Thread 49864962

Serious question: were the NTR and ugly bastard genres always this popular in Japan, and if not then what changed?

>>49864962 (OP)
Yes for bastards. NTR became prominent because purityfags lost their minds and women not only aren't allowed to love anyone besides MCs, they also can't know what dicks are, be alone with another man, have men provide them any services, or even talk to another man while the MC has an interest in them even if the MC hasn't even spoken to them. NTR is prominent because everything is NTR now.

I kinda miss old normal cheating.

I think NTR (and for that matter, "interracial" (only ever black dudes)) is just one guy, high up in the industry, pushing his fetishes on the audience, who buys it up because what else are they gonna do, stop cooming?

>>49864962 (OP)
I've seen Tokugawa-era pornography of cartoonishly ugly Dutch men fucking Japanese women, at this point I believe "cucked by hideously ugly gaijin" is just in their genes.

>>49865252
Inshallah.

I'll never get this fetish. Like, if this kind of bastard is trying to fuck your girl, the answer is easy; beat the shit out of the fatfuck, and if you can cut his dick, better. Of course, part of the fetish maybe needs the protagonist to be a sissy cuck who freezes when he sees his girl getting fucked. But realistically, and this has happened, the man ends up killing the lover and his woman

>>49864962 (OP)
What VN or game does the OP pic come from?

>>49870664
oh hell no save that question for after you nut and the remorse hits

>>49870961
I feel no shame jerking it to rape shit now give me the sauce

>>49870512
>internet tough guy thinks he can beat up a man the weight and shape of a bear

>>49870512
I don't know about anyone else but for me, I never self insert in porn. I simply watch as a third party spectator. For NTR, it is more about witnessing a woman degrading herself. The more depraved, the more harder I nut. There are no emotions involved. I do not self insert as the bastard nor do I want it to be my woman. I simply watching a woman degrade herself, destroying her husband for a worthless homeless dick that's not even pleasurable. It's so depraved, I lose it. I think it might be a pervert thing? I am very perverted in general. 100% free from any emotional investment. Purely a chase for orgasm. I think it might have something to do with subverting power?

>>49865254
NTR plot lines are so far out there now, it's easy to just dismiss them as "this is dum, what else exists."
Simple cheating though? The simplistic nature of that happening being more realistic always felt like more of an extreme than NTR.

>>49872131
Basically the same deal here. For me it's about witnessing the taboo without any real emotional attachment to any party involved.
I'll get my business done, forget about it as clarity hits, and fuck off to do whatever I need to do in a day. I find it odd people manage to get so emotionally invested into things sometimes.

>>49864962 (OP)
Where is this guy from, literally me

>>49864962 (OP)
Jews

I fully believe that NTR would not have gotten as popular as it seems to be if non-NTR people didn't cartoonishly sperg out over it as much as they do; NTRfags feed off the hate they get and it makes them just wanna spam flood their shit everywhere to farm reactions.

>>49864962 (OP)
NTR as is currently popular is just fat bastards and mindbreak--both of which indeed have always been popular. Mindbreak because duh, fat bastards because idk degrading or whatever
Basically
>>49865254
Pop NTR IS just cheating.

Like the idea of plots involving thoroughly breaking a lover or something, that actually isn't popular. It got attention, but think about how many "ntr" things just have a practically nonexistent entity as the cuckold.
Not complaining btw.
I hate NTR so I'm fine with it being watered down

>>49872604
I don’t really get why netorare gets so much hate. Like oh no, a woman consensually has sex with someone she wasn’t supposed to, the horror! Why is this the porn that shocks and disturbs you and not the guro lolicon kinda stuff out there?

>>49873984
>Why is this the porn that shocks and disturbs you and not the guro lolicon kinda stuff out there?
People complain about NTR more because it's more pervasive. There's 1/1000 the amount of guro lolicon content as there is NTR. I don't like NTR but it doesn't shock me, it's just a boner killer.

>>49873984
People complain about lolicon guro too, but you're more likely to see NTR over lolicon guro as said by >>49876164

There's also the self-insert aspect, and the general antipathy to perverts like ITT who drive current porn-negative sentiments. Nobody wants to be around the kind of people who like NTR, and it's important for normalfags to virtue signal, so NTR is an easy target.

>>49873984
>>49876164
>>49876207
On top of that, you probably aren't gonna be reading a manga or even worse, a multi work series, and then suddenly start seeing bug sex or loli guro that wasn't there from the start, but it's entirely possible something could suddenly become NTR.

>>49864962 (OP)
I genuinely wonder if they are that popular. Wouldn't it make more sense to appeal to the lowest common denominator, rather than something more specific and disgusting to the general population? Why isn't there more vanilla hentai? Something like ecchi romcom taken a step further seems like it would appeal to more people than NTR/fat ugly bastard/mind control/incest.

NTR is like, one of the most incel fetish to ever exist because this confirms their biases and also preys on their masochistic humiliation fetish which they developed after being mogged to near death by Chads. The rise in NTR's popularity coincides with the rise of incelism, first in Japan and then in the world.
Also
ITT: Cuckolds trying to reason and justify their fetish.

if you define NTR as anything that isn't like picrel, NTR is popular everywhere

>>49872091
yeah, there are methods

>>49878679
incest is otaku heritage that went mainstream before otaku culture even emerged though?

>>49879072
You know, in your picture she's basically rejecting you.
>If you feel the same way after 10 years, then I'll consider it.

>>49879539
I don't think that most Japanese viewers of animated hentai are otaku.

>>49878679
I think it's that the artists themselves are degenerate.

>>49879575
I'm talking about the businesses behind hentai.

>>49864962 (OP)
I feel that the NTR genre has become stagnant nowadays. Other than a few exceptions, most of them have started to blur together, the same plot point, the same character arcs, etc. At this point I'm tuned out on the stories and just in it for the art because some of the artists I like dabble in the genre.

>>49879586
Non doujinshi are probably more vanilla or more niche depending on what they run in. Probably the majority are degenerate doujinshi however, so the hentai-as-a-business side barely matters.

>>49870512
>I'll never get this fetish
You aren't supposed to "get" all fetishes. Are you 12?

Ugly bastards and interracial are virtually identical to bestiality.

>>49882140
>>49864962 (OP)
there's something to be said about when you repress your animal/monster/ugly bastard tendencies of your mind, they aren't going anywhere, and you tend to project them outwardly onto someone.
Japan really became truly susceptible to subversive stuff of the soul in 18-19th century when transience culturally became something to be passively fawned upon. and urgency is associated with the brute stuff. it's still within the cultural DNA to stop fucking around though

speaking really roughly because this is bordering on a kuso thread

>>49865252
You a retard and a pornbrain faggot!
NTR is for women primarily, men consume it only because mentality ill defeatists are drawn to mediums where fantasy is easily displayed in lewd styles like ecchi doujins.
Purityfags are the only reasonable men left alive in an age of utter idiots like yourself. It just so happens that it also attracts unreasonable autismos that are easy to troll, thus ntrfags are able to troll the masses.
Fact is that the modern man often accepts cuckolding because he's an idiot that either had an abusive father, mother, or both at the same time, and can't cope with making himself or his partner uncomfortable. Its only natural to not want a girl who bats eyes at many at the same time, you are already a ntrfag yourself!

>>49864962 (OP)
I believe that all this disgusting genre of porn comes from a deep hatred for women, at least from the japanese audience. I think that bestiality, tentacle rape, BLACKED, and the likes all come from a hate for them and a need for seeing them humiliated. They dont like vanilla love dovey stuff because they do not think the female species could be capable of genuine affection like that so they seek those freaky stuff that validates those feelings for them, and while NTR and the likes are more of a recent thing, those feelings of hate against women is not a recent thing, and that is why rape stuff was much more popular years ago before NTR came into play, same feelings but different outlets for releasing them.

Obviously there are cucks that indeed just like the idea of being cucked, but i think that they where not the ones reponsable for popularizing this stuff.

>>49882625
NTA. But I stand with this theory, it sounds so logical. But I really need more context on Japs hating on women. I thought it was just that they thought they were onidimensional, like in the animes.

>>49882625
>I believe that all this disgusting genre of porn comes from a deep hatred for women
yes but more like it's misanthropy. all people do share patterns even if at completely different proportions. and this this also extends to the self-hate that's so relevant to the topic.
what OP is trying to comprehend is, in the end, a misogyny/discrimination (>>49882236)<->misanthropy<->self-hate pipeline

inb4 this post will be misinterpreted as appeal to evil

>>49882625
I remember this one NTR work with the author's note, having two pages full of diatribe about him hating women. I'm not trying to generalize but it's certainly true in some works.

cuck cope: the thread


not bumping btw

>>49882625
>They dont like vanilla love dovey stuff because they do not think the female species could be capable of genuine affection like that
Isn't the point of fantasy to let you experience what you can't IRL? Even if 3DPD can't show love, there's no reason to extend that to 2D girls as well.
Do the ojisans drawing these doujins simply not care about being loved?

>>49883910
I am sorry if this is not the correct thread for this. But, I started believing that women do not feel genuine love after I warched a video on the opinions of certain philosophers (I think it was schopenhauer). Basically the video said that women only love for what a man can provide and that relationships are baaically an investment.

How true is this? Because as a man, I have experienced genuine romantic love, at least for fictional characters, and I want to know if women irl genuinely have never felt love the way we do. I always knew romantic love in fiction was way different but saying that half the human species basically are uncapable of that depth of emotion sounds insane. It just sounds so dystopian.

It's the thinking mans fetish for a reason. If you fall on the low end of the intelligence spectrum you will probably like netori but high iq individuals always end up with netorare

>>49883961
It is insane. Women are stupid and childlike, you know this yourself even without reading incel ramblings. If anything, their concept of love is more like a pet's. If you feed it, it loves you.
>only love for what a man can provide
Is a negative way of looking at it, and also overly complicated, like saying you only like attractive women because you're thinking about how likely she is to be able to bear a child and how well the child's genetics would turn out. They just love people who take care of them, it doesn't require sane and rational thinking.
>relationships are baaically an investment
Some women are like the proverbial animal that bites the hand of the mouth that feeds them, while others get abused and remain loyal til death.

>genuine romantic love, at least for fictional characters
This is also insane.
>depth of emotion
Insanity. You can feel love for even inanimate things, but romantic love is a delusion to cope with wanting to fuck something. Crushes, infatuations, and obsessions are just another type of insanity.
>characters
>s
You aren't any more loyal than a woman and have NTRed you past waifus.

You should understand that I'm not saying being insane is bad or unenlightened, merely that not everything is governed by rational thought, especially not emotions, which are not really known for making people act rationally.(For example, pining away over a character they cannot ever touch. Quite similar to characters in certain types of NTR if you think about it.) It's why you get those people and characters who think they are superior for being autistic to the point they cannot feel anything.

Women are naturally subordinate and really NTR is just an extension of the alpha male meme nowadays, but it's the same shit no matter who you are. On one side you get NTR bastard alphas who dominate women and become the pack leader, on the other you get lovey-dovey girls to the point of being kemonomimi who are effectively pets because the MC saved them or took them in. Normal relationships are because the male was bold enough to tell the girl to go out with him and dominant enough to protect her from other men. I don't really get guys who want to be dominated by what is otherwise a submissive girl, like monstergirl fans. Maybe they like pretending they aren't in control or maybe they're just weak willed enough that they want a girl to come up to them. I feel like monstergirl fandom is what happens when people actually hate real women, but ultimately it's still just another type of women being driven by animal-like motives.

>>49883910
>there's no reason to extend that to 2D girls as well.
There's no reason to extend bodily functions to them either but you still get piss everywhere. They just have a fetish for it.

>>49879565
Did you miss her holding up a literal sign that says "I'm so into you!"?

>>49864962 (OP)
>were the NTR and ugly bastard genres always this popular in Japan
Yes.

>>49864962 (OP)
NTR is like tentacle stuff.
It's not actually that popular with the local population and exists mostly because it's popular with foreigners.

>>49885021
I really want to hear more of what you have to say. Is just that I am a bit confused for your phrasing. Do women feel love in a shallow way?


>NTRed your waifus
I loved a fictional character called the Yukari, and also Eirin in the past. I really dislike those times of mine. These characters were specifically evil in their franchises. I had a mental conflict that I should not love them for what they do, but then I internalized they are purely fictional. But honestly, I hate ficto romantic relationships, my love for the Yukari made me daydream a lot, losing my time and even making me fall into addiction to her porn. To the point where I cannot look at other characters/lewd content without thinking about her, and the worst part is that I fell in love with her without realizing she was evil and now this all conflicts with me.

I am going to be honest. I absolutely despise ficto social relationships. It is basically wanting someone you can never have, that depending on the lore might even be an arrogant milloinaire or even a psychopath. Even if that does not affect real life, for me, it feels shallow. However, I DO respect people who prefer that over a real relationship because of the current panorama, but I wish I were aromantic.

About the monster girl and submissive men. I strongly believe that men who like dominant women partially (Because the rule is not a solid 100%) are men with low self esteem or self hate themselves. I experimented this myself a lot. I even wanted to be abused by Yukari. Generally when a man wants to be dominated in bed is because then is the woman taking action and just have to relax, but wanting to be dominated is often due to being a people's pleaser or a person that does value themselves.

Finally, do you think I shouls make a thread in /adv/? I am sorry if this a weird question, but I have a lot of things to ask.

>>49894896
>Do women feel love in a shallow way?
To summarize, I was saying it's insane to think women don't feel love or that they think think that hard about who they fall in love with. It's also insane to think obsession with a fictional character is deep, even though it likely amounts to "I think this drawing is pretty". But, once again, I say this in a "people are naturally irrational" way. Women get stupid feelings, men get stupid feelings.

I think dependent love is less shallow than love based on momentary attraction, which I'm sure most people would disagree with because you're told you should be in love with someone you fell in love with at first sight all your life. Love because someone takes care of you and gives you attention is basically how animals and children feel about their caretakers and has no reason to be betrayed unless the receiver gets greedy. I admire that kind of undying love, which of course is typical of anime characters. I think love by being around each other (friendships, similar situations) is probably the best type. It doesn't have the shallowness of a crush and is more like unconditional familial love without being weirded out by perceiving the other as an actual relative.
I have a rather negative opinion of love though, I think a character who genuinely loves having sex all the time with whoever is better than a character who claims to be loyal but cheats. It feels more pure to just admit your animal nature. I don't think doing bad things is a legitimate reason to like or not like someone. In the sense of characters, yeah a character might just purely exist to do evil, but in reality it's more of a literal love the sinner hate the sin kind of thing. Within reason, of course.

You can make a thread in /adv/ but I will not go there. I don't have any huge manifesto on women. I believe that they are more childlike but I do not believe that they are evil or less intelligent or anything like that. I think it derives from being more domesticated, which tends to be associated with neoteny as well as helping them be more socialized. This childlikeness leads to being more naive and submissive. I have a stronger negative viewpoint of the kind of men who see women display those traits and think they should abandon them instead of correct them or set positive examples for them to follow. It's not how you should deal with animals or children, and it's not how you should deal with women either.