I think what really seal the deal for them was the fact Joon did the attacking and Shion did the flying, carrying her around
Their moveset is basically perfect teamwork, even in AoCF, one of their move is Joon launching Shion (who is a mass of misfortune) at opponents

>>49800540 (OP)
He should have retired instead of tarnishing the series' legacy with the recent horrendous dogshit games.

>Is HOUJUU Nue and HOUJUU Chimi related???
>Sip beer
>”I dunno”
What is he trying to hide bros?

>>49802553
>TOUHOU WAS ALWAYS SHIT
Nice argument, faggot. Why even have ZUN make the games, then? Just AI generate everything. ZUN tainted Touhou with his use of AI art and you just can't admit it.

>>49802801
Refer to the Th20 cover art thread speculation
Stage 6 Boss is a THIRD Houjuu

>>49802804
>Fossilized Wonders
>The Fossilized Wonder is just some ultra hag Houjuu

>>49802688
>no MiMi
I tried to imagine that and had a fucking panic attack.

Oh, I shoot need to make a song for this... Time to take the brass rings once again. Hogan, Billy, Inoki give me strength!
>>49802688
>no MiMi
And who would be the target of rape memes?! You wanna kill the business?!

>>49802818
Satori, Renko? There is many rapehus.

Stumbled upon a Hanabata Hifuu album song released last years and damn ZUN still got it. I think people just overreacting

>>49802828
Renko maybe, Satori doesn't exist in that timeline

>>49802815
>>49802818
No way you guys like her that much

>>49800540 (OP)
I would have already roped if I fell off as hard as he did.

>>49802834
But Renko do the raping...

>>49802838
I shouldn't by all rights, but she really grew on me during those last few chapters of CDS.
The crossie memes can go fuck themselves, though.

>>49802838
She's a cute DORK

>>49802852
>>49802853
The funny thing about her is that she is among the older generation of Gensokyo dwellers. But technicality she can be Reimu’s grandma, or even older
So Reimu talking to her like they are the same age is funny

I will never understand why western fanbase hate Okina, when in Japan she is very much loved by fan as a meme. What could be causing this disparities?

>>49802861
Actually she's like one generation BEFORE Gensokyo was actually a concrete reality.
Also she falseflagged as a Youkai, to the point of starting to lose her own Humanity. She got it coming

even if the original creator passes on, touhou will continue to outlive everything

>>49802670
>>49802691
Don't forget all the songs that would no longer exist, including circle arranges. Heck even the fan stuff that could plausibly exist might not without ZUN's lax policy to encourage them.

>>49802838
MiMi grabbed the brass rings and draw big dimes and now she's singlely carrying the crash and burn CDS PPV to the stars, even if she's a heel and with the disastrous booking. Her gimmick, backstory and in-ring skills are truly the one of a main-event. Also she tickles that part of my fucked-up brain that make me write rape parody songs.
>>49802864
Overpushed Yukari clone that is super strong in kayfabe but never go in-ring. Yukari even have to eat the pin to make her and the cast look strong, and western fans who know how the business work, aren't selling this. + Yukari have more of the hot mature woman who won't assume her age vibe than her, and that is hot. She should consider wearing a biker suit.

>>49802883
Do newer fan even know about Concealed the Conclusion?

She looks like she has a bullyable forehead.

>>49802889
CtC PPV is truly a marvel work, the booking, the music, the matches, especially the music are fucking awesome!

>>49802887
Decent enough explanation.
Is the /asp/ie talk necessary though?

>>49802874
From the perspective of Mizuchi, a vision like Gensokyo was unthinkable to her, she thought it could never happened and thus tried to prevent it from being a thing
She wasn’t wrong in her thinking, but the Hakurei Family (and all the strong youkai), made it work. Reimu was trying to show Mizuchi that in this new Gensokyo, you can win without dying

>>49802889
No. What's it about?

>>49802898
It only make it funnier that the same guy who made CtC went on to make a sequel about genderbent Marisa x Patchouli yaoi

>>49802897
I don't know if there's enough room in Gensokyo for multiple foreheadhus...

>>49802907
newGOD............

>>49802907
Dude trying to imagine an “ending” to Touhou, one of the first danmaku fangame. It ended with an epic Reimu vs Marisa fight to prevent Gensokyo from vanishing

>>49802901
My brain is on fire, brother! blog; I'm out of meds for my bipolarity and I getting intense like the hulkamania, brother! I miss Hogan... /blog
>>49802908
Mad respect for that man! Hope he booked that show, Gachi style.

>>49802918
Did... Did you just reveal the conclusion?!

>>49802887
When reading this, I feel like reading an indie wrestling revue from the 90's, but with Touhou. (I'm all for it.) And I do agree that Yukari would look really hot with a tight leather suit tho.

>>49802056
>the thing quite literally have no place in Touhou now, and it contradict every existing lore
Who gives a shit, nigger?
LLS and MS alone are very fun games and completely mog 85% of the Windows games quality-wise. "Muh lore" should never get in the way of fun.
Bullet hells are already 99% gameplay anyways, lore is only there to entertain the lazy ass secondaries that can't even be bothered to play the games on Easy.

>>49802962
post chart

>>49802918
Is it worth playing?

>>49802993
Yeah!

>>49802996
I'll try it out then!

>>49800540 (OP)
he needs to take a break for a few years.

>>49802633
Pretty much every classical music composer.

>>49803046
That feels like the most reasonable thing he could do
Also a double-edged sword: You get less Newhus, but you also get less games

>>49802633
Insofar as game development goes, the Terraria and Stardew guys come to mind. Redigit initially considered Terraria finished after 1.1, and his wife was the one who convinced him he could do more with it. And, after ConcernedApe quit his job to work on Stardew, his wife financially supported him until he released it. Both their spouses are fans of their respective games

If you ever needed proof that jp doesn't understand ZUN at all, look no further than this thread.

>>49803438
But I'm sure (You) do, Anonymous...

>>49803438
Explain ZUN to me, please.

I don't think Zun actually likes beer.

>>49803447
>>49803450
None of what is in the OP means he is depressed or that he lacks passion.
It's funny how you can create a narrative like this by putting some random shit in the subject field.

>>49803461
It sounds more like you don't realize the OP was being overly facetious to stir discussion about a guy growing older and raising a family while juggling his passion project.

>>49803478
Yes, he created a false narrative.
You know when a thread like this reaches so many posts in such a short amount of time that there's some bullshit in the OP. It's just that easy.

>>49803461
You're implying I replied to any of those false narrative posts and not to the unrelated topics that sprouted in this thread

>>49803461
>>49803481
congratulations anon, you saw through the illusion! what will you do now?

>>49802838
I like her for her backstory in that I actually started rooting for her and wanted justice.

>>49803565
I'm going home to cook some étouffée.

>>49803631
can I have some??

I was the first person to call Mizuchi Miyadeguchi as "MiMi" and I'm glad /jp/sies are catching on

>>49803656
I do have a lovely Chippendale dining table.
I often have a friend sit at one end while I sit at the other.
It's precisely the point of a long dining table.
The splendor of the meal adds to its enjoyment.

>>49803667
Faaairly sure I was the one who came up with it as a play on MiMa.

>>49801842
The replays people submit for the yu-miya dude's stream are usually from Touhou 7, 8, 10, 11, and 12, so I just assumed those are the ones most people play. But yeah, I forgot that secondary is the majority

>>49803667
>>49803693
I mean, if it works...

>>49803693
i made it as a play on Mimi-chan

So who did it first?

>>49801860
Imagine if ZUN put future mainline games on hold for the next decade to put out mobile and console remakes of the series.
Or if he just hired a team to do it for him.

Oh lawd. Just wait until Zun becomes a grandfather. THAT is the HOLY FUCKING SHIT TIME WON'T STOP ARGGHGHGHHGHGHG moment. That and the WHAT THE FUCK why did this thing just fall over moments.

>>49801848
Because it was good, retard?

>>49803750
>spoiler
would he hire locally or cheapen out with pajeets like R*ckstar?

>>49803785
It would only be fitting for him to do it the same way he chooses his manga artists.

>>49803803
That does sound like something he'd do

>>49802691
>The first fairy manga also is in the “we don’t talk about it” area
The first manga is unbearably cute

>>49803737
That doesn't make a lick of sense.

>>49800540 (OP)
>>>The problem with having a series is, when you have a series, the sequel has to be bigger than the first one. And if you keep escalating, it'll eventually all fall apart.
Why do so many retard authors end up falling for the power creep meme even when their series have nothing to do with fightan and powerlevels?

>>49803952
back in the day, people used to expect that series of games would get bigger and better over time as the developers became more skilled and could build off of previous ideas and mechanics. I guess some part of ZUN still thinks that that ought to be the case.

>>49803959
>back in the day
That's normal even now.
Yes, a sequel should be just as good if not better than the previous iteration. That's just common sense. No one wants regression. Standards must be upheld.
That still has fuck-all to do with the next one being "bigger". If it were battle shounen, sure, you may have a point, and even then sometimes that ends up ruining the series because of how silly the scales get, but Touhou has nothing to do with this. All the games plot have varying degrees of importance in the world's scope and even in terms of how dangerous they are.
ZUN's being retarded and fighting ghosts.
I blame the animal realm meme.

>>49802443
In an even better world ZUN wouldn't have made Touhou at all, and the degeneration of otaku culture into gachashit and vtumors would have been delayed or even averted.

>>49804047
>, and the degeneration of otaku culture into gachashit and vtumors would have been delayed or even averted.
I really don't think 2hu creation is what led to all those things.

>>49802802
>>TOUHOU WAS ALWAYS SHIT
correct
if you think the games were ever good then you fell for the meme - the biggest meme of the 2000s japanese internet which is what touhou really is
>>49802613
>RIP fangame
most touhou fangames are just clones of commercial games with touhous slapped on so nothing of value would be lost

>>49804075
the mere demo of a touhou game has more value than anything you will create in 3 lifetimes

>>49804088
lmao are touhoufags really this delusional?
your shit meme games are useful for exactly one thing - the porn
>anything you will create
lol i don't intend to "create" anything thankfully

>>49804088
don't feed the troll

>>49804100
>i don't intend to "create" anything thankfully
good!

>>49802516
-'t last for much longer

i dont understand how people fall for such obvious bait

>>49804115
I have nobody to talk to and replying to bait is the only way to get guaranteed interaction with someone.

>>49804138
same, I have made 8 bait post today and all got responses

i want to see if he could do another ip unrelated to touhou

>>49804148
That would be interesting.

>>49804148
He HAVE thoughts about it before when asked, the thing is he realize no matter what he make, it will just be another Touhou anyway, so he quit the idea

>>49800540 (OP)
ZUN is a man with a wife and kid and he probably did not experience the soul-crushing depression arc in mid 20s (not necessarily saying everyone has this arc but if you pass through it when you’re young instead of old you’re basically set for life (doesn’t mean it’s a good thing it’s zero sum action-reaction) )
He is not a super autistic wizard touhou shaman but a n*rmalfag least relative to the average /jp/sie read. He doesn’t live, breath, eat, and dream Touhou. It was always something he did in a certain manner, it was less he created it and more he channeled it as he was more or less the suitable vessel.
The moment you have a kid your life permanently changes forever in a way that not even having a wife changes you which is already a big change. There’s no stepping back. You’re now one with Humanity and Mother Nature. Whatever were your primary responsibilities are now secondary. This is actually an archetype, the man leaves pristine Wilderness to become Man.
He is now much more in tune with the rhythms of the Earth than Touhou, which is why all the recent games are controversially considered on a decline, and this will continue at least until he comes of old age and he mellows out which is probably when Touhou will begin to hit its stride once more.

There is a price to meeting societal expectations. What do you think bond and bonding means? Freedom? Do you think Nature’s children are free?
Loved by the Earth, Those borne of the Earth return to the Earth. Foreigners in a Home that was never really their own, Those who fell from the Sky return to the Sky.

>>49804469
So true anon.

I however think that beyond what you described there is a fundamental conflict between him being obviously deeply tuned into whatever he channeled Touhou and Gensokyo from, and the culture he grew up in and is surrounded with.

ZUN grew up during the peak of secularization of Japan. He is obviously deeply moved by and fascinated with mythological and spiritual themes, but because of his upbringing and surrounding culture, it manifests in a very tense way. There is a place where forgotten things "pass into fantasy". Gods and spirits are real, but depend on humans to exist. The basis of religion is an absolute fact, but also religion itself sucks and is bad. It's of course this tension that gives Touhou it's shape, form and much energy. But such tension is straining and draining too.

ZUN has been hinting at this, but never fully explicated it because people wouldn't belive him or would ridicule him. He straight up said so in this very drunk stream - the characters and settings appear to him when they want to appear, and are not made up. He wrote something like this in the postcript of Symposium of Post-Mysticism too - being surprised at the historical depth of the characters, "troublesome ones moving on their own".

The one time he has tried to be more sincere about this all, he got crazy backlash. When Children's Parade - Wedding Version got performed and released, the Japanese Touhou fandom hated it. It's beautiful, heartfelt, sincere and full of reverence and gratidute. It's not even explicitly religious or spiritual, simply offerings thanks to "wide and beautiful fantasy" and "stories of men and youkai" that brought him and his wife together.

The moment of him steering toward a darker direction was not his marriage. It was getting such a hateful backlash during a most intimate and sincere moment.

There is a reason why he calls himself kannushi. There is a reason why when he was consulted on the naming of the annual Touhou con, he chose "reitaisai", which are annual festivals at shrines. There is a reason why the most happiest photos of him were from the setsubun where he was dressed like almost like a kannushi, throwing beans. There is a reason why the omikuji book got released and why it has 128 characters.

Touhou's dance of disbelief and belief is beautiful and energetic, but it's born of tremendous internal tension. And this tension is exhausting.

As someone who is obviously very much tapped into something, he also senses things that are not pleasant. It's not all love and light. Our civilizational project has gone to shit, the world is becoming increasingly warped, alienated, hostile and sickly. As someone who has children, he is of course deeply concerned for their future in this kind of world. The "cataclysmic power sleeping under youkai mountain" might be a reflection of some megaquake anxiety, or then some more abstract apocalyptic fear that is becoming increasingly more justified.

Of course this is all tremendously exhausting. It's a miracle he is in as high spirits as he is.

Schizophrenia

>>49804469
Freedom aren't free. The Touhou Project was made by shrine maiden fetishes, alcohol and the blood and devotion of the fans to the series. RUF is NOT my community manager. He is gommunist lawman and corrupted ZUN with DMCA. :DD Touhou games canon not printworks ok. Praise Amaterasu.

ZUN lay in his crib helpless and frustrated

>>49804529
>The one time he has tried to be more sincere about this all, he got crazy backlash. When Children's Parade - Wedding Version got performed and released, the Japanese Touhou fandom hated it. It's beautiful, heartfelt, sincere and full of reverence and gratidute. It's not even explicitly religious or spiritual, simply offerings thanks to "wide and beautiful fantasy" and "stories of men and youkai" that brought him and his wife together.

>The moment of him steering toward a darker direction was not his marriage. It was getting such a hateful backlash during a most intimate and sincere moment.

Wait, so that's it? That was his reason to turn everything into shit?

Sounds like schizobabble.

>>49804469
>There’s no stepping back. You’re now one with Humanity and Mother Nature. Whatever were your primary responsibilities are now secondary. This is actually an archetype, the man leaves pristine Wilderness to become Man He is now much more in tune with the rhythms of the Earth than Touhou.
>Loved by the Earth, Those borne of the Earth return to the Earth. Foreigners in a Home that was never really their own, Those who fell from the Sky return to the Sky.
Anon are you high? what the fuck are you talking about? And why are you talking like the schizophrenic meth addict who lives under the bridge?

>>49804529
why are you just making up headcanons about how ZUN felt about an arrange he had nothing to do with? He never asked for a wedding version of a song he already found kind of embarassing to write.

>>49805088
>>49805139
It's the "esoteric" schizos breaking out of their containment thread

>>49800571
I think you're projecting a bit/reading into it too much

His comments on death are completely in character -even a decade ago- for all the ramblings he puts in the notes/game files and such

He's said quite awhile ago that one of his goals is to have "a comfortable/good death" where he can be happy with what he did in life

>>49800810
Agreed
He really doesn't need to make new characters every game. It's pretty much bloat at this point.
Just bring back more old characters, that's what most people want.
It's like with pokemon, the series tears itself apart when the pokemon pool gets too large and most people just want the first 2 or 3 gen pokemon
I don't even care about new Touhous these days.

>>49802056
The PC-98 games are unironically better than most of the modern games in multiple categories.
They really are quite fun and people who actually play the games agree.
As far as I'm concerned, not a single Touhou game recaptured the feeling of PoDD. Having cutscenes in the game really elevated the feeling and I'm still upset ZUN never used them again.

>>49802056
PC-98 was the creative peak of the franchise even if a lot of it was just ZUN stealing from things he liked without bothering to change much. This momentum carried over into 6 and 7 but most games past that point are mostly a snoozefest as ZUN's musical skills and design skills declined. DDC might be the last game that had consistently great character designs and consistently good (not great) music. Most plots past SA are boring as shit and the villains (outside of Seija who's a return to the PC-98 bored jackass villain) are usually some lame god, boring faction leader, or 500 IQ keikaku mastermind who does nothing of note. A return to PC-98's comedic sociopathy and low stakes joke plots, or maybe even the quiet and pure atmosphere of HRtP, would go a long way.

>>49802197
Please god no. I say this as a huge UT/DR fan.

>>49807306
I'd personally go as far as to say Mystic Square is better than EoSD and is only unpopular because nobody wants to start with the games before the Windows era. Not that EoSD is bad, but it feels standard to me in a way PCB and IN do not. Remilia is cool, but her fight doesn't feel nearly as climactic as Shinki's, it's simply a well done fight. Patchouli, at least to me, has a more boring gimmick than Reimu/Marisa and Yuki + Mai. The former was brought back for IN and even if ZUN couldn't put in the other teams it was still great. Yuki and Mai have a fight that lets you know how they both actually feel about each other, with one being a bitch.

>>49801848
>>49802398
You have no clue what you're talking about, or you only know about the western part of the fandom, who are more perpetual Touhou 6-8 fags than even the Japanese.
The beast mafia trio are quite popular, especially for newhus. People are for some reason making a decent amount of MMDs about Saki. It probably doesn't help that one of the most popular Touhou fanartists is a big SakixMiko fan.
Of course, Keiki and Mayumi are part of that discussion as well. 17 and Animal Hell in general have garnered pretty positive receptions overall. Okina is also decently popular in the jp fandom, being basically modern Yukari. Aunn isn't doing so bad either. Everyone I've mentioned so far, by the way, has more fanart in Pixiv than Megumu.
You, like a lot of people, mistakenly think on the idea of "why is a character that's a few years old doesn't have as much fancontent as a character that's 20 years old?". It's kind of a self-answering question.
It just doesn't happen on sufficiently old franchises, with the only exception if a new entry manages to strike through a new demographic it didn't have before. It's extremely rare a character introduced in an old franchise immediately replaces an existing fan's already favorite characters in his mind.

>>49807397
>Mystic Square is better than EoSD
>Not that EoSD is bad, but it feels standard
I agree, it pretty much set the standard that all other windows games follow

I also think that a lot of the modern games lack "climactic feeling" or "sense of danger"
The last game to really give me that feeling was SA

>>49807448
Accidentally replied on the LoLK comment
But, I'll use this opportunity to say that Touhou in general is far from dying on the fandom side. It's more accurate to say that the english speaking fandom is stagnating.
Barely anybody scanlates anymore. Hell, barely anybody SCANS anymore. The only person actively translating fangames is Hackanai. It's a christmas miracle that Gensou Shoujo Taisen Complete Box translated has been announced, and only because the fans from years and years started doing it and the current translators just picked up the pieces. English fandom is so huffed up on drama and negativity they just try to inject it everywhere they go.
So really I think it's more of a one side of the fandom issue more than anything else.

>>49807496
>I also think that a lot of the modern games lack "climactic feeling" or "sense of danger"
Patently untrue, Running away from Keiki in her boss fight and Okina stealing your power manages to get that sense of danger and climax more than the majority of boss fights in the entire series.

>>49807522
With PC98 games the whole game felt like it was leading up to the final boss fight.
You just don't get that kind of feeling with more recent games.
The last game with that kind of feeling was IN in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong with being an esoteric schizo when it's witnessing a major turning point in touhou history.

>>49807598
>>49790473

At this point, I'm just going to assume that people defending the newer games don't sincerely like them and only do it out of contrarianism toward the broader fanbase to gain /jp/ cred.
>>49807598
Partly agree, although in my opinion, this kind of feeling has lasted until UFO.

>>49807636
Why are you putting words in my mouth, newfag?
I just said that the newer games don't have the same feeling of climax.

>>49807598
>With PC98 games the whole game felt like it was leading up to the final boss fight.
>You just don't get that kind of feeling with more recent games.
It's even more true in Okina and Keiki's case. That's probably the two worst bosses you can point at in modern Touhou games for an example of "not leading up to a bossfight."
The entirety of HSiFS, besides the 1st stage, is you fighting Okina's literal creations of life, and you wondering why you have the power of seasons, before at the bossfight Okina just takes it all away for her own gain.
WBaWC is arguably even more of a lead-up. The entirety of the protag's journey is them getting manipulated and brought in a war they didn't have anything to do with by a turtle and some ghost, only at the end to realize that they have, in fact, been bamboozled. Keiki shows up, the ghosts that have manipulated you shit their pants, and they just tell you to try to run the fuck away from Izanami's shit.
Pc-98 game characters are oftentimes more disjointed than Windows games really, so I don't know what your argument is supposed to be here.

>>49807631
The point where Touhou has turned into total shit? Sure

>>49807707
At this point, I'm just going to assume that people defending the older games don't sincerely like them and only do it out of contrarianism toward the broader fanbase to gain /jp/ cred.

>>49807754
Except the broader fanbase loves older games while /jp/ hates them, so your lame attempt at a gotcha doesn't work here.

>>49807763
Pretty sure the broader fanbase has never played and is barely aware of the PC-98 games and /jp/ doesn't hate the old Windows games, so your lame attempt of a gotcha doesn't work here.

OLD BAD
NEW BAD
ZUN IS A HACK
There, you can stop with this retarded argument now.

>>49807727
He probably just latched on to the mention of IN. Honestly it was refreshing to see someone elaborate on why they liked the older games as opposed to just being
>old good
>new bad

>>49807707
And you're just as bad, if not the prime example of what anon was trying to imply.

>>49807786
>/jp/ doesn't hate the old Windows games
then why do /jp/sies piss and moan about secondaries whenever these games or their characters get brought up?

>>49807739
How is either of those a good lead up?

>>49802516
*Hololive

>>49807808
Because secondaries latch onto them more? I think that's pretty fucking obvious.
Hating the fans that constantly drone on about "muh golden days" and disposing everything past a certain point in time like retarded genwunners isn't the same as not liking the actual games.
>>49807809
How are those not? Are you arguing the entire plot and theming of every boss before the final boss being connected to the final boss, is somehow, not a good lead up?
Then make an example.

I want to talk about this.

>>49807841
No you won't, Fucking skunigger

>>49807841
It's the fucking worst thing ever, kill yourself.

>>49807841
as a super player, i like skub. once people get good like me, i'm sure they'll come around to it

>>49807911
if you use skub, you're not a super player

>>49807841
I am indifferent to skub

>>49807914
oh yeah？show me 1 (one) super player who doesn't use skub

>>49807928
everyone get a load of THIS moron!

>>49807801
By the way it's not like I hate the newer games.
It's more that, I feel that there were things that the older games got better than the newer ones.
The new games are fine too, but I feel like that in some aspects the newer games are better and in others they are worse.
Like personally, I find the newer soundtracks to be very forgettable, I still remember most of the PC98 OSTs, but I struggle to remember more than one or two tracks from LoLK.

>>49807960
I-I-I am not a m-moron!

>>49807841
What the fuck is this?

>>49807841
For me, it's bkub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F60sMFLCaWg

This is where Touhou peaked for me
None of the new games evoke the same feeling to me
I just love how the music works with the cutscene. It's a shame that ZUN makes good music but never again had an animation play with background music.
A lotta lost potential IMO

>>49807841
I don't know what skub is.

>>49807841
I love skub

>>49802293
If you're going to be this retarded you might as well say he already betrayed the doujin life when he chose to use development tools and OS developed by a Western corporation (why did you capitalize western) when he switched to Windows with EoSD.

>>49808007
If you're being serious, it's an old /tg/ meme.

>>49808955
I appreciate your concern, but I was just playing around.

>>49802085
Wrong, literally no one played the PC-98 games before 2000 because there were so few copies made, no internet word of mouth and Japs always look down on people pirating indie games, even to this day. The success of Touhou is 100% because of EoSD, period.

>>49807841
Well, I don't.

>>49809106
LMAO.
Niggas really like to overexaggerate EoSD's importance, when it was not THAT much more popular than the PC-98 games on release.
If anything, the Touhou boom happened around the time of IN's and IaMP's releases.
Touhou's success was all due to Imperishable Night being a legitimately great game, unlike the rushed turd that EoSD was. And had it never released, both EoSD and PCB would have fallen into obscurity along the PC-98 titles.

>>49809106
>no internet word of mouth and Japs always look down on people pirating indie games
Before 2002 you could get PC98 titles online on aotaka's website, after which zun took it down.
The oldest fan art is also from this era.
>The success of Touhou is 100% because of EoSD, period.
I wouldn't say that, without PC98 games zun wouldn't have the recognition to make koumakyou such a success.
>>49809828
>Touhou's success was all due to Imperishable Night
*in the western world.
In the east it is true that koumakyou was a huge success, and one of the reasons why touhou became as popular as it did.

>>49807841
We don't talk about skub here

kuso thread