Thread 49881427

>ZUN has been drawing Touhou girls for 30 years now
>his latest art (pic related) from his latest game is still as shit as it was from 30 years ago

>>49881427 (OP)
sovl

>>49881427 (OP)
What about the fact there are 30 games that play exactly the same?

>>49881427 (OP)
>still as shit
if you cant tell the hands are much much better alone you have no eyes and cannot even rotate an apple in your head even if you did.

>>49881427 (OP)
My life's dream is to be able to copy this artstyle
Also that scuffed nicovideo ms paint style from the 2000s

>>49881431
just copy it. people learn to copy art styles all the time.

doesn't his style actually look good on paper?

Buy Zun beer. Drink with Zun. Toast to Zun. Pour Zun a beer.

>>49881427 (OP)
PC-98 still looks better
There's some extra quality to Meira and her balls

>>49881430
That's not even his 30 years ago art. This is

>>49881427 (OP)
And the game still managed to sell enough to fund his alcohol addiction

>>49881427 (OP)
Quick question: Do you think Fukumoto can't draw better than pic related and this art style isn't purely a question of sticking with his identifiable brand? For context he's been drawing manga for 40-50 years and his art style has not shifted in at least half of that. If you believe he draws like that by choice, why don't you trust ZUN does the same?

It sucks, 16 still manages to be the last one worth playing

>>49881439
16 sucks.
18 is the best newhu game.

>>49881438
Fukumotos style looks good and expessive. There is no need to change

>>49881430
Oh yeah, you're right anon, his old art looks clearly better

>>49881436
This is actually better than his current art.

>>49881427 (OP)
Yeah it's great isn't it?

Which 2hus are gangsta and which are bustas?

>>49881427 (OP)
it is worse

>>49881427 (OP)
Moggs me hard

and yet he found a huge following for his works while you shit on him while doing nothing

>>49881443
He likely traced PC-98 sprites for that

>>49881427 (OP)
I fucking love ZUN's style and I love how in the past few years there's been a renaissance of artists dedicating their life into making fanart in this style

>>49881427 (OP)
post your art

and your code

and your music

and your personal beer recipe

>>49881427 (OP)
>Reimu becomes more Caucasian than buck-tooth-slant-eyed-ching-ching-ding-ding-dong chinese
>OP complains

>"i should play TH"
>start with scarlet devil mansion on normal
>it's tough but i can reliably clear first 3 stages
>patchouli is kinda tough
>"well, maybe i should use CCs to at least learn the next 2 stages"
>start stage 5
>4 fairies come out at the start
>shout out boss-level amount of bullets
>can barely get to the maid, which proceeds to shit on me even harder
what the fuck is up with this difficulty spike

stop posting and start translating

>>49881427 (OP)
>>49881428
>>49881430
>>49881443
That’s AI, he gives up. Steam notes that he uses AI.

>>49881427 (OP)
>dumb autist discovers art styles: the thread

>>49881427 (OP)
Nothing beats a classic, he's got that consistensoul.

>>49881453
Hold shift for focused movement

>>49881451
He makes his own beer? Damn what a passionate guy.

>>49881427 (OP)
Never listen to anyone who says "just practice"

>>49881427 (OP)
Zun is a HACK

>>49881427 (OP)
>his latest art (pic related) from his latest game is still as shit as it was from 30 years ago
Lies, BEHOLD.
>>49881443
ZUN isn't really a bad artist, he just used ot have huge problems with colouring, a lot of his art looks great, even the old one before it's coloured
I love ZUn's recent drawings, it matches his art-style and looks polished.

>>49881459
i know that, it just filters me hard, maybe i'm too much of a shitter yet
is there a way to train specific stage?

Post the newhus.

Is ZUN still alive? I hope he's okay in these recent days.

>>49881465
The sit

yeah and its pretty and has a ton of sovl not many art styles bleed this much sovl glory to the CCP

>>49881467
More beer than man at this point

>>49881469
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>49881469
Whyyyyy

>>49881469
This is a pretty on topic thread though

>>49881456
Stop being retarded, your mother raised you to be better than this.

>>49881431
I swear I saw a guide from a nip that explained how to do that style but I can't find it

>>49881471
>>49881472
>>49881473
are u gais good or what

>>49881455
We are slowly getting there

>>49881474
Steam AI notes are from the developers themselves who added the information. ZUN is using AI.

Pointdevice mode 1ccs are hecking cute and valid

>>49881478
>one aspect of the game uses AI
>therefore all of it is AI
Covid really did a number on zoomer critical thinking development huh

>>49881479
The easy modes are perfectly acceptable way to enjoy these games.

>>49881461
Watching videos can sometimes help. But they can also be misleading, often people will bomb through the pattern you're having trouble with or use difficult to reproduce or sub optimal bullet herding strategy

>>49881464
A huge portion of playing TH is about using bombs effectively. There is even a couple of frames AFTER you get hit where you can still use a bomb. I managed to 1cc eosd after practicing bombs more. Also try to get high score because that gives you extra lives, it's more important than it looks.
And there is practice mode in the menu for specific stages.

>>49881480
Oopsie! There's a bit of shit in your soup!
Don't worry, it's just a little pinch of shit, it's still edible, right?

>>49881455
>TRANS lating
gross

>>49881427 (OP)
hey do you guy know where to get touhou 20 for free?

>>49881485
why are you so mikophobic?

>>49881486
No, I don't

its largely digital coloring, his art is very pleasant

>>49881484
>AI IS BAD
>NO MATTER HOW IT IS USED, IT'S BAD
>NO EXCEPTION, NO NUANCE, IT'S JUST LE BAD.
Nuance is really dead. You have had generated elements in games far before AI became a big talking point.
Logically speaking, there is nothing wrong with AI if it's used on shit that helps to save time so the artist can focus on aspects that are actually worth the time. This autism over AI is because you were told to feel this way by the internet, the anon you replied to is right, you are incapable of thinking critically

>>49881480
>>one aspect of the game uses AI
>>therefore all of it is AI
Unironically this.

>>49881436
>>49881430
>>49881427 (OP)
The way ZUN draws and colours isn't suited to digital. When it's applied traditionally it's infinitely better.

>>49881427 (OP)
ZUN's an inspiration cause he proves you don't have to be good at art to make good art. His ability to actually render a character is pretty low but his character design is top notch. You just need to be really good at one thing.

>>49881484
Except that shit has bacteria that can spread around the soup, which is not like AI where the AI generated backgrounds don’t magically cause the rest of the game to use AI

Now that Touhou is all AI, what prevents you from making your own AI danmaku game?

>>49881495
its only the 3 that are ai tho

>>49881495
idk how to use ai

>>49881495
For the same reason why only superstars can waltz into a job interview wearing sweatpants and a dirty wifebeater, fart into interviewer's face and still get the gig. I don't have ZUN's reputation and the things I'll make won't viral on the sole virtue of being made by me, so I can't afford the marketing momentum loss caused by using AI.

>>49881495
Why the fuck would you make something that people actively avoid playing?

>>49881461
It is "just practice"
You just also have to learn while practicing.

>>49881427 (OP)
>AI assisted

>>49881484
>immediately jumps to food analogy
yep, it's a blue-haired zoomer.

>>49881480
Do you really believe he won’t use AI on everything after doing it on backgrounds. He is known to lied about many aspects of the game’s art multiple times. This isn’t news, he will cheap out on art every time. AI is the new tool for him. Your “I believe in ZUN” shows how newfags don’t care about the truth.

>>49881489
Cute

>>49881427 (OP)
unrelated but is there a reason why this series attracts so many trannies and spics?

>>49881505
Don't need to know english to play touhou

Translation when?

Yuyuko is ultra cute. Is she on the new game?

His art style has grown on me so much that I prefer his art to modern style recreations, even the good ones.

>>49881436
wait did zun do the art for pc 98? i thought the other members of amusement makers did that before he broke off from them

>>49881427 (OP)
Yeah I've always wondered this.
Why is the official Touhou art so amateur?
I thought Japs were good at everything.
30 years? Embarrassing.

>>49881511
It's endearing and the designs are neat.

>>49881427 (OP)
no it's not, retard, it's worse
pc-98 reimu is the truemu
winblows reimu is a filthy whore

>>49881429
>reiiden plays exactly the same as mountain of faith

>>49881436
SOVL NVKE

>>49881454
reiiden mogs the entire series

>>49881512
Most of the fanart by others MOGS the official artwork, name me another franchise where this is true.

post the sexy egyptian 2hu

>>49881518
Too late for that, everyone loves the husband-desperate god with the big mountains now

>Truth "The Last Battle"
What did ZUN mean by this?

>>49881517
undertale

>>49881517
Yes, that's why I said the designs are neat and artists knows how to make the most of them.

now THATS funny

>>49881505
no but it's probably a better one than sonic's reason

niggermod
>>>/v/718415844
niggermod

What the fuck?

LMAO

And nothing changed

>this thread gets janny'd to a different board
>and yet all the million culture war and political shitflinging threads that have nothing to do with games get to stay on /v/

It's almost impressive the way you guys think you can keep trying over there.

as is always the case, the guy genuinely cannot color to save his life

hmmmmm stone god you say
https://youtu.be/rrpugJtD5x4

>>49881553
he stills pastes random textures in dresses what did you expect

i dont really like this place because modern day /jp/ is a shithole i guess ill go back to whatever is happening in v

>>49881453
Git gud by practicing stages 1-4. Your goal is to reach Patche without. Then you can just bomb everything annoying in stages 5 and 6. Pro tip: use Marisa with master spark, its duration is long enough to get through most spell cards.

>>49881589
Because /v/ is so much better... apparently

>>49881431
>My life's dream is to be able to copy this artstyle
from complete zero to copying these in a good way is like 1 year of a 3.5 days a week practice

>>49881602
*without dying kеk

>>49881605
the modern state of jaypiss is bad, like really bad! at least /v/ has funny moments which makes it tolerable but /jp/ is like a bloated corpse at this point. it pains me to say that as somebody who likes /jp/ but seeing the moderation team here simply does not care about touhou is sad (not to say /v/ is better in that regard)

>>49881612
Anon, you underestimate how much autism there are around ZUN artstyle, there are numarous studies and guide book released by fan teaching you how to do it down to every details, and every individual game artstyle
I can even grab you several western artist who built their entire reputation off being able to draw ZUNart right now

/daiper/ containtment moment

Wait,this thread is just people complaining about what made Touhou stood out during its hayday

This era of Touhou was zun's art peak, and you can't convince me otherwise.

>>49881651
Not wrong.

Complaining about this in 2025 is retarded, ZUN have objectively improved, there are so many barefoot characters now because he finally learnt to draw feet and pose so he no longer have to hide it behind a fuck ton of frills
Like people used to meme about Satori Dino arm, that is a thing because he used to draw clothes first and then just do whatever for hands and leg, that is no more

>>49881427 (OP)
He draws better than me, I've been stuck on /beg/ for 10 years.
>>49881628
I disagree, now post flanfly

>>49881628
Frankly, I just gave up on discussing Touhou altogether and keep it to myself these days; I only came back to /jp/ because of TH20's release

>>49881714
>He draws better than me, I've been stuck on /beg/ for 10 years.
Please tell me you're trolling.
I've surpassed Zun's drawings in my second year of drawing.
So either you draw like once a year, or you have absolutely no idea what you're doing, or you're just completely retarded.

>>49881628
For some reason I got warned in that other /v/ thread that got deleted when I only had like 2 posts and this thread gets moved here.
I heard a rumor that the touhou threads on /v/ were back to normal, seems like I was wrong.

>>49881740
With the release of Iwanagahime, I knew ZUN was planning to make Sakuya Konohanasakuya-hime, but I just can’t prove it

>>49881767
we did not even get 1 whole full day of threads
we had like 2 threads during and after 20 that lived

>>49881517
Literally every western indie game with quirky artstyle

Filthy /v/hu niggers are bringing even more Kegare to this already tainted piece of shit nu-board.

>Traditional artist goes to shit after moving to digital and never EVER improves
Many such cases, sadly.
I don't know what the deal with Japanese boomers that they're unable to break through that.

I want to save her…

Yuiman, Ariya and Nina must be the cutest 2hu name ZUN have came up with for the past 10 years. The name exude feminine charm

>>49881833
Luckily I think everyone else does too so far

I need ZUN to release Konohanasakuya-hime now, she will be THE bitchy bimbo of Touhou

>>49881741
All of them. Unfortunately

>>49881893
Well then you already know how to improve.
Watch some tutorials, draw at least once a week(even if it's something really small), and try drawing from a reference if you haven't already.

/jp/ sure hates the new game huh

>>49881944
This is a /v/ thread that got moved here

itt:

>>49881950
why do they move threads about video games to /jp/ but don't move threads about vtubers to /vt/???

>>49881944
jaypiss plays the games?

>>49882046
They literally hate us anon, have you already forgotten?

>>49882055
No
I'm aware

But why should be go silently?
/jp/ RISE UP

>>49882069
It wouldn't be that much of a problem if the jannies didn't hate /jp/ as well.

>>49881914
Noted, what should I do about my retardation?

>>49882266
nta but it's terminal
try to apply for autismbux idk

Why did /jp/ of all things become so ZOGged?
Actually, I'm gonna answer it myself: Amerigoyim are too stupid to handle anything other than (((their masters'))) agenda.

>>49882383
I think moonies should nuke them again.

>>49882383
must be nice to be a complete retard that gets to blame one group for all your problems
even fucking anime image boards

>>49881427 (OP)
Why change something that's already perfect

>>498814843
>shit in your soup
>muh AI
you're not getting that remote illustrator job Baljeet

>>49882518
there's always a room for improvement

>>49881503
If it was AI it would look good

>>49881510
they didn't do a thing, he just published under their label

>>49882570
That’s the entire point of this thread, he used AI. He put AI notation on Steam. He openly admitted to using it. There’s no reason to believe it’s his art.

>>49881960
And neither of these people have played the game

>>49881503
you do not play the games

>>49883349
Why do you think that?

>>49883153
There is one, you can look at it and know if something is AI
Unless you are blind, or mentally retarded, or both

>>49883352
am i right

>>49883365
I'm not him, but please answer the question why do you think that?

>>49883369
because they're still making posts about this nothingburger drama

>>49883387
Why do you think it's a nothingburger drama?

>>49883390
cause the game is good and fun

>>49883419
Why do you think that influences Anon's opinions on AI art assets in the game?

>>49883424
i'm saying that anon is a secondary nigger if he cares

>>49883424
They don't play videogames and only care about online drama

>>49883427
>>49883430
Why is that? Do you think the art aspect of the game is unimportant?

>>49883430
This. Real fans are playing the games and having fun, fake fans are making up bullshit about Zun using AI as if that's anything bad. If he says using it is ok, then I'm fine with it. If he's a real fan he wouldn't give a fuck either.

>>49883437
it looks nice as always

Shit, ZUN once again did not miss with the ending screen, unlike the nostalgic feeling of UM, this brought a breathtaking feeling of witnessing a wonder…a fossilized wonder

>>49883446
Did you not play Stage 4, where many people have complained about the stage textures making the stage unnecessarily difficult?

>>49883453
i lunatic 1ccd and had zero issues with visibility on that stage

>>49883458
So do you think complaints about that stage are completely invalid?

>>49883443
This is probably the first time I seen someone using AI appropriately and not out of laziness so there’s no problem here. Why wouldn’t he use AI texture to depict a distorted space made out of mass of data? It felt right

>>49883460
yeah they probably just suck

>>49883463
Exactly. Idiot fake fans don't get the ideas behind Zun's choices and will make up any reason to hate on his vision

>>49883453
>Blaming background for being shit
Why are you outing yourself?

>>49883463
>Why wouldn’t he use AI texture to depict a distorted space made out of mass of data
Literally nowhere in the game is this a thing except maybe the stage 4, and even that's still a physical place.

>Hell yeah thanks for solving the problem for me again human
Real talk, why can’t we just explode her?

>>49883465
So do you think there is no place for the criticism of a game's art style in game critique?

>>49883475
not here

>>49883471
Look, he already said he feel like he need to use it given the theme of the game, and on that front he’s not lying
What’s the problem here? You are basically just forcing an argument at this point, even bringing it to the lore thread

>>49883478
Why?

>>49883480
Those who "criticize" Touhou are always looking to stir the shit and the complaints aren't even valid. The art is fine. Get over yourself

>>49883475
>>49883478
>>49883480
>Childish back and forth
You must be 18 to post here

>>49883483
So do you think Touhou is beyond criticism?

>>49883480
because the stage doesnt have visibility issues

>>49883479
>Look, he already said he feel like he need to use it given the theme of the game, and on that front he’s not lying
The AI slop added nothing to the game. The story and themes would lose nothing if he made the backgrounds and UI like normal.

>>49883488
He's a small doujin dev with a family, what's the use of giving him shit because of some nitpick details you personally find offensive?

>>49883501
Do you think ZUN makes so little money from Touhou despite all of its licensing deals?

>>49883496
I think otherwise, and that will be the end of it

Why is she so perfect bro?

>>49883507
If you can't defend your opinions, why don't you ask chatgpt to give you some arguments? It must be pretty sad being mentally on the same level as a computer program...

>>49883511
I think using AI to depict a place being corrupted by AI data is appropriate, and fitting
What else do you want me to say?

>WAHHHH WAHHH AI AI AI
Acting like Lunarians now huh?

>>49883513
So Ubame is just a character corrupted by AI?

>>49883514
Is that a negative considering ZUN has a hard-on for them?

>>49883514
It's antis stirring the shit, don't even bother

>>49883491
>no response
at least commit to your bait

>All the pro-ai jeets are just soulless ZUN dickriders who can't think for themselves
Holy shit lmao. Does anyone have that one Immunity Aunn image? These Indians hated that one, please post it.

>>49883518
You're the one saying people upset with the AI aren't true fans.

>>49883542
Because they are? They're just looking to latch onto the latest outrage and slander Zun. What kind of real fan does that?

>>49883573
Fans who care about their series not getting worse.

>>49883451
Ngl these were my thoughts during the ending screen as well. It was weirdly high quality for a touhou game ending, the song especially.

>>49881427 (OP)
It is a better artwork but he's still not good at digital and digital makes the flaws of the art stand out. His way of drawing face since 14 probably puts people off too since it's really wide and they always have weird noses.
Also I think sprites in 19 looked more consistent in quality than this time.

Also Zun please put shoes on the characters next time

>>49883640
Ending screen been getting a whole lot better since WBaWC, because it have this grand and nostalgic feeling, like "I-I actually did it"
UM have you looking at the rainbow sky after defeating Chimata too, which make you realize that it was supposed to be a once in a century occasion

I find it funny how Toyohime is now count as a FW character because this is her first game debut. So now instead of "Toyohime (SSiB)", it's "Toyohime (FW)"

>>49883905
gensokyo ran out of footwear

>>49881446
this potato is cuter than op potato

>>49883966
sounds like an incident

>>49883905
ZUN learnt anatomy once and the number of characters doing weird pose skyrocket
ZUN learn to draw feet once and the number of barefoot character skyrocket
ZUN learnt to draw bigger boobs once and the number of hag characters skyrocket
It's just the natural progression of an artist

>>49883524
Turns out jeets are the ones who hate moon beauty

>>49884040
What are you talking about? the Moonies ARE the jeets. Tech FTW. AI FTW.

A lot of misunderstanding in the lore caused all this confusion. First of all, the pyramid is more like Lunarian’s nuclear waste treatment center. It absorb all the “impurities” of the Earth and through Yuiman power, purify it into harmless resource for Lunarian to use
The actual incident is that the pyramid started slurping up all that trash AI product from Outside World and overloaded the system, so Toyohime had to do something

>>49884066
Also yes, all the AI background are like corrupted AI data from Outside world flooding out of the pyramids to the surrounding, and change the landscape

a

I just saw THE PYRAMID, and ZUN was correct about making this game worth beating, god bless whoever gave him the idea of condensing LoLK/SA and WBaWC into a single midboss

>>49883977
Shoe stealing youkai...

>>49883977
Their sure will be an incident in my pants if this continues

>>49881427 (OP)
Whatever. Jap is rich and married.

>>49884085
that nigger means business

>>49883451
That end screen? Made with AI

>>49881427 (OP)
His current style is objectively better from the technical point but it looks off somehow.
What makes it weird is that he also made this Reimu and she looks fucking gorgeous, I don't know shit about art but is it possible to be good at drawing on paper while being bad at making drawings for a game or something?

>>49886183
This is terrible. I'm deleting my entire Touhou folder and all of my drawings and leaving the fanbase because of this background image.

>>49886197
Traditional art and digital art are two different skill sets. Imagine a venn diagram that's nearly a circle, but those two tiny edges are extremely important. Compare the character portraits from 6-12 where he drew them on paper and colored them digitally, to 13+ where it's entirely digital.
Also, Reimu's left arm is way too long.

>>49886148
The danmaku folk was genuinely mindbroken by this lol, it was designed to be impossible and are meant to steal your bomb

>>49886197
It’s the color
ZUN digital art doesn’t have the watercolor texture he used to use, it’s all clean color patch that make the illustrations flat

>>49881427 (OP)
Because when ZUN!! was borned, God maxxxed out his music composition stats, he can't level up his draw skills no matter how hard he'd try.

>>49883514
My feeling is that it's a clever use of ai generated crap now don't ever do it again you fucking hack.

>>49882570
the ai he makes doesn't look good however. the crystal-looking ui frame is shit for example

>>49886197
What the hell is he using for coloring
>that smooth gradient on the hair
How

>>49888538
fucking markers

>>49888561
I know but copics don't look streaky like that