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Anonymous No.50122622 >>50122829 >>50123452 >>50126216 >>50126999 >>50127041 >>50128842 >>50143093 >>50156807 >>50157541 >>50158947 >>50161282
Unpopular Touhou Opinions/Takes
/jp/ is pretty contrarian when it comes to Touhou so I'm curious what hot takes (You) have about Touhou as a whole (games, fanworks, fandom, etc.)
Anonymous No.50122684 >>50122931 >>50123452 >>50128882 >>50129762 >>50150994 >>50152027
Suika getting Mizuchi killed in probably the most brutal and painful way depicted in the entire series ruins her character. Yeah no wonder she was a pissed off spirit that almost destroyed Gensokyo, she was betrayed and eaten alive without ever understanding why.
Anonymous No.50122776
I do not care for Koishi
Anonymous No.50122819
tranny thread
Anonymous No.50122829 >>50122855 >>50122931 >>50124374
>>50122622 (OP)
Not sure if this is a hot take but I wish there was male characters in the game, even if just a few. I know ZUN said they would look out of place, that he's not good at drawing and creating/expressing boys, and that Danmaku is more beautiful in a feminine way but it would still be cool to see male characters and the ways they'd come up with their attacks, like, just because it's a feminine thing doesn't mean only women can do it. Like, why doesn't Rinnosuke try Danmaku?
Anonymous No.50122855 >>50155934
>>50122829
i'd like more men but only in the vein of like unzan, less humanized and more monster/youkai like
Anonymous No.50122877 >>50122931 >>50123452 >>50124327 >>50128776
ZUN needs to zip it with the topical surface-level commentary. Bro you're a drunk Japanese programmer, not South Park.
Anonymous No.50122910 >>50126414 >>50126450 >>50129207 >>50133654
Reading 100,000 pages about Gensokyo won’t save you if you can’t even 1cc Lunatic (which is laughably easy), you’re just a secondary
The chart is (assuming these people never touch games in the same genre):
-1 N1CC = Spectator
-5–10 N1CC = Shows interest
-1 L1CC = Actually likes Touhou (still arguably in secondary territory, though)
-5 L1CC = Starting to drift into fan territory
-Doing meme challenges = Real fan or primary
Anonymous No.50122919
Danmaku rule is stupid
Anonymous No.50122931 >>50123148 >>50123526 >>50126185 >>50126195 >>50126347 >>50150994
-I think people overrated FW because the fanbase is deathly afraid of criticizing difficult entries (even if FW's balance is so wildly bad that the game can switch from being the easiest in the Windows mainline to one of the hardest depending on your loadout). It has a number of really strange design choices and fails at both balance and at providing compelling customization.
-HSiFS on the other hand is heavily underrated, it's a very gimmicky game but the balance is immaculate and you can run practically any combination of character and subshot and still have a good time.
-ZUN is terrible at wrapping up long running story arc, I've always known this but I think CDS helped me realize exactly why. He's really fucking bad at tying up stories in a way that's thematically cohesive and satisfying. CDS made this really obvious because the final battle hinges on this really poorly set up philosophical struggle between "Gensokyo is a crime" and "actually Gensokyo good" that just doesn't get a satisfying resolution. Nothing is solved, the good guy just threatens the bad guy until she decides to behave, most of his longer story arcs end in "and then character was defeated and it didn't really mean anything". This isn't an issue with most of the games, since they're self contained and the endings in them generally just need to wrap up a few loose ends and provide cute character moments (since the burden of carrying the dramatic climax of the story can be, thanks to the medium, shouldered by the final boss confrontation and the way the player experiences it through gameplay).
-The entire western fanbase is shit, if they're not secondaries spouting obnoxious memes they're probably massive tryhard faggots that jerk off over how hardcore their pointless challenge run is. Lunatic 1cc? Cool, I do those too and I respect the gusto. Lunatic 1cc + I didn't bomb + I didn't lose a life + I had one hand on my cock the entire time? You're just being an attention whore. At least scorefags, as big of cunts as they can be, are competing in something the game cares to measure. Challenge runs are just masturbation.

>>50122684
I do not like Mizuchi in the slightest and I still agree, it's such a weird character assassination moment for Suika. Like she was always kind of a low key manipulative and secretive asshole, but having her just throw someone under the bus like that when she herself was the one that had encouraged the behavior that necessitated Mizuchi's death.
And is it weird that I think Suika "regretting" that and just letting her run wild in Gensokyo makes me hate her more? It's weird, she went from a solid top 5 hu to I don't care where and I didn't even notice until a few days ago.

>>50122829
LE has a good number of men. As for men in mainline games, I'd have to say no outside of silent "accessories" like Unzan. Touhou has a very specific aesthetic with a very specific tone, adding male characters just to have male characters would ruin that.

>>50122877
You very obviously started playing the games with LoLK.
Anonymous No.50123148
>>50122931
I don't think FW is that difficult, especially with the tools at your disposal, as you said. People don't consider LLS hard because of its death rings, people shouldn't consider FW hard for the pyramid midbosses (MASSIVE stretch for the sake of giving an example, FW has difficult parts besides these two midbosses). Touhou opinions as a whole are a bit of a poisoned well from many factors, whether its the dismissing of newer entries on principle, and this hierarchy of opinions where the top playerbase's opinion is borderline gospel.
Back to FW, I don't really have that good of a read on opinions about it besides seeming more positive than anything since LoLK. It's a mixed bag for me, with it shining the most in its varied stages and the Wonder Stones & combo system encouraging proactive play. It can feel a litttle heavy on the sucker punches especially if you're trying to PoC, a few tells like what PCB Stage 2 does could have helped, but that aside, the variety is much appreciated. On the other hand, there is a lot of missed potential in the stones, the balancing of shot types, and the game's lack of incentive to switch away from their favorite build is unfortunate. Even UM which has clearly broken cards & useless ones at least had characters different enough to justify experimenting. Sakuya's DPS made her a great fit for centipede builds, Sanae's more for bomb cheese.
I can't speak for other places but there seems to have been, in my eyes, a fairly big shift on opinions about HSiFS. I see a lot more positivity about it these days. I think it shines in player expression with the season releases and the only scoring for extends system in the series that isn't braindead easy to get everything for. Yes, sometimes, there is a spell or two that are just "lol I press season release and I win" but I think summing up the game to that is very reductive.
Anonymous No.50123159 >>50123460 >>50125658
character designs in the latest games are very unappealing, forgettable and ugly. The last characters that stood out for me where Yuuma, Chimata, Takane, Megumu and Nareko. I miss the frills.
Anonymous No.50123452
>>50122622 (OP)
I wouldn't say we are contrarians. We simply aren't boot-lickers. Unlike the Asiatic hive-mind, we can say that what the guy made is shit, even if it's autistic screeching or just being wrong.
>>50122684
CDS and its consequences have been a disaster for the Touhou community. At least, the shitposts surrounding it are funny.
>>50122877
Damn, that hit hard...
Anonymous No.50123460 >>50123487
>>50123159
>I miss the frills
you posted a character with no frills
Anonymous No.50123487
>>50123460
It's the frills in the heart that matter.
Anonymous No.50123526 >>50123547 >>50124364
>>50122931
Do people actually believe that ZUN is good at writing in the first place, his go to is making characters unexplained and mysterious, letting your imagination fill in the empty space.
Anonymous No.50123547 >>50123598
>>50123526
Someone should tell ZUN that mysteries cease to be when he keeps explaining them (see: literally every official manga).
Anonymous No.50123598 >>50123615
>>50123547
It's better that way, do you really want an explanation for why Tewi and Okina don't like the Lunarians, or what's the truth about Larva, or Sunny Milk and Cirno's hidden power?
The reveal is part of a mystery story, but ZUN cant write climaxes or reveals. That and he recycles a lot of character ideas.
Anonymous No.50123615 >>50123651
>>50123598
I feel like you've misread my post. I said that I DO NOT want him to explain or reveal anything, yet that's exactly what he does in the manga.
Anonymous No.50123651
>>50123615
Truly the worst part of Touhou aside from touhou itself are the friends we made along the way.
Anonymous No.50123657 >>50124389
IaMP is the worse decimal game and Suika's theme is the most unmemorable final boss theme ZUN has ever created to this day
Which is a shame because IaMP has one of the most solid osts for a fightan otherwise
Anonymous No.50124327 >>50124406
>>50122877
I don't mind the commentary in theory. But yeah he's just not good at it/has nothing insightful to say. His "commentary" about AI in 20 especially falls flat considering he used sloppa to make it. "AI is... LE BAD (except when I use it!)" Give me a fuckin break.
Anonymous No.50124364 >>50125340
>>50123526
He's very good at world building and is obviously a rather intelligent person with the number of deep cut mythological references he manages to incorporate into his work. His dialogue certainly isn't bad either. It's just long form story telling that his weaknesses begin to really show.
Anonymous No.50124374
>>50122829
Gaaaay
Anonymous No.50124389 >>50124582
>>50123657
You sound like someone who got filtered by the game's difficulty. IaMP is a solid fighting game, which is way more than I can say for HM.
>Suika's theme is the most unmemorable final boss theme ZUN has ever created to this day
Now I know you're shitposting.
Anonymous No.50124406
>>50124327
TH20 wasn't about ai being bad, it's just a thing that exists in setting and brings about change for better or worse. The fact that you got "ai bad" from it makes it sound like you're an overly sensitive ai shill.
I'll say it though, if you want. AI is a gimmick pushed by tech bros and jeets with nowhere near as many applications as people like to pretend. You can generate as much garbage as you want, you'll never generate anything worth a shit.
Anonymous No.50124582 >>50124661
>>50124389
If by "filtered by difficulty" you mean Yukari throwing an unblockable and ungrazeable spell in story mode because lol lmao news flash that's not good game design.
I cleared all scenarios and never looked back, game feels like a "gimped" version of SWR/UNL in all meanings of the word.
And no I don't care about multiplayer because me and clearly everyone else would rather play Soku.
>Now I know you're shitposting.
Sorry you have shit taste I guess, Missing Power has some of the ugliest music synths ZUN has ever used and only the chorus is listenable, no wonder Broken Moon became Suika's default theme in SWR
Anonymous No.50124661 >>50124713
>>50124582
Look, I get it, I hate SFW because I had had negative experiences with that game. But it feels like you're letting that subjective experience blind you to more objective elements of the game design. Implying a solid fighting game like IaMP is worse than a train wreck like HM is pretty wild.
>Missing Power has some of the ugliest music synths ZUN has ever used
What? The synths are great, very other worldly and beautiful. The song also has maybe the best use of zunpets ever. Even the song's title is top tier. "Onigashima in the Fairy Land" is "Faith is for the Transient People" tier, the title alone gives you chills.
Anonymous No.50124686 >>50124713
HM is the best fightan
Anonymous No.50124713
>>50124661
Welp those are my unpopular opinions and I'm not planning on changing 'em, maybe one day I'll replay IaMP and HM back to back and see which one is the biggest piece of shit but for now I'm good
>I hate SFW
That we can agree in
>>50124686
Now that's just evil
Anonymous No.50124786 >>50124903
fightans are only good if they have your favorite 2hu, otherwise they are complete snca
Anonymous No.50124903
>>50124786
My favorite hu is Marisa so my opinion on fighting games is impartial and objective.
BTW fighting peaked with ULiL
Anonymous No.50125340
>>50124364
I'd say the emphasis on world building rather than story telling works in Touhou's favor even as it gives fan creators everything they need to work with. Things like Eirin and Sakuya's connection in IN or Marisa's goal of becoming a magician putting her at odds with Reimu will never be expanded upon and only exist for the sake of the doujin scene.
Anonymous No.50125545
Zun can't write a good plot even if it were to save his life.
He should just return to the silly PC98 style of writing.
Anonymous No.50125658 >>50125673 >>50125722
>>50123159
Funny you saying that posting the most boring shitty generic literalhu shit character in the entire franchise. I'm glad he went away from the frilly doll shit because there's already 50 characters with that look. Fuck I hate eosdslop secondaries so much.
Anonymous No.50125673
>>50125658
True. Yuiman is one of the best hu designs and she just debuted.
Anonymous No.50125722 >>50125750 >>50126045 >>50126157
>>50125658
eosdfags are more likely to be jaded oldfags
you want secondaries, look at the PC98fags
Anonymous No.50125750
>>50125722
case in point >>50125725
Anonymous No.50126045
>>50125722
Maybe on western imageboards at most
Anonymous No.50126157 >>50126232 >>50126254
>>50125722
Ironically the most recent poll proved that most Windows trilogyfags tend to be newcomers that enjoy fan works. Oldfags that stick around are actually really likely to stan for nuhus the want to see more of.
You're 100% right about pc98hu fags though. It's mostly westoids that want to be secret club faggots despite being contrarian nonfans.
Anonymous No.50126185 >>50126242
>>50122931
sample downloader doesnt understand that some shots just being worse is a good thing
Anonymous No.50126195 >>50126240
>>50122931
>You're just being an attention whore.
mad cause your shitclears dont mean anything and those people are better than you lol
Anonymous No.50126214 >>50126247
>something the game cares to measure durr
okay retards lets go by your own logic
zun didnt even bother to implement proper scoring in FW it literally doesnt even fucking work without patches
but he has achievements for no missing so those masturbatory challenge runs are therefore by your own logic more valid
fuck youre dumb just kill yourself
Anonymous No.50126216
>>50122622 (OP)
North Korea,
Dishwashers,
and also Gaza.

Anyway... With that out of the way. Not sure if this really counts but anybody else can't bring themselves to care about the animal realm? Very happy it's done and we hopefully never have to see that part of the lore again.
Anonymous No.50126232 >>50126254 >>50126269
>>50126157
Huh. guess I'm in the monority of newfags who have hopes for newhus
Also of course I'm right about 98fags, just look at /v/hu (please don't)
Anonymous No.50126240 >>50126299
>>50126195
Heard of the new LNN tryfag supreme extravaganza co-op mode where you need some to crush your balls repeatedly with a hammer blindfolded for the entire playtrough ?
Anonymous No.50126242 >>50126299
>>50126185
Only if you provide a compelling reason to use them (see: Sakuya A DDC). FW's balance feels like shit because there's also very little reason to not just run moon plus the two or three actually usable shots per character unless you want to handicap yourself. It's too shallow to make customization fun and too unbalanced to improve replay value by much.
Anonymous No.50126247 >>50126299 >>50126335
>>50126214
That's hilarious, but seething about someone making fun of your retarded NNNmastubation is also cringe so your post only evens out at a 5/10
Anonymous No.50126254 >>50126264 >>50127543
>>50126157
>>50126232
Imagine liking anyone past DCC.
Anonymous No.50126263
Imagine liking anyone past EoSD xDD
Anonymous No.50126264
>>50126254
>Imagine liking anything past IN
ftfy
Anonymous No.50126269 >>50126357
>>50126232
I'm an oldfag and eternal Marisafag but I have high hopes for Yuiman.
Anonymous No.50126299 >>50126335 >>50126358 >>50128613
>>50126240
>>50126247
i dont get what your point is
like people just like pushing themselves in a game they enjoy
u said uve done lunatic at the very least, imagine if some retard came up to you and started babbling to you about how you were wasting your time doing it and its just masturbatory and u shouldve stopped at ur 2 continue easy clear
scoring gets crazier and much more gimmicky than lnning or lnbing so your argument doesnt hold there either idk what to tell u
>>50126242
ill agrree with u that zun made some sections of the game borderline impossible not to die to with certain shots, i think having a couple dogshit abysmal shots in every game is fun though
Anonymous No.50126335 >>50126347
>>50126299
I was just joking about the lnn stuff (I'm not >>50126247), personally I just think that in the end, no matter how tryhard you get in the games to brag about it, the discussion just has to be taken easy, it's no serious bussiness.
Anonymous No.50126347
>>50126335
oh ya its even gayer to be a huge elitist about iti
teh guy i was originally replying to >>50122931
was being a faggot though so he deserves me shitting on him
Anonymous No.50126357 >>50126405
>>50126269
You think her being old friends with Kanako might imply a new Moryia Conspiracy?
Anonymous No.50126358 >>50126372
>>50126299
>i dont get what your point is
like people just like pushing themselves in a game they enjoy
That's fine, just don't be conceited about it. That's it.
Anonymous No.50126372 >>50126414
>>50126358
people were conceited about it like 10 years ago dude
youll find it pretty hard to find a sweatlord who shits on you not nolifing the games as hard as they do nowadays
those people are literally gone it was all in your head
Anonymous No.50126383
except for the chinese communiity theyre still retarded autists but fuck chinks idk why they havent been nuked yet
Anonymous No.50126405
>>50126357
I doubt it, ZUN seems mostly done with Moriya conspiracies, but I'm hopeful the connection will give her an in for future stories.
I'm not sure if ZUN will go this far but I'd love if Yuiman just became Sanae's new roommate.
Anonymous No.50126414 >>50126474
>>50126372
>those people are literally gone
Uhhhhh >>50122910
Anonymous No.50126418 >>50126446
I enjoy playing the new games.
Unpopular opinion.
Anonymous No.50126446
>>50126418
How dare you.
I played the TH20 demo as my first windows game and it's honestly fun
Anonymous No.50126450 >>50126571
>>50122910
hes not really wrong though
he's not calling you shit he's just calling you lazy
you can get a lunatic 1cc in at least 100 hours assuminig you care to which is really nothing
the games do genuinely only get hard when you put restrictions on urself its not like thats a bad thing its just what it is
Anonymous No.50126474
>>50126414
ah o ii meant to reply to you
Anonymous No.50126571 >>50126583
>>50126450
See, you're just humble bragging now. Conceited faggotry behind a veil of polite language is still conceited faggotry. Not everyone wants or needs to do autistic challenge runs. Hell, not everyone needs to do Lunatic 1ccs. If you're experiencing the games by actually engaging with gameplay that's fine by me.
Anonymous No.50126583 >>50126609
>>50126571
you dont need to
youre complaining about the people that want to
thats what makes you a faggot
youre teh conceited retard whos mad at others for not being as lazy as you are lol
Anonymous No.50126609 >>50126618
>>50126583
You're saying I don't need to, and then in the same breath calling me lazy for not doing so.
If you're going to shitpost don't be so obvious about it
Anonymous No.50126618
>>50126609
dude im saying you dont need to youre the one forcing your own inferiority complex ahaha what the fuck im not your dad
Anonymous No.50126999
>>50122622 (OP)
I think Seija is super sexy
Anonymous No.50127041 >>50127074 >>50127084 >>50127096
>>50122622 (OP)
SSiB IMO is a really good read and it's fucking annoying that another coherent manga is never going to get made again.
Lots of people criticise it for the moonies being mary sues, but they really aren't. That's like playing a game, getting stuck at the first boss and screeching that the bosses are overpowered because you suck. They're antagonists, and Reimu doesn't show up to steamroll them because that's not the point of the plot.
In any case, I liked it a lot. In regards to the other manga, whaletits just... never really got going as far as I can remember, because it's following a really obvious pattern of conflict in one issue and resolution in the next. The art is good, but oh dear god, the plot, it's so fucking... boring.
I won't even mention the fairy one and CDS. Again, good art, but the lack of a plotline beyond "tee hee look at what I wrote this month" just kills it.
Anonymous No.50127074
>>50127041
I liked Lotus Eaters at first, but like you said, it's just the same thing over and over again. Very much reads like "ZUN found some neat folklore thing and wants to infodump" in manga form. And not in a good way. Like the whole thing is just a pretense for some long-winded explanation about the poopoopeepee mushroom of the oogityboogity forest or whatever boring shit. Just start a blog, man. Could have been comfy official Touhou SoL, but no.
Anonymous No.50127084 >>50127096
>>50127041
whaletits can be replaced with mystia
and the three pedophile baits can be replaced as well
worst shit zun has done besides l*st word
Anonymous No.50127096 >>50127108 >>50127111 >>50127274
>>50127041
>>50127084
Hmmm interesting how moonslut glazers also hate comfy SoL character focused pieces. Focused on... earthlings?
I wonder who could be behind these posts...?
Anonymous No.50127108
>>50127096
no anon
i idont have SoL
i would like SoL manga
if it were based around existing charcaters that are actually guued
inistead of garbage like whaletits or the three pedobaits
understand?
Anonymous No.50127111 >>50127116
>>50127096
>SoL character focused pieces
I fucking wish dude.
Anonymous No.50127116 >>50127123
>>50127111
Sure, we got Marisa making mosquito repellent and Marisa being afraid of thunder.
To be frank if you don't like cute Marisa stories you probably never actually liked Touhou.
Anonymous No.50127123 >>50127139
>>50127116
Yeah man that's actually exactly what my problem with Lotus Eaters is. Good job figuring that out with zero (0) textual evidence to support it. Got anything else you want to pull out of your ass? Retard.
Anonymous No.50127139 >>50127235 >>50127274
>>50127123
I don't understand, you want SoL but you hate cute character driven stories with low stakes? It just sounds like you don't actually like SoL.
Anonymous No.50127235 >>50127273
>>50127139
he could just be one of those fags who need everything they consume to be as miserable as they are, you never know
Anonymous No.50127273 >>50127300
>>50127235
good job tryiing to talk about anyone being miserable when you post the most unfunny reddit meme unimaginble you secondary retard
Anonymous No.50127274
>>50127139
NTA but I'm 90% sure he's being sarcastic, and instead takes issue not with the low stakes story, but with the reused plot elements.

>>50127096
>Moonslut glazer
God I wish... I so want...
Anonymous No.50127300 >>50127315
>>50127273
>Spurdo is reddit
You do sound pretty miserable, and with a short temper, too.
Are you a manlet?
Anonymous No.50127315
>>50127300
why are you bullying me im soryyyyy
gf gfpds
Anonymous No.50127376
wow its funn how all the re retaredd faggos i was sarguign wtih this threads topper replying to me almost like
they know theyre wrong why cant people jsust admit it when they know im smarter than them and tat im right it snot thard you know
Anonymous No.50127426
>>50127405
youre relaly cool anon
Anonymous No.50127501 >>50127516
We need more mooncutie mangas
Anonymous No.50127516
>>50127501
One finger curls: You get moonies in a manga, but it's about Junko making scorched earth (moon?) of the Lunar Capital to finally get to Chang'e
Anonymous No.50127543
>>50126254
>DCC
Double Cunting Character?
Anyway, you're wrong because Larva came after that and she's super cute.
Anonymous No.50127561
>>50127527
idk
yo ushould probably
make actual interesting posts
instead of crying to jannies
youre a retarded faggot that nobody likes thats probably why they dont care about u lol
Anonymous No.50127576
>>50127527
The schizo rp'er is probably discord erp buddies with janny
Anonymous No.50128613 >>50128628 >>50160942
>>50126299
Not him, but xNB has basically become the de facto standard for how this game is played, and it always makes discussions weird. It usually ends up like this
A: "Uh, X boss is difficult any tips? Also, this shottype is really bad, holy shit. ZUN can't into game balance"
B: "Bomb the X spell, it can be dangerous. Also, Y spellshot is just a bad shottype yeah, but at least it has a good bomb"
A: "REEEEEEEE USING BOMB?! LKASDJLKASJDLKASJD!!!"
Like, if you care that much about difficulty, just play harder games. And if you do cripple yourself, expect the game to feel unbalanced lol
Anonymous No.50128628
>>50128613
>Also, Y spellshot is just a bad shottype yeah, but at least it has a good bomb"
God, imagine being such a shit shottype that you have both a terrible shot AND a terrible bomb.
hahaha...
Anonymous No.50128776 >>50128940
>>50122877
Where do the DDChus fit in on this chart?
Anonymous No.50128842
>>50122622 (OP)
The Printworks and games should just be clear cut separate continuities/canons. Especially when they've started to contradict each other at times. Like the whole "Ran is just the shikigami, the fox is a vessel with an inactive personality" bit that got retconned into, "akshually Ran is totally the Fox the entire time and even has animal realm friends!"
It'd also be nice if the series backed off the whole, every game is just the whim of some reskinned Japanese deity shtick, at least for a little bit. Shanghai Alice being a means to represent East meeting West feels like something that hasn't been true since EoSD
Anonymous No.50128882 >>50128903
>>50122684
ngl I was rooting for Mizuchi. She deserved justice for what happened.
Anonymous No.50128903
>>50128882
By the time we got to her epic tragic backstory I just couldn't be bothered give two shits about her, especially when her targets have almost nothing to do with her betrayal (I'm going to attack this shrine that literally only recently appeared in Gensokyo because... uh.... I'm evil mu haha!)
Like why not target Suika, the person that actually betrayed her? I mean outside of being a hypocrite that jumped at the first opportunity to be a pawn for the person who threw her down the river, a situation she was only in because she was a loyal pawn for this person.
Anonymous No.50128924 >>50128931 >>50129048 >>50129087
A Grimsokyo-fag's angst is due to Reimu having a big club, and they not being apart of it.

Also CDS and Reimu's ending monologue could have been better if there had an arc about the animal realm. (1) Yacchie and co enslaved human spirits presumably to sustain themselves. (2) Gensokyo has a 'free range farming' system ultimately for the same end. And ZUN could have tied these two ideas together with for a 'Gensokyo good' argument.
Anonymous No.50128929 >>50129186 >>50130741
The music CDs have better music and stories than the games due to ZUN not being restricted by the format of a danmaku/fighting game and are generally more interesting than "Ancient goddess/youkai in a silly dress causes an incident for some reason and Reimu and co. have to beat her up, while beating up five other people on the way"
Anonymous No.50128931
>>50128924
I can't believe Reimu would bend over backwards to save Kosuzu but would probably kill Marisa with a smile on her face if Marisa ever gave her the slightest reason to do so.
Anonymous No.50128940 >>50128946 >>50128947
>>50128776
They are mid windows, last "early" windows was MoFvvvvvarks
Anonymous No.50128946
>>50128940
Completely arbitrary designation.
Anonymous No.50128947 >>50130757
>>50128940
I know that but from the chart it looks like they have more in common with PC-98 era characters.
Anonymous No.50129040 >>50129117
I started with the PC-98 games and SoEW was the first game I played all the way through (though that's more because the Windows games wouldn't work on my computer than anything else, thanks Ubuntu) and to this day I genuinely prefer the general tone, atmosphere and characters of the first five games to the later games, they're just lighthearted silly fun instead of being forced social commentary on Japan's isolationism or whatever

I miss when Touhou didn't take itself so seriously
Anonymous No.50129048
>>50128924
If you want to be part of Reimu's club you are unironically the type of person who would betray your own brother for a cheap buck.
Anonymous No.50129087 >>50129096 >>50129107
>>50128924
The Human spirits in the Animal Realm aren't required for the Animal spirits to live though, the whole comparison falls flat on that.
The Humans and Youkai reached a mutually beneficial agreement to create the Hakurei Barrier and seal Gensokyo from the outside world.
The numerous factions fighting over control of the Human Village is very similar to how IRL governments try and influence and control cultural centres, but in this case all factions mutually agree to work in Gensokyo's best interests (though with a slight tilt their side for their own benefit). Whereas IRL this is not the case.
Akyuu, at the end of FS, said it best: Youkai, as a whole, aren't a single monolithic faction so they will fuck each other over to gain control and influence over the Human Village. The Humans ultimately have the final say in who wins. Therefore, as long as you are human, you can get away with anything.
Anonymous No.50129096
>>50129087
>as long as you are human, you can get away with anything.
I will rape Seija then.
Anonymous No.50129107 >>50129178
>>50129087
>The Humans and Youkai reached a mutually beneficial agreement to create the Hakurei Barrier and seal Gensokyo from the outside world.
No they fucking didn't. The outside world sealed away the human villagers AGAINST their will. They had no say in this. Even PCB prologue, back when the human village was still mostly a nice play (Well, it kind of didn't exist but that's a different matter) said as much. The fact they still threat outsiders with kindness and dignity is just more evidence that they are freaking saints.

God, I wish these fucking retards on threads like this would at least read canon before coming up with widely untrue conclusions based on absolutely nothing.

>Therefore, as long as you are human, you can get away with anything.
Except walk outside after dark or fighting for your own happiness and desires.
Anonymous No.50129117
>>50129040
The PC-98 games are fine as far as obvious Puyo Puyo ripoffs go, main issue is the characters are all overwelmingly bland or literal ripoffs of better works.

Dim Dream probably has the best cast and nobody likes playing Dim Dream for a reason.
Anonymous No.50129178 >>50129205
>>50129107
Why exactly was the village sealed? It's long since been retconned, but the PCB prologue says every villager was a Youkai Hunter, so it'd make sense as to why they'd agree to be sealed away with a bunch of Youkai. But presently I'm not sure. I've heard from some they were sealed against their will, while CDS makes it sound like the Hakurei's plan to save Youkai from going extinct. Is it ever made clear or is it one of those things ZUN leaves vague forever?
Anonymous No.50129186 >>50129206
>>50128929
What's the deal with Maribel and Renko's timeline? The album stories make it sound like they're living in some utterly fucked dystopian future, but only gives little glimpses into that.
Anonymous No.50129205
>>50129178
>so it'd make sense as to why they'd agree to be sealed away with a bunch of Youkai
It doesn't because the one mention of them all being Youkai exterminators, PCB prologue, explicitly says they were sealed away against their will.

>Gensokyo was also deemed useless to the new world, so priests sealed it away with a permanent barrier. Youkai and the descendants of the brave humans who kept them in check were sealed away in the process as well...
Is the exact quote. Notice that it explitcly makes a difference between the priests who sealed away the human villagers and the actual descendants of youkai exterminators.

>while CDS makes it sound like the Hakurei's plan to save Youkai from going extinct
Yes, the Hakurei Shrine Maidens. Not the human villagers. They were victims of that scheme.
Anonymous No.50129206
>>50129186
>The album stories make it sound like they're living in some utterly fucked dystopian future
It's hilariously enough significantly less dystopian than Gensokyo nowadays.
Anonymous No.50129207
>>50122910
Marisa yukkuri is on my right pec
Reimu yukkuri is on my left pec
"Yukkuri shiteitte ne!" adorns my neck like a gold chain.

All this talk of credit clears is for fake fans, show me where you've bled for this fandom.
Anonymous No.50129237 >>50129245 >>50129513 >>50145718
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfL5bZ3zN2QvRbWY7U4NTDfrZzDZ5NsilO2Wrq6KzM7AQPqqg/viewform
Anonymous No.50129245 >>50129258
>>50129237
Not signing up to your botnet, sorry
Anonymous No.50129258
>>50129245
Don't worry, I was expecting that response when I made the thread so I never linked it.
Anonymous No.50129513
>>50129237
signing up to your botnet, thanks
Anonymous No.50129728
>>50129667
>Sangetsusei is the best manga
Take so cold it would make even Cirno uncomfortable.
Anonymous No.50129762 >>50130131
>>50122684
>Suika getting Mizuchi killed
Didn't happen?

She leaves Mizuchi be after Mizuchi basically speaks the intentions that will lead to folks wanting to kill her. Suika is a free spirit, not a hero. She never has been a hero.
Anonymous No.50129768 >>50129878
all 2hus are built for my bbc
Anonymous No.50129878
>>50129768
Big bharatian cock, saar?
Anonymous No.50130131
>>50129762
Don't you think Suika asking a Shrine Maiden to pretend to be a Youkai and attack humans while Youkai and Humans are in the middle of negotiating for peace would put a massive target on said Shrine Maiden's back from both sides?
Anonymous No.50130143 >>50130186 >>50130330
Touhou would be a lot better if ZUN gave it the respect he once did as art and not as creator's therapy
Anonymous No.50130186 >>50131508
>>50130143
We get it anon you dicksuck an era you weren't around for. Le pc98 good, windows bad. Just play Cotton or something Jesus, cute 'em ups aren't rare
Anonymous No.50130303
PC-98 era sucks.
Anonymous No.50130330 >>50130737 >>50131508
>>50130143
Some of the best art is just a vehicle for the creator's therapy but ZUN just isn't an interesting or insightful guy so it falls flat when he does it.
Anonymous No.50130737 >>50139086
>>50130330
Unfortunately he's too well adjusted and not insane or traumatized enough.
Good art can only really be made by insane and evil people, everyone else is just a hack.
Anonymous No.50130741
>>50128929
>music
Somewhat agreed he showcases pretty good tracks he wouldn't be able to put in games otherwise
>stories
Meh, I can't say I care all that much for Merry and Renko as characters to begin with, I wish ZUN tried his hand at something like DiPP again
Anonymous No.50130757 >>50130788
>>50128947
Because the chart is clearly based off specific characters from each era rather than trying to fit together everyone from said era, PC98 is Yuuka, early windows is Remilia, mid windows is Junko and late windows is Ariya
Anonymous No.50130788 >>50130828 >>50131553
>>50130757
Ariya is way more in line with the early and mid-windows characters here, I think you're thinking of Yuiman but even then.
>Brainwashing people and forcing them be to work in google search centers is inhumane
With is a very milktoast toast most people can agree on.
Anonymous No.50130828 >>50130835 >>50131553
>>50130788
No, it's Ariya.
Notice her face being obscured and the weird ribbon part on her right.
Pretty sure this thing was made back when 20 was still untranslated and ZUN said he was using AI to make a statement therefore the BBC headline.
Anonymous No.50130835
>>50130828
So the memes just incarnate because it was made by some Anon's blown out of the water assumptions on an untranslated game?
Anonymous No.50131508
>>50130186
Nice insecure self-report, newfag

>>50130330
It feels like at some point he got it mixed up that Touhou coming from his interests means that all his views are inherently interesting, yeah. IMO the man's still got it where it counts. But I wish he'd focus less on philosophy and more on sound experiences.
Anonymous No.50131553 >>50133015 >>50134601 >>50134620 >>50161207
>>50130788
>>50130828
It's modeled after Ariya but it's also pretty obvious that the artist behind the image is a retard that doesn't actually know much about the characters he's praising or the characters he's knocking.
The "return to pc98" shitposting push feels really disingenuous in general, like the opposite end of the spectrum from the grimsokyo dishwasher retard. Not sure why there are so many schizos posting on /jp/ lately, feels like people haven't been gatekeeping hard enough.
Anonymous No.50133015 >>50133152
>>50131553
Because people are tired to the same bogged down tropes with no variance in ages? Just because you don't like the criticism doesn't mean they go away when you throw a fit, bring up a strawman, and just blanket them all as boogeymen you don't like.
Anonymous No.50133152
>>50133015
You can't really complain about tropes while also romanticizing the far more tropey writing of pc98. It's just hypocritical.
Anonymous No.50133654 >>50134601
>>50122910
1CCs? In THIS economy? Fund my time because my bread won't earn itself...
Anonymous No.50134601
>>50131553
It's painful to actually like pc98 and attempt any discussion 90% of the time... The pc98 girl doesn't even work with LLS, but I guess checking the wiki is too much...

>>50133654
It doesn't take thaaaat much time, just playing one run until you run out of credits every day or three and seeing how your skill progresses is really cool in any "arcade style game".
It's also a set amount of time so it won't suddenly have consumed way more time of the day that you would have expected like other games, or shitposting or whatever.
Anonymous No.50134620 >>50134635 >>50140085
>>50131553
>The "return to pc98" shitposting push feels really disingenuous in general
People used to be able to like whatever characters they wanted (including PC-98) without other people thinking it's some forced astroturf campaign to give people different opinions on fictional characters for some reason
Anonymous No.50134635
>>50134620
I wouldn't conflate liking pc98 hus with the posts that use them as some sort of retarded standard for "what Touhou should be" that hasn't actually been true of Touhou in over 20 years.
Anonymous No.50139086
>>50130737
Good art only comes through personal insight which can be either developed or stunted through trauma or supplemented by insanity if you're intelligent to begin with. Those traits by themselves don't make good art though, more than likely you'll just be some angry maladjusted psycho who mistakes for insane violent thoughts for a profound truth.
Anonymous No.50140085 >>50140191 >>50142744
>>50134620
There's literally a fairy fucker campaign right now where a westoid drawfag is inorganically pushing fairy scum on everyone. Sorry to say that yes, things are being forced by people, usually by autistic trannies and other such undesirables in those kinds of circles. For what reason I don't know, maybe they get off on feeling like they control people or how characters are perceived. For PC-98, maybe they do it not out of love for the characters but out of a want to set themselves apart from others. "I'm totally not like those other touhou fans because I like the cool old stuff and you just like the nuslop" that's why it feels disingenuous and forced. Because they don't actually love nameless fairies or PC-98s, they just latch onto it for a disingenuous reason like autistic control or being perceived as different or better than others.
Anonymous No.50140191 >>50142333
>>50140085
The annoying thing for me personally is that, despite openly mocking the "return to PC98" mentality, I do genuinely have my own grievances with the direction ZUN has been taking his stories lately. Specifically it feels like he's become too reliant on "by the way the bad guys played you and you ended up helping further their agenda" twists that just make the games' plots feel pointless. I mean FW is practically just a shitty retread of WBaWC, itself a bad retread of LoLK. It feels like we haven't had a clean plot with a satisfying conclusion since DDC, even the manga poked fun at this trend years ago but it never went away. It's just difficult to have that discussion when it attracts room temperature takes like "the real problem is that ZUN referenced current thing and that made me piss my pants in impotent fury", lines of discussion which are doomed to meandering into shitposting because there's no real substance or critique behind them.
As an aside, to give FW some credit it pulled me back into Touhou after UDoALG obliterated my desire to engage with it, so it probably did something right.
Anonymous No.50140468
muh story in a game about girls being cute and fighting each other then drinking tea
anyone who has given more than two seconds into the plot and has an opinion about it being good or bad needs to be shot
Anonymous No.50140906 >>50140985 >>50141037
(Coming from Japanese Person)
Western Fandom is comfier than Japanese fandom because people there manages to separate themselves from underage newfags gacha players.
Japanese fandom base themselves around algorithm relying SNS such as Twitter, People there are insufferable. This also applies to Westerners in that websites, but Western fandom has some parts that are not contaminated by these non-people.
Anonymous No.50140985 >>50141037 >>50157573
>>50140906
With all due respect (assuming your post isn't a larp), the Japanese community at least has the decency to produce good fan material. I could not tell you the last time I saw a western fan work that didn't make me want to vomit. I'd also gladly tolerate gacha players if it meant never having to listen to shrews cry about representation or social equity ever again.
I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
Anonymous No.50141037 >>50141051
>>50140985
Just because you dislike westabrap art style doesn't mean western fan content is bad. I also agree that western art style is terrible, and I rarely enjoy it, but >>50140906 has a point that people here aren't necessarily poisoned by twitter and gachaslop. At least in the west twitter """""people""""" are a small minority, I don't know anybody that uses it except a few that do just to look at Japanese Touhou art. Why Japanese artists feel the need to only use twitter is beyond me. People have tried making me move to it many times and I always shoot them down, they're so insistent even though the website is terrible and ruins the quality of your art to boot.
Anonymous No.50141051
>>50141037
Someone needs to create a Japanese focused alternative to Pixiv, my understanding is that Pixiv's poor management decisions have killed artist retention, so I don't get why an alternative art platform hasn't capitalized on their shortcomings.
Anonymous No.50142333
>>50140191
The story really is similar to LoLK, both even have a character connected to Okuninushi/Daikoku decide to start opposing the Lunarians after the incident.
Tewi since she sees an opportunity and has information on Junko thanks to Reimu.
Kanako since now she knows Yuiman and Ariya were also victims of the Lunarians.
Anonymous No.50142489 >>50142513 >>50142542 >>50144057
Less of a hot take and more of an informed take, but the fanbase isn't dying, moreso that the western fanbase, despite likely getting larger as a whole due to people getting in from the outside from different avenues, doesn't have enough autistic people as the Asian communities.
New people getting in, but we have barely any scanlators. Barely any new game developers. Barely any new good artists. It feels like despite having more people in the fandom by numbers now compared to long ago, fanworks are still carried by people from the asian side. Japanese 2hu community is a no-brainer, Chinese 2hu community has their armies of gamedevs and animators, and even the relatively smaller Korean community has diamond standard autists like MinusT, Mirae Somang, Riri Zpt, etc.
The only part where we can compete in is we have a decent amount of decent animators, but we got nothing mindblowing.
Which, granted, has always been the case, but you would think with the influx of people getting in, there would be also be a proportional influx of new western fanworks, but it's never really happened.
I think the hardest part that's especially gotten hit are scanlation, or hell just translation in general. I feel like there's barely any doing it anymore, when there was a time in /jp/ when fangame threads had people posting progress about the most random 2hu fangame translations.
At this point, it must just be a cultural thing. The spirit of doujin creation must just resonate better with them. Actively bleeding money and time, just to do something they like doing for the franchise they love.
25+ years of the Touhou fandom in the west, and as far as I know, we never had a "I have zero animation knowledge, so I self-learned how to animate 3D from scratch to make Touhou animations" (minusT). Never had a "I spend an average of 4 years per episode animating this anime series 98% on my own and spend a ton of money, and I've been doing this for at least 17 years, and I'm still doing it now." (Maikaze). Or just the grand fuckton of people from the Japanese Doujin community that have been doing this for the longest time, and some are still doing it after getting mainstream traction like Unlucky Morpheus, IOSYS, Marasy, and Kishida Kyoudan.
The closest we have is Potemki, and the guy just happens to be able to speak English, cause he's Ruski.
Anonymous No.50142513
>>50142489
>scanlators
who cares
>new game devs
who cares
>new good artists
who cares
the only thing the western community is supposed to do is spew out retarded garbage and we're doing pretty well
Anonymous No.50142542 >>50142551
>>50142489
I mean we do have some western fangames, that Sakuya FPS game came out a while ago and there were a few memey visual novels, but the big thing (outside of the massive elephant in the room, the lack of doujin culture to give financial incentive to produce fan works) is that Touhou really isn't as much of a (internet) cultural phenomenon as it was in the past. Weebs moved on to other fotm stuff, namely gacha. Hell, while I'd never claim that Walfas's contributions to the Touhou community were anything worth praising, his departure for vtuber simping was not a good sign for things to come. Even if there are more people aware of and playing Touhou games, they aren't really fans in the strictest sense. They don't contribute anything, even discussion. As far as core fan population goes, that peaked in the late 00s and early 10s and never really recovered.
Anonymous No.50142551 >>50143216
>>50142542
>that Sakuya FPS game
>visual novels
when we say fangames we mean danmaku stuff and not retarded fucking garbage using touhou as a crutch to get anyone to touch them
if you make touhou mods for existing games though that's cool, which the western community has done plenty of btw
>playing Touhou games
>they aren't really fans
spoken like a true secondary, faggot
Anonymous No.50142744
>>50140085
>For PC-98, maybe they do it not out of love for the characters but out of a want to set themselves apart from others.
Can't talk for everyone (I'm sure some are like that) but I genuinely like the PC-98 characters, enjoy posting about them and don't give a shit about standing out and I like the Windows characters too, if anything it's the "if you like characters I don't you're a hipster pretending to like them for clout and a tranny too" that feels inorganic, don't assume everyone is the same
Anonymous No.50143093 >>50143289 >>50143670
>>50122622 (OP)
Touhou fandom shouldn't grow further more than how much ZUN cares about Touhou. When you step back and think about it, it's quite ridiculous. It's only really liked as far as it goes because there's no good unified doujin culture alternative.
We have crazies obsessing over some EoSD scraped character code, and doing blood rituals, and worshipping some fanon interpretations of characters that could all get debunked just by some fickle trivia in the next official work. And these aren't even the most insane offenders. I don't care what Jung archetype spiritual Platonic idea crack you're on, those can't hug you and you're getting your brain stuffed with someone's regurgitations anyway. Moreover, you disrespect both them and yourself if you cling so hard.

If after 3 years of interacting with Touhou Project (or any other franchise with a fandom) you're not at least thinking of doing your research and create completely own games or worldbuilding, you're really messing up how you approach life.
Anonymous No.50143216
>>50142551
Pretty sure the vast majority of Touhou mods for various games (Rimworld, Darkest Dungeon, Old Skyrim LE Mods, Minecraft, etc) are made by chinks and koreans too
I still remember the time when there were two separate Mount and Blade Warband Touhou overhauls, one made by chinks and one made by the west, and they just coalesced into one at some point
Anonymous No.50143289
>>50143093
touhou's growth is always followed by a recline
Anonymous No.50143319 >>50143956 >>50143972
I think touhou and marvel should have a crossover movie.
Anonymous No.50143670
>>50143093
>When you step back and think about it, it's quite ridiculous. It's only really liked as far as it goes because there's no good unified doujin culture alternative.
There's no reason for Touhou to be alive for this long and for nothing to have taken it's place if that's the only reason. Touhou is also not the only thing out there with lax copyright rules.
Older doujin series existed before Touhou. Many, more popular franchises have tried their hands on the doujin market. Some of them have even eclipsed Touhou's popularity at some point.
All of them fall in popularity while Touhou still stays constant.
Even the Japanese are aware of how absurdly everlasting Touhou is as a franchise, that's how songs like Internet Survivor exist.
Anonymous No.50143680
I think Zun should create a fat ojisan with a mullet and have him date at least one touhou.
Anonymous No.50143956 >>50143972
>>50143319
Better yet, get a Marvel vs. Touhou fightan game.
Anonymous No.50143972 >>50145234
>>50143956
>>50143319
Alright, who does Wolverine netorare, who beats the shit out of Spider-Man for no reason, and why does Tony try to martyr himself?
Anonymous No.50144057
>>50142489
>you would think with the influx of people getting in, there would be also be a proportional influx of new western fanworks
There is, but western output tends to be more low impact, insular stuff compared to eastern projects.
Methinks the language/culture barrier plays a large part. Western efforts are front-loaded on translations, trying to unpack mythology references and cultural tie-ins that are obvious to the Japanese (and other east asians to some extent), not having an equivalent to doujin spirit, etc. Also notice how a lot of western works either downplay the "eastern fantasy" aspect for fear of fucking it up, or warp it into something else out of convenience. They can still be decent, but rarely top shelf because of it.
Anonymous No.50145234 >>50145242 >>50145685
>>50143972
My thoughts on potential matchups:

>Reimu vs. Dr. Strange
Both come from a long line of eastern magic practitioners that are the best in their respective fields and live in homes of ill repute, but one was written with a progressive bent while the other was written to be more traditional.

>Wolverine vs Mokou
Both are masculine immortal undying warriors who commit extreme violence and were treated poorly by their fathers, but one found a new family in the superhero community while the other pushes people away.

>Ghost Rider vs Byakuren
One metaphorically sold their soul and doesn't seem to regret it, the other literally sold their soul and is still struggling with consequences of it. Oh, and they both ride motorcycles.

>Mayumi vs Captain America
Both are soldiers deeply dedicated to upholding freedom for all, but one is willing to betray his own country for that goal while the other would never dare betray their master.

>Mystique vs Mamizou
Both are long-lived shapeshifters, only one is a lighthearted prankster while the other has jumped back and forth between being a terrorist and hero.

>Namor vs Murasa
Both held a grudge towards humanity and would sink ships and kill people, but one was inspired to become a Buddhist and try to change her ways while the other still mistrusts humanity.

>Hulk vs Okuu
Both were bestowed with great power based on radiation and nuclear energy, but one loves the power and has a family while the other considers it a curse and can't stay one place out of fear of causing mass destruction.

>Remilia vs Morbius
One is a natural-born vampire and proud of it, the other was created in a lab accident and struggles to contain the urge to feed on blood

>Blade vs Flandre
The ultimate vampire vs the ultimate vampire hunter. 'nuff said!
Anonymous No.50145242
>>50145234
at least spew your autistic drivel without redditspacing and bloating up the thread faggot
Anonymous No.50145685
>>50145234
gtfo with your AI slop
Anonymous No.50145718 >>50146509
>>50129237
https://youtu.be/hE3eg-M_ySA
Anonymous No.50146509 >>50146713
>>50145718
What an eye opening video, I've been seeing really retarded opinions recently and knowing they're from underage people and the youtube community it makes a lot more sense now.
Asprey should have stuck with Pokemon autism.
Anonymous No.50146713
>>50146509
That's the other AspreyYellow you're thinking of
Anonymous No.50150994
>>50122684
>>50122931
Why would you let this harm your opinion of a great character?
Anonymous No.50152027
>>50122684
I don't think it's character assassination, at the time Suika was under the impression that the youkai could still win totally without having to give up anything.
So of course she would fight for that ending.
Shuten-doji was one of the three great evils of japan and a half-youkai by birth. Suika's actions aren't surprising, especially when you take into account that unlike in the myth she didn't die, instead faking her death which led to Kasen trying to avenge her. Even if they would later meet back up again to rule over the oni of youkai mountain, as things are now Yuugi is the only one who didn't abandon her duty as a leader of the Oni.
Kaen became a hermit, Suika is a hobo, and number four is MIA.
Anonymous No.50155934
>>50122855
Wriggle should ride about on a giant beetle, because I think it'd kick ass.
Anonymous No.50155942 >>50156177
Sumireko hate is incredibly shallow and the dumbest forced meme.
Boo hoo I hate zoomers I hate modern Japan in my Touhou
Anonymous No.50155960 >>50156177
Sumireko love is incredibly shallow and the dumbest forced meme.
Boo hoo I love zoomers I love modern Japan in my touhou
Anonymous No.50156177
>>50155942
>>50155960
Agreed
Anonymous No.50156695 >>50156700
I have an autistic hatred for hornyposters. Lewd is fine as long as you maintain a balance and don't view 2hu as just wank material.
Anonymous No.50156700 >>50156715 >>50156751
>>50156695
I horny post, discuss lore, and play the games. I'm a triple threat.
Anonymous No.50156715 >>50156732
>>50156700
Your 2 continue normal clears dont count anon
Anonymous No.50156732 >>50156737 >>50156790 >>50156855
>>50156715
Lunatic player actually, but if it better fits your narrative about horny posters I can be whatever you want me to be.
Anonymous No.50156737 >>50156794
>>50156732
still shit if it's bombspam, sorry
Anonymous No.50156751
>>50156700
Then you're upstanding in my book.
Anonymous No.50156790
>>50156732
>no snarky reply that time
lol
keep fooling tertiaries porn addict, you're horrible
Anonymous No.50156794 >>50156804 >>50156805
>>50156737
Nah, he's fine better than not having a 1CC at all. If he has a Battle Garegga 1CC, that even makes him more credible in the gameplay community than having 25 touhou LNN
Anonymous No.50156796 >>50156805 >>50156855
I thought you said you were going to bed in your circlejerk thread? You know, here >>50156721
Are you really that desperate for attention?
Anonymous No.50156804 >>50156850 >>50156877
>>50156794
You're replying to a troll, anon. He's been going around threads for the last few weeks picking fights at random and stroking his own ego.
Anonymous No.50156805
>>50156794
what the fuck are you even trying to say ESL
>>50156796
i don't mind staying up a bit more to bully some porn addicted shitter
also it's not a circlejerk if it's just me i dont think you understand the term
Anonymous No.50156807 >>50156889
>>50122622 (OP)
While I do not condemn those wishing for Touhou, its world, and its character to follow a certain direction, sometimes even belonging to that crowd myself, I wish nothing more than for ZUN to retain his freedom as an author, even if it is to spend 2 months on the most trivial of happenings, or overuse certain tropes and story beats, stuff the game full of boring streaming, offer subpar presentation on spells even by his own standards, the list goes on.
Maybe i'd feel more strongly about this if I ever paid for his products, or try to put myself in the shoes of those who do, but I don't. Long story short, a part of what I find so interesting about ZUN is to witness the evolution on an independant, mostly solo author through his works. The road he's had from this passionate, otaku media loving developer as reflected from the references & traces scattered all over PC-98 & early Windows, to a man that has had time to mature, had time to be formatted by society even through his unconventional life, developed new interests, saw the world around him change. It is all very... human, more than interviews, ZUN's works speak for him, and it is rare for any piece of media to metaphorically share a life story as throughly as Touhou in its entirety is fascinating. Seeing the psyche of a man from his early 20s to nearly his 50s is beautiful.
Anonymous No.50156850 >>50156855
>>50156804
He was acting like a touhoomer wannabe, so I thought he was being serious, haha
Anonymous No.50156855 >>50156895
>>50156732
>>50156796
https://voca.ro/1eMydDfxpOW7
>>50156850
i dont think you understand this language enough to be able to follow what the fuck is happening
take your dead buzzwords out with you fag
Anonymous No.50156877
>>50156804
>He's been going around threads for the last few weeks
nigger what the fuck do you mean a few weeks it hasnt even been a week since i started refreshing this board again
i assume you're on crack cause you're obsessed with me and awake at all times to post the exact same thing and i think it's fucking with your time perception now
Anonymous No.50156889 >>50156898 >>50159388
>>50156807
>ZUN to retain his freedom as an author
Anons have said he's a relatively insular creator, but these past few years have shown more outside (fan) influence. Things like him realizing Flan's popularity due to his daughter's friends, or Ran's modern character development being attributed to a certain gamedev's wishes.
Makes me wonder how much crazier Touhou would be if ZUN stayed more or less in a vacuum, or embraced full-on outsider art.
Anonymous No.50156895 >>50156904 >>50156920
>>50156855
I think I understand enough. You think having broken X keys on your keyboard makes you a better person than other oomers, but in reality you're just the same clown. Bye bye, hope you have a job to afford a new keyboard that can actually press X so you can play the game properly and increase the number in the top right corner of your screen
Anonymous No.50156898 >>50156904
>>50156889
https://voca.ro/1bGCuqSxEkPl
Anonymous No.50156904
>>50156895
you're dumb enough for me to need to say that >>50156898 was for you
Anonymous No.50156920
>>50156895
braindead ESL cannot follow the conversation and makes shit up in his head as usual
i am TELLING you that you're retarded you won't listen to me if you trusted me when i said that i fucking KNOW that you can't follow this conversation and won't be able to make sense of it and that you shouldn't comment AT ALL cause anything you say is worthless BECAUSE YOU DON'T SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE you wouldn't have had to look like an idiot all you had to do was LISTEN TO ME
ugh seriously fuck these people im going to bed
Anonymous No.50156969
The mokou I hate this post was never funny
Anonymous No.50157541 >>50159254 >>50161795
>>50122622 (OP)
This is more a /jp/ opinion rather than a Touhou opinion and I'm guilty of this, too, so I'm not trying to say "I'm right and everyone else is wrong, stop having fun" in this post and I apologise in advance if it comes off like that. Touhou discussion is a good thing usually and I participate in it often but /jp/ in general (and maybe other sites too but a million dollars wouldn't be enough to convince me to use MotK or anything similar again) takes the series way too seriously sometimes, it seems to be a point of personal pride for some people whether you believe in "cutesokyo" or "grimsokyo" and most threads made about this are just bad-quality bait that seems to hit bump limit every time if they don't 404 first because the same two autists will argue about the same things they've argued about dozens of times before and fill up the entire thread with long back-and-forth posts with alternating green and black lines of text with each point meticulously dissected and rebutted for the one other person who will read it and won't change their mind.
It's fine to take something you enjoy seriously and I like Touhou a lot and would probably be a very different person if it didn't exist, but sometimes I get the feeling some anons here think that Touhou is real life and the actions of the characters have real-life consequences for how seriously they take arguing with random people who will never know their name over it. "Touhou lore" threads seem to end up just shitposting about fortune teller and how evil Reimu supposedly is and other boring things like that from people that seem get all their canon information from a single manga page.
It's not a bad thing to dissect and analyse a piece of art that means a lot to you, but when you're being very serious about and insulting people over their opinion on a character from a series that includes characters that look as silly as Ariya (as an example, she doesn't really attract this kind of shitposting but she does have a very silly design, even if ZUN put a lot of thought into it and I don't hate it that stone skirt will always be stupid to me) you should probably reevaluate your priorities.
Not to be all "4chan was better when I was a newfag" because I still consider myself a newfag honestly but I don't remember people being like this on /jp/ around 2010 or so. It was the Touhou containment board, as anyone who can google "4chan /jp/" can tell you, but Touhou was just treated for what it was: a video game series about flying girls shooting lasers at each other for vaguely-defined reasons with interesting takes on Japanese culture and mythology that you might learn some obscure legend from.
I feel like this change has happened slowly as ZUN himself has been taking Touhou more seriously, using it as a vehicle for social messages like "politics bad" and "AI bad". It's not a bad thing for a game to have a deeper message to it (it has a very deep message if you believe the esoteric Touhou threads, but that's another topic entirely) and ZUN can do whatever he wants with his own series, plus it's still unquestionably Touhou and retains a similar level of quality, even if every new game is the end of Touhou forever according to some people.
A creator is always going to change his artistic style over 30+ years, but he could be a little more subtle about it. FW could have been about over-reliance on technology in general rather than a story about literal real-world LLMs and other things that people generally play Touhou to get away from hearing about. He doesn't need to include a picture of Miko complaining about jobs being stolen by illegal youkai immigrants in the same cadence as Trump and saying the Japanese translation of "and some, I assume, are good people" (if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes I would never believe this was from an official book, he can't use the "Aya wrote this so it's not really canon" excuse forever) to send a message about how political leaders are often hypocrites who will say anything to win votes and that he doesn't like Trump in particular. Aya herself, for example, is ZUN's criticism of yellow journalism without imitating anyone specific, unless you believe the rumours that she was based on his girlfriend and future wife (it's a little unflattering if that's the case). She also has a character beyond "sensationalist gossip" and can be used for stories other than just "Aya writes a shitty article again".
I think I've made my point by now, and this post is a lot longer than I intended. If you're still here for some reason after reading all that, thanks for reading this far. If you just skipped to the end because you wanted me to get to the point I would have probably done the same thing for a post that's nearly at the character limit. This is more of a vent post than anything and I know nothing will change just from me making a self-absorbed 4chan post about it. Clearly I take Touhou (and /jp/ shitposts) way too seriously, too.
Anonymous No.50157573 >>50157581
>>50140985
>the Japanese community at least has the decency to produce good fan material
Like? Most doujins are hot trash.

Best Touhou fanwork was western fan fiction. It actually felt like it was written by people that like canon.
Anonymous No.50157581 >>50160910
>>50157573
Let me guess: you think Diamond in the Rough was great storytelling.
Anonymous No.50157901 >>50158063 >>50158132
I don't like boobhus, I don't like people who draw boobhus, I don't like people who push boobhus. Paizuri is a bad meme and oversized titties are as gross as any other oversized body part. People who see a pair of titties and go "good art" should just collapse. While I would prefer if all the touhous were flat, it's okay if they have normal sized boobs or look like adults, just within reason. I also hate the portrayal of Yuugi as big in general, she looks like a fucking loli in gym clothes. I also prefer the more anime style of older characters to the trying to add a theme in a sort of anthropomorphic style that modern otaku works also do.

This one isn't contrarian but: If you generate using AI, you DO NOT have a style, you DO NOT have inspiration, and you ARE NOT a creator or artist. You are just a goon passing someone else's work off as your own. And no I don't mean the ``artists'', most of whom can go collapse too, but rather the work of the people who made the programs. It's like having a commission done then going to the internet and expecting praise for giving someone $200 to draw your waifu with pubes. You are good at wasting money and telling others what to do, wow what a creator! What a fuckin' virtuoso!
Anonymous No.50158042
I'm not the only person who just superimpose Kaoru's personality onto Reimu, right?
Anonymous No.50158063 >>50158142
>>50157901
>she looks like a fucking loli in gym clothes
You wish.
Anonymous No.50158132
>>50157901
I wish I didn't have a porn addiction.
Anonymous No.50158142 >>50159176
>>50158063
nta but it's been known for a while that ZUN gives pretty free reins to his artists in regards to the actual visual representation of his scripts. I doubt ZUN specified "and then Yuugi appears before Reimu, her titanic tits threatening to spill from her robes, held up by the magic of public decency and our manga's age rating."
Melis No.50158947
>>50122622 (OP) (OP)
horror/political subgenres are abysmally underrated. real potential for alternate history or scary works ignored just because people are so used to moe.
Anonymous No.50159176
>>50158142
Yuugi's been portrayed as a tittymonster by alphes, azmaya in one panel, by the floatan sprite artist and by mizutaki
He's had multiple an opportunity to say "nah" but he doesnt
Anonymous No.50159254 >>50159302 >>50159334 >>50160532 >>50160532
>>50157541
I feel like this is a consequence of the Touhou community (at least in the west) having spent so long soaking in its own vitriol and being so fragmented. Outside of massive secondaries, nobody actually wants to be seen as "secondary", so it quickly turns into this big fucking competition over who can be the "biggest fan". Your 1cc is no good if you didn't play the way I play, your interpretation of the lore doesn't match my vibes so I'm going to argue over this for several hours to prove I'm the biggest fan (the truth of the matter, in this instance, is secondary to my being right).
There's a part of me that feels that it's impossible for someone who doesn't speak and read Japanese to actually, genuinely be a Touhou fan, and that's only reinforced by the things I see in this community.
Anonymous No.50159302 >>50159376
>>50159254
>There's a part of me that feels that it's impossible for someone who doesn't speak and read Japanese to actually, genuinely be a Touhou fan
you people are insane lol
just play the games and look at cute 2hus you fucking freak
Anonymous No.50159334 >>50159376
>>50159254
why you think the japs arent as fragmented is beyond me
Anonymous No.50159376 >>50159389
>>50159302
You'll always be experiencing the worls through another person's interpretation of the original Japanese.

>>50159334
I'll admit, that's just wishful thinking.
Anonymous No.50159388
>>50156889
ZUN was always aware of Flan's popularity he just didnt feel like using her because in his mind her character was best being ambiguous and hidden, its kind of why miss hidden god Matara was the one that pulled her from the basement for SFW

And ZUN himself has said he didnt add Ran in UDoALG because of his "friendship" with the undertale guy

All this said he's still influenciable as demonstrated by the guys in tasofro making him change his initial cast for hisoutensoku and the AoCF partner system and Shion being product of tasofro wanting a team mechanic in 15.5

Better question is what would the series have looked like past UFO if ZUN didn't marry
Anonymous No.50159389 >>50159404
>>50159376
>You'll always be experiencing the worls through another person's interpretation of the original Japanese
what the fuck are you saying
the games are always the same with or without a translation patch and 2hus are always cute as well
WAAAH ITS IMPOSSIBRU TO BE A TRU FAN dude kill yourself you are what you're complaining about
Anonymous No.50159404 >>50159495
>>50159389
ok secondary
Anonymous No.50159495
>>50159404
yea true i dont care for a 1:1 translation of ZUNs drunkenly thought up plotlines and dialogue im just an eternal tertiary
i swear i'm roundhouse kicking the next faggot i see writing a thousand word essay on le touhou lore
Anonymous No.50160532 >>50161184 >>50162008
>>50159254
>I feel like this is a consequence of the Touhou community (at least in the west) having spent so long soaking in its own vitriol and being so fragmented.
The internet, and especially 4chan, seem to have gotten a lot more cynical and hostile to everything in general in recent years, everything has to be some big dumb argument full of shitposting and name-calling and no-one can take it easy anymore. This thread is one example of that, even if there's still actual discussion here and it was always going to be controversial in the first place. I can't talk about the state of other Western Touhou communities because I don't visit them, /jp/ is enough for me.

>Outside of massive secondaries, nobody actually wants to be seen as "secondary", so it quickly turns into this big fucking competition over who can be the "biggest fan".
I could say a lot about this subject, but I'll just say that if self-described "primaries" actually played the games as much as they claimed to, they might actually enjoy themselves and wouldn't feel the need to shitpost about it all the time.

>>50159254
>There's a part of me that feels that it's impossible for someone who doesn't speak and read Japanese to actually, genuinely be a Touhou fan, and that's only reinforced by the things I see in this community.
I think a translation is generally fine and you're still a "real" fan if you don't know Japanese, even if a lot of Touhou media seems to be translated by people that hate Touhou and Japanese media in general, want to remove everything Japanese about it and have very questionable translations in general (I still haven't forgotten "little Kosuzu").

Some of the Touhou translators are genuine, but seem to be doing it just to get internet fame by attaching their name to something already popular without actually creating anything themselves and become the "official" voice of Touhou in the west because they're delusional that ZUN would hire them to officially translate the games one day. Japanese will likely be the only official language the games will ever be released in, but then again I didn't expect ZUN to ever release them on Steam either so he could still surprise me.

If your goal is to be a "genuine fan" for some reason and your definition of that includes knowing the original language then you may as well learn Japanese, learning another language is a useful skill and you'll get the original intended meaning instead of relying on someone else's interpretation of it. I'm cynical about it but I don't think the most popular translations are "bad" or changed for dumb reasons, but something is lost in translation when translating between two languages that have little in common. I don't actually know much Japanese, though, so my opinion on the accuracy of specific translations is pretty irrelevant to begin with.

Also I swear I'm roundhouse kicking the next faggot I see that thinks liking Touhou beyond "the girls are cute" and writing more than 3 words about it is for losers
Anonymous No.50160910
>>50157581
> Diamond in the Rough
Damn, that shit brings me back. When I first watched it I kinda liked it too lmao. If I had to watch it again I would be cringing my ass off.
Anonymous No.50160942 >>50161197 >>50161224
>>50128613
>it always makes discussions weird.
The last gameplay thread sputtered to a halt because no-bomb retards jumped on the throat of an idiot who asked something relevant to this topic (to be fair, he responded provocatively), then trolls came in and kept the ball rolling for ~50 posts until people got tired of posting and the thread died.

The eternal elitist dilemma is acting like a tryhard cunt scaring away potential players, and then crying "why is my genre dead? why is nobody giving me attention for muh effort?". This isn't the 90s when vintage arcade rep like highscores and challenge achievements were widespread. Nobody gives a fuck about such stuff anymore except them in their own shrinking circle.

Also is the board being raided? There are some very similar posts across various unrelated threads.
Anonymous No.50161184 >>50161234
>>50160532
https://voca.ro/1kEEBzSxzuV2
FUCKING FAGGOT REPLY TO ME PROPERLY REDDITSPACING SECONDARY PIECE OF GARBAGE
Anonymous No.50161197 >>50161234
>>50160942
https://voca.ro/1hr1eX0ZVVQ2
Anonymous No.50161207 >>50161224
>>50131553
>Not sure why there are so many schizos posting on /jp/ lately, feels like people haven't been gatekeeping hard enough.
there's no people left for gatekeeping duty, they all moved on.
Anonymous No.50161224 >>50161230
>>50160942
>is the board being raided?
refer to >>50161207 and the fact jannys are actively enabling these people by purposely not removing low quality posts
Anonymous No.50161230 >>50161237
>>50161224
you are the low quality post, secondary
i guess you dont realize lol
Anonymous No.50161234 >>50161247
>>50161184
>>50161197
>voca
Not listening to that.
Anonymous No.50161237
>>50161230
no vocaroo this time?
getteing lazy there, tranny-kun
Anonymous No.50161247 >>50161288 >>50161311
>>50161234
basically i was saying tha youre a redditspacing secondary that just made things up in his head and that nothing you said actually happened
you are a piece of fucking garbage by the way
like
the entire spirit of touhou is supposed to be just simple fun and fun
but fucking faggot loseres like u come aruond and overthink it and then we have 100000000+ word textwalls on every thread
you are a fucking piece of shit and shouldnt be allowed to post on this board, basically
Anonymous No.50161278 >>50161288
WOW IT FEELS GOOD TO BE OBECTIIVELY RIGHT
Anonymous No.50161282 >>50161291
>>50122622 (OP)
Yuuka in MS is not a bad shottype.
Source: it's the first shot that got me a game clear (not a 1cc, mind you)
Anonymous No.50161288 >>50161293 >>50161307
>>50161247
>>50161278
please commit suicide
Anonymous No.50161291 >>50161346
>>50161282
Is that a common opinion?
I mean it's weaker than Mima and Marisa imo, but Mima and Marisa are really good shots.
Anonymous No.50161293
>>50161288
>
yeah see all u can do is tell me to kill mysef none of u have been able to prove me wrong ever in this thread cause ur all faggots incapable of thought fucking loseres you reall honestly just so pathetic i mean how the fuck am i so much smarter than you its crazy just look at yourself man youre fucekd in the head
Anonymous No.50161296 >>50161308
not reading
kill yourself retarded roach
Anonymous No.50161307
>>50161288
>>50161131
He's a lil bitch
Anonymous No.50161308
>>50161296
YEAH YOU STUPID FAGGOFDSA
BLOCK YOUR EARS AND TRY NOT TO LISTEN
IM CALLING YOU A RETARDED FAGGOT BLOCK UR EARS AND TRY NOT TO HEAR TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BETTER OYU PIECE OF SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT YOURE JUUST PROVING ME RIIGHT FOREVER AND EVER
Anonymous No.50161311 >>50161335
>>50161247
Not reading that.
Anonymous No.50161335 >>50161421
>>50161311
ya just like i didnt read your worthless textwall lol
Anonymous No.50161346
>>50161291
It's probaly because she's slower than all other characters.
Also imo her spread is better than Reimu's homing talismans, even though the latter's shotgun can do a lot of damage up-close
Anonymous No.50161421 >>50161541
>>50161335
crawl back to pissu faggot
Anonymous No.50161541 >>50161552
>>50161421
if you know what that place is you should obviously go back to there yourself secondary faggot
Anonymous No.50161552 >>50161603
>>50161541
>secondary faggot
Takes one to know one.
Anonymous No.50161571 >>50161595
kys, both of you
stop repyling NO Us to each other
Anonymous No.50161595
>>50161571
i dont think you get to tell any either of us what we should do you secondary piece of garbage who the fuck do you think you are
Anonymous No.50161603 >>50161993
>>50161552
idk what ur triny trying to say cause im waaaay better than you in every way possible so it doesnt really apply whatever point u were trying to make u should probably just kill ursef or something
Anonymous No.50161795
>>50157541
>I get the feeling some anons here think that Touhou is real life and the actions of the characters have real-life consequences
I remember a discussion a while ago about all Touhou fans having some kind of mental or emotional deficiency. There was some truth to the shitposting, mostly that the silent majority here knows how to have fun and not use Touhou as a personality substitute. Or if you insist on being obsessive, channel it into art, writing, anything other than a rehashed argument.
Unfortunately, I feel this common sense is lost on nu/jp/, especially post-hack.
Anonymous No.50161993 >>50161994
>>50161603
>idk what ur triny trying to say cause im waaaay worse than you in every way possible so i really applies to point u trying to make I am kill myrsef or something
ftfy
Anonymous No.50161994
>>50161993
Is being able to understand what a projecting retard says a useful talent? Honest question
Anonymous No.50162008
>>50160532
This was my most recent post in the thread up until now and the guy engaging with the Vocaroo autist for some reason isn't me, if that matters. Even acknowledging him at all (which I'm still doing) was a mistake in the first place and I should've known better.