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Anonymous No.50124685 >>50125082
Whaletits Chapter 69
https://mangadex.org/chapter/43657162-8fb1-4213-8d88-01b7bd8ea39a
Anonymous No.50124695 >>50124759
Nice
Anonymous No.50124733
Yes, Marisa. I played Metal Gear Solid 3, too.
Anonymous No.50124759
>>50124695
yet another chapter of Marisa being cute
Anonymous No.50124958
New Mamizou outfit?
Anonymous No.50125000 >>50125018
Look at her sipping wine
Anonymous No.50125018 >>50125054 >>50125072
>>50125000
too bad this is probably the most we'll see of the 20hus ever
Anonymous No.50125054 >>50125705
>>50125018
They'll be the focus of the next CDS arc and 20.5, truth!
Anonymous No.50125072 >>50125092 >>50125100 >>50125503
>>50125018
I can see ZUN whipping out someone from 20 for a whale chapter like he did with Biten(lol)
I miss when Sannyo popped up, maybe Ubame can appear if she makes a return
Anonymous No.50125082
>>50124685 (OP)
Why does Sanae look cuter than any of the other characters in that picture? How does she do it?
Anonymous No.50125092
>>50125072
>a whale chapter
Half a chapter.
Anonymous No.50125100 >>50125130 >>50125503
>>50125072
I'm not expecting to see either Ubame or Chimi, both are massively antisocial and stay in the sanctuary.
Nareko has a slim chance now that she doesn't need to guard the pyramid anymore, but she's a character who doesn't know very much so ZUN can't use her as a mouthpiece or anything. Yuiman maybe has a shot in a Kanako-connected chapter. Ariya's also antisocial so I doubt she'll get a shot. Nina has a halfway decent chance just because ZUN could use her for any sort of gullible 'Nina immediately hops on board a dumbass trend because someone told her it was true' arc.
Anonymous No.50125128
WHALETITS!!!!
Anonymous No.50125130
>>50125100
Aya would absolutely love to sink her claws into her, and Reimu and Marisa are going to have to shoo the crow because they've promised to take Nina under their wings.
Sad thing is I could see Aya succeeding given how LE chapters tend to go
Anonymous No.50125335 >>50125343 >>50125449 >>50125484 >>50125501 >>50125534
this time something will actually happen. It will be an actual lightning youkai and Reimu, Marisa and Sanae will have to defeat it together
Anonymous No.50125342 >>50125736
>lightning
Ikubros, it may be our time
Anonymous No.50125343 >>50125736
>>50125335
>actual lightning youkai
lol. lmao even
Anonymous No.50125449
>>50125335
>this time something will actually happen.
good joke
Anonymous No.50125472 >>50125492
I was half joking before about Marisa being the new main character of this manga but holy shit, it's too blatant now. Everyone else feels like a secondary character.
Anonymous No.50125484 >>50125492 >>50125530 >>50129817
>>50125335
>Reimu, Marisa, and Sanae
You mean Reimu and Sanae while Marisa sits behind the cuck rock and watches
Anonymous No.50125492 >>50125499 >>50125508 >>50125987 >>50129817
>>50125472
Better than the t*ngu or the 'coon, tbdesu
>>50125484
Banana hair
Anonymous No.50125499
>>50125492
>spoiler
good source of potassium
Anonymous No.50125501
>>50125335
Anon
Whaletits manga is for comfy little things. No grand fight is going to happen
Anonymous No.50125503
>>50125072
>>50125100
I could see Ariya getting a spotlight if Mokou is involved, just to finally resolve that whole thing. I'd also give her a small chance of showing up or at least being referenced if Kanako gets a chapter.
Anonymous No.50125508
>>50125492
Mamizou is here though, as forced as ever.
Anonymous No.50125530 >>50125553
>>50125484
Oh, and what did Sanae do during CDS again? Tie up an innocent person that wasn't resisting and then fucking job? We don't even get to see what happens to her, Mizuchi presumably just dumps her in a ditch when she moves on to more important things.
Marisa had it rough in CDS but it was straight up a Moriya humiliation ritual.
Anonymous No.50125534
>>50125335
Look at the first panel, the colour of the cloud?
Unzan's just brapping on the village for fun https://youtu.be/VUepVrd8wug?t=27
Anonymous No.50125539 >>50125578 >>50129136
Let me guess, Reimu and Sanae will be portrayed as being in the wrong for daring to do their job and promote their shrine, just like 99% of all shrine maiden ploys made since 2005 or so. ZUN is too predictable.
Anonymous No.50125553 >>50125611
>>50125530
the truth of the matter is that it was an humiliation ritual for anyone involved in that manga
Anonymous No.50125578
>>50125539
I'm guessing right now that Mamizou just told Marisa the underlying principles behind outside world lightning rods and that it'll succeed where Reimu and Sanae's charms fail, another common Marisa W along with her mosquito repellent.
Anonymous No.50125611 >>50125627 >>50125628 >>50125632
>>50125553
Not true, Byakuren came out completely unscathed and was smug the whole time from how much in control of the situation she was during her time on-screen. Unless you count her being extra condescending and judgmental towards others this time around as humiliation to her character.
Anonymous No.50125627 >>50125725
>>50125611
it's pretty accurate to her floatan portrayal, really CDS works if you just imagine it as a fightan decimal game
Anonymous No.50125628 >>50125665
>>50125611
Isn't her being condescending and judgmental her actual character though?
Anonymous No.50125632 >>50125667
>>50125611
Byakuren's playing dead trick was genuinely really dumb (and had already been done a few volumes earlier) and only worked because the plot handed Mizuchi the idiot ball. Mizuchi knew about that type of ploy, she even suggested it when she was possessing Kaguya.
Anonymous No.50125659 >>50125662 >>50125670
Mesugaki ghost on hiatus? It's been months since last chapter
Anonymous No.50125662
>>50125659
ZUN realized it was a flop and abandoned it.
Anonymous No.50125665 >>50125693 >>50125730
>>50125628
Not in UFO
Much like Nitori becoming a boring retarded jew in the floatans because that was apparently ZUN's "true vision" of her, Byakuren's initial portrayal also changed drastically
Anonymous No.50125667
>>50125632
It doesn't matter why it worked, what matters is that it did and she came out looking good. Fighting Flandre was also nothing for her, unlike say, Marisa.
Anonymous No.50125670
>>50125659
New chapter after October, so by the end of November
Anonymous No.50125693 >>50125730 >>50125850 >>50125851
>>50125665
Nigger Byakuren is literally introduced as making baseless assumptions and acting incredibly judgemental towards the protags. The youkai Jesus meme was always secondary shit.
Anonymous No.50125705 >>50125720 >>50125723
>>50125054
20.5 will be the fighter. Think tasofro is gonna hand development to arcsys or will they just reskin the decades old game again
Anonymous No.50125720
>>50125705
if only tasofro didn't shrivel up and die, 18.7 could have been an ability card fightan similar to soku
Anonymous No.50125721 >>50125741 >>50128933
You just know she peed herself a little right there.
Anonymous No.50125723 >>50125746
>>50125705
touhou is never going to be big enough to get an arcsys game anon
Anonymous No.50125725 >>50125747 >>50125757
>>50125627
CDS doesn't work in any capacity, man. 6 years of pure agony and all because it's attached to a franchise I fell in love with in 2008 and now can't get out of. I have to eat everything ZUN serves me no matter how shit it is.
Anonymous No.50125730 >>50125850 >>50125851
>>50125665
>>50125693
Oh and also Nitori was always two-faced. Marisa even called her out on it in MoF. Shy Nitori was always a misread and SA cements her as the type of person to abuse power the instant she has it.
Anonymous No.50125736
>>50125342
>>50125343
Iku :)
Anonymous No.50125741
>>50125721
>You just know she peed herself a little right there.
Hot
Anonymous No.50125746
>>50125723
I'll accept French bread doing it. Chance for them to go back to their roots
Anonymous No.50125747 >>50125884
>>50125725
I like CDS though... I don't really get what's that bad about it and the hate is pretty hyperbole with nostalgia tinted glasses.
Character assassination my ass, they were always smug assholes to begin with.
Anonymous No.50125757 >>50125764 >>50125768 >>50125784
>>50125725
Suika will never recover from the damage CDS did to her reputation assuming anyone read CDS
Anonymous No.50125764 >>50125773 >>50125776 >>50125788
>>50125757
What happened to her again?
Anonymous No.50125768
>>50125757
>Suika
Suika was an asshole that beat random youkai for no good reason other than her ego. Also she's an oni with different morals so it isn't illogical nor a character assassination
Anonymous No.50125773 >>50125784
>>50125764
Tricked and betrayed Mizuchi and got her vored.
Anonymous No.50125776 >>50125784
>>50125764
Let mizuchi die but mizuchi is apparently confused because that didn't happen. It's unknown if she even spoke to suika then
Anonymous No.50125784
>>50125757
>>50125773
>>50125776
Mizuchi had it coming, both for falseflagging on both sides, and for thinking an Oni would help her with her deceits
Anonymous No.50125788 >>50125812
>>50125764
She was against the barrier and happened to save Mizuchi from an attack by youkai once, so she had Mizuchi help her (basically forced her by saying either help me or die) do faleflag attacks against humans to try and prevent the barrier from being set up
the plan went to shit eventually, the barrier got put up, mizuchi became known as a traitor to the hakurei family and everyone else, so the youkai hunted her down. Suika came to see her right before she was killed and basically said that she couldn't save her, and then she leaves and the youkai tear mizuchi to shreds
somewhere around that point, the hakurei shrine maiden of the time slaughters the entire youkai mob that killed mizuchi, finds the vengeful spirit mizuchi, and tries to forgive her and bring her back to the hakurei side (however that works) but mizuchi refuses and swears her grudge against the shrine, so she's sealed
Anonymous No.50125812 >>50125820 >>50125829 >>50125844 >>50125907
>>50125788
The shrine maiden found mizuchi before they could tear her apart, mokou and tewi confirm this
Anonymous No.50125820 >>50125837 >>50125840
>>50125812
Canonically, Mizuchi was yuri mommydommed to death.
Anonymous No.50125829
>>50125812
That was never confirmed though?
It was very vague and up for interpretation with the mountain of youkai corpses behind Grandma Hakurei.
Even Mokou wasn't 100% sure as she was just a third-party spectator.
Anonymous No.50125837
>>50125820
Post it
Anonymous No.50125840 >>50125879
>>50125820
Nah, she got titmogged by the youkai mob and died of envy
Anonymous No.50125844
>>50125812
no it doesn't, unless you think mizuchi managed to slaughter all those youkai by herself while injured
Anonymous No.50125850 >>50125895 >>50126637
>>50125693
>>50125730
So it wasn't that ZUN got worse, it's that the fans always had better ideas.
Anonymous No.50125851 >>50125926
>>50125693
>>50125730
>introduced as making baseless assumptions and acting incredibly judgemental towards the protags
Weren't the protagonists the ones that did that even before meeting her?
Byakuren literally just wants humans and youkai to get along, of course she's going to disagree with literal youkai exterminators.
Not to mention this is literally ZUN's comment regarding Byakuren in UFO from the fortune slip:
>In the original story, she acts like an overly nice person, but that's probably because she abandoned her human desires in the past.
So yes Byakuren's character did change from UFO to HM regardless if your revisionism
And Nitori in the floatans being how ZUN truly sees her is something ZUN said himself, implying a portrayal change as well.
Go sit on a dick.
Anonymous No.50125861 >>50125867
>Learn more about a person
>They aren't a wholesome goody two-shoes all the time
This is just reality
Anonymous No.50125866 >>50125874 >>50125885
Why do you need to hijack a thread about a decent manga to talk about a shitty one?
Anonymous No.50125867 >>50125870
>>50125861
Who are you quoting
Anonymous No.50125870 >>50125887
>>50125867
my inner demons
Anonymous No.50125874 >>50125909
>>50125866
As far as I love Lotus Eaters and its monthly cute whales, there isn't a lot of stakes/plot to theorise about
Anonymous No.50125879
>>50125840
Titmogged to death? Grim. Marisa needs to watch herself.
Anonymous No.50125884 >>50125918 >>50125984 >>50126090 >>50126409
>>50125747
The selling point of a cool mystery was abandoned pretty quickly in favor of a poorly formatted battle shonen, the pacing was screwed up by the artist swap, Mizuchi is a hard character to get behind when she just feels ripped out of a bad grimsokyo revenge power fantasy that just kind of exists to rip through characters you probably actually like. The themes are confused and underdeveloped.
It's easy to look at battle shonen and think "oh yeah it's just the fight fight genre the plot is just an excuse to get to fights", but in truth it's narrative stakes and the thematic weight of opposing philosophical stances that make battles in shonen so engaging. The issue is that Mizuchi's anti-Gensokyo stance is only developed enough to give her a thin excuse to rampage, while Reimu is only slapped with the opposing "Gensokyo good actually" argument at the very last second of the story. Reimu makes this grand statement but because the story dedicated literally no time to developing her side of the argument it comes across as flat and unsubstantiated. It results in a final confrontation that feels like it has zero narrative weight. It's just "they fight and Reimu forces the loser to play nice".
Anonymous No.50125885
>>50125866
This thread has already lasted about 20 posts longer than the average LE chapter thread does
Anonymous No.50125887
>>50125870
Take some medicine then
Anonymous No.50125895 >>50125903 >>50126008
>>50125850
Anon are you seriously mad that your retarded youkai Jesus mommy was shitty fan fiction?
If you want a big good morally upright character Eiki is right there.
Anonymous No.50125903 >>50125928
>>50125895
NTA but I want to fuck Eiki
Anonymous No.50125907
>>50125812
Dude what are you talking about? Its clear that Shrine maiden finds Mizuchi when she is already a vengeful spirit. Youkai corpses in that scene are Mizuchi doing.
Hakurei run as fast as she could to defend her masters like a good obedient dog she is.
Anonymous No.50125909 >>50125924
>>50125874
Okay but why can't you go make a CDS thread and ruin that?
Anonymous No.50125916
Namusan~
Anonymous No.50125918
>>50125884
I have never read a shounen that didn't instantly bore me by spending far too long on fightan and too little time on the stakes, honestly.
Anonymous No.50125924
>>50125909
I made this thread...
Anonymous No.50125926
>>50125851
>Weren't the protagonists the ones that did that even before meeting her?
Depends. You actually select your character's motives depending on your shot choice, with the general categories being:
Investigate out of obligation:
Sanae and Reimu
Investigate out of greed:
Reimu and Marisa
Investigate to satisfy curiosity:
Marisa and Sanae
Even if your protag confront Byakuren with less selfish intentions she consistently refuses to believe anything outside has changed and is always rather condescending. The youkai favoring angle was always there.
Anonymous No.50125928 >>50125946
>>50125903
Black.
Anonymous No.50125946 >>50127802
>>50125928
mmmm no
Anonymous No.50125984
>>50125884
I think Mizuchi not having thought out her position could work, if she was up against someone other than Reimu. Make that the point and have it lampshade by characters, Mizuchi doesn't really care, she just wants a justification for her grudge.
Reimu doesn't strike he as the chatty type or a person who tries to justify herself all that much, and as you say the story doesn't really try to justify her position either.
Anonymous No.50125987 >>50129817
>>50125492
>Banana hair
It's just her Bananza form.
Anonymous No.50126008 >>50126042
>>50125895
Eiki is evil and corrupt though
Anonymous No.50126016 >>50126022 >>50126464
everyone is le evil and le asshole
Anonymous No.50126022
>>50126016
But at the same time the are cute and sexy
Anonymous No.50126039
Lewdsokyo canon
Anonymous No.50126042
>>50126008
The only evidence of that is a short joke on an inconsequential ability card. Everything else points to Eiki being a harsh but fair beacon of justice. At the very least, she sincerely believes in her organization's idea of justice.
Anonymous No.50126051 >>50126107 >>50126129 >>50126133
But what about dishwashers
Anonymous No.50126090 >>50126158
>>50125884
I can agree about the pacing being thrown out after the artist change, but I disagree with everything else.
I've said it in the Mizuchi thread but Mizuchi as a character seeks to maintain the balance of Humans and Youkai forever fighting while Reimu seeks to maintain the balance of Humans and Youkai coexisting somewhat peacefully. This is the main conflict between the two.
I don't think it's a 100% grimsokyo revenge power fantasy as Mizuchi herself admits she can't do anything about it and that she's just raging against the system for the heck of it during her conversation with Yuugi. She consistently goads Reimu into exterminating her and is surprised when her 2nd sealing is postponed.
Reimu herself was conflicted from the moment she heard about Miyadeguchi from Nazrin. Given her usual mercy towards youkai and Mizuchi's monologue at the end, Reimu was never going to exterminate Mizuchi and Satori's lore dump merely confirmed it for her. Reimu was going to solve it the usual way she solved incidents. The epilogue of the volume seems to confirm Reimu's thoughts about the current state of Gensokyo.
Though a few factions are not happy with how it ended, Satori and Yukari being the obvious ones, but as they were the ones that enforced Mizuchi's jail sentence to begin with it's inevitable.
Anonymous No.50126107
>>50126051
They're all preoccupied thinking of ways to exploit the populace's fear of lightning right now.
Did you even read the chapter, anon?
Anonymous No.50126129
>>50126051
Why don't we just make Mizuchi the sole dishwasher for the entire human village until she's sufficiently atoned for her crimes?
Anonymous No.50126133 >>50126138 >>50126180
>>50126051
That ESL killed his own mom so he had to buy a dishwasher to replace her
Anonymous No.50126138
>>50126133
grim
Anonymous No.50126158 >>50126180 >>50126237
>>50126090
Thats really weird interpretation. You make it look as if Mizuchi was some sort of Khornate fanatic rather than some weakling who got betrayed by people who trusted her when they revealed their true colors.
And Reimu was completely schizophrenic about the whole thing. He monologue is utter nonsense that shows that she is either delusional or outright hypocrite mocking Mizuchi.
Anonymous No.50126180 >>50126193
>>50126133
>>50126158
speak of the devil and he shall appear
Anonymous No.50126193 >>50126209
>>50126180
Hakurei apologist cope at its finest.
Anonymous No.50126209 >>50126219
>>50126193
get off the computer mizuchi
Anonymous No.50126219 >>50126277
>>50126209
Only after you get Youkai cock out of your mouth.
Anonymous No.50126237 >>50126267
>>50126158
I wouldn't call Reimu a schizophrenic as she doesn't change her position or hallucinate anything.
Sure, she's not talkative but I don't think Reimu would try to protect Gensokyo is she didn't think preserving it was a good thing. She's not as angsty and tortured as some fanworks make her out to be.
Anonymous No.50126267 >>50126281 >>50126312
>>50126237
people like to pretend Reimu doesn't care about the villagers and only exists to do Yukari's dirty work when it's been spelled out for years that that isn't the case
Anonymous No.50126277
>>50126219
That's easy, since all the youkai are girls and it wasn't there to begin with as such!
Anonymous No.50126281 >>50126318
>>50126267
If she did care, she'd stop being the Sages' bitch a long time ago.
Anonymous No.50126291 >>50126305
Futasokyo
Anonymous No.50126305
>>50126291
grimspic and yurispammer are eternal enemies...
Anonymous No.50126312
>>50126267
Miko says it herself, Reimu wants peace without violence. Which is literally her goal during the events of CDS, a goal which she eventually meets.
Even if she threatens Mizuchi and ends up fighting her, she spares her life. Which is contrary to what Yukari wanted.
Anonymous No.50126318 >>50126339
>>50126281
she actively defied Yukari in CDS though
Anonymous No.50126319 >>50126364 >>50129138
Anonymous No.50126339 >>50126352 >>50126497 >>50129722
>>50126318
Dealing with the threat to youkaidom in a slightly different way barely counts. wake me up when she starts sending the villagers to the Outside world, or actively helping outsiders survive.
Anonymous No.50126352 >>50126390
>>50126339
>helping outsiders
LOL LOOK AT THIS DIRTY GAIJIN JEET AND LAUGH
Anonymous No.50126354 >>50126370
Why are grimniggers always spics
Anonymous No.50126364 >>50126380
>>50126319
What does it mean? This like is utter nonsense.
Get away with exactly what?
Its hilarious how she spews all that crap but doesnt give a single argument that supports it.
Anonymous No.50126370 >>50126375 >>50127820
>>50126354
Latin America is a grim place to live
Anonymous No.50126375
>>50126370
Do they have dishwhasers in there?
Truly grim
Anonymous No.50126380 >>50126399
>>50126364
>With exactly what
She says "anything as long as you're human", anon, english doesn't seem your strong suit
Anonymous No.50126390
>>50126352
If only those were jeets. Most of the time it's pure nipponese NEETs and lost children.
Why do you want those to get eaten?
Anonymous No.50126399 >>50126440 >>50126465 >>50126489
>>50126380
What exactly is anything? Any example of that "anything" that humans get away, that makes gensokyo so fantastic for them?
And work on your reading comprehension.
Anonymous No.50126409 >>50126426
>>50125884
After the genre flip, the mystery switched to what Mizuchi motives were. There were 2 moments where it was almost revealed to the reader before it actually happening.

One interesting piece is Mizuchi was served ice cream in the village suggesting Kanako's geothermal venture provides services there (i.e Refrigeration). If not for that one panel it would seem that electricity is served to the tengu and kappa but not the humans. Though strangely electric lighting was never seen in the village in any manga to my knowledge. So humans may not have it was bad as the β€˜Grimmies’ think. Though imagine if that ice cream panel didn’t exist lmao, it was more of a passing joke.
Anonymous No.50126426 >>50126478
>>50126409
>Though strangely electric lighting was never seen in the village in any manga
Kosuzu's house has an indoor lamp
Anonymous No.50126440 >>50126479
>>50126399
>Character says "anything" in big bold letters
>Uhmmm... That actually means nothing!
No, it probably means most of everything.
Anonymous No.50126464
>>50126016
I mean yeah that’s the basic premise of the entire series, Gensokyo is a paradise for monsters and asshokes from Japanese mythology.

It’s like getting mad that people point out Greek Mythology is kinda cynical and shitty, that’s just what it is.
Anonymous No.50126465
>>50126399
Reimu was more or less describing her own life and those of her friends but may not have the foresight to realize it. Bit of a let them eat cake moment.
Anonymous No.50126478
>>50126426
Thanks, some anon in another thread mentioned that they saw lights in the village at one point in FS but never provided where.
Anonymous No.50126479 >>50126562
>>50126440
Oh, so it's entirely possible to become the leader of the Human Village and destroy all of the youkai. After all, humans can get away with anything in Gensokyo, right?
Also who are you quoting?
Anonymous No.50126489
>>50126399
It means reimu won't act. As long as humans stay human. Doesn't mean they can get away with everything since gensokyo has a police force but reimu won't do anything about it.
Anonymous No.50126497 >>50126522
>>50126339
>If an outsider is fortunate and manages to find the human village, they can be returned safely to the outside world if they go to the Hakurei Shrine.
>However, there are also rare cases where outsiders settle into Gensokyo.
>Such outsiders are treasured, since they hold unique knowledge.
-PMiSS
Anonymous No.50126509 >>50127879
Evil Mountain Youkai force Human Villager to stake his life and gamble alongside a cute freckled Yamawaro and her yamawaro buddies.
Honestly this sounds like something Akagi would do
Anonymous No.50126522 >>50126533
>>50126497
Outsiders can be returned to the Outside World, yes, but nowhere does it say that the same applies to the villagers. Similarly, there's no confirmation of Reimu going out of her way to actively find outsiders before they're found by youkai or stumble into the Village by themselves.
Anonymous No.50126533
>>50126522
Anon, do you seriously think dumping a phantom human with zero documentation and no education into modern Japan is a good idea?
Anonymous No.50126534 >>50126551
Real talk, Gensokyo or Outside world during WW2. If outside you are a nip, expect to be conscripted. Faith cattle or cannon fodder.
Anonymous No.50126551 >>50126560 >>50126575
>>50126534
I'd pick Gensokyo over my current modernday life. 1% of learning magic and a guaranteed afterlife > the monotony of the modern rat race.
Anonymous No.50126560 >>50126581 >>50126612 >>50126705
>>50126551
>guaranteed afterlife
Yea, about that...
Anonymous No.50126562 >>50127879
>>50126479
The one being quoted is obviously the guy being replied to.
Is it entirely possible to become the leader of your own country and destroy all of the other races within it? Probably but I don't think people, youkai or not, would like what it'd do to the country. In this case it's liable to destroy the entire village, the local space time, the economy, everyone's social life if not their whole lives, and all the other sapient creatures within Gensokyo.
Nevermind the insane level of callous irony of being genocidal in regard to other sapient creatures just because of the presumption regarding intentionally vague lore. May as well call your neighboring country full of inherently stupid people and go Hitler, but that kind of writing belongs in 40kslop as we know.
Anonymous No.50126575
>>50126551
Better than 996-ing until you KYS or die from karoshi (overwork death).
Anonymous No.50126581
>>50126560
>"HEAVEN IS FULL, FUCK OFF"
why are celestials such assholes
Anonymous No.50126612
>>50126560
Pretty sure you get sent to the Netherworld if you're not judged to go to hell and can't go to Heaven, you'll get to look at Yuyu's cows all day.
Anonymous No.50126637
>>50125850
>it's that the fans always had better ideas
Yes, just like the fans were able to draw and arrange music better than him.
Anonymous No.50126705
>>50126560
You do, not just a guaranteed good one.
Even being an evil spirit is better than oblivion
Anonymous No.50126751
I like this thread, once in a while talking about the franchise is great.
Anonymous No.50126809 >>50126844 >>50126978
Humans falling into Gensokyo seem to hold no resentment towards the youkai eating them, sometimes not even becoming evil spirits.
This provides poor nourishment for youkai, who begin restlessly asking questions.
Finally, Mamizou, with her outside world experience, steps forward with an explanation: outside world malaise has made modern existence far more dreadful than being consumed by youkai!
The solution? Gensokyo must evolve! Overbearing OL Gensokyo!
Anonymous No.50126844 >>50126851
>>50126809
Sex with Racoons
Anonymous No.50126851 >>50126861
>>50126844
*Dog Racoons
Anonymous No.50126861
>>50126851
Old Dog Racoons then
Anonymous No.50126978
>>50126809
What an astute observation by Mamizou.
Anonymous No.50127146 >>50127163 >>50127209 >>50127238
The solution to the yokai question is to kill all fenale human, turn all yokai into females, turn them into futas, make them marry human males, and done.
Anonymous No.50127163 >>50127172 >>50127184 >>50127207
>>50127146
That second last step can be skipped
Anonymous No.50127172 >>50127180
>>50127163
No it can't.
Anonymous No.50127180 >>50127207
>>50127172
well i just did it
Anonymous No.50127184 >>50127207
>>50127163
Yeah it can no problems.
Anonymous No.50127207
>>50127163
>>50127180
>>50127184
I will have my futa yokai on male human fantasy, whether you want it or not.
Anonymous No.50127209 >>50127211 >>50127221
>>50127146
I actually really like Marisa so I'd appreciate it if you didn't murder her.
Anonymous No.50127211
>>50127209
Nobody cares
Anonymous No.50127221 >>50129194
>>50127209
Marisa should be turned into a youkai with a knee-length girldick.
Anonymous No.50127238 >>50127562
>>50127146
Where do gods and fairies fall into this plan?
Anonymous No.50127562
>>50127238
They don't. They're neither youkai nor human
Anonymous No.50127703 >>50127719 >>50127858
Man do I miss CDS. You guys think ZUN's gonna make another Manga where stuff happens before he dies from sudden liver failure in March 22, 2027?
Anonymous No.50127719 >>50127750 >>50127839 >>50129726
>>50127703
Name one thing of lasting consequence that happened in CDS that wasn't "and then Mizuchi became another victim of the Hakurei harem."
Anonymous No.50127750
>>50127719
yeah its hard to call CDS a manga where "things happen" when at best we were shown what the bamboo forest looked like pre barrier and some random Hakurei Miko ZUN didn't even bother designing himself.
Anonymous No.50127802 >>50127817
>>50125946
They're not saying you're black u-unless?
Anonymous No.50127817
>>50127802
HE IS NIGGERMAN! THE UNTOLD SAVIOR OF GENSOKYO!
Anonymous No.50127820
>>50126370
They got nationalised Dragon Ball Z and Tacos, It's the slavs you gotta watch out for.
Anonymous No.50127839 >>50127846 >>50127882
>>50127719
Nigga there were fights. Bitches getting thrown into trees and shit. Reimu went super saiyan.
Anonymous No.50127846
>>50127839
>Nigga there were fights.
That doesn't mean anything on its own.
Anonymous No.50127858 >>50127879
>>50127703
I just want CDS back to shitpost again with the /jp/memelords...
Anonymous No.50127879 >>50127894 >>50128678
>>50126509
Akagi would absolutely sweep, youkai cheating aside
>>50126562
That's always been my big problem with this grimfag's argument, aside from the absurdity of the idea that washing your dishes by hand is cruel and unusual torture. He essentially just wants to genocide an entire race of thinking feeling beings because of fringe cases and pure assumption (which is true of all genocides so really he just wants to commit genocide)... then again he's admitted himself to be a 40kfag, so it's entirely possible he's legitimately gotten "any sapient species other than humanity must all be wiped out because they're a threat" as the takeaway. Which is ironically the kind of thinking 40k was making fun of in its inception
>>50127858
Same, I really like CDS. I've liked everything ZUN's put out. Ironically the only thing I don't completely like is the floatan fighters just because they're so cartoony and strange. It's impossible to take anything you see on screen as canon unlike the Soku era fighters
Anonymous No.50127882
>>50127839
All that really didn't matter, in the end. You still got the 'everyone is buddy-buddy with each other' post-incident scene.
Parsee taking up counselling to feel better about herself and not be an envy goblin is probably the most character development you'll get, unimpactful as it was
Anonymous No.50127894 >>50127934 >>50129417
>>50127879
I'm not a huge fan of CDS, I just enjoy the chaos surrounding it. But, I'll be waiting for you next CDS thread. I hope some other peeps will get in on the party.
Anonymous No.50127934
>>50127894
I am very curious as to what the new plot will even be. It looks like Miko might be the antagonist based on that ominous panel but she also seems to be the antagonist for LE considering that arc where she captured Suika, found out about Miyoi from that leftover token and then was alluded to hunting her down in the following chapter before ZUN gave us more slice of life arcs to distract us
Anonymous No.50128678 >>50128701 >>50128710 >>50128916 >>50129417
>>50127879
Its hilarious how mindbroken some normies are by 40k. Let me guess you are one of those guys whining about it being "fascist"?
Anonymous No.50128701
>>50128678
He's referencing a past conversation where I e of the three regulars, Impaler, Nork, or Reimuhater kept bringing up Warhammer 40k for some reason.
It was extremely bizarre, and right now one of them is doing the same thing with the Simpsons on THP.
Anonymous No.50128710 >>50128724 >>50128748 >>50129417 >>50129426
>>50128678
Not that anon but I just think 40k is kind of gay. It's one of those settings that you only really hear about because someone is jerking himself off over how grimdork it is or how big the numbers are. It's not as bad these days but 40kfags had a reputation for being obnoxious back in the day, practically the bronies of ttrpgs.
Granted Touhou can also appear like that from the outside, especially in the 00s when most "fans" had no fucking idea about the actual canon and just jerked each other off over the idea of Yukari being "teh stronkest" character in fiction.
Anonymous No.50128724
>>50128710
40kfags stopped me enjoying 40k. Very sad but true. As a game, you have to rub shoulders with them constantly to actually play it. It's not as bad as ccgs but it sure is a magnet for sheltered kids with no social skills.
Anonymous No.50128748 >>50128772
>>50128710
Seriously you can just tell at a glance whether someone is a fan of something because they actually like it or just because they want to make something like that to express themselves but have zero artistic talent nor the motivation and strength of will to actually cultivate that talent so they latch on to something already made and start making it all they talk about to go "Check out this series. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane lmao"

and this is coming from someone who was literally *that guy*
Anonymous No.50128772
>>50128748 (me)
Infact we got one of these guys here right now >50128678, see how they use the keyword "mindbroken" implying 40k really is so shocking and edgy that it drives normalfags to insanity, but they of course can grasp it's true form and revel in it. But she is an interesting variation on the same guy as she's also politicizing it, but this is probably more due to the recent politicization of everything than it does say anything about them in particular
Anonymous No.50128916
>>50128678
I like the Dawrn of War games but I think making 40k your entire personality feels extremely gay, especially when it clearly doesn't vibe with most settings given how exaggerated and intentionally ridiculous the scenario in it and the thought processes within it are. There's a certain kind of humorlessness to needing to bring it up everywhere or inform your every view on things.
Anonymous No.50128920
Autists are just annoying in general, but when you have a series they fawn over constantly they just become completely obnoxious
Anonymous No.50128925
WHO'S
AFRAID OF A
LITTLE
THUNDER?
Anonymous No.50128933 >>50128943 >>50128944 >>50128951 >>50129132
>>50125721
Touhou canon? Marisa gets scared.

I love canonical scaredy-cat Marisa who is a lot of bark and not so much bite, despite fandom portraying her as eternally brave and strong.
Anonymous No.50128943 >>50128950 >>50129132
>>50128933
To be fair to Marisa; bravery is your ability to overcome your fear, not your inability to feel it. Marisa is plenty brave in that regard (just not stupid enough to try flying in a thunderstorm).
If she was completely unfazed by everything she'd just be some weird sociopath.
Anonymous No.50128944
>>50128933
seriously though
Anonymous No.50128950 >>50128952
>>50128943
So, Reimu?
Anonymous No.50128951 >>50128961
>>50128933
I mean there's probably few people who wouldn't be startled by lightning coming down close to them, have you seen actual powerful lightning? That shit is scarily powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOnAUnuMLk
Anonymous No.50128952
>>50128950
Maybe, if you ignore the CDS humiliation ritual.
And also every other canon instance of Reimu feeling fear I don't feel like digging up.
Anonymous No.50128953 >>50128957
Blatant fanservice, Touhou has declined...
Anonymous No.50128957
>>50128953
Yeah, I can't believe this artist keeps throwing Aunn into shots, blatant fucking pandering.
Anonymous No.50128961
>>50128951
Obviously fake, why would he set up a camera expecting something to happen? Try again, big guy!
Anonymous No.50129132 >>50129336
>>50128943
Obviously this means Marisa is Courage the Cowardly Dog then (nah but that's a good point about how trying to make a brave character just be unfazed by everything just makes them come across as a bit psychopathic)
>>50128933
It might just be because I'm a Marisafag but I don't like this thing of "Fandom portrayal is really inaccurate therefore we must overcompensate and think of them as the other extreme" we're not UTfags for fuck's sake. I will say people making her this brash, brave, constantly cursing badass does peeve me off. I think her encounter with Reimu in IN shows both sides of her pretty well, in Magic Team's route she's afraid of getting in a fight with Reimu to begin with (Alice has more teeth than her) but when Reimu was proving herself to be too huffy to reason with she hiked her britches up and decided to challenge her directly. In Barrier Team's route she's undeniably the aggressor in the situation (to Reimu & Yukari) and dropped some cool lines like
"If the night keeps going, the youkai will stuff themselves until they drop dead. Gotta exterminate them before they drop dead."
showing no fear initially but did run away halfway during the fight.

Also as someone who's had the experience of a danger close lightning bolt. IT'S LOUD AS FUCK. There is no way you can't jump a little unless you're expecting it.
Anonymous No.50129136
>>50125539
Reimu deserves to be executed by hanging.
Anonymous No.50129138 >>50129180 >>50129187 >>50129189 >>50129197
>>50126319
>Broke
It just confirms Reimu is a spoiled girl. This is her going full "Let them eat cake".
Anonymous No.50129180 >>50129199
>>50129138
Weren't you busy having this exact same argument on THP?
Anonymous No.50129187 >>50129192 >>50129199 >>50129256 >>50129297 >>50132171 >>50132502
>>50129138
I mean, yeah, they have a ton of cake so why not?
Anonymous No.50129189 >>50129199
>>50129138
...on opposite day where ZUN somehow decided to make the climax "look at how spoiled Reimu is" instead of "you can achieve peace without fighting, also you need to know that humans are protected in gensokyo" like he is very clearly communicating
Anonymous No.50129192 >>50129203
>>50129187
That human girl was fearing for her life and not happy
Anonymous No.50129194 >>50129261
>>50127221
>with a knee-length girldick
"With" as in she should gain it, or as in it should be used to turn her into a youkai?
Anonymous No.50129197
>>50129138
Submit this here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfL5bZ3zN2QvRbWY7U4NTDfrZzDZ5NsilO2Wrq6KzM7AQPqqg/viewform
Anonymous No.50129199 >>50129232
>>50129180
No.

>>50129189
>"look at how spoiled Reimu is"
That is literally the ending.

She doesn't understand what it's like to be somebody that is not Reimu. If she was a human villager, she would be dead already.

>>50129187
>They
Who? The poor peasants that make up most of the village inhabitants?
Anonymous No.50129203 >>50129208
>>50129192
This is not a face of fear, rather, the face of a psychopath that gets off from sending customers into sugary hell
Anonymous No.50129208 >>50129222 >>50129240
>>50129203
>A girl working as a waitress is smiling
>This means everybody in Gensokyo is happy
It's staggering the depths of idiocy Touhou fans will engage in.
Anonymous No.50129222 >>50129253 >>50129735
>>50129208
shame you can't recognise happiness ever since you replaced your mom with a dishwasher, the only person who would show you happiness
Anonymous No.50129229 >>50129287 >>50129292 >>50129699 >>50129736
Is there even a benefit to caring about Touhou "canon" in the first place, besides "being able to partake in retarded arguments on /jp/"?
Anonymous No.50129232 >>50129253
>>50129199
>That is literally the ending
If you are retarded maybe. It's perfectly clear that the story's portraying Reimu's insistence on a peaceful solution as a good thing. You are just too hung up on your fanfiction to accept that.
Anonymous No.50129240 >>50129253
>>50129208
Still less staggering than the depths of idiocy 40kiddies like you engage in.
Anonymous No.50129253 >>50129294
>>50129222
I've worked as a waiter.

A friendly smile does not indicate happiness. It indicates a desire to keep your job.

>>50129232
>It's perfectly clear that the story's portraying Reimu's insistence on a peaceful solution as a good thing
Her reason is complete nonsense and shows how delusional Reimu is.

>>50129240
Nah. Most 40k fans defending the Imperium sounds more logical than people defending Gensokyo or Youkai.
Anonymous No.50129256 >>50129262 >>50129267 >>50129300 >>50129697
>>50129187
Reminder that as per ULiL route Mokou doesn't have much money, so someone broke can afford this
Anonymous No.50129261
>>50129194
Yes
Anonymous No.50129262
>>50129256
Not as regular food, anon.
Anonymous No.50129267 >>50129284
>>50129256
Bold of you to assume Mizuchi paid.
Anonymous No.50129284
>>50129267
our cute vengeful spirit isn't a callous dine&dasher!
Anonymous No.50129287 >>50129291 >>50129296
>>50129229
/u/ is over there >>>/u/ if you want to throw canon in the toilet
Anonymous No.50129291 >>50129295
>>50129287
Nah I'll stay here
Anonymous No.50129292 >>50129296
>>50129229
Not being fucking annoying.
Anonymous No.50129294
>>50129253
>Her reason is complete nonsense and shows how delusional Reimu is.
Again on opposite day where you weren't profoundly retarded
Anonymous No.50129295 >>50129302
>>50129291
It seems like you would prefer somewhere else. Your ball.
Anonymous No.50129296 >>50129317 >>50129333
>>50129287
>>50129292
Thanks for proving me right.
Anonymous No.50129297
>>50129187
They have mountains of icecream for youkai visitors but zero real food, this is why everyone is fat in gensokyo
Anonymous No.50129300 >>50129550
>>50129256
She does yakitori though
Anonymous No.50129302 >>50129308
>>50129295
Good thing /jp/ isn't exclusively for Touhou then
Anonymous No.50129308
>>50129302
...This is a Touhou thread, anon.
Anonymous No.50129317
>>50129296
Look, I'm fine with disliking canon but I can only swallow so many people taking nonsense they got from shitty fan memes and thinking it's canon in a single day.
Anonymous No.50129333 >>50129342
>>50129296
God forbid you care about the source material, hell yeah brother, so cool
Anonymous No.50129336 >>50129347 >>50129356
>>50129132
>this thing of "Fandom portrayal is really inaccurate therefore we must overcompensate and think of them as the other extreme"
dunno what you're talking about

nothing I said was an extreme, Marisa is canonically an ordinary human who puts herself into extraordinary circumstances despite often fearing them. She isn't some bastion of fearlessness, but has many many examples of being worried, anxious, or downright scared in canon. It contrasts her with Reimu who rarely feels genuine concern over anything
Anonymous No.50129342 >>50129344
>>50129333
ZUN doesn't care about said "source material" besides the fame and money it brings, so why should you care, either? If you still think he's doing it out of passion, you're gravely mistaken.
Anonymous No.50129344 >>50129349
>>50129342
right on brother, the classic "ZUN doesn't care" lie brother
Anonymous No.50129347 >>50129353
>>50129336
I mean, Marisa is very, VERY rarely afraid all things considered.
Anonymous No.50129349 >>50129358
>>50129344
ZUN cares so much he's been overworking himself since UM, I genuinely don't get why people feel the need to lie and convince everyone to hate something good
Anonymous No.50129353 >>50129355
>>50129347
one of her titles is even Boldly Timid Human, just saying
Anonymous No.50129355 >>50129357
>>50129353
I get that, but in practice she very rarely actually shows any fear.
Anonymous No.50129356 >>50129357
>>50129336
"canonical scaredy-cat Marisa a lot of bark and not so much bite"
Anonymous No.50129357 >>50129395
>>50129355
I really would not say very rarely. I'm not going to autistically grab every single instance for you, but there are many especially across manga though it comes up in games as well--her worries etc

Her entire thing is working extremely hard to compensate for her standard human weakness, and hiding how hard she works.

>>50129356
Yeah?
Anonymous No.50129358 >>50129374
>>50129349
>he's been overworking himself
According to ZUN himself, right? Hint: he's never been sincere.
>hate something good
Touhou has never been good.
Anonymous No.50129362 >>50129382
I thought this LE thread seem longer than usual and holy shit it’s just as I expected, people are talking about CDS
Anonymous No.50129371 >>50129380 >>50129745
Remember no matter how much of a smug asshole your 2hu is, they will always be less petty than Konohanasakuyahime whenever she debut
Anonymous No.50129374 >>50129386 >>50129416
>>50129358
No not according to ZUN himself, from observing how many projects he keeps trying to cram full of content that he's mentioned exhausts him yet continuing to do so again and again
Dunno why I'm replying though cause picrel
Anonymous No.50129376
Anonymous No.50129380 >>50129383 >>50129396 >>50129416
>>50129371
Also reading this make me realize the 2 Wing being Ariya represent the smoke and the inextinguishable flame she yoinked from Mount Fuji. ZUN doubter BTFO’ed
Anonymous No.50129382
>>50129362
That and low effort trolling + dumbass grimsokyo takes that seems to be in every manga discussion thread
Anonymous No.50129383
>>50129380
Damn, what a homely hag...
Anonymous No.50129386 >>50129393
>>50129374
at least the bait seemed to have scared the grimtard away
Anonymous No.50129393
>>50129386
I'm still here, anon.
Anonymous No.50129394 >>50129400
Reimu CDS speech was mad funny because she was so confident in it. You just know she just bullshitting hoping it will work
Anonymous No.50129395
>>50129357
>Her entire thing is working extremely hard to compensate for her standard human weakness, and hiding how hard she works.
I agree, but most of the time her snark and behavior isn't just all bark.
Anonymous No.50129396 >>50129402 >>50129416
>>50129380
It's also evocative of a phoenix wing which fits her being the goddess of immortality and ties her to Mokou more, since even in CiLR Mokou places a lot of importance to her saying she wants to see her one day to confess her sins and tell her all about her life as an immortal
Also if you consider ZUN confirming in a panel that Chimata's inspiration was Ichihime you quickly notice how her design contrasts with her sister Chimata too but also how her flame wing mirrors the aura flame Chimata skates around on while her archaeopteryx wing mirrors Chimata's cape
The archaeopteryx fossil wing is cool because fossils are literally the remains of living beings that have since turned to stone, which fits her being a stone goddess and her whole thing as the Princess of Permanence (life preserved as unchanging rock).
Anonymous No.50129400
>>50129394
"Never change what works."
-Hakurei Reimu
Anonymous No.50129402 >>50129407 >>50129408 >>50129416
>>50129396
The funny thing is if you bother looking then Ariya’s design is way way too simple for the idea
>The Dino bone are because she is a rock, after buried underground for centuries she fused with the skeleton of an ancient animal and become a fossil (which is literally how fossils formed)
>Her wing are the smoke and fire of Mount Fuji that she brought with her
>Her skirt are pic related, which are usually formed by lava flowing from the top to the BOTTOM of a volcano and dried out
The Dino part are funny to me because in-universe, Ariya will look like a Frankenstein with bone protruding out of random place on her body
Anonymous No.50129407 >>50129413
>>50129402
oh god Touhou 20.3 is going to be a hex grid strategy game
Anonymous No.50129408 >>50129418 >>50129419
>>50129402
How do volcanos even make that? Looks very evenly spaced like a staircase
Anonymous No.50129413 >>50129431 >>50129454
>>50129407
that would be so kino, although tasofraud are dead so i doubt they're returning for another decimal game
Anonymous No.50129416
>>50129374
>full of content
Doesn't matter if the "content" is shit though
>he's mentioned
And there it is again. Remember, never trust a word ZUN says.
>>50129380
>>50129396
>>50129402
All of this is a load of irrelevant bullshit and you know it.
Anonymous No.50129417
>>50127894
I'll probably be booked for the next CDS if my personality doesn't make a swerve. I'll probably cut a promo or two to get some heat in here.
>>50128678
>>50128710
40k got nothing on the GOAT; Shadow the Hedgehog.
And Yukari is now know as the queen of jobbers.
Anonymous No.50129418 >>50129435
>>50129408
Columnar Jointing
Anonymous No.50129419 >>50129435 >>50129452
>>50129408
Sometime you just remember that the universe DOES work mathematically. My country have such a place too, full of such rock formation from ancient volcanoes erupting into the ocean
Anonymous No.50129422 >>50129428 >>50129430
Fellas, Fellas! I just found an amazing solution! If you click on that arrow next to a post you can click this button that says "Hide post" we can just stop talking to faggots!
Anonymous No.50129426 >>50129452
>>50128710
>especially in the 00s when most "fans" had no fucking idea about the actual canon and just jerked each other off over the idea of Yukari being "teh stronkest" character in fict
Touhou fanbase is too small to be obnoxious.

In actual attitude they are way, WAY worse than 40k fans.
Anonymous No.50129428
>>50129422
responding to bait is an ancient /jp/ tradition
Anonymous No.50129430
>>50129422
That's some esoteric club penguin hacking knowledge, anon.
Anonymous No.50129431 >>50129441
>>50129413
they aren't this is an unsubstantiated myth like "Mugetsu and Gengetsu are the rulers of a dream world" and "Okina made Nareko"
If you check they've always had a really long release gap between games on different engines (about 5-6 years)
No official shutdown announcement has been made and their members are still active
Anonymous No.50129435
>>50129418
>>50129419
https://youtu.be/FGwfjmAUM4w
Damn that's pretty cool
Anonymous No.50129441 >>50129469
>>50129431
Aren't they down to a single member ever since the pandemic?
Anonymous No.50129452 >>50129463
>>50129419
I hate maths, I don't understand shit to them.
>>50129426
Touhou fanbase of today is what happens when you take pro-wrestling seriously despite knowing it's fake.
Anonymous No.50129454
>>50129413
They literally are still around
Anonymous No.50129463 >>50129474
>>50129452
Didn't ZUN compare touhou's "brutality" to wrestling "brutality"?
Anonymous No.50129469
>>50129441
What the fuck no??
Anonymous No.50129471
now you know he's just baiting because he's replying to someone liking math with "I hate maths"
Anonymous No.50129474 >>50129495 >>50129512
>>50129463
I've never heard ZUN speak about wrestling, so I'm gonna say that it's a work. But yeah, Touhou was not meant to work and doesn't work like Dragon Ball Z or your other typical battle shonen fed. Touhou is all about doing beautiful and skillful techniques for the greatness and enjoyment of art. So yeah, they fight like pro-wrestlers; They cut a promo on the start then they get on business and no-one seriously get hurt, unless botch.
Anonymous No.50129495 >>50129580 >>50129684
>>50129474
Human Villagers when an outsider comes in and breaks kayfabe by saying "Umm you're all being oppressed and imprisoned like cattle by youkai, you'd be doing much better with dishwashers"
Anonymous No.50129512 >>50129684 >>50129985
>>50129474
Anonymous No.50129550 >>50129584
>>50129300
She claims to run a yakitori stand in vague conversation with the people she escorts through the forest to deflect away attention from herself, but there's zero evidence she actually does so, and she's never shown ever actually doing so on-panel (not even during Hakurei Shrine festivals where Mystia shows up), or while she's mulling over her life in her CiLR chapter where she's shown to barely even eat because she enjoys being miserable.

The obvious truth is that Mokou adds less to society than the average fairy, and her sole source of income is probably pocket money given to her by Kaguya.
Anonymous No.50129580 >>50129642
>>50129495
Anon, if you were a outsider talking to a human villager they would be so eager to hear about the wonders of the outside world, they would forgot about Youkai. Because they love the outside world, and don't love Youkai
Anonymous No.50129584 >>50129626
>>50129550
>The obvious truth is that Mokou adds less to society than the average fairy, and her sole source of income is probably pocket money given to her by Kaguya.
Keine

Funny thing is that Mokou is probably one of the top 3 candidates to take over as the leader of the human village.
Anonymous No.50129585 >>50129644
Bonus material for next LE volume are Yorigami sisters
People seem to like them
Anonymous No.50129626 >>50129753 >>50129789
>>50129584
>Keine
On a teacher's salary? Fat chance.
>Funny thing is that Mokou is probably one of the top 3 candidates to take over as the leader of the human village.
She's pretty distant from other humans and completely lacking in the way of leadership abilities or desire. She didn't even want to be the Master in AoCF as she just wanted to mindlessly fight without having to do any of the thinking.
Also she's stinky.
Anonymous No.50129642 >>50129684
>>50129580
They love watching Dirtbag Joe put the hurt on Burner Hurtzog, that's what they love
Anonymous No.50129644 >>50129674
>>50129585
I love the Yorigamis, I hope to see them in every Tasofro game from now on
Anonymous No.50129674
>>50129644
Joon is on her 4th outfit now, big fan of whoever decided that the Yorigami should have a new outfit every time
Anonymous No.50129684 >>50129747
>>50129495
This green jabroni from the outsider faction want to go in invasion and want to be the top babyface; but already botches his entering promo with an "Umm" then proceed to go into business for himself by shooting on kayfabe to push himself over when he's just a low-carder?! Hell nah, man! That hotshot doesn't fly! Also, dishwashers get massive heat with the female crowd and x-pac heat with the males. This gimmick aren't gonna draw any dimes, and it's best for the fed if he's send to new endeavors. What a way to ruin your carrier on your first show, and exposing the booker.
>>50129512
This paper made my day! :D
>>50129642
Kino garbage 'rasslin is universally loved! Always get huge pops from the locals! Get them some chairs, sticks and materials then you have the perfect Local event! Also, you made nice ringnames.
Anonymous No.50129697
>>50129256
Lmao a that is big sure but it is not going to bankrupt anyone lol. It’s just dessert
Anonymous No.50129699 >>50129707
>>50129229
No one told you this but more often than not canon is funnier than whatever fanon the fan made up
Anonymous No.50129707
>>50129699
If you consider laughing at ZUN's dogshit writing "funny", sure.
Anonymous No.50129722 >>50129756
>>50126339
>starts sending the villagers to the Outside world
And what exactly would a villager do in the outside world? Do you really think they would be happy and could thrive in our world?
Anonymous No.50129726
>>50127719
CDS gave more more of Kaguya so I will forever be grateful. Now if only Yuuka would make an apperances in this manga then I would truly appreciate it.
Anonymous No.50129734 >>50129780
See kids, this is why you should never go high on tumblr "fiction affects reality therefore you're bad and problematic for liking bad fictional characters" horseshit.
Anonymous No.50129735 >>50129754 >>50129765
>>50129222
Can someone explain the dishwasher and 40k thing for me? It feels like this came out of nowhere and I have no idea what's going on
Anonymous No.50129736 >>50129772
>>50129229
Other then it being better on average? Sure there are a lot of great fanon works out there but the majority are complete garbage or overstayed their welcome far too long
Anonymous No.50129745
>>50129371
With one exception of course
Anonymous No.50129747
>>50129684
I understand nothing of this
Anonymous No.50129753
>>50129626
>On a teacher's salary?
This isn't america. She probably gets paid fat stacks.

>She's pretty distant from other humans and completely lacking in the way of leadership abilities or desire.
She was raised as a noblewomen. Has direct ties to the Emperor/royal family of Japan. And is, you know, immortal.
Anonymous No.50129754 >>50129761 >>50129764
>>50129735
Grimtard gets assmad over Chapter 43 of CDS (the final chapter where Mizuchi gets btfo'd by reimu) where he argues that Reimu is a spoiled cunt that doesn't care for humans, and that the Human Village is literally 1984 for not having modern conveniences like dishwashers. Also he admitted he would sacrifice his own mom. The 40kiddy shit is just from his retarded le kill all youki!!!!!!! and his constant epic 40k references.
Somebody needs to go back to that thread and make a collage though. It was good fun.
Anonymous No.50129756 >>50129769 >>50129814
>>50129722
>And what exactly would a villager do in the outside world?
Live in a way where they can pursue their own happiness?

>Do you really think they would be happy and could thrive in our world?
They would be way, WAY more happier in the outside world.
Anonymous No.50129761
>>50129754
You won't because if you did you would realize that I was right.
Anonymous No.50129764 >>50129771
>>50129754
You know looking back he act exactly like that dooming man in FS saying the world is ending while everyone looking at him like he’s crazy
Anonymous No.50129765
>>50129735
A 40kfan had a legendary melty and got trolled. You can call this a /cds/ (/jp/ version of /dbs/) moment.
Anonymous No.50129769 >>50129778 >>50129796 >>50129986
>>50129756
>leave their jew-free utopia and enter a jew-infested world
uh yeah nope
Anonymous No.50129771 >>50130413
>>50129764
Which hilariously disproves all of your arguments about Gensokyo being a happy place.
Anonymous No.50129772
>>50129736
where did everyone get the impression that canon is somehow better?
any interaction with canon works is guaranteed to disprove that belief
now read https://nmlgc.net/OppositeWinner/, it will enlighten you
then go play mars matrix
Anonymous No.50129778 >>50129780 >>50129786 >>50129792 >>50129804
>>50129769
>Youkai apologist is a anti semitic subhuman
Like clockwork.

The human villagers, like all humans, would be happier in a world with no Youkai but with Jews. If you were human, you would understand that.
Anonymous No.50129780 >>50129788
>>50129778
>>50129734
Anonymous No.50129786 >>50129790
>>50129778
OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
Anonymous No.50129788
>>50129780
Has nothing to do with characters. My favorite character are Sakuya and Yukari, for crying out loud.
Anonymous No.50129789
>>50129626
>On a teacher's salary? Fat chance
She's not just a teacher she's THE teacher
Anonymous No.50129790 >>50129797
>>50129786
I just find it funny. Obviously the anti semites are okay with Youkai mass slaughtering people and locking them in a glorified concentration camp. Nazis will be Nazis.
Anonymous No.50129792 >>50129801
>>50129778
Let's not pretend you have some kind of moral high ground since it's intensly clear you want to kill fully sapient beings, basically people, anyway.
Your fanfic will never be canon btw
Anonymous No.50129796 >>50129805
>>50129769
Anon, Gensokyo has long-nosed smallhats who control the media, happy aquatic merchants who will rip you off, religious scam artists who trick people into buying their "miracles" for "protection", and an enclave of ultraxenophobes who constantly drag Gensokyo into their own wars.
It's not at all better than the real world.
Anonymous No.50129797 >>50129804 >>50129986
>>50129790
The Holohoax never happened though?
Anonymous No.50129801 >>50129861
>>50129792
>Basically people
If we judge them like people most of them would be locked up for life or given the death penalty.

You can't have it both ways, anon. If Youkai are people, they should be tried as people and that won't be a pretty trial.
Anonymous No.50129804
>>50129797
See:>>50129778
Anonymous No.50129805 >>50129810 >>50129990
>>50129796
Credit where credit is due, the Tengu may be stingy greedy bastards but they have the sense not to plunge the world into a satanical ritual
Anonymous No.50129809 >>50129810
I think we are reaching the Godwin point.
Anonymous No.50129810 >>50129824
>>50129805
>Anti semite thinks Youkai are real
Like clockwork.

>>50129809
Gensokyo conversations will eventually Godwin themselves because Youkai are inherently nazi coded.
Anonymous No.50129814 >>50129821
>>50129756
I'm sorry to say this but I doubt you could survive in the outside world. Going from an outsider to becoming a villager is far far easier then doing it the other way around. I doubt most villagers have an education or know a trade that could both be used in our current world and not be completely outdated. Plus even if they did they would lack the necessary documentation to get those jobs. The best they could get in terms of a career is being illegal employment in badly payed jobs with long hours and no befits. Even if he somehow manages to overcome all that by using fake documents and being lucky as hell said villager would still have to endure the japanese work life balance on top of dealing the loneliness and lack of family.
Anonymous No.50129817 >>50129830
>>50125484
>>50125492
>>50125987
BANANA HAIR!!!!!
Anonymous No.50129821 >>50129828
>>50129814
>I doubt most villagers have an education or know a trade that could both be used in our current world and not be completely outdated.
Most of them would become celebrities overnight.

Besides, they live in Japan. They'll be well taken care of by the government, at least until they can get a job. This isn't Somalia.
Anonymous No.50129824 >>50129837 >>50130011
>>50129810
>coded
so I was right, you ARE a tumblrina
Anonymous No.50129828 >>50129833
>>50129821
oh my god you ACTUALLY think the Japanese government will just...take care of them? You don't even know what the homelessness situation in Japan is like. What the fuck are they going to become celebrities for? none of their claims can be substantiated and for all intents and purposes they're just homeless vagabonds with no verifiable past.
Anonymous No.50129830 >>50129832
>>50129817
Why did you draw this?
Anonymous No.50129832 >>50129845
>>50129830
why not?
Anonymous No.50129833 >>50129854
>>50129828
>you ACTUALLY think the Japanese government will just...take care of them?
Yeah? Why wouldn't they. Japan isn't a unreasonable country, even with it's homelessness problems.

A person appearing out of nowhere, somebody that is clearly Japanese but has no papers or even understanding of the outside world, and talking about a land filled with Youkai would become very famous very quickly. That's even assuming it's just ONE person. Most likely a large chunk of the human village would leave and all together they would quickly either start a new community in the outside world or simply become very well known as people find it harder and harder to deny their story.
Anonymous No.50129836 >>50129844 >>50130147
So, anyone got enough balls and knowledge of Japanese to ask ZUN directly about all this? Curious what would his reaction be; will he just laugh it off as he usually does, or get angry/disappointed?
Anonymous No.50129837
>>50129824
Nope. But it's a good term.

I mean, I could just say "Youkai are Nazis". Same thing really.
Anonymous No.50129844 >>50129961
>>50129836
I would personally ask him:
>Is Reimu meant to be spoiled?
>Are outsiders actually killed?
>Can human villagers leave Gensokyo like outsiders?
Anonymous No.50129845
>>50129832
I mean huh...
Anonymous No.50129854 >>50129866
>>50129833
>A person appearing out of nowhere, somebody that is clearly Japanese but has no papers or even understanding of the outside world, and talking about a land filled with Youkai would become very famous very quickly
holy delusions, which is exactly what this would be dismissed as. The Japanese don't have a good track record when it comes to mental health, and something like this would be immediately passed off as being some schizo hallucination. Even multiple people wouldn't make a blip.
>as people find it harder and harder to deny their story
How...is that going to happen? Again, there's no evidence. The only person who could even corroborate their story is Sumireko, and she's a high school kid who no one would listen to either. They can't go to Gensokyo, they can't point out the youkai, they can't prove anything.
Anonymous No.50129861 >>50130116
>>50129801
We know for a fact not all of them eat people and plenty don't even want outsiders to bring into Gensokyo in the first place which would kill those other youkai or force them to be harmless and change up their roles. All you're basically saying is that you paint with broad strokes which was already clear.
>Inb4 they're forcing the villagers to be in gensokyo
Still headcanon
Anonymous No.50129866 >>50129965
>>50129854
The point is he has no papers. No nothing. They might try to find who is taking care of him. Only to eventually have to conclude he really DID appear out of nowhere. It would be a pretty big story even if they do just dismiss it as mental illness.

>How...is that going to happen?
By multiple people leaving? At worst, and I do mean at worst, they'll just start their own rural community in the outside world free from Youkai and Gensokyo. At best a few hundred, or even thousand, all sharing teh same story would becoming a breeding ground for conspiracy theories and become famous via the internet.
Anonymous No.50129885 >>50129964 >>50130046 >>50130105 >>50130128
>I want to see the setting for this series to explode and all of its residents dead
If you worked at GW you probably made the End Times with all that fanfiction you're spewing out
Anonymous No.50129932 >>50129943 >>50129947 >>50129952 >>50130153 >>50131779
Youkai wife NOW
Anonymous No.50129943
>>50129932
Give me Yuyuko
Anonymous No.50129947 >>50129985
>>50129932
now post the next page
Anonymous No.50129952
>>50129932
Do Ghosts count as Youkai? Also I will forever be pissed that we didn't get Oni Kasen vs Reimu and Tenshi on screen. Say what you will about CDS but at least we got to see them actually fight
Anonymous No.50129961 >>50129974 >>50130095
>>50129844
His responses would be
"Spoiled? *laughs* how can a beggar like her be spoiled. You must mean Tenshi, well when I was coming- (SWR development insight)"
"Yes unfortunately"
"Yes all the time but if they come back they're considered outsiders, but Reimu likes to make sure they're safely escorted out"
And then you'd accept none of that, because you need to be right and so it goes
Anonymous No.50129964 >>50130764
>>50129885
That's grimsokyotards for you, they hate Touhou but obsess over the idea of it for some reason.
Anonymous No.50129965 >>50130116
>>50129866
>Teh same storyzords
Anonymous No.50129974
>>50129961
>*raughs*
ftfy
Anonymous No.50129985
>>50129947
Im reminded of >>50129512
Anonymous No.50129986 >>50130001
>>50129769
>>50129797
It's fascinating how when /v/ermin immigrated here, /pol/tards came along too
Curious, no?
Anonymous No.50129990 >>50130005
>>50129805
Let's be real, they absolutely would sacrifice all of Gensokyo and most Wolf Tengu babies if they thought it'd benefit them and they could get away with it.
Anonymous No.50130001 >>50130040
>>50129986
to be fair /pol/ is everywhere
Anonymous No.50130005 >>50130123
>>50129990
>gets singlehandedly btfo by Suika
nothing personal tengu
Anonymous No.50130011 >>50130034 >>50130137
>>50129824
This faggot really doesn't act like a tumblrina at all
A tumblrina would want to keep Gensokyo around because they'd point to AFiEU and then point to Miko, then point to the CoLA chapter where Rinnosuke (a man who's main character trait is being a pretentious pseudo-intellectual who's often wrong) says money is evil, then point to Nina's spellcard names including predominantly right-wing political conspiracy theories and then argue it's leftist media or something
Sidenote: I've legit seen the more hardcore Tumblrinas get upset at Nina's existence because and I'm paraphrasing here but I've seen it myself "umm these are all problematic anti-semetic conspiracy theories, + the AI thing, this isn't a good look ZUN"
tl;dr please for the love of god think outside this narrow dichotomy you are a man not a machine
Anonymous No.50130034 >>50130083
>>50130011
>I've legit seen the more hardcore Tumblrinas get upset
They (and turd worlders) got upset at CP when LoLK was coming out because they just really hate America, I wouldn't take their FotM outrage that seriously.
Anonymous No.50130040 >>50130099 >>50130649
>>50130001
yeah dang tourists
I've been saying Moot should have kept /new/ deleted for YEARS now
Anonymous No.50130046
>>50129885
>If you worked at GW you probably made the End Times with all that fanfiction you're spewing out
SHOTS FIRED!
Anonymous No.50130064 >>50130078 >>50130084 >>50130105 >>50130110 >>50130198
You really miss CDS, right guys?
Anonymous No.50130078 >>50130105
>>50130064
I like both, but CDS brings this board together so yeah.
Anonymous No.50130083 >>50130133
>>50130034
I don't remember that happening?
Honestly if anything considering how the hardcore lefties are more American Diabolism believers like that "I did a thing" channel. They'd think Clownpiece is anti-American satire or something and praise it
Anonymous No.50130084
>>50130064
Damn right.
Anonymous No.50130095
>>50129961
>And then you'd accept none of that
No? I would accept all of it. Especially if it actually appears in the story. I'm not like you, secondary.
Anonymous No.50130099 >>50130121
>>50130040
I frequent /jp/ but I still will call out the jew, /pol/ is a constant psyop. And it's funny to see the grimnigger act like a slimy kike
Anonymous No.50130105 >>50130132
>>50130064
I genuinely do, because I actually like CDS. You just gotta not take things so seriously man, it's fun. I'm excited to see how it is moving forwards since ZUN has had time to think up a plot what with all the delays + he's no longer constrained by having to salvage the plot from a half-done mystery story so he can just make something more appropriate for the inevitably shonen-lean it's going to go in.
Fingers crossed Alice finally wakes up from that coma... though given that was a Ginmokusei era story beat I doubt it
>>50130078
As much as people shit on it, it genuinely does
>>50129885
Truth Sign "Truth MIRV" ~ Lunatic
Anonymous No.50130110 >>50130129
>>50130064
luv me sum mizuchi, luv'd her since her first appearance
Anonymous No.50130116 >>50130153 >>50130154
>>50129861
>We know for a fact not all of them eat people
Oh thank god. Only SOME of them act like serial killers. The rest would only be arrested for entirely different crimes. Like theft, kidnapping, extortion, and trespassing.

Mamizou might not be a literal serial killer, but she is still basically a petty Yakuza boss and the world would be a better place if she got the Louis Capone treatment.

>Still headcanon
Assuming that they CAN leave is just as much of a headcanon. The best argument you can make is that we don't know, and even that's kind of a reach.

>>50129965
People have believed ghost stories for less. A few hundred people appearing out of nowhere would get media attention easily.
Anonymous No.50130121
>>50130099
You know what? Respect, you can be anti-semetic and a Touhou fan. Just don't be a /pol/tard sheep
Anonymous No.50130123 >>50130135
>>50130005
It’s kind of funny that in SWR Aya knew if she didn’t fight Suika off then no one in the tengu community would be able to stop her. So basically Aya is actually the strongest fucking Tengu around or Suika would only conceded if it was Aya facing her
Anonymous No.50130128
>>50129885
The End Times was bad mostly because it was poorly handled. Besides, the End Times featured evil winning in the form of the Chaos gods blowing up the old world. Gensokyo being destroyed and the villagers going free would be a unambiguously happy ending in which good triumphs and evil perishes.

Besides, as a setting, I actually like places like the Empire. A better equivalent would be getting to watch commorragh in 40K get wiped out.
Anonymous No.50130129
>>50130110
Ass
Anonymous No.50130132
>>50130105
CDS is at it's best when it's just being a dumb Shonen manga. Reimu being a spoiled bitch is a unsatisfying ending to the fight for more reasons than just me stating that she's spoiled.
Anonymous No.50130133 >>50130158 >>50130179
>>50130083
>They'd think Clownpiece is anti-American satire or something and praise it
Nope, they're not intelligent enough for that level of abstract thinking. CP got a lot of shit all over the web initially.
Anonymous No.50130135 >>50130144 >>50130159 >>50130190
>>50130123
Aya is a DEX maxxer while Suika is a STR maxxer. She ain't called the fastest in Gensokyo for no reason.
Anonymous No.50130137 >>50130209
>>50130011
I've been to Touhou tumblr.

It's just waifuposting by people too cowardly to come to /jp/. Any hopes of actually getting "Is Touhou fascist/sexist/racist?" was ruined by the fact that Touhou fans will always be Touhou fans and therefore will ignore all canon.
Anonymous No.50130144 >>50130149 >>50130352 >>50133157
>>50130135
>She ain't called the fastest in Gensokyo for no reason.
I assumed it was because she orgasms the moment you put it in
Anonymous No.50130147
>>50129836
He would probably laugh at the absurdity of it all just like how he was surprised that Rin Satsuki is an actual thing despite it being his scrapped idea
Anonymous No.50130149
>>50130144
Human cock triumphs
Anonymous No.50130153
>>50130116
>Only SOME of them act like serial killers.
Yeah... Just like people.
>Like theft, kidnapping, extortion, and trespassing.
Also just like people.
We also don't know as to what frequency they are performed. Humans love their zashikiwarashi, and youkai are more like people than ever >>50129932
>Assuming that they CAN leave is just as much of a headcanon
The point is that you parade around headcanon as fact even though by all means you don't know anything. They could be able to leave of their own volition but simply don't because they don't wanna abandon family and friends, they could get bribed with sex to stay, you can make up anything which is also how you end up with Grimsokyo.
It's not like they don't know what the outside world is, they have literature from for example Kosuzu that goes in depth and she reads her books to the kids.
The presumption that everyone is secretly super sad and a loner is also a hilarious level of cope given the numerous apparent visual cases of village humans enjoying their life and even gambling with youkai kek
Anonymous No.50130154 >>50130306
>>50130116
They'd get attention from the media and conspiracy theorists and maybe would get an easier ride from donations or something. But it's not exactly a sustainable thing
The government and the science community would absolutely never accept it. They're talking completely illogically about unscientific occurences, sure there's a lot of them but humans are very good at denying the supernatural so alternative explanations like "they're a cult" or "they're coordinated hoaxsters" would come up and then that causes problems for them
You'd also still get villagers who'd want to return (if we're being charitable to your point, chalk it up to stockholm syndrome) so how are they to be dealt with? Are they to be institutionalized and forced to love modern society? Isn't that kinda fucked up
Anonymous No.50130158
>>50130133
She got shit for her design dude
Just like Ariya's getting shat on, but those complaints are dying faster than with CP and Hecc
Anonymous No.50130159 >>50130181
>>50130135
I remember her and Reimu were the 2 people Flandre explicitly left for later in CDS even tho she test everyone
So fighting Aya would be a troublesome endeavor even for Flandre
Anonymous No.50130179
>>50130133
Clownpiece design is so political yet the way ZUN put it make me think otherwise. He basically remember Lunar Capital is supposed to be based on China and wonder what would a notChina place consider enemy
Boom, Clownpiece was born
Anonymous No.50130181
>>50130159
It's like fighting Scout
Anonymous No.50130190 >>50130200
>>50130135
You'll actually notice that in SWR she only uses Illusionary Dominance in Suika's story mode which is a pretty good sign she's taking the fight more seriously than anyone else's yet Suika still sweeps her (since she's Suika's stage 1 fight) because that's just how much stronger the Oni are to the Tengu, they were their former rulers after all.
Anonymous No.50130198 >>50130353
>>50130064
Remember when that CDS chapter dropped and the thread reached 1k posts and had subsequent threads? Good times
Anonymous No.50130200 >>50130234 >>50130256
>>50130190
https://youtu.be/_Q0x3vR4f7w
Anonymous No.50130202 >>50130215 >>50130226
I can't believe Aya power level dick suckers still exist. Bitch got humiliated by Reimu in the same manga you claim scales her to "Flandre" tier, and she's never been the strongest tengu.
Anonymous No.50130209 >>50130213 >>50130257
>>50130137
I've been to Touhou tumblr too so when I say people say shit like that... I mean people say shit like that. You just don't dig deep enough because you're a sane human being
Anonymous No.50130213
>>50130209
Good riddance to bad fans.
Anonymous No.50130215 >>50130230
>>50130202
That's cause Reimu is hella strong.
Anonymous No.50130226 >>50130238
>>50130202
Aya never fight, so we don’t know for sure
>B-but
She literally pulled out of the fight with Reimu because there’s no reason to. There’s no proof she is weak
Anonymous No.50130230 >>50130240
>>50130215
Don't make me post a list of times Reimu jobbed
Anonymous No.50130234
>>50130200
Oh great you just made me help summon Satan, you happy?
Anonymous No.50130238
>>50130226
She's obviously not weak, but "Flandre fears the chad Aya" is some insane cope.
Anonymous No.50130240 >>50130252
>>50130230
None
She holds back like Alice does
Anonymous No.50130252 >>50130259 >>50130276
>>50130240
Alice is weak to hypnosis
Anonymous No.50130256
>>50130200
Fastest tengu vs slowest oni. If Yuugi was there, the fight wouldn't even have started.
Anonymous No.50130257
>>50130209
Look, I'm sure you can find trash like this if you look really, REALLY deep. Much like you can find Neo Nazis subhumans on /jp/ if you dig deep enough. On average though: both sites are mostly just dlop waifuposting.
Anonymous No.50130259
>>50130252
Nope
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3118258
Anonymous No.50130276
>>50130252
No, Okuu is though, canonically
Anonymous No.50130306 >>50130317
>>50130154
>But it's not exactly a sustainable thing
It doesn't have to be. Most of them will do a study, get a job, and move on. A few will remain to cash in their brief fame as long as possible.

>would come up and then that causes problems for them
The most likely awnser is they won't care and life will move on. The goverment or the Japanese science community really isn't all that bothered by a bunch of cranks appearing out of nowhere. With the former probably just looking to dump the problem with minimal cost to themselves. Most likely just giving them some abandoned rural town to live in and a bunch of papers.

>so how are they to be dealt with?
Assuming Gensokyo is still around they probably can literally go back. Otherwise, they'll get over it. The people they love are still around, after all. Even if their way of life has changed, the people have not. They'll simply be more free and happy version of themselves.
Anonymous No.50130317 >>50130332 >>50130335 >>50130341
>>50130306
Hang on 1) isn't the outside world in the Touhou universe not our actual world but a more dystopian 25 minutes into the future world. 2) doesn't Sumireko bitch about how awful it is all the time
Anonymous No.50130332
>>50130317
>1) isn't the outside world in the Touhou universe not our actual world but a more dystopian 25 minutes into the future world
Nta but it is in the near future of the music CDs
And yes
Anonymous No.50130335 >>50130345 >>50130413
>>50130317
It's a Dystopia in the same way the Jetsons is a dystopian. It's hardly 1984 and I'll take it over Gensokyo any day.

Sumireko is a deliberate anti role model. Even Gensokyo views her as generally intolerable. She's ZUN taking the piss out of his fans.
Anonymous No.50130341
>>50130317
>1
No people often conflate Hifuu Outside World as current Outside World, the 2 verse are not really related (for now)
>2
Sumireko bitching about her life does not mean it’s in the future, our current world have plenty of things to complain about
Anonymous No.50130345 >>50130356
>>50130335
Our world is going to become Hifuu world soon enough, even plant is going to be artificial, exactly the way Maribel and Renko describe
Anonymous No.50130352 >>50133157
>>50130144
Give me a moment
Anonymous No.50130353 >>50130368
>>50130198
There was 2 threads who had 1,5k posts one after the another... That was epic! It's a mix of everything, mostly /a/ dragon ball super shitposts and /pw/, but it's was epic.
Anonymous No.50130356
>>50130345
And, like I said, that does not make a dystopia. It sucks but I'll take it over living Gensokyo. So would literally anybody else sane over the age of 12.
Anonymous No.50130357 >>50130366
The Hifuu world is Hyper late stage capitalism with depopulated countries and a dying world, all thanks to godless jews
Anonymous No.50130366 >>50130374
>>50130357
Jews are better than Youkai, subhuman.
Anonymous No.50130368 >>50130427
>>50130353
I never seen anyone melting down so hard over Touhou before, it was a life changing experience
Anonymous No.50130374 >>50130381
>>50130366
I hope you all get glassed alongside the Palestinians you hate so much
Anonymous No.50130376
Konohanasakuyahime is going to be the first gyaru of Touhou
Anonymous No.50130381
>>50130374
I hope you join Youkai in not existing soon enough.
Anonymous No.50130384
I have live long enough to see people discussing Touhou race politics like Gensokyo is an actual country right next to their
Anonymous No.50130389 >>50130404 >>50130411 >>50130650
do you think human villagers own guns?
Anonymous No.50130390
Is this really the hill you want to die on? The jew's favourite goyim seeking to destabilise another innocent country?
Anonymous No.50130404 >>50130428
>>50130389
Kasen immediately assumed there was a hunter around when she heard a gun sound so probably
Anonymous No.50130411 >>50130650
>>50130389
Most guns in Japan before Gensokyo sealed off were in the hands of the army, while citizens couldn't even have a sword.
There is definitely a chance that there is one or two antique guns left over but they have no use other than hunting which isn't viable with no extra ammo being made or imported
Anonymous No.50130413 >>50130419 >>50130437 >>50130488
>>50130335
Oh fascinating she doesn't count but yet you keep insisting the one random paranoid schizo we see in the human village is proof life for all the villagers is doom and gloom >>50129771

And actually that's a good point the future of the outside world described by ZUN while not dystopian is literally a depressing shitty world with shit like population control, pollution so bad people are looking for solutions to terraform Earth, most plant and animal life is extinct, some food items aren't even around anymore and need to be recreated artificially
A world where children no longer smile
Anonymous No.50130419
>>50130413
Even worse, you can't get drunk
Anonymous No.50130427
>>50130368
Bet you had the laugh of your life.
Anonymous No.50130428
>>50130404
That plus I'm pretty sure we've seen other examples of matchlocks around
I wouldn't be surprised if the Yamawaro would sell breechloading rifles to human villagers
Anonymous No.50130437 >>50130440 >>50130449
>>50130413
>one random paranoid schizo we see in the human village is proof life for all the villagers is doom and gloom
Wasn't he also just off his rocks one time and a youkai literally gave him the meds he needed
Anonymous No.50130440
>>50130437
*Lunarian
Big difference
Anonymous No.50130449
>>50130437
I know! Eirin came in clutch, imagine if he'd gone postal or something
Anonymous No.50130481 >>50130489
so what did we learn from this thread about the 69th chapter of Lotus Eaters?
Anonymous No.50130488 >>50130493 >>50130517 >>50130519
>>50130413
Neither one counts dumbass, that's my argument. Your assumption that everybody in Gensokyo is doing fine because of one girlr working as a waitress is just as retarded as one paranoid schizo being proof that it's all Dystopian.

>is literally a depressing shitty world
It's slightly below the Jetsons and slightly above Futurama. I'll take it over Gensokyo any day.

>A world where children no longer smile
That's not true. Just look at this child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzBQhQIarc
Anonymous No.50130489
>>50130481
Marisa has her cute side and Touhou kinda feels like an It's Always Sunny episode when it comes to Reimu and Sanae's shenanigans
Anonymous No.50130493
>>50130488
>He doesn't read the Hifuu stories
Grim
Anonymous No.50130505
>westabrap cartoon slop
grim
Anonymous No.50130517 >>50130601
>>50130488
We're given literally no reason to believe Gensokyo is filled with droves of perpetually unhappy people that'd justify calling it dystopic kek, it's pretty much the opposite where leisure activities involve getting into bets with youkai and holding festivals which is extremely consistently portrayed
>It's slightly below the Jetsons and slightly above Futurama. I'll take it over Gensokyo any day
Anon, the Hifuu world is literally ass, where humanity fucked itself over. That's what ZUN portrays the future as.
Anonymous No.50130519 >>50130537 >>50130601 >>50130601
>>50130488
That wasn't my argument because I know that's retarded. I know everyone's doing fine because of how many fucking times its said everyone's doing fine and participating in fun festivals and shit like that. You just say "nuh uh that doesn't count" which means there's zero point in arguing with you over this since you refuse to accept any evidence that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions which is just... not how human conversation works
if anything burden of proof should be on you dude, we're the consensus
While waiting for the next LE or CDS chapter to release go and actually compile a big image or doc of all the evidence (with sources cited) of how Gensokyo is a grimdark terrible place to live in and if your 'proofs' aren't up to scrutiny you'll be the eternal faggot of paradise and if we can't actually come up with any sources cited counter arguments of our own then you win and can be free of this place, sound good?
Anonymous No.50130537
>>50130519
>eternal faggot of paradise
i spit my drink out, hats off to you
Anonymous No.50130561 >>50130569 >>50130623
check human village?
Everyone is hype, drinking beer, yuugi's got her tits out pretending to be an oni in dishuise, no unhappy people anywhere
check myouren temple?
Everyone is hype, Byakuren's got her sexy biker outfit with her tits almost out
Everyone is happy in Gensokyo
Anonymous No.50130569
>>50130561
check the local area
nobody has their tits out

...Anon I think we know how to save society
Anonymous No.50130601 >>50130606 >>50130630 >>50130821 >>50130872
>>50130517
>We're given literally no reason to believe Gensokyo is filled with droves of perpetually unhappy people that'd justify calling it dystopic
Is Brave New World a utopia? Not even to say that it's LIKE brave new world. But there is more to a dystopia than simply constant suffering.

Ultimately the human villagers are mostly shown just living their life, acting like normal people do. That alone makes everything the Youkai do to them all the more cruel and heartless. Why should they not be allowed to seek their own happiness and a find a way of life they prefer outside Gensokyo? Why they should not be allowed to hold political believes that go against the will of the sages and act accordingly? Why do you deny them their happiness when they are shown to be capable of having it without anybody having to suffer?

>the Hifuu world is literally ass
Explain to me how it's worse than the jetsons or Futurama.
>>50130519

>>50130519
>its said everyone's doing fine
It's not you idiot.

>participating in fun festivals and shit like that.
That's literally the same insane logic you criticized. "People are smiling at a festival" does not equal "Society is good". I can show you pictures of the worst most self destructive societies, places that could be called real life dystopian, and I can promise you right now there will be people smiling in them.

>Gensokyo is a grimdark terrible place to live in
I've given numerous reasons. From Yukari using spies inside the homes of human villagers. To general issues involved with lower standards of living. To mentions of poverty, illiteracy, and classism in the human village. Of people being canonically unhappy, uncomfortable around youkai, showing interest in the outside world. Of the lack of any positive examples of Villager and Human relationships.

The absolute best case you can make is that, mostly due to the village just being generally underwritten, the village is... not the worst imaginable place to life. Like, you could do worse, probably not in the modern day outside active warzones, but certainly historically. That does not change the fact that all of their lives would improve if every Youkai, and gensokyo as a whole, went away.
Anonymous No.50130606 >>50130632
>>50130601
>Explain to me how it's worse than the jetsons or Futurama
You already had it explained to you retardbro.
Anonymous No.50130623 >>50130627 >>50130677
>>50130561
Check Necromunda?
Everyone is hype, having fun, random Escher has a her tits out, no unhappy people anywhere.

Check the Fang?
Everyone is hype, the wolf is wolvily wolfing on his wolved wolf, everyone is drinking, Ragnar Blackmane is walking around shirtless.

Everyone is happy in the Grim Darkness of 40K.
Anonymous No.50130627 >>50130634
>>50130623
>Warhammer 40k again
Yawn
Anonymous No.50130630 >>50130639
>>50130601
Futurama's world is horrific if you take it at face value, it's just easy to make light of that because it's a satirical sitcom.
Anonymous No.50130632 >>50130637
>>50130606
You didn't.

>No greenery
Jetsons has that. Futurama has that.

>Population control
Futurama has that.

>Space colonization
Futurama has that. Jetsons has that.
Anonymous No.50130634 >>50130821
>>50130627
Are you getting my point, anon? Your logic is retarded.

I mean, look at these fuckers having fun. Wouldn't you want this?
Anonymous No.50130637 >>50130644
>>50130632
>Space colonization
Ah yes, the TROJAN GREEN ASTEROID situion went great.
I'm glad humanity has escaped earth and colonized the rest of the solar system in Hifuu.
Anonymous No.50130638 >>50131176
>reddit spacing
>westabrap cartoon comparison
>tumblr terminology
>jewish
Anonymous No.50130639 >>50130669
>>50130630
It's why I put it below the future of Gensokyo.

Jetsons is a better and more obvious example. Only thing you can really say about it that is worse in the future of Touhou is population control. Which even in universe isn't treated like some kind of terrible tragedy but more people just being kind of annoyed it exists.
Anonymous No.50130644
>>50130637
>the TROJAN GREEN ASTEROID situion went great.
I'll rather have it than living in gensokyo.

Or the world of Futurama, for that matter.
Anonymous No.50130649
>>50130040
Bruuuh.... /new/ was 16 years ago, let it go.
Anonymous No.50130650 >>50135729
>>50130389
>>50130411
Imagine Touhou Black ops
Anonymous No.50130653 >>50130662 >>50130663
Look at all of these people having fun at a festival:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y
Clearly, this setting must be great:
Anonymous No.50130662
>>50130653
not a phone in sight, just people living in the moment
Anonymous No.50130663
>>50130653
>1984
Sigh, Nork we already talked about this. . .
Anonymous No.50130669 >>50130696 >>50130840
>>50130639
The future in Hifuu isn't a dystopia but it's not portrayed as pleasant either. A big overarching theme is this general 'fake' feeling of everything, from synthetic plants lining the streets to fake booze being the standard for bars. It's portrayed as a place where people are generally fatigued and aimless, to the point where even glimpses at Gensokyo bring grown men to tears at its organic beauty. ZUN has always had an environmentalist leaning to his works and the Hindu future uses the antithesis to that to demonstrate how hollow the future portrayed is.
Anonymous No.50130677
>>50130623
>40K
Hmmm, no.
Anonymous No.50130684 >>50130698
so much hatred...
Anonymous No.50130696 >>50130733
>>50130669
>to the point where even glimpses at Gensokyo bring grown men to tears at its organic beauty
Maribel. Not most people.

Otherwise, I don't disagree but that's a far cry from being dystopian. Gensokyo, by every measure, is worse. It's frankly more fake as well.
Anonymous No.50130698 >>50130711 >>50130728 >>50130909
>>50130684
Again, I find it so strange that someone who so obviously hates Touhou is so obsessively posting here.
I mean I get that it's mostly just to farm (You)s but it's a sad existence, isn't it?
Anonymous No.50130701 >>50130712 >>50130714 >>50130721
>Most serious LE discussion: What could Miyoi backstory be?
>Most light-hearted CDS discussion: Gensokyo ethnical cleansing and racial politic
I will never not find the stark contrast funny
Anonymous No.50130711
>>50130698
Jews like him love endulging in their schizophrenia and force the world to follow them
Anonymous No.50130712
>>50130701
i can't wait until these storylines converge
Anonymous No.50130714
>>50130701
CDS discussions also bring out the absolute worst psueds unfortunately. It gets very "fuck yeah humanity xD" very quickly.
Anonymous No.50130721
>>50130701
I want to know Miyoi's FRONTstory haha.
Anonymous No.50130725
Such a fantastic setting filled with love.
Anonymous No.50130728 >>50130825
>>50130698
Most secondaries hate Touhou. It's normal for people that deny Grimsokyo.
Anonymous No.50130733 >>50130745 >>50130751
>>50130696
>He didn't read dateless bar old adam.
Anonymous No.50130744 >>50131161
Anonymous No.50130745 >>50130758
>>50130733
I did, and I don't remember people crying because they saw a glimpse of gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50130751 >>50130758
>>50130733
He's a secondary, of course he didn't
Anonymous No.50130758
>>50130751
Answer this if you want to try and make the secondary accusations stick, fucknugget.
>>50130745
Anonymous No.50130759
Anonymous No.50130764 >>50130779 >>50130794
>>50129964
It's weird since he has the exact same arguments over on THP, even after Impaler stopped helping him.
Anonymous No.50130773
Anonymous No.50130779 >>50130806 >>50130808
>>50130764
You have any link to his posts? I wanna read em.
Anonymous No.50130783
Anonymous No.50130794 >>50130806
>>50130764
What is that?
Anonymous No.50130796
Anonymous No.50130806 >>50131066
>>50130794
>>50130779
THP is Touhou Project dot moe, it's a sister (kind of) site to jp where stories and quests are posted.
Impaler is a writefag from there who's friends with Nork(North Korean Fag) who's talked about working with him before and scoping out threads of the THP Discord.
Currently Nork is in the THP "Touhou Character Discussions - 3" thread having the exact same arguments over there due to Reimu being the character of the week.
Anonymous No.50130808
>>50130779
https://www.touhou-project.com/gensokyo/res/18276.html
He isn't very hard to spot. Just skip down to the part where Reimu becomes the character of discussion.
Anonymous No.50130813
Anonymous No.50130815 >>50130819
>Panels showing yearly holidays and festivals
>Somehow this is the same as this other thing here which is totally different
We all know your tricks you pilpuling kike
Anonymous No.50130819
>>50130815
>Panels showing holidays and festivals
VS:
>panels showing holidays and festivals
But it's different because... uh...
Anonymous No.50130821 >>50130845 >>50130857
>>50130601
>Why should they not be allowed to seek their own happiness and a find a way of life they prefer outside Gensokyo?
You avoid the point entirely that this is literally your headcanon, it's never said there is no avenue for leaving which I already said, they might just have no case for doing so, the fact of that matter hasn't changed in 5 months, you just ignore it like usual.
There's never anything saying they can't hold other political beliefs, the most you can claim is that youkai want to be aware of them (and even then people like Keine reach out to these people to communicate with them, and the people mentioned if I recall are in the same book containing retconned information about human leaders meaning this might just be retconned too)
>Blabla deny happiness
Prove there is a deliberate denial of happiness they don't get by living in Gensokyo (you can't but w/e)
You might as well say that the world conspires against you because opportunities aren't handed to you on a silver platter, but that has nothing to do with being happy. Happiness and contentness are just states of being and they can be achieved whichever which way.
And NTA but there's no clear case for anything but it being regular countryside standards of living, any extreme poverty (there's also plenty of that in the outside), and classism definitely also goes on in the outside even to the point where people are basically above the law.
I can be interested in the Soviet Union or Haiti or even Iceland but have no desire to live there.
People are always bound to be uncomfortable around other select people but we also see humans at festivals or even visiting youkai meaning this is not universal and just more headcanon
We see humans interacting positively in the backgrounds all the time, Kosuzu is good friends with Akyuu and so on but you'll just complain that no name background characters or drinking buddies don't count.
You can absolutely do worse in the modern day without active warzones, you must be delusional.
>>50130634
>Warhammer
Has gone to shit and is normalfaggified to death and ZUN's also literally on record that the violence in Gensokyo is wrestling-tier brother. Touhou is closer to something like Harry Potter's wizardry world than 40keks
Anonymous No.50130825 >>50130861 >>50130865
>>50130728
It's almost like there's nothing wrong with being a secondary (as long as you aren't a meme-spouting fumo-obsessed retard)
Anonymous No.50130840 >>50130850
>>50130669
>to the point where even glimpses at Gensokyo bring grown men to tears at its organic beauty
Gensokyo really isn't any less artificial, though. It's basically a petting zoo for youkai that should no longer exist in the world and those living in Gensokyo are pretty much domesticated monsters who now need to pretend they're still preying on humans even though it's all a charade.

Hell might be the only place that could be considered even remotely "genuine" in this franchise.
Anonymous No.50130845 >>50130860 >>50130861
>>50130821
>Touhou is closer to something like Harry Potter's wizardry world
Be careful, he'll start to argue that the Wizarding World is dystopian too (even after Deathly Hallows)
Anonymous No.50130850 >>50130868 >>50130901
>>50130840
Gensokyo is artificial in the same way a nature reserve is artificial. Which is to say if you actually told anyone you were of that opinion they'd probably think you're a pedantic retard.
Anonymous No.50130857 >>50130860 >>50130937 >>50130947 >>50131017 >>50131043
>>50130821
> it's never said there is no avenue for leaving
There is no evidence that they can leave. The barrier literally prevents them from leaving. They are described as being trapped, sealed away, etc. You need actual evidence if you want to claim they can just leave. As I said multiple time: At best you can argue we don't know and even that is stretching.

>There's never anything saying they can't hold other political beliefs
Outside of the scene of yukari literally saying she's spying on people with the intent of makin sure they don't do anything they don't want.

>Prove there is a deliberate denial of happiness they don't get by living in Gensokyo
Getting to walk outside after night without potentially being torn apart by Youkai.


>And NTA but there's no clear case for anything but it being regular countryside standards of living
Outside of where it's literally mentioned as being on part with late Edo Japan which, will not the worst, is significantly worst than almost any place that exists in teh real world. Something that is supported by how the place actually looks.

>I can be interested in the Soviet Union or Haiti or even Iceland but have no desire to live there.
You can be. Is there any evidence that they care about Gensokyo? That they want to be in gensokyo? That they like Gensokyo? Can you point to even a single villager npc that likes any aspect of Gensokyo? Because I can point to tons that like the outside world.

>eople are always bound to be uncomfortable around other select people but we also see humans at festivals or even visiting youkai meaning this is not universal and just more headcanon
People literally don't know they are youkai.

>You can absolutely do worse in the modern day without active warzones, you must be delusional.
Name one place.

>Has gone to shit and is normalfaggified to death and ZUN's also literally on record that the violence in Gensokyo is wrestling-tier brother.
He's talking about the fights. Human villagers are murdered and that violence is more 1984 with a dash of The Promised Neverland.

>Harry Potter's wizardry world
Unironically one of the most dystopian and hopeless settings ever written. And at least in harry Potter voldermort loses. In Touhou he's put in charge and Harry would be working for him.
Anonymous No.50130860
>>50130845
>>50130857
Right on the money.
Anonymous No.50130861 >>50130874 >>50130881 >>50130885
>>50130825
It is wrong because it makes you say stupid shit.

>>50130845
Correct, cause it is. Though at least Harry Potter is slightly better insofar that even people die like they deserve.
Anonymous No.50130865
>>50130825
truthnuke
Anonymous No.50130868 >>50130876
>>50130850
It's artificial in the same way a zoo is artificial.
Anonymous No.50130872 >>50130965
>>50130601
Jesus fucking christ dude
Yes people smiling at a festial does equal society is good if we're shown time and time and time and time and time and FUCKING time again multiple examples of this
ONE instance of a guy being a paranoid schizo needing meds and TWO old guys in a bar talking about their worries like old guys in bars do all the fucking time is not proof they aren't being allowed to seek happiness. Look at the goddamn sample size, this is our problem with your fucking argument dude, you're listing numerically low, fringe examples and instead of accepting that the numbers show you're not right you instead whine and say "well ZUN just doesn't show us the other examples of villagers being miserable" well gee wonder why he has time to show us all the villagers being happy then? I-It's like you think ZUN's fucking working with the youkai and Touhou is in-universe propaganda so there's untold suffering going on he won't show us. HE'S FUCKING GOD AS FAR AS THIS SETTING'S CONCERNED DUDE
... just where the fuck does this whole idea that they're being prevented from seeking happiness come from? What they're not aware they *could* be owning a dishwasher, oh how cruel. What they're not aware they could be managing the nearest Familymart instead of working with their wife to run a quaint family business?
It's like saying the Shire is a fucking shithole and Saruman was right to come in and industrialize the place because Bilbo had an unexpected fun time adventuring and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins exists so the Hobbit shiriffs are oppressing them because they consider the idea of adventuring taboo (because there is nowhere in the text saying the Hobbit Shiriffs are oppressing them but that's exactly how factual your arguments are)

Also when are you going to bring up the fact that gods exist in Gensokyo and literally provide material benefit and aid to the human villagers
Anonymous No.50130874
>>50130861
*Evil people die like they deserve.
Anonymous No.50130876
>>50130868
Unironically Gensokyo has more humane conditions than zoos, but yes it is a controlled environment that like zoos plays an important role in conservation.
Anonymous No.50130881
>>50130861
>it makes you say stupid shit.
So you're a secondary, then? got it
Anonymous No.50130885 >>50130972
>>50130861
>people die like they deserve
Like Malfroy?
Anonymous No.50130901 >>50130962 >>50130964
>>50130850
Sure, a nature preserve where a lion just chases a gazelle for a little while before a park ranger hands them some lab-grown meat for their efforts in totally hunting their prey for real.
An important part of the setting is that it all became just theater, and the modern-day youkai in Gensokyo hardly resemble what they once were.
Anonymous No.50130909 >>50130915 >>50130923 >>50130952 >>50130999 >>50131002
>>50130698
We've asked him about it before he claims to like Touhou but this weird perception of Touhou he had when he first got into it playing the games before it got "shattered" reading the mangas
Also iirc he says his first manga was FS which certainly fucking explains why he frames everything in terms of "Humans V Youkai" since that was FS's theme, problem is he hasn't moved on and looks at every other work through the same lens.
It's genuinely sad his enjoyment of such a good franchise is ruined entirely by picking the wrong manga as his first, and that he thinks it's his moral duty to expose the "truth" to us when we're all happi-

is this kind of fucking elaborate performance art thing? I just realised he's trying to take us out of fun world of Gensokyo and into "the real world" which is literally the exact thing he's advocating needs to be done for the human villagers... and he cannot comprehend or atleast pretends not to comprehend we love it here in Gensokyo and don't find it as terrible as he sees...
Dude what the fuck...
Anonymous No.50130915
>>50130909
jewish schizophrenia
Anonymous No.50130923
>>50130909
So what you're saying is that he's possessed Kosuzu before she's freed?
Scary, I didn't know 2hus were weird, I heard Kosuzu was a pervert.
Anonymous No.50130937 >>50131010
>>50130857
>Name one place
the entirety of Eastern Europe
Anonymous No.50130947 >>50131010
>>50130857
India
Anonymous No.50130952
>>50130909
If he likes the games and claims to hate the fans, why doesn't he continue playing them in peace and avoid the fandom, instead of going out preaching to the fandom he hates?
And I'd also like to hear his ideas for game plots that could happen after Gensokyo would be destroyed as he wants so badly...
Anonymous No.50130962
>>50130901
Out of necessity, youkai needed to adapt a conservationist mentality to avoid burning through their resources and destabilizing the delicate peace.
Anonymous No.50130964 >>50131809
>>50130901
Wow something about that made me feel sad... for the lion actually
Anonymous No.50130965 >>50130981 >>50130982 >>50130988 >>50131245
>>50130872
>ONE instance of a guy
Also fortune Teller. The Old men in Lotus Eater. The secret history society in Bohemia of Red Archive. The human villagers in Symposium wanting Reimu to break up a meeting out of fear and paranoia. The salt merchant in Forbidden Scrollery. What do you have? Nothing.

> is not proof they aren't being allowed to seek happiness.
The part where Yukari literally says "They aren't allowed to seek happiness" does that.

>Look at the goddamn sample size, this is our problem with your fucking argument dude, you're listing numerically low, fringe examples and instead of accepting that the numbers show you're not right
You have no sample size, period. The only evidence you are festivals. Festivals they would have if they lived in the outside world. If every Youkai was exterminated, Gensokyo was razed to the ground, and the human villagers went free. What do you think they would do if they moved to Tokyo and there was a festival?

People being happy at a festival is not evidence that they like Gensokyo. it's not evidence that Gensokyo is good. Gensokyo did not invent festivals. If Gensokyo went away there would still be festivals. Objectively better festivals, even. If you want to go down the shallow materialistc side then I'm sure these peole would prefer a rollercoaster to liven up their festival experience. Can you deny this? And if not, argue that they wouldn't view every single Youkai being extermianted as a acceptable tradeoff. Because, I can, very easily in fact. Cause the human villagers don't like Gensokyo, they don't like Youkai, they don't like magic, and they don't even like Reimu. They like festivals, they can have those in the outside world.

>... just where the fuck does this whole idea that they're being prevented from seeking happiness come from?
The part where they, CAN'T, FUCKING, LEAVE. The part where they CAN'T, FUCKING, HAVE, A, OPINION without Yukari spying on them like big brother.

If you like autocracy so much. Move to fucking North Korea already, christ.

>It's like saying the Shire is a fucking shithole and Saruman was right to come in and industrialize the place because Bilbo had an unexpected fun time adventuring and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins exists
Tolkien spend more time explaining why the Shire is a wonderful place in a single passage than ZUN has spend explaining why the human village is good in every Touhou work put together.

Even then, the entire point of the Shire at the end of the Lord of the Rings is that for all of it's idealism and goodness it STILL can't actually escape the corruption of Sauron. Cause the Lord of the Ring is a setting that actually establishes something and is written by a talented individual. So stupid idiots like you can't fundamentally misunderstand the setting and world to keep the inane shitty pseudo gacha slop setting you perverted Gensokyo into alive.

>because there is nowhere in the text saying the Hobbit Shiriffs are oppressing them but that's exactly how factual your arguments are
When you play Undertale do you need somebody to explain to you that the monsters can't leave? When you see a picture of the berlin wall do you just assume "Clearly, this is there to let people through"?

We know bilbo can leave. We know they can leave because there isn't a giant fucking barrier around the Shire to explicitly keep out everybody locked inside.

>Also when are you going to bring up the fact that gods exist in Gensokyo and literally provide material benefit and aid to the human villagers
What material goodness? The food they wouldn't need if they lived in the outside world? The luxury products they would more easily obtain in the outside world? The love and relationships they could get even if they lived as literal cavemen?
Anonymous No.50130972
>>50130885
Malfroy explicitly doesn't deserve to die because him and his family still feel love for each other. it's childish, but I never said harry potter is good.
Anonymous No.50130981
>>50130965
Anonymous No.50130982 >>50131021
>>50130965
>The luxury products they would more easily obtain in the outside world?
Ah yes, I love the international child slave industry that produces my iphones. Isn't that so wonderful, it's not like even beyond that technology has caused a lot of problems in human society globally.
Anonymous No.50130988 >>50131021
>>50130965
>The luxury products they would more easily obtain in the outside world?
ah yes, the luxury goods they will buy with all that money they do not have because they can't get a job without papers or a home
Anonymous No.50130998 >>50131037
His entire argument falls flat due to the existence of Kogasa, she's the goodest girl in all the world and is perfect in every way
Anonymous No.50130999 >>50131008
>>50130909
That was me though? I just moved to THP and am happy. Canonfagging is for losers.
Anonymous No.50131002 >>50131012
>>50130909
>We've asked him about it before he claims to like Touhou but this weird perception of Touhou he had when he first got into it playing the games before it got "shattered" reading the mangas
You are confusing me with the other dude.

I ALWAYS liked Touhou for the edge. Even back during PMISS Gensokyo, when it was genuinly good place for the human villagers, I got into the setting for the edge of the entire thing being build on outsiders being slaughtered. While others were reading slice of life pseudo gacha slop doujins, most of my background was into western fanfics (Most of which were also shit, I will admit). If I got disillusioned with Touhou it was mostly because I realized that ZUN can't write likeable characters and I find it impossible to care about anything that happens in the manga. I don't care about what happens to these people, basically. Even then I still kept track of the games and manga for the most part (Animal realm stuff genuinly bored me though).

The issue I ran into is you, specifically the Touhou fandom. I fucking hate the way you take this potentially interesting, if flawed setting, and turn it into hot garbage by removing anything even remotely interesting from it so you can masturbate over images of characters you don't even understand or like. I've repeatedly called you "Pseudo gacha fans", but at least most gacha fandoms actually understand the characters on some basic level. You do not, not only that but you fundamentally refuse to engage with the work in any meaningful capacity. Openly ignoring themes, idea, storylines, and facts because they don't match your shallow shitty fan meme version of Gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50131008
>>50130999
>Canonfagging is for losers.
>Moves to a fanfiction site.
Then get back to writing faggot.
Also why the fuck are you here then?
Anonymous No.50131010 >>50131016 >>50131031
>>50130937
Outside of the actual warzone. In every degree better than Gensokyo. Less crime, safer, more freedom of movement, probably less poverty.

>>50130947
See above.
Anonymous No.50131012 >>50131053 >>50131262
>>50131002
were you into imperfect metamorphosis by any chance?
Anonymous No.50131016 >>50131053
>>50131010
>he lacks critical information
Anonymous No.50131017 >>50131053
>>50130857
I just echo what the other dude said lol, you're so set in your headcanon that you can't even accept direct contradictions top it, it must be discarded... Because reasons (lmao)
Anonymous No.50131021 >>50131040
>>50130982
>I hate technology
>I say posting online
Fuck off. Go live in a cave if you feel that way. Unlike in Gensokyo, you actually can.

>>50130988
A fucking Indonesian peasant can get their hands on stuff that would make your average Gensokyo peasant cream their pants nowadays. They'll do just fine.
Anonymous No.50131030 >>50131045
jesus you guys are still going?
Anonymous No.50131031 >>50131060
>>50131010
>
Anonymous No.50131037 >>50131051 >>50131055
>>50130998
This is a fantastic example of fans open contempt of characters.

Is Kogasa a good person? Eh, arguably. She doesn't seem all that evil at the very least and is somewhat of a victim. However, she is also a generally bratty and mischievousness girl with a few hints of a dark streak. Yet, because that doesn't match the shitty fanon version of Kogasa it's ignored in favor of turning her into a fucking boring as sin moe blob.
Anonymous No.50131040 >>50131074
>>50131021
>Fuck off. Go live in a cave if you feel that way. Unlike in Gensokyo, you actually can.
>I think the outside world, especially in Hifuu has problems.
Civilization and technology are kind of trade off, as humans we understand how to manipulate the word around us more then we understand the consequences of our actions and ourselves.
Just look at us, trying to build machines to forfeit human minds. Isn't the the height of foolishness?
Anonymous No.50131043 >>50131074
>>50130857
>Human villagers are murdered
There is literally 1 instance of a villager dying to the youkai equivalent of a serial killer (people die all the time IRL from those too) before that guy was executed, and that was a kind of youkai reimu calls unusual in WaHH. So 1 bit of violence vs an entire series of playfulness, I wonder what's the norm? Not grimsokyo that is
40k is literally a comical scifi take on warhammer turned up to 11 with a ton of blood and gore added in for the hell of it, it's practically the opposite of wrestling-style play fighting like ZUN says it is.
Anonymous No.50131045
>>50131030
this is the same situation that led to the 1000+ CDS threads. This guy can and WILL argue minutae for that many posts.
Anonymous No.50131051 >>50131072 >>50131074
>>50131037
>However, [HEADCANON]
cope and seethe, the goodest girl in all of Touhou is a youkai (tsukumogami)
Anonymous No.50131053 >>50131064
>>50131016
Can you prove EITHER location has worse standards of living than Edo Japan?

>>50131012
I read it but never got that into it.

>>50131017
What headcanons? I've repeatedly stated that I will accept a maybe in most questions. You are insistent upon pushing your own ideas while having no actual evidence to show for it.

Do you have a single shred of evidence that the villagers COULD potentially leave? Any? Because right now your argument basically comes down to "The Hakurei Barrier doesn't exist because shut up".
Anonymous No.50131055 >>50131067 >>50131072 >>50131077
>>50131037
>contempt of characters
did you lift this one from oppositewinner's giant schizo rant? he was the tard who claimed that fans hate ZUN and the characters
Anonymous No.50131060 >>50131068
>>50131031
This literally sounds exactly like every anon talking about why Gensokyo isn't that bad in the upper article and then the actual human villagers in the bottom one.
Anonymous No.50131064 >>50131077
>>50131053
>I've repeatedly stated that I will accept a maybe in most questions
Stating is not acting, you're dead set on acting like it's canon. And it's pretty simple to say that nobody buys lies, dude.
Anonymous No.50131066
>>50130806
Thanks
Anonymous No.50131067
>>50131055
He also posted on Spaztron's blog about how ZUN was engaged in a conspiracy with the moderators of 2chan and 4chan to promote Touhou.
Although Spaztron's abandoned his blog so it might be hard to find.
Anonymous No.50131068 >>50131077
>>50131060
Anon... do you not know how shit living in India is? Literally AND Figuratively
Anonymous No.50131072 >>50131087 >>50131114
>>50131051
>>50131055
It's probably the same retard that argued Byakuren and Nitori's personality didn't change across games despite ZUN literally saying so himself.
It's always are 2hus are le bad and grimdark with him, same kind of retard that unironically thinks muh edgy man eater Rumia is somehow canon
Anonymous No.50131074 >>50131083 >>50131088
>>50131040
>As humans we understand how to manipulate the word around us more then we understand the consequences of our actions and ourselves.
The entire point of spirituality is to do that heavy lifting. Meanwhile, the people of Gensokyo are more spiritually dead than Atheists living in the USSr.

>>50131043
>There is literally 1 instance of a villager dying to the youkai equivalent of a serial killer
Bohemia has more mentions of Humans getting killed. PMISS, even freaking PMISS, and Synopsium have mentions of youkai killing villagers. Yukari openly talks about spying on them and blocking them from doing anything they don't want.

>>50131051
You actively loath Kogasa.
Anonymous No.50131077 >>50131085
>>50131055
They hate the characters and the setting.

>>50131064
Then post actual evidence. I'll accept a draw if you can post proof.

>>50131068
Less shit than living in Gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50131083 >>50131101
>>50131074
>Meanwhile, the people of Gensokyo are more spiritually dead than Atheists living in the USSr.
Lol, lamo even.
Anonymous No.50131085 >>50131101
>>50131077
>Then post actual evidence. I'll accept a draw if you can post proof.
You won't accept it anyway anon, happy people aren't happy to you, they're secretly unhappy because some guy said he heard about a weird fantasy creature last night inbetween drunken bouts of talking shit with his buddy.
No anon, you see, the point of the discussion was never to convince you since you are unreasonable, it's just to put you up on a stage where you can be annoying and turn off as many people as possible.
Anonymous No.50131087
>>50131072
Their personalities did change, though I do like the idea that in the case of Nitori she was always a bad egg she was just still trying to put up a air of PR in Mountain of Faith.

>2hus are le bad
Unsympathetic, mostly. With most youkai being a classical example of a race of always chaotic evil people.

>Grimdark
It's not Grimdark on the basis that Gensokyo being razed to the ground is both easy and achievable.

>edgy man eater Rumia is somehow canon
Rumia is canonically too lazy to actually hunt people down. She probably would eat a person if she could but even outsiders aren't inclined to fall for it.
Anonymous No.50131088 >>50131105 >>50131292
>>50131074
You're just scared of her
Anonymous No.50131101 >>50131142
>>50131083
Yes, they are.

>>50131085
>, happy people aren't happy
1: Are those people happy BECAUSE of Gensokyo? If so, can you proof they wouldn't enjoy festivals in the outside world? 2: This has fuck all to do with people being happy. "Can they leave" is a very simple question. Yes or no. Failing that, try to get out a maybe.

>they're secretly unhappy because some guy said he heard about a weird fantasy creature last night inbetween drunken bouts of talking shit with his buddy.
They would be happier living in the outside world without Youkai.
Anonymous No.50131105 >>50131115 >>50131144
>>50131088
No, I actually like canon kogasa who is kind of a annoying cheeky brat.
Anonymous No.50131114 >>50131160
>>50131072
You're getting confused. Grimsokyo is retarded, the seeds for arrogant two-faced Nitori and hypocritical Byakuren were always there.
Anonymous No.50131115
>>50131105
Sex?
Anonymous No.50131142 >>50131148 >>50131195
>>50131101
>Are those people happy BECAUSE of Gensokyo?
Are people happy BECAUSE of the outside world? Happiness is just a state of being, the reason for being happy shouldn't matter too much.
The question is actually the opposite since you tend to ignore them being happy: Why aren't villagers happy to see the Primsrivers play if they are supposedly always unhappy?
>"Can they leave" is a very simple question.
You are so obsessed with this question but it's already something you've said is up to headcanon. If it's up to headcanon, the answer is not "yes or no", that's a lie. It's "maybe" in all cases you can come up with as per the definition of headcanon, including mine or yours.
>They would be happier living in the outside world without Youkai.
Are you happy right now? Can you measure how happy you are with numbers and quantify it? Probably not. Being happy is just a state of emotion. You can feel certain kinds of anger, but actually putting it down to numbers how angry you are is impossible, a human can only be so angry.
The same problem arises there, a happy human is a happy human in all cases.
Anonymous No.50131144 >>50131377
>>50131105
Kogasa is a schemer thoughbeit
Anonymous No.50131148 >>50131205
>>50131142
Why aren't the villagers unhappy to see*
Anonymous No.50131160
>>50131114
These are just your headcanons based off how ZUN handled their characters later.
It's you against ZUN's word, sit the fuck down.
Anonymous No.50131161 >>50131269
>>50130744
Tewi gave birth to all those rabbits herself. What a legend.
Anonymous No.50131176 >>50131272 >>50131283 >>50131321 >>50131378 >>50131464
>>50130638
In regard to Grimsokyofags being redditors I actually have a confirmed case of at least one of them being that, there was a guy who just wouldn't leave Byakuren and Kasen threads alone and made threads about Doomguy crossing over into Touhou just to kill 2hus or something pathetic like that, but basically I discovered that this guy was sharing the exact same images and kind of arguments on reddit.
So yes, it's perfectly legitimate to call grimsokyofaggotry reddit.
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/47193772#p47228552
https://www.reddit.com/r/2hujerk/comments/1gtepch/comment/lxn91c7/?context=3
The image dimensions and everything match up, it's not posted anywhere else and you can even see the phoneposting filename too lol
Anonymous No.50131195 >>50131232
>>50131142
>Are people happy BECAUSE of the outside world?
If you examine most reasons why people feel happiness in the world today. You realize they would be, if not impossible, harder than they would be in Gensokyo. At the very least, any person that experiences happiness in gensokyo would be happier in the outside world. Cause there is nothing in Gensokyo that is better than the outside world.

>but it's already something you've said is up to headcanon.
No, you fucking dumbass. I've said that if you want to argue for a "maybe, do so. It sounds like a fucking stretch, but I want to see you try it.

>Are you happy right now?
yes.

>Can you measure how happy you are with numbers and quantify it?
Yes.

>The same problem arises there, a happy human is a happy human in all cases.
A human in the outside world is more happy because there are more festivals. There, simple enough. Even you should understand that.
Anonymous No.50131205 >>50131261
>>50131148
Because the Primriver sisters aren't Youkai and listening to their music is basically like taking drugs.
Anonymous No.50131232 >>50131369
>>50131195
>You realize they would be, if not impossible, harder than they would be in Gensokyo.
Again with the headcanon.
> At the very least, any person that experiences happiness in gensokyo would be happier in the outside world.
Also headcanon, you're eternally stuck with the headcanon. It's not "yes", it's "maybe" like you said, act like it.
>It sounds like a fucking stretch, but I want to see you try it.
You've already faced "maybe" arguments and decided that they weren't good enough because people can have bad moods anon, nobody's going to take that kind of post seriously, as they aren't already.
>yes.
You don't sound like you are.
>Yes.
That was a trick question, there's only so much dopamine and chemicals you can feel. So, wrong.
>A human in the outside world is more happy because there are more festivals. There, simple enough. Even you should understand that.
No, because festivals aren't a measure of happiness just like dishwashers aren't kek, I'm only saying that they are happy because they are shown being happy. We're not given grand displays of the entire village being in despair and horror, more often than not when the whole village is out, they're having the time of their life (and that means, in the same sense we'd be, not like in uh, Faggomunda or whatever tableslop you're obsessed with today). Which is objectively what's happening as much as it upsets you.
Anonymous No.50131245 >>50131461
>>50130965
I already said the two old men from LE
>The secret history society
It's funny you bring that up because 1) That's fucking AYA SHAMEIMARU WRITING THAT SHIT. Aya the notorious fucking liar, there's actually a funny bit in that article where Keine talks about how Reimu needs to advertize herself a bit more to get donations since people don't hear about her exploits. Something which is directly Aya's fault because she refuses to actually write about the good shit Reimu does. 2) I love you got the totally real secret society from it as a takeaway but completely glossed over the actual quote by Keine from the article >"Even if many people now think of youkai as they used to be, these memories can fade in 20 years when the next generation comes about. The youkai are no longer rivals. Despite this, the humans have arbitrarily decided to do away with them. Humans should not be searching for past history, but passing history down the generational line instead. That's much more important."
Oh but next you'll say Keine is a half-human race traitor so her word can't be taken... fucking hell
>Human villagers wanting Reimu to break up a meeting out of paranoia
A meeting composed entirely of religious leaders who are on friendly terms with the humans? That's another thing too, it's human nature to be irrationally fearful of strange things... not a sign of an atmosphere of paranoia and distrust... plus if the Pope, a Chief Rabbi and a Caliph were meeting in a bar in Uganda, you don't think the folks in town are going to get antsy?
>Salt Merchant
Ate his own horse and was a dick idfc
>Fortune Teller
Admittedly Fortune Teller is harder to argue against as one would have to ask what the hell that whole "no villagers turning into a youkai" rule is about, a rule so strong Reimu would be required to murk her best friend Marisa if she crossed the line. Fortune Teller's whole problem was just that he didn't like how humans were at "youkai's mercy" but you kinda have to understand ZUN's Japanese... Japan's at the mercy of China and America. They have nukes, China really fucking hates Japan's guts for WW2. If being at the mercy of someone more powerful is the end of the world then it's Owari Da and yet Japan persists.... actually I wonder if Fortune Teller is sort of an allegory for people saying Japan needs to rearm itself or even gain a nuclear arsenal of it's own. And how it almost seems irrational that for simply wanting to be on a level playing field to be able to defend themselves from their neighbours (whom they are at the complete mercy of) and thus be free they are threatened with potential military action... of course IRL the situation has a lot more complexities and nuances which also applies to how it is in Gensokyo
Also the dude hurt Kosuzu in the process of trying to reincarnate himself... he technically broke another important rule the second he was reborn, no hurting the human villagers.
>What do you have? Nothing.
We have countless instances of extras both from games and mangas happily going about their day, countless instances, hell I even remember the old Geidontei men being quite happy from time to time (cause they're humans yknow). Some photos have even been posted here (and you've responded by passive aggressively posting images of people from dictatorships smiling under duress for a photoshoot... forgetting that mangas aren't staged photoshoots and are windows into this world we're peeking in from). There's also Kosuzu but oooh wait she doesn't count because she's a subject of Nepotism right? Keine also doesn't count in your view because she's a half-youkai race traitor
Anyways you've already dismissed festival goers as valid human beings. But just so you know I don't got nothing, you just refuse to accept my something as anything

>The part where Yukari literally says "They aren't allowed to seek happiness"
>Yukari spying on them like big brother
Never been said, Never happened, literal headcanon. Look dude I sometimes mix up what I read in a fanwork as canon sometimes but Bombergrape doujins are...

>When you play Undertale do you need somebody to explain to you that the monsters can't leave?
Y'know i've seen this as a legit criticism of Undertale. The monsters bitch and moan about how bad they have it in the underground being trapped but they literally have better lives than we do on the surface, no wars, everyone's friends with each other, people own big houses. It's not awful at all, they're just so obsessed with the idea of themselves being trapped they can't enjoy what they have

>The food they wouldn't need if they lived in the outside world?
Anon we fucking need food, what the fuck are you talking about
Anonymous No.50131261 >>50131472
>>50131205
Sorry, when I wrote this post I was possessed by a retarded secondary who died choking on cock. What I meant to say is that Lunasa and Merlin's solo music is kind of like drugs if you squint really hard and are an autistic retard who doesn't know how emotions work, but as any actual fan could tell you their music gets balanced out by Lyrica's piano into just good music with no detrimental effect on the psyche.
Anonymous No.50131262
>>50131012
NO no no *I'm* into Imperfect Metamorphosis and even I can see this faggot's just objectively wrong. I know how to separate my fanfiction from my canon
Anonymous No.50131269
>>50131161
They're actually adopted WaHH clarifies the Inaba are a family bound by experience, not by blood.
Anonymous No.50131271
Why are we still humoring the dishwasher retard?
Anonymous No.50131272
>>50131176
Shots fired
Anonymous No.50131277
This is why you never argue with a jew
Anonymous No.50131283 >>50131313
>>50131176
>Impaler
>His friend Nork
>This guy
>The other guy
I wonder if they're all in the same Mutants and Master group? We at least know Nork and Impaler are.
Anonymous No.50131292 >>50131320 >>50131322
>>50131088
Holy fuck not only is this art amazing but it's so absurd. What even is the context of Kogasa fighting fucking Khorne?!
Anonymous No.50131313
>>50131283
If you look up the usually chatter about grimsokyo stuff you're bound to get hits on reddit too, though you're gonna need to look for a bit to find repeat offenders.
Anonymous No.50131320 >>50131341
>>50131292
I know Kogasa being a secret blacksmithing god is a theory among japs
No idea about the art guess the artist just wanted to draw something cool
Anonymous No.50131321
>>50131176
So in otherwords picrel is finally useful. Alright lads, gather around get your copies ready for the next LE thread
Anonymous No.50131322
>>50131292
cuz its cool, and kogasa is cool
Anonymous No.50131341 >>50131349 >>50131377
>>50131320
I prefer Remilia and Flan being the Living Shrines of Odin and Surtur as my crack theories but this one is nice too.
Kogasa becoming a blacksmithing god is too feasible and not crack enough.
Anonymous No.50131349
>>50131341
Kogasa is actually scary
Anonymous No.50131369 >>50131386 >>50131429
>>50131232
>Again with the headcanon.
Neither happiness and it's correlation to living standards or the living standards of Gensoyko being low are headcanons.

>Also headcanon,
Unless you want to argue every real world attempt to quantify happiness is wrong in Touhou. It's not.

>You've already faced "maybe" arguments and decided that they weren't good enough
No, I haven't Fucking state them.

>That was a trick question, there's only so much dopamine and chemicals you can feel
Then its about length.

>No, because festivals aren't a measure of happiness
They are are according to you.

>they're having the time of their life
Which they can have in the outside world. More often and easier. No part of it requires Gensokyo to exist and by every objective measure they would experience it more often if Gensokyo was gone.
Anonymous No.50131377 >>50131406
>>50131341
Yeah because technically all Tsukumogami are former gods turned youkai
Symposium of Post-Mysticism even spells it out very very clearly

Kogasa is actually shown to be a master blacksmith >>50131144 as seen here actually
That's more of an Ippon Datara thing but honestly if Kogasa had been given the proper chance she could genuinely have become a blacksmith god
but alas she has been reincarnated into a horrid youkai who's going to smash up all the dishwashers and force everyone at umbrella point to smile for all the manga panels
Anonymous No.50131378
>>50131176
>Checks reddit
>Limbusfag
>Helldivers
>For Honor
>Yuugifag
>Borderlands
Checks out
Anonymous No.50131386 >>50131545
>>50131369
gb2reddit
Anonymous No.50131406 >>50131410
>>50131377
Kogasa is a karakasa obake tsukumogami that LARPs as Ippon Datara (who has one eye) but funnily enough has allowed herself to be channeled by Amenohitotsu no Kami who ALSO has one eye
Anonymous No.50131410
>>50131406
wow
Anonymous No.50131429 >>50131442
>>50131369
>Neither happiness and it's correlation to living standards or the living standards of Gensoyko being low are headcanons.
Yes they are.
>No, I haven't Fucking state them.
Dementia isn't a good excuse anon. You've seen plenty of posts in this thread and way back when, you should remember them by heart.
>Then its about length.
Not really, happiness is happiness. Contentness is contentness.
>They are are according to you.
Not at all. As I said, they're happy enough to hold festivals constantly and we're shown in the background of the manga that they are happy going along with their day. Obviously when a human intrudes into the story they often have a grievance that's also usually resolved because that's a good way to tell a story.
>Which they can have in the outside world.
And in Gensokyo.
>More often and easier
Headcanon.
>No part of it requires Gensokyo to exist and by every objective measure they would experience it more often if Gensokyo was gone.
Objective measure according to who, anon? You're basing your entire view of the series on blurbs of incomplete information that have plenty of contradictions and using this to build a world that's supposedly far inferior to our own when we're not really shown much of that at all. Every gripe you see in Gensokyo exists IRL in their own forms but we also see wars, famine and other things that are actually confirmed as happening instead of headcanon famines that have no precedent within the lore at all.
Even better, we know youkai and gods protect the village up to and including stopping storms, floods and probably even helping the crops supernaturally, they live in a literal magic land unlike us whilst we're always restricted by pure limitation of resources.
Hell, if you're poor or not willing to waste money on things, a good prayer could literally give you money via a favor from the kami via the mechanics of how the world works. Not like that's often necessary given how poverty is not rampant in Gensokyo, only that some people don't have money for every little thing but still get support from their fellow villagers, which we are shown.
Now, if that's all, you may wanna get back to /r/touhou or whichever namefag forum you actually belong to.
Anonymous No.50131442
>>50131429
He apparently likes going on Deathbattles and rooting for *checks notes*
NuDoomguy... of course
Anonymous No.50131461 >>50131464 >>50131504 >>50131543 >>50131557 >>50132820
>>50131245
>That's fucking AYA SHAMEIMARU WRITING THAT SHIT
>Muh ambiguity
Fucking post actual evidence instead of just going "Well, it MIGHT be a lie.

>I love you got the totally real secret society from it as a takeaway
I got it because Touhou and Gensokyo changed a lot so most of Keine's comments nowadays have to be taken with a grain of salt. Same doesn't apply to what Aya is saying.

>A meeting composed entirely of religious leaders who are on friendly terms with the humans?
Two of the people were literally talking about how they viewed the human villagers as livestock.

>Ate his own horse
if we apply that logic to every other character 99% of them deserve to be violently murdered. Besides, it does serve as a example of unhappiness in Gensokyo.

>whole problem was just that he didn't like how humans were at "youkai's mercy"
No, he correctly understood his life living in teh human village was worthless compared to the outside world and he wanted to improve it. It had nothing to do with being at the mercy of youkai, he didn't like living in the human village because he thought it was a backwards shithole and the outside world was better.

>We have countless instances of extras both from games and mangas happily going about their day
Which isn't evidence IN FAVOR of Gensokyo because they would be just as happy in the outside world. It shows their capacity to be happy and therefore only highlights how much better off they would be outside Gensokyo.

>There's also Kosuzu but oooh wait she doesn't count because she's a subject of Nepotism right?
Yes.

>Keine
Doesn't count because she's been banished to the retcon zone never to be seen again.

>Anyways you've already dismissed festival goers as valid human beings.
I dismissed it because it's not a point in favor of Gensokyo. They would be just as happy in the outside world and everything indicates they would be happier there.

>Never been said
Yes, she fucking did you insane stupid piece of shit secondary. For fuck sake.

>Y'know i've seen this as a legit criticism of Undertale
I'm sure you have. Turns out people don't care about what they have when they are trapped against their will in a tiny place with no hope of escape.

>Anon we fucking need food
We have enough food in the outside world. Enough to feed everybody in Gensokyo about 9 billion times.
Anonymous No.50131464
>>50131461
>IMG
Oh no, phonefag phonefag... >>50131176
Anonymous No.50131472 >>50131492
>>50131261
No? It explicitly says their music has a effect on the human psyche that is magical. They aren't just really good at playing.
Anonymous No.50131492 >>50131498
>>50131472
Drugs aren't supernatural, and you're ignoring the most important point.
Anonymous No.50131498
>>50131492
>Drugs aren't supernatural
That's just what THEY want you to believe.
Anonymous No.50131504 >>50131586
>>50131461
>Fucking post actual evidence instead of just going "Well, it MIGHT be a lie."
NTA but journalists are judged on their veracity and Aya has very little, she wrote all of AFiEU too kek
Anonymous No.50131543
>>50131461
Aya is a known liar
Keine's comments have to be taken with salt but not Aya? Dude... how can you distrust youkai this much yet trust Aya 100%
Nobody viewed the villagers as livestock
Dude when I'm depressed I don't eat my cat Sesame... you can be unhappy without doing shit like that
Did Fortune Teller actually said he wanted to live in the outside world lol, he still wanted to live in Gensokyo just as a youkai. If anything he was only unhappy that he was a mushy human and not a youkai (and latest LE chapter revealed there's secret magicians like Marisa all across the village so humans aren't so mushy)
there's no evidence they would be happier outside Gensokyo, Hitchen's Razor my friend
Yukari's a known liar
I don't get how people are trapped in Gensokyo when it's the size of a country and humans haven't even expanded to fill a fraction of it, sure they're trapped in a metaphorical sense but I'd say you get enough freedom. It's not like the Simpsons movie y'know?
We also have enough food to feed everyone in the outside many times over and yet millions starve
Anonymous No.50131545 >>50131578 >>50131592 >>50131659
>>50131386
Fuck off, secondary.

>Yes they are.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8565763/

>Not really, happiness is happiness
Then it's about how long one feels happiness. Thus, more festivals equals longer happiness.

>As I said, they're happy enough to hold festivals constantly
Reimu is holding festivals. Festivals that would still exist if gensokyo was gone. Thus Gensokyo should be razed to the ground. Same, if not more festivals, less Youkai. All around better.

>Obviously when a human intrudes into the story they often have a grievance that's also usually resolved because that's a good way to tell a story.
I don't give a fuck. The grievance is youkai. kill All youkai. No grievance. This is objectively better.

>And in Gensokyo.
No Youkai, more time of their life.

>Headcanon.
Do you know how many festivals there are in Japan? Infinitely more than in Gensokyo even if we assume every festival we see in every manga takes place within 5 years.

>Objective measure according to who, anon?
According to all known understanding of humanity and your own retarded logic. They would ahve festivals in the outside world. This is a objective fact. Any grievances they would have are caused by Youkai. This is a objective fact. Remove the grievances(Youkai) and they would be objectively better off. Your own retarded logic only highlights how no happiness they experience in Gensokyo has anything to do with Gensokyo. They WOULD have festivals in the outside world. They WOULD not have to deal with Youkai in the outside world. That is all that matters. Since all human happiness to you is simply people being happy at a festival, the total sum of all human experience is no more or less meaningful than that to you, that is the only conclusion we must draw. If Gensokyo was destroyed, they would be better off because more festivals and no Youkai.

>Even better, we know youkai and gods protect the village up to and including stopping storms, floods and probably even helping the crops supernaturally,
None of which would be necessary or useful if they were free of Gensokyo. People in Japan are hardly bothered by storms, floods, and crop shortages nowadays. The human villagers would be the same way. The only reason they need it is because they are trapped against their will. That's called a protection racket.

>a good prayer could literally give you money via a favor from the kami via the mechanics of how the world works
Headcanon.

>Not like that's often necessary given how poverty is not rampant in Gensokyo
Average living standards are statically poverty in comparison to almost anywhere else on the planet.

>which we are shown.
Headcanon.
Anonymous No.50131557 >>50131595
>>50131461
Taking Keine with a grain of salt makes sense since she's both a Lunarians and Yukari stooge but Aya is somehow even less trustable than that odd combination of allegiances.
Anonymous No.50131578
>>50131545
go back to jerking off with your buddies at r/2hujerk
Anonymous No.50131586 >>50131610 >>50131662 >>50131823
>>50131504
>Aya is a known liar
How would she lie about this? To who? She doesn't lie just for the sake of lying. She lies to make the story more exciting.

>Nobody viewed the villagers as livestock
Byakuren and kanako openly state as much. Read the actual text, subhuman.

>Did Fortune Teller actually said he wanted to live in the outside world
Yes, but since he couldn't he decided to off himself and become a youkai instead. You fucking secondary.

>there's no evidence they would be happier outside Gensokyo
The evidence is their consistent intrest in the outside world, total lack of interest in anything having to do with Youkai or Gensokyo, and basic understanding of happiness and standards of living.

>Yukari's a known liar
Why would she lie to kasen? What would she get out of lying to kasen? How does this help her goals?

Again, you are confusing "X Character lies" with "X character lies for no reason".

>when it's the size of a country
It's a fucking minor valley. A country? A fucking country? Vatican city is probably bigger.

>It's not like the Simpsons movie y'know?
No, it is EXACTLY like the Simpson movie. Probably slightly smaller, in fact.

>We also have enough food to feed everyone in the outside many times over and yet millions starve
Not in japan.
Anonymous No.50131592
>>50131545
Look, Ryoshu is getting her Canto in december. I know Shit Faust is a shit unit but you don't have to take your anger out on her on 2hus.
Anonymous No.50131595 >>50131623
>>50131557
I take her with a grain of salt because canon has changed and also Keine no longer exists as a character anyway.
Anonymous No.50131610 >>50131645
>>50131586
>The evidence is their consistent intrest in the outside world, total lack of interest in anything having to do with Youkai or Gensokyo, and basic understanding of happiness and standards of living.
Hey buddy, I think the roman empire and Gensokyo are interesting, that doesn't mean I want to live there.
Anonymous No.50131623 >>50131638 >>50131655
>>50131595
By that logic Yukari is not spying on anyone because the spies no longer exist as a concept anyway
Youkai no longer eat people because that no longer exists as a concept anyway
Human villagers can leave because when was the last time the barrier was even mentioned dude, it might not even exist anymore
Wow Gensokyo is truly wonderful
Anonymous No.50131638
>>50131623
>Youkai no longer eat people because that no longer exists as a concept anyway
But that is true, preying on humans has become less popular overtime. Kasen even accidentally get's the kappa to stop eating ass.
Anonymous No.50131645 >>50131715 >>50131726
>>50131610
If you have zero interest in the people that make up the majority of the population of your hometown but you do really, REALLY fucking like a different place you would move there if you could. Especially if those people are infinity wealthier and have way more of a future. People have moved for way, WAY less. Most ecenomic migrants moved from places that are leagues above Gensokyo in most measures.

You don't want to move to the Roman Empire and Gensokyo because you know your life there would be worse and there is presumably something you like about your hometown. There is nothing anybody in the human village does that shows any love for Gensokyo. Zero, nadda, nothing. Nobody likes Youkai. Nobody wants to be around Youkai. The only mention of humans dealing with Youkai are humans either wanting to kill or get away from Youkai.
Anonymous No.50131655
>>50131623
The spies do exist. This manga is literally about one of Yukari's spies.

Youkai eating outsiders is literally mentioned in every Touhou print work and will continue to be mentioned until the franchise ends.

>when was the last time the barrier was even mentioned dude,
I think Touhou 20.
Anonymous No.50131659 >>50131704 >>50131844
>>50131545
This retard literally just googled "measuring human happiness" and posted the first article that looked like it was scientific. I guaranteed you read nothing of it. As per the article they use a simple 1-10 rating scale to then calculate what they suppose should "count" as happy, essentially the study's trying to rate happiness based on human subjectiveness, not something objective like how many chemicals are in your head which is why I even mentioned chemicals to begin with.
No person's going around thinking "hmmm damn i'm only 5/10 happy right now", they think "damn i'm really happy right now, I feel content, I feel dismayed, I feel angry"
You only say that when you're asked.
If you're by yourself, and you're happy, you're only thinking that you are happy... And well, that's all you need to be happy.
>Then it's about how long one feels happiness.
No, because happiness isn't as cut and dry as that. It can be about contentness, it can be about joy, love and just a general lack of unease. We're never given any way to objective gauge these in Gensokyo but all the visuals tell us that people are definitely having the time of their life and aren't so unhappy as to mope around on the street wanting to end their life.
>I don't give a fuck. The grievance is
Your headcanon, yes.
>No Youkai, more time of their life
There are villagers turned hermits in the village who definitely have more time in their life than any alive human to be happy.
>Do you know how many festivals there are in Japan
Probably less than the average villager is bound to go to on the count of all the village festivals being local festivities.
>According to all known understanding of humanity and your own retarded logic
The only retarded logic here is yours. They WOULD probably have to deal with the world turning to shit like in the Hifuu CDs if they went to the outside world which would probably reduce in plenty of the same unhappiness Renko and Maribel can feel at times, especially since they're also supernatural humans, almost all of them. Also, there's nothing in your headcanon that highlights they would be especially more happy in the outside world, this is just a false assumption you're arguing inside the frame of while being incapable of proving.
>People in Japan are hardly bothered by storms, floods, and crop shortages nowadays
There was a huge problem with rice not that long ago within the last year or so, they get struck by storms all the time that wreak havoc on things, their country was flooded by a tsunami 15 years ago that resulted in immense natural trauma. Would've been sick to have the gods stop that with magic, eh?
>Headcanon.
No, kami exist in gensokyo and answer prayers, this is literally basic shit in the setting. Its shown numerous times that people are helped seemingly by their prayers.
>Average living standards are statically poverty in comparison to almost anywhere else on the planet.
In your headcanon, as established.
>Headcanon.
Kosuzu is literally shown reading to kids to help them study. If you don't like canon so much then maybe you should stay away from it, well, I don't need to say that.
Anon, going on like this will change nothing. Return to the subreddit where you belong.
Anonymous No.50131662 >>50131844
>>50131586
I'm done with you dude... like you're literally one of three people that thinks this way. Every other Touhou fan and I mean every other Touhou fan doesn't think the setting works this way including the creator so... what is the point?
Also you use fucking reddit, you really can't be calling the kettle a nigger here with your "subhuman" shit
Anonymous No.50131668
wow it's almost like arguing with a disingenuous pilpuling jew will make you go around in circles
Anonymous No.50131704
>>50131659
Can we all make an agreement next time this guy shows up, just do not engage. Just have fun talking with each other but never to him
We know he's a redditfag
We know he's never going to change
We know he's wrong
there's no point

and if an agreement is hard to work out let's just make a convenient copypasta to paste in everytime he rears his ugly head to warn others of the dangers of engaging
Anonymous No.50131715 >>50131737 >>50131740 >>50131802 >>50131868
>>50131645
>infinity wealthier
I mean Gensokyo isn't capitalist so measuring things like GDP is silly. There was this archeological fraud group that tried to do something similar with fraudulent vases recently and it was just as silly there.
>You don't want to move to the Roman Empire and Gensokyo because you know your life there would be worse and there is presumably something you like about your hometown.
Not really, the Roman Empire would suck but I just have connections, people who rely on me, and things like that in my life. I wouldn't want to start from scratch in another and I'm a bit comfortable in our modern world. I'm kind of already living my life and wouldn't want a new one.
>The only mention of humans dealing with Youkai are humans either wanting to kill or get away from Youkai.
Right, its not like they hold festivals together, are friends, hold concerts together, gamble and drink together.
Anonymous No.50131726 >>50131754 >>50131868
>>50131645
>There is nothing anybody in the human village does that shows any love for Gensokyo. Zero, nadda, nothing. Nobody likes Youkai
The people in the village fucking love their zashiki-warashi, claiming otherwise is quite literally lying. Why lie?
Anonymous No.50131737 >>50131779
>>50131715
>its not like they hold festivals together, are friends, hold concerts together, gamble and drink together.
Arguably this only applies to certain human friendly youkai almost other youkai keep up the appearance of being scary for theater
Anonymous No.50131740
>>50131715
One of the issues is that by his argument every character that would prove such things to be true is invalid in someway and that because ZUN won't write a story with an entirely new human villager character just chilling and hanging out with youkai it's proof everything's shit
Again he's a redditor, no shit he cannot comprehend the idea of a setting as multiple stories written by a human being
Anonymous No.50131754
>>50131726
They're also really happy to see them return even after they disappeared into thin air in front of them. So much for unease and fear, but muh grimsowkyo... belongs on reddit, that is
Anonymous No.50131779 >>50131999
>>50131737
It's fortunate that human friendly youkai seem to be the norm nowadays to the point Reimu's miffed she doesn't get more work
>>50129932
Anonymous No.50131802
>>50131715
>Not really, the Roman Empire would suck but I just have connections, people who rely on me, and things like that in my life. I wouldn't want to start from scratch in another and I'm a bit comfortable in our modern world. I'm kind of already living my life and wouldn't want a new one.
This is pretty much what I'd think too.
Gensokyo has even less issues than you'd have in ol' Rome and we're already told that outsiders are valued and sometimes even decide to stay despite it somehow being such an great, unhappy, dystopic place. The whole premise of the "argument" is built on such shaky foundations that I'm wondering why it ever got its start, but the answer is probably autism.
Anonymous No.50131809 >>50131830
>>50130964
Don't be sad for him, this is what he voted for.

I really think there is a huge missed opportunity for ZUN to do stories with youkai who feel like they lost their purpose.
Have them as people with a general sense of malaise and inability to settle into the modern Gensokyo, which alienates them almost as much as the Outside World does.
There's lots of opportunities there, from characters who want things to return to how they once were and regret ever going along with the Hakurei's scheme, those who are actively trying to escalate conflicts, those who strong wish they could just be human because they think they're the only people who are truly alive, those who keep throwing themselves into new pursuits in hope of finding something fulfilling, and those who think it would've been better for youkai to just fade away naturally instead of seeking to artificially prolong their existence.

At one point, it seemed like this would actually be a notable part of the setting, like with Aya commenting in Rumia's interview that many youkai seem to just act without purpose or meaning to their existence.
But actually doing anything with that would require ZUN to write a story with an actual sense of gravitas and seriousness, but as we see with Mizuchi's story, ZUN just fundamentally doesn't want to commit to anything serious so we're forever stuck with silly stories about silly girls in silly hats with no real stakes or consequences.
Anonymous No.50131823 >>50131877
>>50131586
>She lies to make the story more exciting.
And you know what makes things more exciting? Exaggerating details that make people feel at unease, that make people fume and make people excited to see what's next. If you report "the sky was blue today, good forecast, gods will stop the storm" for the umpteenth time it gets old.
If Reimu shows her armpits, "reimu flashes the public" would be exciting (and Aya canonically planned to sell pictures of her in a short skirt with cleavage showing so she's definitely not beyond this) and if a bunch of humans started saying weird things you're sure to make youkai read this by overplaying how they feel.
The stories are literally built to be headcanon'd with the way they're set up, so there's plenty of wiggle room.
Anonymous No.50131830 >>50131839 >>50132300
>>50131809
>I really think there is a huge missed opportunity for ZUN to do stories with youkai who feel like they lost their purpose.
Aya has some of that, feeling trapped in her job, not apricated, and complaining about not being able to set fires or attack people anymore.
Anonymous No.50131839 >>50132300
>>50131830
I think he just meant that he wants youkai Mizuchi, which would probably mindbreak grimfags even harder.
Anonymous No.50131844 >>50131851 >>50131941 >>50132047
>>50131659
>This retard literally just googled "measuring human happiness"
Nope. Looked up correlation between human happiness and living standards.

>No person's going around thinking "hmmm damn i'm only 5/10 happy right now"
there are ways to measure happiness and there is a correlation between happiness and living standards. To what extent it's fully possible to measure happiness is harder to say. But if your argument is that people at a festival are happy is evidence that everybody at the human village is happy. can you prove the majority of the population even goes to the festivals?

>but all the visuals tell us that people are definitely having the time of their life and aren't so unhappy
No? Most visuals indicate they dislike being around youkai, a few visuals indicate they are happy at festivals and ONLY at festivals for the most part.

>Your headcanon, yes.
No, a actual description of the plot of every Touhou manga.

>There are villagers turned hermits in the village
Headcanon.

>Probably less than the average villager
No? Japan has a ton of festivals. Even if we assume every festival shown in every manga happens in a 5 year span it's still way less than festivals in any part of Japan.

>They WOULD probably have to deal with the world turning to shit like in the Hifuu CDs
The world of Hifuu is by every measure better than Gensokyo.

>Reduce in plenty of the same unhappiness Renko and Maribel can feel at times,
Renko and maribel are irresponsible and unlikeable teenagers. renko even admits at multiple times that she knows what she's doing is wrong but still keeps up doing it.

>especially since they're also supernatural humans
So they are just being selfish bitches. Good for them, but I have no sympathy for them nor do I view their X-Men like existence as evidence that the future is bad.

>Also, there's nothing in your headcanon that highlights they would be especially more happy in the outside world
I don't care about especially more happy. I would kill every single Youkai and raze Gensokyo to the ground just to make them a bit more comfortable. My headcanons are infinity worse than the actual facts I keep mentioning.

> kami exist in gensokyo and answer prayers
Kami exist in the outside world as well, dumbass.

>Its shown numerous times that people are helped seemingly by their prayers.
>Seemingly
Yes.

>In your headcanon, as established.
Zun literally describes it as having late Edo living standards. We can measure those compared to most of the world. It's a backwards shithole worse off than 90% of Africa.

>Kosuzu is literally shown reading to kids to help them study
That's not support in case of a crisis, you idiot. Nor is it even a established trend considering it's ONLY Kosuzu that is mentioned doing it.

>Anon, going on like this will change nothing.
Stop spouting retarded shit and actually stick to canon. Until you do that, nothing will change.

>>50131662
>Every other touhou fan
Every other touhou Fan openly fucking hates canon and ignores it proudly. Gensokyo being a shithole is literally the entire point of the story and you missing that is evidence of your media illiteracy.








>There was a huge problem with rice not that long ago
And guess how many people starved? Nobody.
Anonymous No.50131851 >>50131871 >>50131887
>>50131844
What's with the gap big guy?
Did Yukari do something.
Anonymous No.50131868 >>50131891
>>50131715
>I mean Gensokyo isn't capitalist so measuring things like GDP is silly
Even ignoring GDP, in raw production values Gensokyo is a shitty backwater.

>but I just have connections, people who rely on me, and things like that in my life.
Which the human villagers would have in the outside world.

> its not like they hold festivals together,
Where Youkai are disguised.

>Are friends
Oh yeah, let's look at all of the human villagers that have canonically befriended youkai:

Long list.

>Gamble
Humans are disguised.

>Drink
Youkai literally have to show up after dark.

>>50131726
Arguably not actually Youkai, but not going to get into that. Either way, fucking hilarious considering they are literally keeping track on them like the youkai equivalent of the gestapo.

So, the one example of humans caring about Youkai... and it would be 100% times better for everybody involved if they were racist assholes.
Anonymous No.50131871
>>50131851
That's just his asshole.
Anonymous No.50131877
>>50131823
>Exaggerating details that make people feel at unease
And what does she fucking write anon? What part is exaggerated?
Anonymous No.50131887 >>50131957
>>50131851
I have no clue. Don't care, you fuckers deserve it.
Anonymous No.50131891 >>50132004
>>50131868
>Even ignoring GDP, in raw production values Gensokyo is a shitty backwater.
Gensokyo doesn't really have a lot of industry but they do seem to produce a lot of rice, grain, and sugar.
The Kappa also have a salt supplier but that's from the outside world.

>Which the human villagers would have in the outside world.
The human villagers do have that. It's called other human villagers.

>Humans are disguised.
In the youkai equivalent of black face that the youkai have to grit their teeth at and accommodate.
It's pretty funny.
Anonymous No.50131941 >>50132004
>>50131844
>Every other touhou Fan openly fucking hates canon and ignores it proudly
care to explain how is this bad? because for a fandom that supposedly "hates" canon, it sure is extremely dedicated and has produced many high-quality derivative works
Anonymous No.50131957
>>50131887
I deserve to have a big gap in my posts?
Well














That's just rude.
Anonymous No.50131999 >>50132013
>>50131779
"Human friendly" is a pretty broad term but more or less means what youkai the general human populace are willing to mingle with based on past myths and present trends.
Tengu? Very territorial and might kidnap you, not human friendly
Tanuki? Cunning tricksters, not human friendly
Foxes? same as above, not human friendly
Tsukumogami? Ordinary people might be scared if their stuff suddenly started talking behind their back, but some are tolerated and loved, somewhat human friendly.
Then a ton of other smallfry youkai here and there, usually they're the kind kids talk about for a week or two then forget. Most smallfry are scared of the Human Village due to its significance and the consequences of messing with a Human Villager.

All of this changes over time with how the youkai factions try to fuck each other over with slander and rumours. So one faction that may be tolerated one time could very well be casted out on sight another time. Of course, Reimu's job is to make sure they don't do it excessively (to a certain degree of success) and the other religious factions seek to counter-play any youkai psyops with their own.
Whoever rules the Human Village, rules Gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50132004 >>50132018 >>50132025
>>50131891
>Gensokyo doesn't really have a lot of industry but they do seem to produce a lot of rice, grain, and sugar.
They produce a decent amount that probably puts them above a subsidence economy.

>The human villagers do have that. It's called other human villagers.
Which they would have outside of Gensokyo.

>>50131941
>it sure is extremely dedicated and has produced many high-quality derivative works
High quality? Please don't give me that crap. At best it got decent art or gameplay. Story wise it's all fucking trash. Pseudo gacha slop on par with shit that other fandoms use to wipe their ass. Most shitty fanfics I read in the early 2008 were better in actual content.
Anonymous No.50132013 >>50132065
>>50131999
>Tanuki? Cunning tricksters, not human friendly
Aya is that you? Jealous that Mamziou had a human boyfriend?
Anonymous No.50132018 >>50132034
>>50132004
>Which they would have outside of Gensokyo.
Yeah, you can have human connections as long as there are humans. And there are humans inside and outside of Gensokyo so both populations of humans have human connections.
I'm glad we can agree on that.
Anonymous No.50132025 >>50132034
>>50132004
>Pseudo gacha slop
and there's nothing wrong with that
if I wanted to read good stories I'd go to another fandom
Anonymous No.50132034
>>50132018
My point is that if all of Gensokyo was razed, they would still have those connections.

>>50132025
>if I wanted to read good stories I'd go to another fandom
Well, fair enough. Can't disagree with you.
Anonymous No.50132047 >>50132222
>>50131844
>Nope. Looked up correlation between human happiness and living standards.
Same shit, the study you posted goes over a purely subjective standard. I was talking about facts, if you feel good you feel good and that's the end of that. There's no grade, there's just different types of feeling good.
>But if your argument is that people at a festival are happy is evidence that everybody at the human village is happy. can you prove the majority of the population even goes to the festivals?
>a few visuals indicate they are happy at festivals and ONLY at festivals for the most part.
There are way more people that go to festivals on screen that are ever shown on screen being unhappy or even slightly uneased. By this measure the premise it's extremely easy to say you are just blatantly incorrect even by your own standards, but as established previously it doesn't count, because... it just doesn't, ok? Kek, you're a laugh riot.
We're seeing random background humans interacting like always in nearly every other scene and you think there's a huge swathe of them that are unhappy? Even if you counted "shocked reactions to something happening on the street" as "unease" rather than just basic attention to something unusual I guarantee you wouldn't even be able to objectively rate them as 20% unhappy.
We have showcases in the games too where the villagers are pretty fine with weird looking humans. What you just need to get is that Touhou is based on the dichotomy between early youkai, which were more supernatural and horror-derived, and later youkai, which are just funny goofy spirits. Gensokyo as a whole leans way more into the funny goofy spirits thing, because that's how far youkai have developed to the point that they are basically just funny humans.
>No, a actual description of the plot
According to your headcanon.
>Headcanon.
No, there's a pretty clear case of a guy who's by all means a hermit in name appeara and abilities and you'd remember him if you read the manga. Hermits are also referred to in the lore, implying there's more than one of them and they are also allies of humans.
>The world of Hifuu is by every measure better than Gensokyo.
I wouldn't say a world ravaged by global warming, habitat destruction and so on and so forth is in any way superior to Gensokyo.
>renko even admits at multiple times that she knows what she's doing is wrong
Yeah but they're not shown being happy with those things in the supposedly superior world.
>Good for them, but I have no sympathy for them nor do I view their X-Men like existence as evidence that the future is bad.
The story literally spells it out for you, if the story is not evidence then we can only assume that fanfiction is the only evidence you buy.
>Kami exist in the outside world as well, dumbass.
And as shown with Kanako and Suwako, both different kinds of kami, their influence in the outside world wanes and they go to Gensokyo to preserve themselves. The tsunami happened, and no kami saved Japan from it.
>Yes.
So it happened.
>Zun literally describes it as having late Edo living standards
Late Edo is on the cusp of Taisho which was on the cusp of the industrial age, but we're shown that they have electricity, they can shit out icecream, and various other infrastructure projects. They have some modern tech and magic intersecting to create something that you can only vaguely compare to "late edo", by all showings.
>Nor is it even a established trend considering it's ONLY Kosuzu that is mentioned doing it.
Anon just because Kosuzu is the only one shown doing it doesn't mean the others dont, she's a normal villager who happens to like books. Many other humans do it too, and we're offered zero incentive to believe they don't help each other except in of course, your headcanon.
>Stop spouting retarded shit and actually stick to canon. Until you do that, nothing will change.
Nothing will change because you are an obtuse retard from reddit who posts from a phone and values taking the gaps in the lore to push grimderp retardation instead of something that's probably closer to the intent of the writer who literally just pushed out an arc where a grimsokyofag gets blown the fuck out. It's fair to say that the certified retard here was always you, especially since practically nobody agrees with you.
Anonymous No.50132048 >>50132067 >>50132234
It hates canon Touhou.
It hates fan works.
It has literally no reason to post in a Touhou fan community outside of...
Guys, I'm starting to think that this guy might be.... a troll?
Anonymous No.50132065
>>50132013
Well it can change to "Oh Tanuki are good actually they helped that boy from that oppressive master and helped him live a good life without regret of killing him", which is why all the factions desperately try to influence the HV every chance they get
Anonymous No.50132067 >>50132073 >>50132074 >>50132099
>>50132048
>It has literally no reason to post in a Touhou fan community
That's exactly what I don't get, why not just fuck off instead of fruitlessly trying to convert everyone to the grimshit belief?
Anonymous No.50132073
>>50132067
autism
dishwashers
Anonymous No.50132074
>>50132067
jews will forever jew
PoopDickSchizo No.50132077
I am PoopDick, and I trolled everyone! Trolololol!
Anonymous No.50132099
>>50132067
Like most trolls, he's an attention whore that gets it by acting out.
Anonymous No.50132110 >>50132115 >>50132396
Can we just start referring to Grimsokyo as Redditsokyo?
Anonymous No.50132115
>>50132110
always was
Anonymous No.50132171
>>50129187
Redditsokyofags, you're not you when you're hungry...
Eat some ice cream.
Anonymous No.50132222 >>50132241 >>50132372
>>50132047
> I was talking about facts,
Yes. Facts like the connection between happiness and standards of living. here are more, btw:
https://ourworldindata.org/happiness-and-life-satisfaction
https://ipc2021.popconf.org/uploads/210363
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214804324000272

>There are way more people that go to festivals on screen that are ever shown on screen being unhappy or even slightly uneased
No, there fucking aren't. Simply through teh nature of the Touhou manga still being about something you are wrong. If you disagree, post evidence.

>By this measure the premise it's extremely easy to say you are just blatantly incorrect
If you ignore the part where you are totally wrong, sure.

>According to your headcanon.
The youkai manga are about problems caused by Youkai. No youkai, no problem.

> wouldn't say a world ravaged by global warming, habitat destruction and so on and so forth is in any way superior to Gensokyo.
>Ravaged
Lol. It's midly bothered by global warming. Humans are free to find happiness in whatever way they desire, free from the interference of Youkai seeking to keep them down. Plant life bieng gone is a small price to pay in comparison.

>Hermits are also referred to in the lore,
PMISS explicitly says they don't live in the human villager. Nor do the taoists, secondary.

>Yeah but they're not shown being happy with those things in the supposedly superior world.
Because they are bad people, yes.

>The story literally spells it out for you,
That they are bad people.

>And as shown with Kanako and Suwako, both different kinds of kami, their influence in the outside world wanes and they go to Gensokyo to preserve themselves.
And? Many gods are still around. Prayers still work. The fact that the gods are fading shows humans no longer need them. Much like the human villagers would find such gods obsolete if they left Gensokyo.

>So it happened.
Look up what seemingly means.

> but we're shown that they have electricity, they can shit out icecream, and various other infrastructure projects
So, most likely, slightly below modern North Korea.

>They have some modern tech and magic intersecting to create something that you can only vaguely compare to "late edo", by all showings
Only the Tengu and kappa. human villagers mostly get to eat shit being stuck in Gensokyo's version of Gaza.

>it doesn't mean the others dont
Headcanon.

>she's a normal villager who happens to like books.
headcanon.

>Many other humans do it too,
Headcanon.

>instead of something that's probably closer to the intent of the writer who literally just pushed out an arc where a grimsokyofag gets blown the fuck out
He didn't. He just highlighted how Reimu is a spoiled bitch.
Anonymous No.50132234 >>50132291
>>50132048
>It hates canon Touhou.
Stop confusing me with the other guy.

>hate fan work
Mostly, yeah.

>Troll
It's because I do actually care about canon and I'm tired of seeing you pervert it.
Anonymous No.50132241 >>50132264
>>50132222
>Plant life bieng gone is a small price to pay in comparison.
>I'd rather destroy the entire planet that suffer a single youkai
Also the outside world still has human sacrifice to youkai. It's mentioned in dateless bar old adam.
Anonymous No.50132254 >>50132260 >>50132264
bait or genuine retardation, call it
Anonymous No.50132260
>>50132254
Genuine retardation.
Anonymous No.50132264 >>50132267 >>50132282
>>50132241
>I'd rather destroy the entire planet that suffer a single youkai
Destroying the entire planet is not killing all plant life, dumbass.

>Also the outside world still has human sacrifice to youkai.
If you are going to make stuff up could you at least quote the actual lines you are misunderstanding so I can laugh at it?

>>50132254
Neo nazi subhumanness.
Anonymous No.50132267 >>50132289
>>50132264
>Destroying the entire planet is not killing all plant life, dumbass.
Anonymous No.50132282 >>50132298
>>50132264
You and your fellow kikes will burn in hell
Anonymous No.50132289 >>50132301
>>50132267
Yes.

This is blowing up a planet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g77WN6obk4

This is killing all life on a planet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE

See the difference?
Anonymous No.50132291 >>50132685
>>50132234
>Stop confusing me with the other guy.
It's pretty hard to tell you two apart. Maybe you should go back to writting fanfic instead of arguing.
Anonymous No.50132298 >>50132359
>>50132282
Death is a gift to the Nazi. He exists to die and it is only in death that he will find happiness. Grant him the gift.
Anonymous No.50132300
>>50131830
That's more of a tengu and their oppressive caste system and hierarchy thing. Part of it could be argued to be due to them building their entire society around poorly imitating humans, but I'm pretty sure that Aya would still be in a dead-end position even if the tengu were still kidnapping children and eating them regularly.
>>50131839
Nah, Mizuchi was retarded. We didn't even get a real reason why she wanted to prevent the more peaceful Gensokyo from happening, even though as a shrine maiden or assistant, she'd have more than enough to do in just regular shrine business.
Youkai not being able to cope with life in post-barrier Gensokyo because it goes entirely against their nature is a far more interesting concept to explore than some dumb brat who couldn't get a man because of the tobacco stink and threw a hissy fit in response.
Anonymous No.50132301 >>50132718
>>50132289
>I'd rather commit genocide on all plant life then suffer the existence of a single youkai
Based nazi.
Anonymous No.50132359
>>50132298
ts not tuff
Anonymous No.50132372
>>50132222
>Yes. Facts like the connection between happiness and standards of living
Then prove the standard of living is at all marginally worse without relying on headcanon like famine existing when we have zero proof it does, and regardless of the regular low effort spam search for "research" it still doesn't fit "happiness" as I've defined it.
There is contentness, joy, and other emotions often correlated with happiness and you have literally zero way of actually approximating them for your headcanon without basically writing a fanfic.
>No, there fucking aren't.
Yes there is, the amount of people you can count having fun in festivals just using the background would probably be in the hundreds approaching thousand while random slightly inconvenienced people would be approaching maybe a hundred if we're generous, only if you cheat and count every panel of the same dude could you even get close to evening it, but not really.
>If you ignore the part where you are totally wrong, sure.
But enough about yourself.
>The youkai manga are about problems caused by Youkai
Are you putting your text into an AI now to shit out buzzwords? Humans having a mental episode happens anywhere anytime for almost any reason, the case with the guy who needed meds is just a case of that happening in Gensokyo. There's no reason to assume it underlines any special trend, just like with anything else of the few isolated incidents where individual humans said they were slightly miffed (of which there aren't many)
>Humans are free to find happiness in whatever way they desire
Plant life being gone is always a huge issue. Global warming is an existential threat to all life on the planet. Also they locked up Merry in isolation and said she had delirium from a virus after Torifune, when she was more than likely just recounting that she went onto a satellite in space, but that was enough for them to consider her delirious. Doesn't sound like being so free to me if you can only really bring that stuff up in private to people who won't drag you off.
>Because they are bad people, yes.
>That they are bad people.
Nah, I think you're just retarded and angry that the story isn't conforming to what you want it to be.
>The fact that the gods are fading shows humans no longer need them
Many gods are around but not powerful enough to act, especially not against a tsunami. I wonder if the ability to use the earth would've been useful to stop a big ass earthquake, probably.
>Look up what seemingly means.
They prayed, they got what they wanted. Seemingly, apparently, most likely: Not leaning in your direction. That should be simple to understand.
>So, most likely, slightly below modern North Korea.
The meme again? You can literally only rely on headcanon to push this. There's no example of the level of repression in NK or the literal famine they had in Gensokyo, that is still your headcanon and it will always be because the story never supported it.
>human villagers mostly get to eat shit being stuck in Gensokyo's version of Gaza.
Humans are shown having learnt magic while living within the village, they all descend from youkai exterminators and the one case with Marisa requires headcanon to turn it into abuse instead of concern over a girl being obsessed with trying everything to become, among other things, immortal.
>Headcanon.
Glad you admit it is your headcanon that they do.
>Headcanon.
We're shown nothing to indicate that Kosuzu had a special upbringing beyond having a family that has access to books. She is by all means a rather normal village girl who has books. Quacks like a duck, etc.
>Headcanon.
Why would they not? People have historically taught eachother nearly everything. Even if we go with the harebrained assumption that Gensokyo is subhumanly bad, they'd literally have to stop acting like humans to not teach other anything. It sounds more like you desperately want your fanfiction to be true (again)
>He just highlighted how Reimu is a spoiled bitch.
If you don't have basic reading comprehension where Mizuchi didn't get epically owned over being an asshole who attacked humans over her own prejudice regarding youkai which is still funny because it so closely mirrors how dumb you are.
Anonymous No.50132396
>>50132110
No because Reddit would be obsessed with Konohanasakuyahime = Sakuya, not this
Anonymous No.50132405 >>50132418 >>50132420
>MUH GENSOKYO GDP
What are we even doing?
Anonymous No.50132418
>>50132405
We are making fun of a redditor, be patient
Anonymous No.50132420
>>50132405
You don't understand they render human corpses for sugar and salts. That's where they get it all from.
Anonymous No.50132446 >>50132453
>Hates trees and grass.
>Hates his mother and would trade her for a dishwasher.
Why are anti-youkai bitches likt his
Anonymous No.50132453 >>50132723
>>50132446
I mean if you pay attention to what they say they're just rabidly anti-people and they just want to invent excuses to act so whilst appearing morally defensible.
Anonymous No.50132456 >>50132465
This is sign that we need new CDS chapter ASAP, he is hitting his limits
Anonymous No.50132465 >>50132518
>>50132456
please wait warmly, MiMi-chan is busy for another month
Anonymous No.50132502 >>50132714
Why wait for another post? It'll just be another Redditsokyo cope meltdown, everyone here knows he's wrong so I suggest we just edit CDS panels to make fun of redditsokyo, this one seems like a great candidate >>50129187
Anonymous No.50132518
>>50132465
Yeah I'm fucking her silly right now
Anonymous No.50132662
It's been a while since I enjoyed a good thread in this forsaken board....
Anonymous No.50132685 >>50132693 >>50132695
>>50132291
How about you stop being stupid instead?
Anonymous No.50132693 >>50132723
>>50132685
You first.
Anonymous No.50132695 >>50132723 >>50132753
>>50132685
Takes one to know one.
Anonymous No.50132714 >>50132719 >>50132720
>>50132502
Anonymous No.50132718 >>50132725 >>50132777
>>50132301
Nazis are Youkai

>hen prove the standard of living is at all marginally worse without relying on headcanon
Zun said living standards are about late Edo level in print works. Those standards are worse than most of the planet.

>and you have literally zero way of actually approximating them for your headcanon without basically writing a fanfic.
A world in which people are free to find their own happiness without youkai getting in the way is by default a happier world.

>would probably be in the hundreds approaching
It's not even a hundred. Meanwhile the amount of humans who are shown being annoyed by youkai existing is far, FAR higher.

>here's no reason to assume it underlines any special trend, just like with anything else of the few isolated incidents where individual humans said they were slightly miffed (of which there aren't many)
Even those few humans is enough to condone all Youkai to extinction.

>Are you putting your text into an AI now to shit out buzzwords?
No, I'm literally repeating what you said. The manga constantly show Youkai causing problems. it highlights how they deserve to die.

>Global warming is an existential threat to all life on the planet.
It isn't in teh future of Hifuu. So who cares if a few plants re dead?

>Also they locked up Merry in isolation and said she had delirium from a virus after Torifune,
Oh god, the horror. Imagine locking somebody up against their will for no reason.

>Doesn't sound like being so free to me if you can only really bring that stuff up in private to people who won't drag you off.
Sounds like a worse version of gensokyo, where you can't even do that in private without having the Youkai SS drag you off.

>Nah, I think you're just retarded and angry that the story isn't conforming to what you want it to be.
They are bad people. Even assuming maribel doesn't literally become a mass murdering rapist dictator she is still a dumb college student uncaring about the consequences of her actions and Renko somebody who enables her.

>Many gods are around but not powerful enough to act,
They were never actually powerful enough to stop tsunami's otherwise they wouldn't have happened in japanese history, moron.

>They prayed, they got what they wanted.
So do people in the outside world. often without any actual gods being involved.

>You can literally only rely on headcanon to push this.
North Korea has better living standards than late Edo Japan.

>Humans are shown having learnt magic while living within the village, t
No, they aren't.

>We're shown nothing to indicate that Kosuzu had a special upbringing
Her parents own a store. She is at best upper middle class.

>Why would they not?
Because why social mobility doesn't benefit the rich merchant class looking for cheap labor to beat half to death.

>they'd literally have to stop acting like humans to not teach other anything
Which is why all societies had a 100% literacy rate.

>If you don't have basic reading comprehension where Mizuchi didn't get epically owned over being an asshole
She got owned mostly because she remembered her past relationship with teh hakurei maiden. Reimu was mostly just being a dumb spoiled bitch and the story treated her accordingly.
Anonymous No.50132719 >>50132720 >>50132723 >>50132728 >>50134590 >>50134899
>>50132714
oops
Anonymous No.50132720 >>50132724 >>50132727
>>50132714
>>50132719
Amazing
What fond is this btw?
Anonymous No.50132723 >>50132729 >>50132777
>>50132453
Being anti youkai is being pro people.

>>50132693
I am. Mostly cause I actually read canon works.

>>50132695
No, you can know one by being smart as well. Though I doubt you know that experience.

>>50132719
>It's not girmdark because ice cream exists.
I can literally make this same argument for 40K, 1984, Brave New World, etc. It's a nonsense argument that doesn't change the fact that all humans would be objectivily better off in the outside world.
Anonymous No.50132724
>>50132720
wild words
Anonymous No.50132725 >>50132727
>>50132718
can you format your post readably you redditspacing retard
Anonymous No.50132727 >>50132730 >>50132734
>>50132720
*Font
Subhuman can't spell, it seems.

>>50132725
Only if you state a single fact containing canon information.

Do it.
Anonymous No.50132728
>>50132719
Appreciate the effort, saved.
Anonymous No.50132729 >>50132733
>>50132723
>I am.
Yes, you are indeed stupid, glad we agree on something.
Anonymous No.50132730 >>50132758
>>50132727
Only if you stop spouting head canon.
Anonymous No.50132733 >>50132745 >>50132753 >>50132765
>>50132729
You are a disgusting secondary that has never read a single Touhou manga or played a single game in your life. The cancer that is killing touhou.
Anonymous No.50132734 >>50132763 >>50132766
>>50132727
what are you talking about secondary
nobody gives a fuck how much garbage youve lazily read through
Anonymous No.50132745
>>50132733
Touhou is already dead
Anonymous No.50132753 >>50132763
>>50132733
>>50132695
Anonymous No.50132755 >>50132763
fucking retard who doesnt have anything past a normal clear is spamming textwalls in the thread because he feels good about consuming droves of side content nobody cares you are worthless
Anonymous No.50132758 >>50132778 >>50132895
>>50132730
I I have never stated a single headcanon in this entire thread. Meanwhile, every single argument you posted is nonsense headcanons.

>Kosuzu helping people is normal
headcanon.
>Human villagers are happy on average
Headcanon
>Most of the human village goes to festivals
Headcanon.
>Yukari was lying about killing people
headcanon
>Aya was lying about people being killed
Headcanon.
>Gods can stop tsunami's
Headcanon.
>Gods can stop Earthquakes
Headcanon.
>Prayers can make you rich
Headcanon.
>Human villagers would be unhappy in the outside world
Headcanon
>Human villagers only have a surface level intrest in the outside world
headcanon.
>Hakurei barrier doesn't exist
Headcanon.
>Youkai and humans are friends
Headcanon.
>Ice cream is cheap and affordable
Headcanon.
>Gensokyo has zero food issues
Headcanon.
>Byakuren and Kanako did not view the human villagers as livestock.
Headcanon.
Anonymous No.50132763 >>50132768
>>50132753
Nah, I've played the games.

>>50132734
>Nobody cares about actually knowing canon
This is why this fancer is cancer.

>>50132755
Cleared several extra bosses.
Anonymous No.50132765 >>50132774
>>50132733
Post your 1ccs, preferably above Normal
Anonymous No.50132766
>>50132734
Cute Mystia fanart with nails that's rare.
Anonymous No.50132768 >>50132774
>>50132763
>Cleared several extra bosses
AHAHAHAHAHA
HE THINKS THAT MEANS ANYTHING
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous No.50132774 >>50132781 >>50132787
>>50132768
It's more than you, secondary.

>>50132765
I mostly cleared normal and a few extra stages. But it's more than you so it should be sufficient.
Anonymous No.50132777 >>50132820
>>50132718
>>50132723
You are coping again by inventing youkai SS that don't exist anywhere within the setting and pretending the standards of living are edo-period when they clearly aren't by simple visuals told to us. People in NK die of famine but they don't in Gensokyo. Humans objectively can learn magic in the village and we see them having done this, like Fortune Teller for example, they are youkai exterminators so it also makes sense they able to pull that off.
The world of Hifuu fucking sucks and you have to be literally retarded not to think that.
Maribel and Renko do nothing especially bad in their stories aside from Renko kicking a jizo.
You claim they didn't stop tsunamis when it's pretty clear that they could've stopped them without us knowing simply by preventing them from occurring in the first place.
People in the outside world don't produce the supernatural because they don't believe in it enough, if they did then Gensokyo wouldn't exist as it does and be attractive to gods.
North Korea has famine and death and all the wealth goes to one guy at the top, which is pretty different from Gensokyo where death is not even commonly depicted within literally over a decade of lore dumps.
You don't know how Gensokyo's class system works, how people are distributed across it or even how they largely interact or what they have access to beyond very tiny tidbits.
We have nothing to clue us in on exactly how literate everyone in the village is, nor did my post specifically refer to literacy, it referred to being taught. Evidently people from the middle class (in your standard) are able to work charitably with the low class.
>she got owned because [...] Reimu was mostly just [headcanon]
Anon, ZUN wrote a whole climax where Mizuchi acted like a conniving bitch against literally everyone, including the humans involved's, interests. Reimu pursuing a peaceful solution in the stead of going full grimsokyo and pretending youkai are inherently murderous like in ye olde folktales (refer to the dichotomy) clue into this well thematically, which is why it's probably true. Way more true than it being a secret, long-form way of telling you Reimu is spoiled. But the idea of that doesn't make you very happy because that means you'd have sunk your time into a bunch of nonsense.
Anonymous No.50132778 >>50132796 >>50132826
>>50132758
Of course, gods and Youkai don't have any actual power and it's all smoke and mirrors.
Anonymous No.50132781 >>50132787 >>50132826
>>50132774
nah im LNB level which isnt even impressive but its probably incomprehensible to your monkey brain
stop speaking secondary
Anonymous No.50132787 >>50132823
>>50132774
>>50132781
Nice, a tard fight.
Anonymous No.50132796
>>50132778
>gods and Youkai don't have any actual power and it's all smoke and mirrors.
that's my unironic headcanon tho, everyone in gensokyo is just humans playing pretend
the games and manga events are them just acting out their roles
and after it ends they all have a drink together and go home
Anonymous No.50132820 >>50132895 >>50133004
>>50132777
>that don't exist anywhere
Fuck off. Already disproved that here: >>50131461


>pretending the standards of living are edo-period
Late Edo and that is LITERALLY how ZUN described it. Not me, ZUN.

>People in NK die of famine
They mostly don't anymore. Last great famine was over twenty yourself. Meanwhile, do you have any evidence that nobody in gensokyo dies of starvation? Not mere assumptions along the lines of "Well, they THEORETICALLY should have enough food".

>like Fortune Teller
The guy who got kicked out of human society because he learned magic? Not huge magic, just minor divination.

> they are youkai exterminators
They AREN'T youkai exterminators. They are related from Youkai exterminators. Most of which aren't magical.

>The world of Hifuu fucking sucks
How is it worse than Gensokyo? Fuck plants, I'll take video games and modern food over shitting in a outhouse but I have flowers. The one crime you mention is done worse in gensokyo. It's also done in an actual democratic society where people collectively voted on this. There is zero implication that it's dictatorship, like Gensokyo. Why do you hate freedom?

>People in the outside world don't produce the supernatural because they don't believe in it enough
Which is overwelmingly shown as a good thing. The existence of the supernatural is nothing but harmful.

>North Korea has famine and death and all the wealth goes to one guy at the top,
It goes to a small group of elite people at the top who threat the rest like livestock. Sounds like Gensokyo, just replace "Communist party" with "Youkai". And at least nowadays it has significantly less death. you can actually go to north Korea without incident. A tourist trip to Gensokyo will see you condemened to a painful and slow death followed by a shallow grave.

>You don't know how Gensokyo's class system works,
Humans are livestock. youkai are acutal people. Outside of that it's been shown rich people can literally have children as labor and are free to physically abuse them. That is evil. Why are you pro child labor and child abuse?

>We have nothing to clue us in on exactly how literate everyone in the village is
We know there are enough illiterate people for Kosuzu to have to teach them. You know what the literacy rate is in modern japan? 99% of the total population

>Anon, ZUN wrote a whole climax where Mizuchi acted like a conniving bitch against literally everyone
She was genuinly portrayed as sympathetic and was mostly in the right. Meanwhile, Reimu's solution was peaceful but her actual argument even in universe was completly trash.

> pretending youkai are inherently murderous li
her argument isn't even that Youkai aren't inherently murderous. Her argument is "Humans will do fine because Youkai can't just kill them all." Which is a hillarious example of her being spoiled because when she says that she's actually just talking about herself.

> Way more true than it being a secret, long-form way of telling you Reimu is spoiled.
Reimu has always been portrayed as spoiled and priviliged. If you weren't so high on shitty "Reimu is poor" memes you would understand that.
Anonymous No.50132823
>>50132787
not a tard fight cause he'll never respond to me cause he's a pussy retard faggot secondary and he knows it lol
Anonymous No.50132826 >>50132830
>>50132778
>Youkai and gods have powers to stop tsunami's and earthquakes
>Which is why Japan in the past suffered zero earthquakes and Tsunami's.

Hmmmm....

>>50132781
>nah im LNB level
doubt that considering you are a obvious secondary.
Anonymous No.50132830 >>50132840
>>50132826
https://voca.ro/1dhTeZenKrNj
Anonymous No.50132835 >>50132840
ITS NAWT TRUEEEEEEEEEEE IM NOT A SECONDARY LOOK AT MY EXTRA CLEARS (literal garbage)
phahaha
some of you retards i swear
Anonymous No.50132840 >>50132847 >>50132851 >>50132863
>>50132830
God, you sound like a guy I used to play world of Warcraft classic with.

>>50132835
Less of a secondary than you considering I actually seem to understand canon.
Anonymous No.50132847 >>50132862
>>50132840
https://voca.ro/11Wvzp3ajL37
Anonymous No.50132851 >>50132854
>>50132840
You should stop responding to this retard he is a /v/hu schizo stirring shit up.
Anonymous No.50132854
>>50132851
no two people are actually trying to talk to each other
sorry you dont like me retard but you dont need to go around sperging out
Anonymous No.50132862 >>50132867
>>50132847
I understand the source material better than you because if you play the game and don't accept Grimsokyo as canon you are obviously lying.

Nah, but seriously did you actually play World of Warcraft?
Anonymous No.50132863 >>50132871
>>50132840
https://voca.ro/121hLV9EZdPx
Anonymous No.50132867 >>50132871
>>50132862
https://voca.ro/1ofKkr1guCpk
Anonymous No.50132871 >>50132874
>>50132863
Did you play World of Warcraft?

>>50132867
Grimsokyo is canon because if you played the games you will realize they are canon.
Anonymous No.50132874 >>50132879
>>50132871
if you are actually just mentally ill and not doing this on purpose you are ok and im sorry
if youre doubling down and trying to be funny cause u have nothing to say please kill yourself
Anonymous No.50132879
>>50132874
I got nothing to say because you are a secondary and have shown as such in your weird attempt at actually talking.

Also you do genuinly sound like a wow player.
Anonymous No.50132881
ok i was bullying a literal retard i feel bad now thanks guy
Anonymous No.50132883 >>50132889
/v/hu won
Redditsokyo lost
Anonymous No.50132889 >>50132923
>>50132883
Back to your mental ward with you.
Anonymous No.50132895 >>50133001 >>50133024
>>50132758
>Kosuzu helping people is normal
Don't see any reason to assume it isn't normal if helping each other is normal in smaller communities in real life.
It's also mentioned that literally "Society cannot function with all humans possessing the same social standing and rank." in reference to the human village, so in the present, they function with less hierarchy than you imagine.
>Human villagers are happy on average
You have an easy avenue of proving this wrong, tag every human that shows up in games, manga and so on and check how many are happy, indifferent or genuinely unhappy and you'd find that most are probably in the former two. Making the case for them being unhappy universally will always be harder objectively, but you can prove it, even though you won't.
>ummm the humans don't go to their festivals
The only instance of them rejecting festivals we're ever clued into is when they occur at Reimu's shrine or when the weather sucks really badly
>Yukari was lying about killing people
We're never clued into her killing anybody.
>Aya was lying
Absolutely canon about a huge chunk of her escapades.
>Gods can stop
Yeah they can
>Prayers can make you
Most of anything, yes, they can even give you fortune or give you shit fortune, which literally happens
>Human villagers would be unhappy in the outside world
The idea of taking them into the outside world would have to come with a convincing argument that they would be happier in the outside world which you can't define because you can't define the living standards using what's on screen nor can you define what happiness actually entails or if gensokyo has it and whenever you do it's based on a bunch of creative interpretation (i.e. headcanon) like anything else
>surface level interest
The ones that have a deeper interest have been shown so exceedingly few times that there's no reason to believe they are a significant majority or anything but outliers.
>Hakurei barrier doesn't exist
Must be delusional if you bring this up just so you can stay mad that there's no actual canon answer to them being able to leave or not wanting to leave or not.
>youkai and humans are friends
The folklore says they are, there are half-youkai, there are humans going deep into youkai territory just to engage in fun games. And objectively speaking even 'suzu is friends with multiple youkai.
>ice cream is cheap and affordable
We're never given any pricing or such, but shitting out an icecream casually is pretty impressive considering they're under some sort of fanfic famine
>Gensokyo has zero food issues
Post them having any food issues.
>Byakuren and Kanako did not view the human villagers as livestock
Yeah they didn't, they viewed them metaphorically as being part of a zoo, but the real fact of the matter as told throughout other stories is the simple reality that Gensokyo acts in symbiosis between humans and youkai and we're shown the multiple ways that they get their own pros out of it, which are pros you don't believe because your view of the setting is predicated on a few cases where they look cynically at what's going on rather than the actual ground-level experience. Just like how sometimes in a country, people are reduced to statistics by callous governments who aren't careful- the difference being that they are pretty damn careful in Gensokyo. Someone like Marisa makes this pretty clear in that conversation herself.
>>50132820
>d-disproved!
She never mentions killing them, so you are relying on headcanon. I recall this exact diatribe last time 5 months ago where you kept insisting that Yukari meant she's killing people instead of y-know, as told through the other print works, maybe having people talk to them to get them on the side of balance.
>Late Edo
>That's how ZUN described it!
You're too focused on it being written. The difference between that and the other stuff I brought forth was that ZUN wrote the other print works, decided he wanted to include running water, electric lights, ice cream or at least approve of it being there. So by admission, ZUN has changed his mind and it only appears Edo period in spirit, insofar that it looks old-times and countryside. That's literally what you see in the print works.
>Meanwhile, do you have any evidence that nobody in gensokyo dies of starvation?
You keep claiming you have evidence of this happening in the first place but you keep asking me for proof to prove you wrong. It seems you answer yourself: There's no famine in Gensokyo. There at least has been famine in NK, if we're to believe them that they hadn't had any since.
They have enough food until you see the print works complain that they don't.
>The guy who got kicked out of human society because he learned magic?
Society? He got kicked out of the school of the master diviner for using magic in his techniques. There's nothing to say that magic gets you kicked out of the village wholesale in the exchange.
Anonymous No.50132923
>>50132889
keep seething, loser
Anonymous No.50132968 >>50132973
>still no 1ccs posted
Anonymous No.50132973 >>50132995
>>50132968
It's the whale tits thread not the gameplay one.
Anonymous No.50132995 >>50133191
>>50132973
Well post some whale fucking tits then.
Anonymous No.50133001 >>50133004
>>50132895
>Don't see any reason to assume it isn't normal if helping each other is normal in smaller communities in real life.
It's the size of a small city.

>so in the present, they function with less hierarchy than you imagine.
It literally implies the exact opposite. Since the human village IS a society that functions.

> tag every human that shows up in games, manga and so on and check how many are happy, indifferent or genuinely unhappy and you'd find that most are probably in the former two.
I could and I don't think you are going to like the owner. But since this entire argument is fucking retarded in the first place, no. You feel free to do it though.

>The only instance of them rejecting festivals we're ever clued into is when they occur at Reimu's shrine or when the weather sucks really badly
Them? Again, the human village is MASSIVE.

There is literally no way all of the human villagers go to Reimu's festivals, for instance.

>We're never clued into her killing anybody.
Outside of her literally being called "The one behind the spiriting away". Openly talking about using people as food. Bragging to Sakuya about keeping people in her home. Her indicating she kills people that get in the way of her plans for the human village. Akyuu comment about her attacking people in the outside world. Her threatening to kill tenshi.

Man, this Hannibal fellow doesn't seem all that murderous if you ignore every single line about him killing people or wanting to kill people.

>Yeah they can
Then they didn't in the past because?

>Absolutely canon about a huge chunk of her escapades.
Then post proof.

>Most of anything, yes, they can even give you fortune or give you shit fortune, which literally happens
So you are jsut likely to be screwed over if you pray to the gods?

>t that they would be happier in the outside world
They like the outside world. They clearly don't like gensokyo. They would be wealthier in the outside world. They would have more social mobility in the outside world. Children would stop being abused. Humans would stop suffering at the hands of youkai.

What do you have? Seriously, name one argument.

>The ones that have a deeper interest have been shown so exceedingly few times
"Average" intrest is literally copying every aspect of the outside world they can get their hands on, to the point of literally causing Youkai to go extinct and treating all outsiders as beloved celebrities. They are to the outside world what Touhou fans are to Gensokyo.

>Must be delusional if you bring this up just so you can stay mad that there's no actual canon answer to them being able to leave or not wanting to leave or not.
The answer is that they can't leave. Anything else is a insane assumption with zero evidence supporting it.

>The folklore says they are,
The folklore also claims Suika and Nue should be dead.

> but shitting out an icecream casually is pretty impressive considering they're under some sort of fanfic famine
No? Why would it be?

>Post them having any food issues.
Post evidence they have total food security. PCB implies that humans will starve if the harvest fails.

>as told throughout other stories is the simple reality that Gensokyo acts in symbiosis between humans and youka
There is zero indication that's the case. Youkai are not symbiotic. If every youkai died, the human villagers would at worst do better than they are now. If all humans died, Youkai would go extinct. that is not symbiosis, it's parasitism. Literally by the dictionary definition of both words.

>and we're shown the multiple ways that they get their own pros out of it,
There are no pros unless you are a spoiled bitch like Reimu who would murder her best friend for thirty silver coins or a rich merchant that likes being able to abuse children.

>She never mentions killing them,
Does it matter? Maybe she tortures them, maybe she breaks their legs, maybe she just sends them a firm warning. The point is she seeks to deny people their happiness and prevents them from seeking their own happiness and freedom. That is evil. It is something worse than modern Japan. It is something worse than the future.

>You're too focused on it being written.
I am literally just repeating his own opinion of it. Edo Japan had a fairly advanced trade network, the human village does not. The few advancements they have are most likely canceled out by the problems.

>decided he wanted to include running water, electric lights, ice cream or at least approve of it being there.
They had running water and ice cream in late Edo japan.

>You keep claiming you have evidence of this happening in the first place
I don't. My argument is that your assumption of them having perfect food security is nonsense. Even if we assume it's better, and it might be, that does not mean there is no starvation or people being underfed.

>There's no famine in Gensokyo.
Source?
Anonymous No.50133004 >>50133109 >>50133117
>>50132820
And I guess correct, they are descended from youkai exterminators. But plenty of them have shown weird abilities and propensity for magic which is pretty consistent.
>Why do you hate freedom?
I'm more curious why you love murder so much, we're told that more or less the youkai are basically just sapient, kind of weird humans nowadays but they aren't afforded the right to live or exist even if they by all intents provide what is essentially a stable society that has no (non-headcanon) famine or such going on. The vast majority of the horrifying youkai are gone to history as per the print works and the overfocus on that past shows you aren't really paying attention. I don't hate freedom, you are unchallenged in Gensokyo as long as you're human after all.
>Which is overwelmingly shown as a good thing. The existence of the supernatural is nothing but harmful.
Except in the case where it stops people from being killed by storms or floods which we know they protect the village from and which would also save many people in real life if it were there.
>It goes to a small group of elite people at the top who threat the rest like livestock. Sounds like Gensokyo
There's very little reason to assume there's a significant living standard difference between humans. They have electricity, there's running water in the manga, they can somehow produce ice cream which means they can cool things to ice cold temperatures readily, they can produce many many glowsticks which they use in the 15.5 concert background, and so on. For any advanced gadgets, we know they drop into Gensokyo and get passed around with time. And it'd be headcanon to say that youkai reserve everything for themselves, we have little that tells us that, maybe it's just that a lot of modern leisure tech isn't appealing to most old timey humans who are more used to playing real games between people rather than Rinnosuke's gameboy.
>Humans are livestock
They are never referred to as livestock, at most in an allegory to a zoo, but the print works are pretty clear that they have an untouchable status and that violating it results in death which we have seen. They can go into gambling dens and gamble against youkai with zero consequences, so much for livestock if they can just take youkai money in bets.
>Outside of that it's been shown rich people can literally have children as labor and are free to physically abuse them.
Was this because Akyuu had someone's daughter help her around the mansion? That's what I vaguely recall, but no, I don't support those things. It's probably what I would correct if I would go to Gensokyo, but there's a whole world of difference between that and helping around the house.
>We know there are enough illiterate people for Kosuzu to have to teach them.
Gee anon, someone has to teach someone. I'm glad you came to that stunning revelation.
>She was genuinly portrayed as sympathetic and was mostly in the right. Meanwhile, Reimu's solution was peaceful but her actual argument even in universe was completly trash.
She was consistently portrayed as very twisted and angry up until she fought Reimu at the climax and the story said "but, there is a balance, also Mizuchi is a conniving bitch who assaults humans to act out her old prejudices" which would essentially be an easy tell that'd make it clear that the story didn't think she was right. I'm sorry you can't read between the lines but that should've been clear when you hit the panel that said humans are untouchable.
>Which is a hillarious example of her being spoiled because when she says that she's actually just talking about herself.
Nah, she's saying it because youkai are different, in need of humans who live, and because the rules are extremely strict to the point where it'd mean death for anyone to violate it, which it has. (and no, yukari saying that she wants to prevent people from bunching up and acting all anti-social does not immediately equal her killing anybody, in the same conversation she literally rejects that angle)
>Reimu has always been portrayed as spoiled and priviledged
...Except when she's defending Gensokyo which is where according to ZUN, her actual personality comes out. Reimu's regular personality hovers between an aggressive gag and a lazy gag.
>>50133001
>Source?
Provide on yourself you lazy bitch, you've been high on your headcanon for years. Time to actually dump some proof into it. I'm not replying to the rest of your word soup because nobody will take it seriously anyway.
Anonymous No.50133024 >>50133044
>>50132895
>>There at least has been famine in NK
Can you proof there was no famine in gensokyo in the past?

Like, you know how easy I am being with you on this front? I could easily point out that before Eirin was introduced the child mortality rates of the human village compared to modern japan would be about 40% of all children in gensokyo dying. That's not even including death by childbirth, diseases the outside world cured, lack of medical equipment, etc. Literally all I ask of you now is simply for you to state there is no famine in Gensokyo NOW . Not assumptions, not "Well they might". A character, or even ZUN himself, literally saying "No famines nowadays".

>He got kicked out of the school of the master diviner for using magic in his techniques.
The implication being that learning magic is illegal.

>There's nothing to say that magic gets you kicked out of the village wholesale in the exchange.
Minus the part where he literally did get kicked out of the village altogether.
Anonymous No.50133044 >>50133143
>>50133024
>Like, you know how easy I am being with you on this front?
Mate you are begging me to prove your headcanon right. We have no proof of anything in regard to the food status of Gensokyo beyond it not being treated as an issue for over a decade of manga and printworks. If you have such an issue with me providing proof, I ask you again one final time to find literally 1 panel in any manga that mentions famine.
This should be easy to do since you're very confident that it is canon, prove it. You've clearly got a good general overview on the lore, so it should be easy, right?
>Learning magic is illegal
He was kicked out... by his master, meaning he was probably not allowed under that school to do magic and divination simultaneously.
There's zero telling us that he was kicked out of the village or society at large, and his reason for suicide was his larger plan which violated Gensokyo's actual golden rule.
>Minus the part where he literally did get kicked out of the village altogether.
Point to literally any blurb in the text that mentions him getting kicked out of the VILLAGE specifically. It doesn't exist, just like the rest of your mentally ill headcanon.
Anonymous No.50133084 >>50133128
What did I miss?
Anonymous No.50133109 >>50133122
>>50133004
>But plenty of them have shown weird abilities and propensity for magic which is pretty consistent.
One of them has a ability and zero of them have shown a prospenity ot learning magic. Sumireko is stronger than any villager.

>I'm more curious why you love murder so much,
Because Youkai deserve to face justice.

>we're told that more or less the youkai are basically just sapient, kind of weird humans nowadays
No, anon, we aren't. We are told they are cruel sociopaths who enjoy tormenting people for kicks and have no sense of right or wrong. They are consistently shown being cruel, manipulative, murderous, violent, unpleasant, hypocritical, sadistic, and prone to doing crime and causing trouble.

The only thing that is stated is that they can choose to be different. They do not, most of them are still just as evil as they were when Shuten Doujin was rampaging around Japan.

>Except in the case where it stops people from being killed by storms or floods
Storms or floods that are only a issue BECAUSE Gensokyo exists as it does. Morality rates for even large scale flooding incidents in modern Japan are non existent. The worst incident of flooding in the last 40 years of Japanese history saw a shocking 250 people die in the entire country. Which is per capita less than every single human villager we've seen die in Touhou manga. Yes, all two of them.

>There's very little reason to assume there's a significant living standard difference between humans.
We literally see them have servants and huge mansions. Do normal people all have huge mansions and servants? No, of course not. We also know illiteracy is enough of a problem for Kosuzu to do something about it. Meanwhile, illiteracy in modern Japan is literally non existent.

>hey are never referred to as livestock, at most in an allegory to a zoo
They are refereed to as livestock, but their direct situation is compared to animals in a zoo. Which isn't even accurate.

>They have electricity
Who is "They"? All human villagers?

>they can somehow produce ice cream which
They can store it in a ice house, which is a idea older than time. Ice cream itself has been around since 2000 BC and was made in countries like Persia. Congratulations, Gensokyo.

>maybe it's just that a lot of modern leisure tech isn't appealing to most old timey humans who are more used to playing real games between people rather than Rinnosuke's gameboy.
No? All human villagers are shown being interested in the outside world. Minor hobbies explode into huge phenomenon. Small facts wipe away centuries of tradition and folklore. Nobody cares about Youkai. Nobody cares about traditions. Nobody cares about religion.

>Was this because Akyuu had someone's daughter help her around the mansion?
No, it's because a servant boy is mentioned as being abused by his master in one of the spin off manga after he saw a body and tried to tell him about it. You would know this if you weren't a secondary.

>Gee anon, someone has to teach someone.
Kosuzu is like, what, fourteen? Compared to modern japan, where professional teachers maintain a shocking level of literacy, that's a huge step down.

>She was consistently portrayed as very twisted and angry up
She was consistnetly shown as having a point to the point of convncing other characters that she was right.

>also Mizuchi is a conniving bitch who assaults humans to act out her old prejudices"
She shows more care about the fate of hte human villagers than Reimu does in every manga she appeared in. She was prone to vengeance (A evil spirit being prone to vengeance? You don't say). But her targets all consistently either deserve it or can't be harmed anyway. Her only mistake was not killing them.

>Nah, she's saying it because youkai are different,
She's saying it because she herself is different form the human villagers and can't relate to them. She doesn't know what it's like to actually work for something instead of being handed everything in her life. Of being important enough that youkai can't just kill you for being troublesome.

>...Except when she's defending Gensokyo
The fact she defends Gensokyo, period, is evidence that she is spoiled. The place doesn't deserve defending. The barrier being destroyed would be the single greatest day in the life of every human villager.

>Provide on yourself
I have, consistently. Now, it's your turn.
Anonymous No.50133117
>>50133004
>in the same conversation she literally rejects that angle
Admittedly I am mixing things up, however, Yukari's first solution to problems is definitely not to just kill people.
Anonymous No.50133122 >>50133146
>>50133109
>[Incomprihensible babble and no proof]
You were challenged to post literally 1 panel of there being famine in gensokyo and you failed, you lose again and probably forever. Enjoy selling your mom for a dishwasher anon
Anonymous No.50133128 >>50133176
>>50133084
Nothing much, but you can probably make a song out of the redditsokyo melty.
Anonymous No.50133143 >>50133146 >>50133180 >>50133221
>>50133044
>Mate you are begging me to prove your headcanon right.
No? I don't even believe gensokyo has massive food security issues. I want you to find evidence that it does not because I know you will fail.

>We have no proof of anything in regard to the food status of Gensokyo beyond it not being treated as an issue for over a decade of manga and printworks.
So it's perfectly plausible for people to starve? The best argument you have is that it's not enough of a issue to be noticeable. Which was also the norm for starvation for most of human history.

Again, I don't even believe the human village has food issues. I just find it funny how comfortable you are to say they do not when your evidence is "We don't know either way". Then say that, say "We don't know either way". Say "They might starve, they might not".

>He was kicked out... by his master, meaning he was probably not allowed under that school to do magic and divination simultaneously.
>Probably
So your own example of a human magician is somebody who suffered because they learned magic and you don't even know for sure what the reason was?

>Point to literally any blurb in the text that mentions him getting kicked out of the VILLAGE specifically.
He moved outside the human village before killing himself.
Anonymous No.50133146 >>50133161 >>50133174
>>50133122
see: >>50133143

I challenged YOU to find evidence that Gensokyo doesn't have food issues and you found nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Anonymous No.50133157 >>50133231 >>50133233 >>50133796 >>50134665
>>50130144
>>50130352
Fuck I got busy, I had some free time to draw this now.
Anonymous No.50133161 >>50133187
>>50133146
Post anything from post-PC98 touhou even having a single text blurb saying Gensokyo has trouble feeding itself.
Anonymous No.50133174 >>50133187 >>50133796
>>50133146
That's not how burden of proof works.
Anonymous No.50133176 >>50133228
>>50133128
Nah, brother. I aren't reading that wall of botched promos to make a half-assed song. All I want is like all the niggas here; CDS back.
Anonymous No.50133180 >>50133187
>>50133143
>Which was also the norm for starvation for most of human history
If most of the human village was starving at any point past the early 1900s we'd probably be privy to know of a mass death, but we aren't. So unless famine can be proven, the only reason to consider it is just to make headcanon work. In the real Gensokyo, which is in working order, they are probably not starving. It's simple.
Anonymous No.50133187 >>50133205 >>50133230
>>50133161
Post evidence that it does not.

>>50133174
YOU claimed they had a abundance of food so great nobody starved.

>>50133180
>we'd probably be privy to know of a mass death,
Why? Like I said, they almost certainly had mass infant mortality until about 5 years ago. Why would the human villagers bring up the mass starvations they had in the past? Do you think it's something they do as a joke? Is there a point in the manga where they should have brought it up and it's weird they didn't?
Anonymous No.50133191 >>50133198
>>50132995
Alright sure, whale tits.
Anonymous No.50133198
>>50133191
Yay!
Anonymous No.50133205 >>50133216 >>50133245
>>50133187
Luxury items like ice cream being casually served to forest hobos would imply that they are not wanting for resources, including food.
Anonymous No.50133216
>>50133205
>Luxury items like ice cream being casually served to forest hobos
She's a minor celebrity in the human village that literally escorts people to the one place in gensokyo that ensures 40% of their kids won't drop dead before the age of ten and a friend of Keine, the only teacher of any worth in the human village and the literal protector of the human village.

>including food.
They could have ice cream but not much else of anything. Besides, you do realize how a famine works, right?
Anonymous No.50133221 >>50133241
>>50133143
>So your own example of a human magician is somebody who suffered because they learned magic and you don't even know for sure what the reason was?
>He moved outside the human village before killing himself.
I reread the chapter for the sake of it.
It:
It literally never mentions he was kicked out of the village.
It only mentions that he was buried (meaning he still lived close to people after suicide)
It mentions that he came from the netherworld (the neutral place where spirits go) when he returned
And finally he only says he will live far away from the village as a youkai, basically just to get Reimu off his ass.
The preceding chapter does not mention his backstory nor does the proceeding one nor does his cameo later in the manga.
Either reread your scans or don't lie, it's simple. You cannot claim he was kicked out outside of your fanfic.
Anonymous No.50133228
>>50133176
Fuck.
Anonymous No.50133230 >>50133241
>>50133187
>Why would the human villagers bring up the mass starvations they had in the past? Do you think it's something they do as a joke? Is there a point in the manga where they should have brought it up and it's weird they didn't?
Nigger you're obsessed with them being "livestock" (fanfic term) but you can't figure that maybe the youkai and the gods would be concerned enough to mention it? Food security is balance after all. Your logic simply doesn't hold, it's just a pathetic attempt to explain away the total absence of famine as a concern in Gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50133231 >>50134030
>>50133157
Can you draw miyoi dishwashing using her soaped up tiddies
Anonymous No.50133233
>>50133157
I want to have fast sex with Aya-san!
Anonymous No.50133241 >>50133263 >>50133924
>>50133221
I'll look it up myself. All I will say is that your evidence that humans can learn magic being a guy that guy that suffered because you learn magic... try again.

>>50133230
>but you can't figure that maybe the youkai and the gods would be concerned enough to mention it?
Byakuren literally says the humans in Gensokyo only exist for the sake of youkai. And in actual practise they are livestock. Kanako trying to push it in a different direction doesn't change that.

Zoo animals aren't required to stay alive.
Anonymous No.50133245 >>50133253
>>50133205
And also food problems never being mentioned or touched on in like 20 years of print works despite it being an easy sell for "pray to god = get crops" type chapter. Seems like it's not a concern unless you are wilfully obtuse.
Anonymous No.50133253 >>50133272
>>50133245
The one chapter we do have focusing on that indicates that there are consequences for harvests failings.
Anonymous No.50133263 >>50133270
>>50133241
>Byakuren literally says the humans in Gensokyo only exist for the sake of youkai. And in actual practise they are livestock. Kanako trying to push it in a different direction doesn't change that
They are not livestock because they are not for consumption. The Zoo analogy works better, which is why it's used, because they ultimately give attention like the story mentions.
This is the balance, no attention, no youkai and no gods. Which is why humans are unmatched and can go around to youkai gamling dens and other fun things.
Anonymous No.50133270 >>50133296 >>50133796
>>50133263
>They are not livestock because they are not for consumption.
The fear they produce is. Sheep are livestock even if they are just used for wool.

>This is the balance, no attention, no youkai and no gods.
That's not balance, that's paratism.

>Which is why humans are unmatched and can go around to youkai gamling dens and other fun things.
Youkai can go to the human village and Humans can't go to, say, genbu ravine or Tengu city.
Anonymous No.50133272 >>50133273 >>50133499
>>50133253
Congratulations, we're now at "sometines harvests fail", something that I recall happening in my first world country not long ago and driving up tons of prices, which is a step in the right direction. It took us 730 replies to reach this inspiring milestone.
Anonymous No.50133273 >>50133305
>>50133272
Yes. Which only calls into question your claim that food is a total non issue all the more.
Anonymous No.50133296 >>50133329
>>50133270
>wool
Tell me, if you put wool on yourself, does your character change? Do you gain the will to keep doing what you do? Youkai change, mutate and persist basically off of their perception, and we're told that ones that don't fit their role eventually could cease being their current kind of youkai as per Komachi. That's probably why so many of the youkai turned into human-like people anyway.
>That's not balance, that's paratism
If you disregard any of the benefits that they provide such as supernatural services, good fortune, free house upkeep, storm prevention, infrastructure projects, and so on.
>Youkai can go to the human village and Humans can't go to, say, genbu ravine or Tengu city
We've never seen it tried but the more random humans show up playing games with youkai the less likely this becomes.
Anonymous No.50133305 >>50133329
>>50133273
You found one panel where food harvests could fail, but I have yet to see actual consequences materialized or mentioned that aren't basically just price increases. Until then, this is about as canon as the "Yukari kills villagers" fanfiction. I rate it 3/10 as opposed to the regular 1/10.
Anonymous No.50133329 >>50134645
>>50133296
>Tell me, if you put wool on yourself, does your character change?
A bit, though mostly if it's in the form of a cool hat. Besides, dying from cold changes you into a non living person. Which is a form of change.

>supernatural services,
No supernatural service has been shown that is better than anything gained on the outside world.

>good fortune
Not even guaranteed.

>free house upkeep,
What? You mean the house spirits?

There's a old joke in East germany: "How do you know you are being spied on by the secret police? Your house has a new cupboard."

> storm prevention,
Outside world already does that.

> infrastructure projects
name me a infrastructure half as impressive as Odawara castle. You know, the castle build CENTURIES ago.

>We've never seen it tried but the more random humans show up playing games with youkai the less likely this becomes.
No? Especially if they have to disguise themselves and the entire point is that it's genuinly dangerous for them to go and a alternative is created in the human village.

>>50133305
>but I have yet to see actual consequences materialized or mentioned that aren't basically just price increases.
My point is that you claimed those consequences did not exist. When you have no evidence for that.

>Yukari kills villagers"
I already explained as much that I don't even care if she kills them. The point is that she engages in political repression of human villagers. She denies them their freedom and the ability to pursue their own happiness.
Anonymous No.50133453 >>50133477
What the fuck is happening here?
Anonymous No.50133477
>>50133453
North K*rea happened
Anonymous No.50133499 >>50134645
>>50133272
>my first world country
I genuinely doubt that.
Anonymous No.50133696 >>50133796
so... what did we learn?
Anonymous No.50133796
>>50133157
Thanks 103
>>50133174
He knows his position is ultimately untrue or at best been retconned so he's trying to make us go on the defensive when really we're the consensus, he has to post sources cited evidence to all his claims first
>>50133270
>Youkai can go to the human village and Humans can't go to, say, genbu ravine or Tengu city.
I'm going to be that fucking guy now and say Marisa Kirisame.
Literal ordinary human being, no special priviledges, learnt magic *as a runaway child* whether or not you think a certain evil spirit was involved that means its easy, not only can she go toe to toe with Gensokyo's strongest youkai, beat them and impress them. She's multiple times gone to restricted places and passed as she pleased, even returning to rob them afterwards. She's gone to genbu ravine, she's gone to ""Tengu city"" (what is this Reach city shit?) and she took what she want and left
Oh and that gap youkai that is spying on the humans and is going to kill them if they get too unruly, didn't do shit to Marisa until she was up in her face blasting her with Danmaku and she still lived afterwards

What would Marisa have if she had been born in the outside world? Nothing.

>>50133696
I kinda see what this guy's problem is and why we keep having this circular argument
so his argument from the beginning has been he thinks ZUN writes Gensokyo to be a miserable crapsack world. And as a fan of all sorts of grimdark franchises he loves that. However the entire fanbase has decided to headcanon Gensokyo into a fun paradise because they're "waifufags" which is driving him up the wall because he's the only one who sees the real canon. That's why he keeps tossing out secondary as an insult and why he keeps calling people subhumans when he's crashing out, he sees us as nothing more than softie waifufags denying "da dark canon" and ZUN as a hackfraud who clearly doesn't know what he wrote if he doesn't realise it either. Death of the author and all that
So we keep going in circles because we are often trying to prove Gensokyo is a paradise in someways when our real argument should centre on how there's nothing to prove humans would be anymore happier in the outside world than they would be in Gensokyo ergo, it's pointless to destroy Gensokyo. At worst Gensokyo is just as sucky as the outside world is but with magic

Anyways as someone who allegedly has played the games
I don't know how you can listen to music like this on loop and think this is a dark and miserable setting
https://youtu.be/BNS1e6ZJyOQ
https://youtu.be/3e2_ibyXEIE
https://youtu.be/wbjbNGgL8p8
https://youtu.be/2q2PhhV-PsI
https://youtu.be/BAHrbN-h5yg
Anonymous No.50133924
>>50133241
Zoo animals have worse conditions than the human villagers.
There's a reason zoochosis is such a big problem.
Anonymous No.50134030 >>50134596 >>50134665
>>50133231
Yes
https://files.catbox.moe/om6pj8.png
Anonymous No.50134208 >>50134232 >>50134590 >>50134660
Anonymous No.50134232
>>50134208
I'm surprised his desire to kill all plant life in order to kill all Youkai isn't mentioned.
He reminds me of Akyuu.
Anonymous No.50134590
>>50132719
>>50134208
Thanks for these
Anonymous No.50134596
>>50134030
Nice
Anonymous No.50134645 >>50134781
>>50133329
>Outside world already does that
The outside world has never prevented a single storm, people die in hurricanes and tornadoes constantly.
>Yukari kills villagers
You repeatedly said she has the gestapo SS kill human villagers which we can see by just going back to your post, you change the goalpost is all. The truth is actually that you have no idea what she does and we're show her attempting roundabout solutions devoid of murder often. Ironically it's in CDS where Mizuchi is a ghost that's dangerous to people and youkai alike where she's first explicitly telling Reimu to get rid of her not unlike actual rogue youkai. There's no actual proof that she engages in real repression instead of just using the zashikiwarashi to psychologically support people, finding roundabout ways to do so herself or communicating that youkai are different now. You straight up says she kills villagers with no evidence, then you say you didn't, which is a lie and why nobody likes to talk to you.
>>50133499
Genuinely doubt what you want but no amount of fertilizer and machinery can make up for it being dry as fuck to the point where harvests are bad. You can easily just look it up and find harvest yields fluctuating cause of it. This idyllic view of the modern world where everything works perfectly is hilariously ill informed.
>But there are consequences
Consequences we are not privy too, which we don't know the results of, only that they aren't great enough to mention. The page's also trying to say that Sanae's ability to create miracles won't work, but the source is Mamizou who's not at all clued into how it works or if it can fail.
Anonymous No.50134654
>Unironically discussing the state of Gensokyo agricultural progression
It’s funny how far you autism can go
Anonymous No.50134660
>>50134208
sugoi
Anonymous No.50134665
>>50133157
>>50134030
I miss you 103anon, the Kissu drawthreads aren't the same
Anonymous No.50134668 >>50134675 >>50134680
It’s funny how this discussion is happening under the manga that is the epitome of β€œEveryone in Gensokyo is living normally and do the most normal thing ever”
Anonymous No.50134675
>>50134668
Lotus Eaters is too comfy for autistic discussion other than staring at butts and whale tits
As for me? I look forward to the Geidontei regulars, they're the only real ones in Gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50134680
>>50134668
It's just one guy, sometimes two
We were initially having fun discussing Marisa being girly
Anonymous No.50134781
>>50134645
It's funny cause you can just as easily claim yukari has sex with villagers to soothe them and it'd be about as canon as SS gestapo zashikiwarashi
It'd also fit her canonically smelling bad from lots of sleeping too
Anonymous No.50134856
>schizo went from "no dishwashers equal gigagrimblackpillsokyo" to "Reimu Antoinette is something something" in this thread.
Kwabek
Anonymous No.50134864 >>50134915
There is a REAL chance that Gensokyo DO have dishwashers, the kappa already importing GameBoy from Animal Realm, nothing stopping them from replicating electronic appliances
Anonymous No.50134899 >>50135341
>>50132719
>freeze for free
I am stealing this.
Anonymous No.50134915
>>50134864
He'll just claim they dont get tjose (we have no evidence they dont, but they have electricity, glowsticks, can engage in business with youkai, etc) so there's no reason to assume it's impossible either
Anonymous No.50135059 >>50135221 >>50136337 >>50136357 >>50136482
Next volume cover broke the streak, for the first time
>No Reimu
>No Marisa
>No Mamizou
>No Aya
>No Suika
Shion kicked them out
Anonymous No.50135221
>>50135059
fair enough for the first manga to break the 40-50 chapter trend of FS and WaHH too
Anonymous No.50135341
>>50134899
Marisa....
Anonymous No.50135729 >>50136215
>>50130650
Anonymous No.50136215
>>50135729
Not what I wanted.
Anonymous No.50136337 >>50136357
>>50135059
sane's behemoth breasts
Anonymous No.50136357 >>50137067
>>50135059
>>50136337
No fucking way Sanae's are bigger than Miyoi's
Anonymous No.50136482
>>50135059
An improvement, I wish Shion and Sannyo appeared more.
Anonymous No.50137067
>>50136357
Anon, the entire premise of Touhou is that youkai lost to humanity so hard they had to seclude themselves away into a small region in Japan.
They were titmogged into irrelevancy by human progress and Sanae is proudly continuing that tradition as an Outside World girl.