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Anonymous No.50129980 >>50130853 >>50130891 >>50131287 >>50131770 >>50131783 >>50136299 >>50146413 >>50158254 >>50177452
Human Village
They live in a world with all kinds of monsers and gods running around while also having witnessed the shrine maidens fly around and fight with magic bullet yet some of them still think all of this is a sham?
Anonymous No.50129989
gods come and go but scams remain eternal
Anonymous No.50130599 >>50130748 >>50177451
Oh boy I can't wait for 300 posts of a single schizo jew apologist seething about how Gensokyo needs to get globo-homo'd vs people dumb enough to argue with his shitposts.
Anonymous No.50130748
>>50130599
They do deserve it doe, and no, I am not shitposting.
Anonymous No.50130853 >>50130925
>>50129980 (OP)
Just because the supernatrual is real that doesn't mean scams don't exist. What this shows is that Reimu and Sanae have a bad reputation in the human village.
Anonymous No.50130891
>>50129980 (OP)
Never underestimate the power of human stubbornness
Anonymous No.50130925 >>50135236
>>50130853
>Sanae have a bad reputation in the human village
i blame Kanako
Anonymous No.50131035
they trust the news more
Anonymous No.50131287 >>50136238 >>50179522
>>50129980 (OP)
What is the next deranged bollocks you gonna peddle you damn shill? "Wealth isn't controlled by people, it's all the *checks notes* kappas! It's not human news writers and journalists, it's *checks notes* the tengu! COVERT MASS SURVEILLANCE BY A BLONDE HAG!" What's next nutcase? We need a VACCINE against *gasp* DANMAKU? ALL I SEE IS HAKUREI AND MORIYA SHRINE FEARMONGERING CONSPIRACY TO SQUEEZE DONATION MONEY OUT OF US BEFORE THEY ENFORCE THAT AS A MANDATORY TAX . . .
Anonymous No.50131770
>>50129980 (OP)
I do love the reoccurring joke that their business, in a market glutted by gods all willing to bless in their own way, is ultimately being a mascot and uses car salesman
Anonymous No.50131783
>>50129980 (OP)
They are so gay it's so cute.
Anonymous No.50135236 >>50136786 >>50137351
>>50130925
I think all the religious groups have a bad rep. They are the equivalent of those annoying door to door salesman and those missionaries in one package for the people of the village
Anonymous No.50136238 >>50136268
>>50131287
Tengu and Kappa are too conspicuous to control anything, imagine some bald turtle hoarding gold or a long nosed red man peddling the news
Anonymous No.50136268
>>50136238
>imagine some bald turtle hoarding gold or a long nosed red man peddling the news
That happens IRL but people pretend not to notice
Anonymous No.50136299 >>50136326 >>50136907
>>50129980 (OP)
What's the joke here, why are Sanae and Reimu cringing at Marisa? Haven't read the latest whaletits
Anonymous No.50136326 >>50136414
>>50136299
Reimu and Sanae are just getting antsy because they're both realizing that there's a massive market for lightning charms open for exploitation, and they immediately find excuses to rush back to their respective shrines next panel to start producing some. The chapter ends with all three girls resolving to craft their own lightning charms.
It's a cute chapter, read it.
Anonymous No.50136414
>>50136326
Awesome, thanks I'll go read it
Anonymous No.50136786
>>50135236
I’m pretty sure this is just straight up canon in both HM and WaHH with the villagers only really caring for the religious wars as spectacle and fun.

Pretty sure most people realize that they’re getting scammed or preached too and maybe just enjoy the ride or peace of mind.
Anonymous No.50136907
>>50136299
marisa's trying to salvage their last scrap of dignity when everyone else in the room is long past pretending they have any left to save. that's what's supposed to feel like subtext, anyways. on the surface they're just talking about ineffective lightning wards. quite a sad portrayal of marisa's naivety at the expense of her friends.
Anonymous No.50137255
My daughterwife Marisa is so cute.
Anonymous No.50137283
My wifedaughter Marisa is so sexy.
Anonymous No.50137351 >>50137938 >>50139625
>>50135236
The taoists are relatively succesful because Futo actively helps humans against youkai, and is presumably interested in helping humans learn taoism. A pity Miko treats all of the apprentinces into servants, which make things harder for her faction
Anonymous No.50137938 >>50139643 >>50143610
>>50137351
>A pity Miko treats all of the apprentinces into servants, which make things harder for her faction
Religious leaders are generally very bad at following their own religion, which is a running theme in Touhou
Anonymous No.50139625
>>50137351
>A pity Miko treats all of the apprentinces into servants
Are you sure you aren't talking about a certain other religious figure?
Anonymous No.50139643 >>50140797 >>50143614 >>50170279
>>50137938
I'm not sure about that. For all her human faults, Reimu retains the powers granted by her god, which implies the god is pleased with her performance. Similarly, her innate Shintoist abilities are top notch, with kami speaking to her often and willingly. She's not the Hakurei shrine's head priest, either, so it's technically not among her duties to cultivate and promote her religion.
Miko is Taoist to the bone, and yes, this includes her treatment of applicants to her temple. Her method of teaching is in line with the core tenets of her belief system as well. It's just not very compatible with the Human Village's largely complacent population. She sticks to it nevertheless.
Kanako's dogma isn't known to us, but her success speaks for itself.
Byakuren is Byakuren.
Anonymous No.50140797 >>50148759
>>50139643
Reimu isn't really a religious leader (at least the villagers don't seem to think so). Miko tries to control and govern everything which isn't really Taoist from my understanding of the religion but I could be wrong (the Tao te Ching sort of goes over my head at this point but I've heard it was also a manual for how to run a country so wanting to govern isn't against it). Her craving for immortality is very Taoist though. Kanako tries to force an industrial revolution to gather faith which isn't really what most Shinto kami do (it tends to be more about respecting the natural world rather than relying on technology), but the idea that a kami can change its own nature and become something else is very Shinto. Byakuren is Byakuren, like you said.
Anonymous No.50143610 >>50143642 >>50145996 >>50170290
>>50137938
I feel like that’s kind of the religious theme of Touhou is that pretty much all the religions are kinda scammy

Reimu/Sanae are both massive scam artists who use their Shrine Maiden status to sell literally useless trinkets to suckers, create gatherings designed to trick people out of money, or just barely do their jobs for favors

Miko just straight up admits she just uses religions to control people, and barely has any desire to use her Taoist training to actually help people outside of allowing herself to gain more power and control.

Byakuren basically did Buddhism as a side hustle for her main goal of becoming immortal, and at her best is an incompetent doormat that can’t even get her own subjects to do even the most basic Buddhist training right, or a manipulative maybe/sorta psycho who just wants her subjects to do her chores for her, and wants to to just straight up kill everyone she disagrees with (if you take the dream self/kogasa comments seriously)

Id call ZUN a Reddit atheist, but I think that’s just how Japanese people view organized religion nowadays
Anonymous No.50143614 >>50143638 >>50148759
>>50139643
>For all her human faults, Reimu retains the powers granted by her god
Aren't Reimu's powers from her connection with Gensokyo's barrier? I was under the impression that her actual ability to commune with gods was lackluster and her shrine's god was actually malnourished?
Anonymous No.50143638
>>50143614
Her floating ability is seemingly natural, then as a shrine maiden she can have God's possess her, as the Hakurei Shrine Maiden in particular she has access to the power of the Hakurei god, and Yukari also taught her how to use gaps.
Anonymous No.50143642
>>50143610
Buddhism is a religion or organized violence anyways so it's probably best Byakuren isn't a good buddhist.
Anonymous No.50144793 >>50145396
marisa was super cute in this chapter! what would I give to be a geidontei customer when the lightning struck! she would cling to you out of fear!
too bad m*mizou had to yet again make my day bitter again. I bet that stinky racoon is planning to embarrass all three of them.
Anonymous No.50145396 >>50145431 >>50145448 >>50146595 >>50149655 >>50174949
>>50144793
I hate to sound like a power scaling fag or whatever, but man I miss when Reimu and Marisa were actually considered formidable and fearless chicks who fought against impossible odds with confidence.

Now every other manga turns Marisa into a blubbering mess who cries over bees and lightning, and Reimu into someone who gets her ass kicked by basically everyone, Fantasy Nature be damned.
Anonymous No.50145431
>>50145396
Isn't the point of Danmto make those impossible odds possible in a safe way?
Anonymous No.50145448 >>50146181
>>50145396
>Now every other manga turns Marisa into a blubbering mess who cries over bees and lightning
There's always been an element of cute/goofy to Marisa. I mean in the PCB documentation it's mentioned that her elixir of immortality failed because it required drinking way too much of it to actually work, and she's noticeably shaken when Reimu shows up in IN (only regaining her composure when it's clear there's no alternative to fighting her). Having her be a bit girly and show these surprisingly cute sides of her personality is very in-line for Marisa. Peak Marisa is finding a balance between her cool and cute sides.
As for Reimu, spell card rules mean anyone can get their ass kicked.
Anonymous No.50145996 >>50147218 >>50148054
>>50143610
>barely has any desire to use her Taoist training to actually help people
This is a point that comes up time and again, but to do so would go against the core conceits of Miko's faith. Taoism is a highly individualistic philosophy. A practitioner is meant to observe the world and develop their own Way. This is why Miko's "tutelage" superficially resembles servitude. You're supposed to watch and learn by osmosis, rather than being fed somebody else's principles. Your service is more of a reimburse for room and board than part of the education. Whether this is a balanced transaction (or even an outright scam) is another conversation, but it is what it is. And what it is is glaringly incompatible with the prevailing attitudes of the Human Village, wherein people are more inclined to pray or magic away their problems. Or throw money at them until they go away. Miko can "help" them no more than they want to help themselves, no matter how badly her politic mind may desire it inside. To force the issue would be to hoist her own principles on them, and that's just not the Dao way. They have to come to her.

There was another rant here about Miko's backstory, actions in ULiL and her backing down from governing the Village during the Symposium, but it was a bit of a word wall. The takeaway is, whether you share her views or not, her behaviour in every instance is 110% Taoist, wei wu wei, road of least resistance stuff. She is every bit as much of an adherent of her religion as Byakuren isn't.
Anonymous No.50146181 >>50146204
>>50145448
>it required drinking way too much of it to actually work
Can't she just drink it whenever she can??
Anonymous No.50146204 >>50146600
>>50146181
Nope, specifically all at once, that's why she declared it a failure.
Anonymous No.50146413
>>50129980 (OP)
Are Sanae and Reimu crying?
Anonymous No.50146595
>>50145396
In their defense, outside danmaku rules, they are outright outclassed by everything outside humans and barrel-of-the-bottom youkai
Anonymous No.50146600 >>50147320
>>50146204
>On another topic, the elixir she had been secretly developing during the winter
ended up being too large for consumption. More improvement is required.
I wonder if her elixir is any different than Abandon Food or if that's just the specific form that ritual takes for Marisa given her proclivities and if Reimu would care when she comes to kill her when she succeeds. I need to reread FS, too many doujins making me forget what's official.
Anonymous No.50147218
>>50145996
>She is every bit as much of an adherent of her religion as Byakuren isn't.
Japanese Buddhism isn't even real buddhism anyways so its not like it matters, the heart sutra doesn't even have anything to do with the buddha.
Anonymous No.50147320 >>50147617
>>50146600
What if she accidentally figures out the hourai elixir?
Anonymous No.50147617 >>50147760 >>50147766
>>50147320
Who says she hasn't already? She could have the same recipe Eirin used but without Kaguya to activate the almond she's just left with a mundane nut. I don't think Marisa could ever luck her way into immortality. Magic in Gensokyo seems tied enough to the personality and intentionality of the user that Marisa would have to have decided that she wanted to abandon her humanity, and that alone is enough to put the cops on her ass; there's no leniency for technicalities or excuses. The elixir from PCB failed because she's just an "Ordinary Magician" and not the "Magician of Transhumanism."
Anonymous No.50147760 >>50147999
>>50147617
Honestly, her specialty probably isn't a good fit for an elixir of immortallity. Patchouli says her natural magic is good for manipulating water, but Marisa's magic is based off Rinnosuke's stuff, which is a mixture of outside world technology and the magic of Gensokyo. So it doesn't rely on the user's personal magic ability, instead just their technical know-how.
Her shit types are things like missiles, lasers, napalm, drones...etc
Anonymous No.50147766 >>50147937 >>50147962 >>50148062 >>50148945
>>50147617
I did like this scene when it was printed but with hindsight of Reimu just letting way worse people get off with a slap on the wrist this just kind of makes Reimu look like a misandrist psycho.
Anonymous No.50147937
>>50147766
I want misandrist psycho Reimu to abuse me.
Anonymous No.50147962
>>50147766
Being a man is an irredeemable sin in the eyes of Reimu.
Anonymous No.50147999
>>50147760
I think enough pieces are in place for it to make the constant "is Marisa gonna become a lich this week?!" test of character and doujin stories that start presupposing her pass/failing that still compelling. Assuming she doesn't just say "actually, my magical element is stealing!"
PMiSS:
>She specializes primarily in heat and light magic.
GoM/Kaguya:
>That aside... life gives off light, huh?
Though ironically she seems reluctant to borrow power like Kaguya does, which could make the whole immortality angle moot, at least insofar as she wouldn't use the Hourai Elixir. Not to say she couldn't find another fun way to abandon her humanity. Now let's mash all these humans into my philosopher's stone and launch the biggest danmaku ever!
Anonymous No.50148054 >>50148384
>>50145996
Eh, I’m sure there is some of that, but there’s definitely a clear indication that she’s also very much doing things just because it’s apart of her selfish nature. Like it’s said in her backstory, she’s used religion to subjugate the masses, she used her own subjects as guinea pigs to make sure the hermit process worked, and her dream self (which TBF isn’t always a 100% accurate version of a character) was pretty clear of her desire to take control and destroy anything she thinks as lesser or “poor”. Taoism just let her vent her personal feelings in a more direct way.

But yeah still better than Byakuren’s borderline hypocrisy even if she’s not really evil just lazy.
Anonymous No.50148062 >>50148078 >>50148967
>>50147766
Pretty sure that’s the actual point of the scene, even youkai boy gestures that out in his final words and Kosuzu references that in a later scene. Reimu doesn’t care about actions she cares about status, as long as you don’t threaten the safety of Gensokyo you’re just an annoyance.

Reimu also literally just says “I don’t mind killing mindlessly” so she’s kinda wacko either way. It’s why she’s the best.
Anonymous No.50148078 >>50148098 >>50148784
>>50148062
>Reimu doesn’t care about actions she cares about status, as long as you don’t threaten the safety of Gensokyo you’re just an annoyance.
That's my issue. We go further into CDS and Mizuchi is like the biggest fucking threat to Gensokyo's sanctity and was openly looking to dismantle Gensokyo if she could (had their positions been switched, Mizuchi likely would not have hesitated to take Reimu's life), and Reimu is just like "oh btw you're part of the gang now". It's fucking hypocritical.
I'd be more behind Reimu if it actually felt like she was completely dedicated to Gensokyo first, it's a compelling characterization that lends itself to interesting philosophical/ethical dilemmas (like the one she completely dodged with Kosuzu). The issue is that she only really feels that way in that specific situation with the Fortune Teller. Every other appearance emphasizes that she's a good girl that deep down doesn't want to hurt anyone. What's even the fucking point of the fortune teller story, then? Apparently what it says about Reimu is just wrong, so was it just a cool "wow look how good Reimu can kill a man" setup?
Anonymous No.50148098 >>50148784 >>50149110 >>50170959
>>50148078
Nah that’s actually just 10% brcause Reimu felt a tinge of guilt and 90% because she was being manipulated by Yukari and others into not doing it. Besides if Mizuchi didn’t break down and beg for mercy Reimu would’ve killed her no problem.

And yeah, Reimus a massive hypocritical liar, that’s her entire character. She’s a youkai exterminator that spends 99% of her time hanging out with youkai. She’s compelling because her true feelings are always the opposite of what she says. She’s not on humanities side, she’s with the youkai.
Anonymous No.50148384 >>50151323 >>50152024
>>50148054
>her desire to take control
There is that, but there is also the consideration of Miko being a natural leader. In the Symposium, when the subject of governance comes up, Miko immediately puts forward her candidacy. The Village needs leadership (as they do), Miko is now here (duh), and therefore it would've been natural and effective for her (a skilled leader without prior responsibilities) to take up the position. It seemed all a logical assumption. However, once she's apprised of the situation and encounters opposition, she at once backs down. To persist, in or out of accordance with her personal desires, would've invited conflict. It wouldn't have been the path of least resistance. Clearly it wasn't the Way. It was a very Taoist thing to do for Miko to rescind her offer there.

I mean, we could talk in circles all day, argue about whether Miko's passivity is morally reprehensible (according to our Outsider sensibilities, anyway), whether it would or not have been better if she'd forcibly taken over the Human Village, whether Miko is actually silently butthurt that her desires aren't practicable in Gensokyo, but at the end of that day it's her interactions with this environment that exhibit her adherence to her beliefs. Her motives may be, but her actions are utterly unclouded. And they are, in fact, those of the Tao.
Anonymous No.50148759
>>50143614
Nah Reimu can commune with gods, as shown in SSiB.
She's not as good as Yorihime (and doesn't rely on it as much), but she's fully capable of communing if she tries
>>50140797
Taoists controlling states for their own individual power is not unusual. Yes, many go Hermit-mode, but there are tons of stories of Taosists using their abilities to capture power and followers.
Anonymous No.50148784 >>50149095
>>50148078
>>50148098
You guys seemed to have missed the fact that Mizuchi is a Vengeful Spirit and they straight up mention that if she's sent off in an unsatisfying way (like just blasting her) she'll just come back stronger eventually.
She's intentionally being given time to cool off and pass away because she's a special case.
Anonymous No.50148945
>>50147766
wtf I love Reimu now?
Anonymous No.50148967 >>50149095 >>50149443
>>50148062
>as long as you don’t threaten the safety of Gensokyo you’re just an annoyance.
It's pretty much this
Fortune Teller was all about breaking the rules purely for his egocentricity and made a performance out of it
Literally even Seija had less lofty goals, and that's with her crazy ass amanojaku nature

Fortune Teller fiasco filtered jackasses. Not bad ZUN
Anonymous No.50149095 >>50149830
>>50148784
That would only be the case if Reimu sealed her again. As she herself pointed out, Reimu could just exorcize Mizuchi.

>>50148967
>Fortune Teller was all about breaking the rules purely for his egocentricity and made a performance out of it
He broke the rules because he became aware of how limited humans are in Gensokyo. Also
>Mizuchi was all about breaking the rules purely for her egocentricity and made a performance out of it
Anonymous No.50149110 >>50149130
>>50148098
Yukari and Satori wanted her to kill Mizuchi.
Anonymous No.50149130 >>50149406
>>50149110
No?
Satori specifically taught her the technique used to seal Mizuchi previously, which Yukari also told her to use.
Reimu threatened her with oblivion (see: what she did to the Fortune Teller) instead.
Mizuchi agrees to just play nice and suffers zero consequences.
Anonymous No.50149216 >>50149221
Gensokyo needs a truly evil and powerful youkai
Anonymous No.50149221 >>50149247
>>50149216
My bones are starting to ache...
Anonymous No.50149247 >>50149868
>>50149221
she was glorious...
Anonymous No.50149406
>>50149130
Oh yeah I conflated kill and seal in my mind, but Reimu still did what Satori and Yukari didn't want her to do. That part is pretty explicitly.
Sorry I haven't read the chapter in a while and had to check it out again, but I think Satori and Yukari would be fine with Mizuchi dying.
Anonymous No.50149443 >>50149466
>>50148967
Nah, Fortune Teller being eccentric wasn’t his downfall, Mizuchi was 10x worse and she was given leeway. Fortune Teller however, was an actual threat. Mizuchi was never going to win, the minute Yukari or Okina actually took her seriously she would’ve been a goner, some spirit whining about her life and going on a rampage is just another Tuesday.

The Fortune Teller? He straight up offered a problem that would’ve actually destroyed Gensokyo, if the humans in the village knew that they could just become youkai and escape, then everyone’s fucked, and he wasn’t even gonna fight he was just gonna live his life. Reimu doesn’t care about right or wrong she just cares about stability, FT’s methods weren’t something she could just forgive because it actually effected her job.
Anonymous No.50149466 >>50149481 >>50151036
>>50149443
FT was also a moron about the whole affair. Not only did he (apparently) harm someone directly acquainted with Reimu, he made a big show of it in front of a crowd, then turned around and shit-talked Reimu about her allegiances. I would've taken his side if he'd played it all just a bit smarter, but the hard truth is he abso-fucking-lutely shat the bed.
Anonymous No.50149481 >>50149532 >>50149570
>>50149466
>I
Reimu, nobody is buying your shit. If FT was a cute girl you would be mashing clams with her right now.
Anonymous No.50149532
>>50149481
Reimu really is a violent chimp, isn't she?
Anonymous No.50149570
>>50149481
men...such a disgusting creature...
Anonymous No.50149655
>>50145396
They still are, and they can still be girly and act scared about trivial stuff like this.
They don't have to be one-note.
Anonymous No.50149830 >>50149848
>>50149095
Mizuchi had PTSD she didn't deserve though. Retraumatizing and detraumatizing her was enough
Anonymous No.50149848
>>50149830
She doesn't portray any symptoms of PTSD and gleefully does abhorrent things.
Anonymous No.50149868 >>50149906
>>50149247
>early Yukari
Anonymous No.50149906
>>50149868
Why does Touhou have so many Yukaris? We got Mima (Proto Yukari), Yukari (Classic Yukari), Maribel (Future Yukari), Toyohime (Moon Yukari) and Okina (Neo Yukari). Do we really need all of them? One should be more then enough.
Anonymous No.50149971 >>50150078 >>50150239 >>50150279
I was the anon that made the first comment about mizu-mokou having ice cream in the last LE thread. All I did was post some text about Kanako's geothermal power generation and possible refridgeration and fucked off
Then other anons found the exact CDS page I referred to, Then the same page had its text modified to dump on grimmies. There were quite a few subsequent mentions of 'ice cream'

I would like to take credit for starting all the shit flinging that occurred in that thread. Thank you.
Anonymous No.50150078
>>50149971
based
Anonymous No.50150239 >>50150476
>>50149971
Actually I was the first poster to bring up CDS and start the entire argument that spiraled into grimsokyo vs everyone else, so you can really thank me for setting the stage for your post.
You're welcome.
Anonymous No.50150279 >>50150317 >>50152005
>>50149971
Well the bigger question is where they get the sugar from, maybe the human villagers extract minerals from the bodies of dead humans.
The human body does have a lot of glucose in it and I don't think we've ever seen a sugar farm in the human village. Even if its really expensive Mokou-Mizuchi asked the waiter to choose for you, something that usually gets you the most expensive item of the menu.
Anonymous No.50150317 >>50155224
>>50150279
Ignoring how stupid that suggestion is, I doubt ZUN thought that hard about it. If ZUN kicked down my door and forced me to come up with an explanation for him to steal, I'd probably just say Yukari gaps in outside world luxuries so factions that are used to western/modern food (SDM, Moriyas) can get their stuff at the village, and human villagers benefit in having access to these luxury goods as well.
But again I doubt ZUN really thought that much about it or any other implications (where did the strawberries come from?).
Anonymous No.50150410 >>50150426 >>50150462
ITT sugar expertise specialists discussing cannibalism and teleportation just don't know about Saccharum
Anonymous No.50150426 >>50150433 >>50150462
>>50150410
We have proof of humans in the human village, not whatever saccharum is.
Anonymous No.50150433
>>50150426
Flawless logic.

Pack it up cutesokyo dweebs, grimsokyo just got watertight greenlight
Anonymous No.50150462 >>50150475 >>50150486
>>50150410
>>50150426
Actually doing a bit of research sugar production in Japan became widespread in the 17th century, and since the Gensokyo barrier was erected in the late 18th century they should absolutely be capable of growing and distributing sugar.
Still not sure about those strawberries though. Artistic license I guess.
Anonymous No.50150475
>>50150462
>18th century
kek I'm retarded, meant 19th century. Which just gives them even more time.
Anonymous No.50150476 >>50150512 >>50150671
>>50150239
Thanks anon, I guess partial credit for inspiring this ultimately goes to you then.
Anonymous No.50150486
>>50150462
A strawberry youkai/fairy did this
Anonymous No.50150512 >>50150559
>>50150476
We've yet to see modern plumbing. Grimsokyo back on the menu
Anonymous No.50150559 >>50150616
>>50150512
You don't need plumbing to make ice cream.
Anonymous No.50150616 >>50150700
>>50150559
Dumb youkai
Anonymous No.50150671
>>50150476
Oh no! An edited manga page! I am undoooone!
Anonymous No.50150700 >>50150707 >>50150708
>>50150616
You can make ice without a freezer, that's how they did it before
https://youtu.be/RvH9Qz1HrME?si=vso0oqrvnXq-85pC&t=165
And ice cream as well
https://youtu.be/9m0B9qkeq4g?si=dpR4s-ZrvbMG41g2
Anonymous No.50150707 >>50150715 >>50150719
>>50150700
I'm genuinely appalled you discuss some sweets and don't get that not having modern toilets is the problem
Anonymous No.50150708 >>50150721
>>50150700
Uhhh anon I was told that people lived like cavemen before *checks notes* lord Science blessed us with electricity.
Anonymous No.50150715
>>50150707
I've taken shits in the woods before, whatever they have in Gensokyo must be better than that.
Anonymous No.50150719 >>50150722
>>50150707
Japan had plumbing as far back as the Edo period, next shitpost.
Anonymous No.50150721
>>50150708
That's technically correct if you take ancient electricity and battery experiments into account
Anonymous No.50150722 >>50150724 >>50150733
>>50150719
That's not a modern sit-toilet they've adapted in modernity
Anonymous No.50150724 >>50150733
>>50150722
Sorry anon, ZUN isn't going to indulge your fetish by drawing 2hus in the bathroom.
Anonymous No.50150732 >>50150739
2hus dont poop you retarded secondaries
Anonymous No.50150733
>>50150722
>>50150724
Also many places in modern Japan use the squat toilet, it's actually far better on your body than the unnatural throne style toilet.
Anonymous No.50150739
>>50150732
All 2hus are girls.
Girls don't poop.
Yeah it checks out.
Anonymous No.50150742
"Sorry anon, ZUN isn't going to indulge your fetish by drawing 2hus not living in a demonic existential horror dystopia"
Anonymous No.50150750 >>50150760
It can't be a demonic existential horror dystopia if 2hus are real and hang around you.
Anonymous No.50150760 >>50150769
>>50150750
That's only worse
A man is nothing without his throne
Anonymous No.50150769 >>50150786
>>50150760
.... Is that really it? that's your problem?
Anonymous No.50150786 >>50150815
>>50150769
Stop indulging him anon, he's just going to start crying about toilets (of a style that's not even that popular in current Japan) for five hours before finding a new thing to nitpick.
Anonymous No.50150815 >>50150818 >>50150821
>>50150786
>of a style that's not even that popular in current Japan
What the hell would you even know?
> hostels and low-cost guesthouses routinely have them. By 2002, almost half of all private homes in Japan have a Washlet-style toilet.
https://toilet-guru.com/japan/controls.html

Moreover squat type toilets in Japan are also way more hygienic and easy to clean by design.
Anonymous No.50150818
>>50150815
Go back to thp.
Anonymous No.50150821
>>50150815
>Moreover squat type toilets in Japan are also way more hygienic and easy to clean by design.
Modern ones, that is. We've seen neither of such in Gensokyo, not even anything close, at all.
Anonymous No.50150835
This retarded discussion is actually devolving into arguing over toilets.
I'm out, I can only take so much stupidity.
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Anonymous No.50150987 >>50150991
What?
Anonymous No.50150991 >>50151041 >>50151087
>>50150987
canon pussy
Anonymous No.50151036 >>50151120
>>50149466
I mean, again, Mizuchi caused way more harm, attacked many more people, and made way more of a spectacle than FT ever did and again she wasn’t immediately 86’d

FT was actually pretty reasonable in explaining his goals and seemed pretty sincere in leaving the village alone. Reimu knew the dude was dead the second he explained his plan to her no matter what though. She doesn’t hold grudges or get even with anybody no matter how much they fuck with her, but if you threaten her job you’re done.
Anonymous No.50151041 >>50151095
>>50150991
puffy?
Anonymous No.50151087 >>50151095
>>50150991
does marisa have cunny? is the artist at all relevant to that fact? i would say this marisa has cunny.
Anonymous No.50151095 >>50151462
>>50151041
The puffiest in Gensokyo

>>50151087
Unless you buy into spontaneous generation theory as the origin of 2hus, at least some of them must have a cunny.
Anonymous No.50151120 >>50151170 >>50151339
>>50151036
>attacked many more people
Huh? She mostly attacked youkai, though?
Anonymous No.50151170 >>50151177 >>50152032
>>50151120
A list of Mizuchi victims:
-Sakuya
-Patchouli
-Meiling
-Marisa
-Yuyuko
-Yukari
-Alice
-Reimu
-Kaguya
-Mokou
-Nitori
-Hina
-Suwako
-Kanako
-Sanae
-Kyouko
-Satori
-Utsuho
9 youkai vs 9 non-youkai
Anonymous No.50151177
>>50151170
A true shrine maiden, maintaining the balance of Humans and Youkai
Anonymous No.50151323 >>50176478
>>50148384
I believe your '𝘃𝗼𝘄' 100% now.
I want to join you as your '𝘀𝘁𝘂𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁' and study the '𝗧𝗮𝗼' from you.

But... I want to believe another '𝟭%'.
That '𝗯𝗲𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗱' your vow, somewhere deep '𝗯𝗲𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗱' it, there lies no '𝗽𝗲𝘁𝘁𝘆 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗿𝗲𝘀' and '𝗲𝗴𝗼𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗶𝘀𝗺'...

All you have to do is pick up that '𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗸𝘂' with your own '𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗱'.
I'm sure nothing will happen.
Nothing will happen...........
That will do...
If nothing happens, everything can come to an end...
And I'll be able to believe you 101%...

Just try picking it up. Crown Prince Toyosatomimi no Miko.
Anonymous No.50151339
>>50151120
She beat up Marisa like 3 times and that’s inexcusable.
Anonymous No.50151462
>>50151095
I want to poke those lips.
Anonymous No.50152005
>>50150279
Not grim enough they need to extract sugar from at least 10 humans to create 1 sugar cube, at best
Anonymous No.50152024 >>50152026
>>50148384
>according to our Outsider sensibilities,
Your Outsider sensibility is also the one to presume that was the Way way, or the practitioner was truly good.
Anonymous No.50152026
>>50152024
>good
That is, "competent"
Anonymous No.50152032 >>50152039 >>50152355
>>50151170
>Sakuya
>Patchouli
>Marisa
>Alice
>Reimu
Only five humans there
Anonymous No.50152039 >>50152043 >>50152048
>>50152032
Lunarian homunculus, youkai magicians, mushroom fairy, child beating misandrist youkai
0 humans here
Anonymous No.50152043
>>50152039
Anonymous No.50152048 >>50152490
>>50152039
the only way to be sure is to get some nice human men to try getting them pregnant. now how are we going to do that?
Anonymous No.50152355
>>50152032
He said non youkai not humans
Anonymous No.50152490 >>50179370
>>50152048
How are they going to try getting human men pregnant? Girls don't have penises.
Anonymous No.50152772
Post more erotic canon Marisa thread.
Anonymous No.50155224
>>50150317
>where did the strawberries come from?
Yumemi.
Anonymous No.50158254 >>50158300
>>50129980 (OP)
I know Reimu has a bad reputation but I thought Sanae was popular. How come people are badmouthing her?
Anonymous No.50158300 >>50162990
>>50158254
It's mentioned in CDS but the Shrine's gods give the Moriya Shrine a bad reputation that reflects onto Sanae.
Anonymous No.50162990
>>50158300
Love that even the dipshit villagers that fall for bait so obvious a fish would scoff at it STILL think the Moriya gods are con artists because they’re just that obnoxious and greedy

Genuinely surprised the ropeway hasn’t collapsed and killed someone at this point.
Anonymous No.50165367 >>50165394 >>50166397 >>50169213 >>50170252 >>50170905
I love how Anons can go on and on discussing the religious leaders, and if this one is evil, this one's honest, this one's true to her beliefs, and such and such, but they all agree Byakuren is the worst one.
Dumb nun only good for her sex appeal.
Anonymous No.50165394
>>50165367
It's a consequence of the extreme backlash the fanbase experienced going from the youkai Jesus misconception to her true character becoming more apparent in future appearances.
Anonymous No.50166397 >>50166410 >>50166417 >>50166431 >>50166541 >>50166577
>>50165367
I mean to be honest, as bad as she is she’s still way less manipulative and outwardly evil/corrupt in comparison to Miko and Kanako. Like at her absolute worst she’s a lying control freak who lose to lazy to do her chores. Miko true self wanted genocide on what she considers “poor” and Kanakos a massive con artist who’d sell cigarettes to a cancer patient.
Anonymous No.50166410
>>50166397
i think it's just the sanctimoniousness
i got no problems with seiga, for instance
Anonymous No.50166417 >>50166529 >>50166577
>>50166397
>Kanakos a massive con artist who’d sell cigarettes to a cancer patient
So, Kanako and I are birds of a feather..
Anonymous No.50166431
>>50166397
But you see, Byakuren is something worse than evil. She's fucking useless. Like Kanako and Miko have plans and schemes, all she's got are some lofty ideals she's too incompetent to get even her closest followers to live by them.
Her best showings are when she's not being a leader, and instead, is beating the crap out of some fools.
Anonymous No.50166529 >>50166577
>>50166417
Kanako's always been the best one. She's just trying to put the cancer patient out of his misery.
Anonymous No.50166541 >>50166563
>>50166397
>Miko true self
how many years has it been since aocf and people still say this shit
Anonymous No.50166563 >>50169213 >>50169265
>>50166541
If people uses AoCF to slander the nun, then I don't see why you can't do the same with the prince. I say, we let the slandering go wild on both side.
Anonymous No.50166577
>>50166397
>>50166417
>>50166529
Have any of you fellas considered that the cancer patient might be happier if he was allowed some smokes?
Anonymous No.50169213
>>50165367
That's because the other ones can be honest about their true goals, at least in private, which humanizes them a fair bit, and lets us know when they're actually genuine.
Byakuren, on the other hand, is one of the most loathsome kind of people: A hypocrite.
There's absolutely nothing more insufferable than someone who's always lying and insists that they're never in the wrong, no matter how obviously the truth is staring them in the face.
It's the same reason why Huey is the hateable character in Metal Gear Solid V despite other characters technically doing more harm; his complete unwillingness to take any responsibility for his actions and always blaming others pushes him towards being the most repugnant of all of them.

>>50166563
What's there even to slander about Miko? She's completely right in wanting to erase the shitty poverty and pestilence "goddesses" from this world. Her flaw lies in her waking self not being willing to go through with it.
Anonymous No.50169265 >>50170076
>>50166563
>people uses AoCF to slander the nun
Why don't we not use it to slander anyone, since the dream selves aren't supposed to accurately reflect the real person? I, for one, can slander Byakuren well enough just with her Symposium, manga and ULiL appearances.
Anonymous No.50170076 >>50179397
>>50169265
>I, for one, can slander Byakuren well enough just with her Symposium, manga and ULiL appearances.
This. Kanako and Miko were running circles around poor Byak. I genuinely don't think she's malicious, she's just dumb.
Anonymous No.50170252
>>50165367
She's the one that doesn't even follow the philosophy of what she preaches, yet is its main representative in Gensokyo.
Anonymous No.50170279
>>50139643
>For all her human faults, Reimu retains the powers granted by her god, which implies the god is pleased with her performance.
How much of that stems from the fact she's Gensokyo's keystone?
Anonymous No.50170290 >>50170487
>>50143610
>Byakuren basically did Buddhism as a side hustle for her main goal of becoming immortal
I'd argue she was paying lip-service to Buddhism because her family was Buddhist. She is culturally part of the religion, but doesn't strongly believe in its tenants and when the torches and pitchforks came out the fact she ended up in her position has more to do with being the sole survivor.
Anonymous No.50170487
>>50170290
Isn't that just what japanese Buddhism is, they don't eat meat, drink alcohol, are monks, live in temples. But aside from that they're basically the Buddhist equivalent of Mormons?
Anonymous No.50170905
>>50165367
Ah yes, the "We can't agree on who's the best one, but we sure as hell all know who's the worst" consensus. The best kind of consensus.
Anonymous No.50170959
>>50148098
She's not a very good liar as 99% of the Human Village sees right through it.
Anonymous No.50171013 >>50171218 >>50176139
Sorry for the 'grimmie' take but Zun loves to dump on the humans, does them so dirty. Like hell, I could see the Kanako/other gods having some kind of protection racket along with some youkai faction, gathering faith and fear all in one. Furthermore I remember reading somewhere in canon where the village inhabitants were youkai slayers pre sealing, so I guess shit happened since 1885, or I'm a secondary mixing canon and fanon. Personally think it would have been cool to have some kind of of militia group for fending off feral youkai.
*Pic related* This may be more of an artist choice but most regular humans are drawn kinda bad or ugly. Even generic Kappa/Tengu are given better treatment.

Which is rather meta if you think about it. Since they are just faith fodder in both lore and placeholders meant to advance the plot.
Anonymous No.50171218 >>50174905 >>50175311 >>50176139 >>50177476
>>50171013
To be fair, even though the humans of the village commonly criticize Reimu and Sanae for siding with Youkai, they do largely the same thing when given the chance, allowing the Zashiki-warashi free reign into their lives and turning a blind eye whenever youkai do visit the village so long as they don't blatantly announce themselves as such.
Really, I think 99% of the fear sustaining Gensokyo is coming from the outsiders being sent in as yook bait.
Anonymous No.50171310 >>50174462
I wish ZUN's writing wasn't such a mess.
Anonymous No.50174462 >>50174757 >>50175278
>>50171310
I sometimes wonder what Touhou would be like if ZUN was more open to commercializing it and letting others write for it.
Anonymous No.50174757 >>50174921
>>50174462
You either become Fate or Touhou, there is no other choice.
Anonymous No.50174905
>>50171218
Hypocrisy is humanity's mother. Pragmatism it's grandmother.
Anonymous No.50174921
>>50174757
Grim.
Anonymous No.50174949
>>50145396
I miss when Reimu could just pull out another weird mystical ability of hers from nowhere
Reminder that if Reimu gets knocked unconscious in a fight, she can automatically activate an unconscious spell card that just sprays bullets everywhere until she either wakes up or someone manages to knock her out of it
Anonymous No.50175278 >>50175366 >>50175457
>>50174462
Nobody else can really write Touhou like ZUN does, just look at the gacha (or really most doujin) if you want to see how poorly most writers would handle it.
ZUN has issues as a writer but he gets the tone and atmosphere of Gensokyo better than anyone else.
Anonymous No.50175311
>>50171218
Cute youkai are loved, ugly youkai are killed on sight.
The zashiki-warishi are loved while the hofgoblins are driven out.
The youkai factions (Tengu, Tanuki, Kappa) bother to do the bare minimum of disguising while Fortune Teller gets Crimson slasher'd
Anonymous No.50175366
>>50175278
That's true of literally every author because every author has a different tone and voice and the only thing that makes the story authentically theirs is totally following the original author's tone and voice.
Anonymous No.50175457 >>50176349
>>50175278
Is there a place to read the gachashit story without having to play the game. I don't know what you're referencing, could you give some examples?
Anonymous No.50176074 >>50176080
As a normal human, how would you personally bring total youkai death (including reimu, marisa and kosuzu for being traitors and collaborating with t*kai) to gensokyo? Any sort of device or spell that can manipulate the famous "common sense" boundary? Youkai would cease to exist if gensokyo's barrier was destroyed after all
Anonymous No.50176080
>>50176074
I meant y*kai
Fuck
Anonymous No.50176139 >>50176219 >>50176491 >>50177476
>>50171013
>>50171218
Y’know, maybe Gensokyo isn’t as “grim” as some anons make it out to be, but it’s funny how cynical ZUN makes it out to be. All the main characters are con artists, all the religious leaders are frauds or tyrants, all the humans in the village are either retards or willfully ignorant, and the only people that really suffer are just average outsiders suckered into being good for a bunch of uncaring monsters. And you can’t even jackoff to porn or play video games

I don’t know if it’s intended to be like a subversion of typical isekai story since it kinda predates that genres popularity, but man I would not want to live here at all.
Anonymous No.50176219 >>50176483
>>50176139
>And you can’t even jackoff to porn or play video games
That's a good thing.
Anonymous No.50176349
>>50175457
lost word wiki has it
Anonymous No.50176478
>>50151323
I don't remember this having bold text when I was just around when this was posted
Anonymous No.50176483
>>50176219
It's horrible, every time you try to beat off you get interrupted by a fairy or a goddess or a youkai who heard you were masturbating all by yourself handsome
Anonymous No.50176491 >>50177457
>>50176139
>average outsiders suckered into being good for a bunch of uncaring monsters.
People are ok with paying taxes to monsters far worse.
>And you can’t even jackoff to porn
You need porn for that? Weakness punishes itself.
>or play video games
That's all entertainment you can think of? Moreover Rinnisuke and the kappas may help you with that anyway.
Anonymous No.50177451
>>50130599
I didn't actually post here, but if you want to I can.
Anonymous No.50177452
>>50129980 (OP)
It will never stop being funny to me how lacking in both spirituality or love of magic the people of gensokyo are.
Anonymous No.50177457
>>50176491
>People are ok with paying taxes to monsters far worse.
Like?

>You need porn for that?
I don't, but porn does make it easier.

>That's all entertainment you can think of?
It's better than reading books or trying g to see if Rinnosuke has a gameboy around.
Anonymous No.50177476 >>50178120 >>50178205 >>50178343
>>50176139
ZUN largely writes Gensokyo nowadays not as a paradise as a parody of the outside world. Think of it as something similar to the SImpsons or South park. It's a version of the outside world that's just less subtle and more obvious. Instead of the people in charge being metaphorical ghouls and blood suckers, they are literal ghouls and blood suckers.

>>50171218
To be fair, they do criticize Reimu and Sanae for the right reason. Meanwhile, I doubt they would be as accepting of the Zashiki-Warashi if they knew their true purpose.

>and turning a blind eye whenever youkai do visit the village so long as they don't blatantly announce themselves
The basic principle seems to be "Don't ask, don't tell".
Anonymous No.50178120 >>50178376
>>50177476
>ZUN largely writes Gensokyo nowadays not as a paradise as a parody of the outside world.
That's a very shallow and cynical take on modern Touhou and comes across as an extreme overreaction to ZUN referencing modern events (often not even actually taking a stance on the subject, FW uses AI algorithms as a catalyst for the plot but it doesn't actually really say anything about the technology that would be offensive to anyone but the most mind-rotted AI worshiper) from time to time.
It doesn't really help that people have been bitching about Touhou being dead since at least MoF. "Touhou is reclining" was a massive meme from the DDC days that was specifically about how Touhou was dying.
Anonymous No.50178205 >>50178230 >>50178376
>>50177476
>nowadays
>not a paradise
It wasn't a paradise in the first place.
Anonymous No.50178230
>>50178205
I think the term anon actually wanted was fantastical, maybe fairytale esque. Do note that obviously neither term implies a good place to live.
Anonymous No.50178343 >>50178395 >>50179517
>>50177476
It’s funny because he literally writes the Outside World as an eventual dystopian shithole where no one smiles, all the animals are dead, people have predetermined lifespans and dreams and faith and dead… but he still was like “nah I wouldn’t live in Gensokyo, no internet”
Anonymous No.50178376 >>50178519 >>50178724
>>50178120
I don't think Touhou is dying. If it's reclining, to any serious extent, it's mostly due to inertia. Besides, even if a lot of it doesn't interest me, Steam probably injected it with at least a decade of life with various fan and official games. . My main issue with Touhou is mostly that I just don't find most of the core cast all that likeable. Marisa gets the closest and even then she still does shit that I would not let slide if the rest wasn't significantly worse. Which has nothing to do with how serious it takes itself or if it's a parody of the outside world.

Overall though, I think it's pretty hard not to view Touhou in a very cynical way. It invites cynicism due to it's use of black comedy as the main driving point of the games and the manga. Moe, despite what the fans might claim, it's just not. At least on a thematic level.

>>50178205
I would say briefly, and I do mean briefly, from somewhere between the end of IN to the start of UFO you could argue it was pretty genuinly a paradise. At least, it was a paradise for youkai and human villagers. Outsiders... that was still a bit rough.
Anonymous No.50178395 >>50179502
>>50178343
Most of the future club stories were written back when Gensokyo COULD be argued to be a genuine paradise. Sumireko is ultimately a far more earnest take of the kind of person that would be into Gensoyko and she's mostly portrayed as a stupid dumbass.

Besides:
>people have predetermined lifespans and dreams and faith and dead
So... Like Gensokyo?

> where no one smiles,
We literally see people smiling in the Sealing Club stories. Ever considered Maribel might just be a pretentious college kid? One who is consistently shown making the wrong choices?
Anonymous No.50178519 >>50178622
>>50178376
>My main issue with Touhou is mostly that I just don't find most of the core cast all that likeable.
That's an argument with a bit more substance. While I don't like to use "not likable" as an excuse to deride a story since sometimes that's the point, I do think Reimu specifically has become somewhat troubled. It feels like nobody really knows who Reimu is even supposed to be anymore, her characterization is just all over the place and she kind of just does things somewhat arbitrarily or because ZUN would never dare have Reimu ever kill off a cute girl.
This goes further into my personal issue with the stories over time though, which is the repeating patterns and feeling that nothing actually happens or progresses. FW's story actually just feels completely pointless even in the context of a series where incidents are meant to be harmless spectacles with breezy resolutions.
>Moe, despite what the fans might claim, it's just not.
You're just blatantly wrong about that, and I apologize for being so blunt about it. Touhou has always taken heavy influence from Moe and Bishoujo, and while that obviously isn't all Touhou is by any measure it's what informs the aesthetic and tone of the series. Touhou's darker elements are almost always just implied or left as elements to flesh out the world, they aren't really the focus. That is why not much of consequence happens, regardless of the nature of Gensokyo or the intentions of the factions it's a very SoL structured series that is more interested in exploring the majesty of the natural world or poking fun at the idea of modern ideas coming into conflict with traditional values, it isn't meant to be that heavy and outside of a few (questionably executed) instances it was never meant to be that heavy.
Anonymous No.50178622 >>50178707
>>50178519
>I do think Reimu specifically has become somewhat troubled.
I personally think Reimu has a very clear characterization. I just also know nobody will ever agree with me because it's going against literal decades of memes at this point.

>his goes further into my personal issue with the stories over time though, which is the repeating patterns and feeling that nothing actually happens or progresses.
I don't... inherently mind that? It's complicated. Touhou is a doujin series, so keeping the whole thing free as a playground is probably in the best interest of everybody. I just wish the stories ZUN, and frankly if I'm being honest the fans, tells are more interesting regardless.

>and while that obviously isn't all Touhou is by any measure it's what informs the aesthetic and tone of the series.
To me Touhou, as in the actual games, are largely more in line with something like Puyo Puyo. Which certainly has Moe elements and characters, but thematically can't really be called Moe in the same way something like a Cute Girls Doing Cute Things anime can be.

The manga are a bit more complex. It really depends on the manga but on average I would argue most of them have moe elements while thematically being largely about the exact opposite. Besides, maybe, the fairy manga.

>exploring the majesty of the natural world or poking fun at the idea of modern ideas coming into conflict with traditional values,
That would require the human village to actually be properly fleshed out. As is it's less modern ideas coming into conflict with traditional values and more traditional values being pushed onto people that don't want them for reasons that don't benefit them and them having to deal with that.
Anonymous No.50178707 >>50178722
>>50178622
>more traditional values being pushed onto people that don't want them for reasons that don't benefit them and them having to deal with that.
That's a very difficult to substantiate claim to make.
Anonymous No.50178722
>>50178707
I don't disagree, but my point is that traditionally values are never actually shown being willingly embraced by anybody in the human village. The best argument you can make is that they accept it insofar that they live in gensokyo and that living in Gensokyo is a choice. Which, still doesn't change the fact we are never actually SHOWN them favoring traditionally values.
Anonymous No.50178724 >>50178728 >>50178764
>>50178376
>My main issue with Touhou is mostly that I just don't find most of the core cast all that likeable
Ah well, I don't think there's much I can say to that, other than I find the cast pretty entertaining. I usually don't think of things like, "would you like to hang out with them irl," but I think grabbing a few drinks with most of the cast wouldn't be too bad.
Unless its someone like Suika, or Reimu when she's gotten excited by a new money making scheme.
Anonymous No.50178728 >>50178755 >>50178764
>>50178724
The only people I would want to hang out with are Keine, Mokou, Marisa, and MABYE some random village mobs.
Anonymous No.50178755 >>50178760 >>50178880
>>50178728
>Marisa
Hard disagree there, she's more excitable than Reimu, and I feel like she's consistently the more annoying one.
I don't really feel like being yammered at by a witch would make for a fun evening.
Anonymous No.50178760 >>50178788
>>50178755
I feel like she would at least be fun to talk with. Reimu just doesn't have enough going up upstairs to actually hold a interesting conversation with her.
Anonymous No.50178764 >>50178770 >>50178788
>>50178724
Suika is genuinely a terrible person though.

>>50178728
Sanae did nothing wrong.
Anonymous No.50178770 >>50178861 >>50178880
>>50178764
I wouldn't talk with Sanae because I think she's a genuinly poorly written character.
Anonymous No.50178788 >>50178802 >>50178880
>>50178760
I'm not a very conversational person, so that'd be fine with me. I just like being in people's company, Reimu can be calm and pleasant when she's not overly excited.
>>50178764
>Suika is genuinely a terrible person though.
I don't know what that really has to do with what I said, but people with teasing personalities like Suika, Suwako, or Tewi are people I wouldn't want to hang out with since I would find them annoying. Although Tewi can be composed so maybe she could be pleasant, I guess it depends on she acts when she's drinking.
Anonymous No.50178802 >>50178810
>>50178788
Honestly, if you want somebody calm and pleasant just hang out with Akyuu and Keine. Even Mokou sounds pretty chill.
Anonymous No.50178810 >>50178819
>>50178802
I've known enough teachers for a lifetime, but yeah Mokou sounds pretty chill. She's a generally content person who runs her own business and is generally chill to hang out with, as long as she's not a sad drunk I think it'd be fine.
Anonymous No.50178819 >>50178821
>>50178810
Teachers can be nice if they aren't teaching you.

>Sad drunk
I honestly imagine she's probably a violent drunk.
Anonymous No.50178821 >>50178838
>>50178819
>I honestly imagine she's probably a violent drunk.
I don't agree with this at all, there is no world in which Mokou is a violent drunk. I'm sorry but your opinion of characters is trash and you have no taste.
Anonymous No.50178838
>>50178821
I could see her being a tired drunk as well, frankly.
Anonymous No.50178861 >>50178891
>>50178770
How come?
Anonymous No.50178880 >>50178891 >>50178908
>>50178770
I think you're letting your biases get the best of you, Sanae is one of the few characters to have gotten a genuine character arc that arguably substantially affected her character moving forward.

>>50178788
I misread your post and thought you said you wanted to hang out with Suika, my bad.

>>50178755
>I don't really feel like being yammered at by a witch would make for a fun evening.
I think you're insane. I'm a very introverted individual, I rarely seek out social encounters unless I'm forced to, but I would love to have a cute girl talk to me about something she's genuinely passionate about. Even if it's just me nodding my head as she rambles on, I just think that type of genuine love for a subject is amazing. Plus it's a cute girl who actually wants to talk to me and looks happy while doing it, even if it's about something completely independent of me.
Anonymous No.50178891 >>50178933 >>50178982 >>50179014
>>50178861
Because her being a outsider never feels earned or justified. She's a outsider insofar that she can reference pokemon, not because she feels like a genuine outsider with her own morality and life previously to entering Gensokyo.

>>50178880
> Sanae is one of the few characters to have gotten a genuine character arc
has she?
Anonymous No.50178908 >>50178933
>>50178880
>I think you're insane.
You're the insane one, Marisa's an annoying liar and a thief. Besides, who likes being talked at.
I've had to be on the receiving end of enough self absorbed people having one-sided conversations.
It's annoying, demeaning, and no matter what that type of person won't shut up.
Anonymous No.50178933 >>50178941 >>50179971
>>50178891
Hisoutensoku (outside of being a fun little farce) was basically about Sanae coming out of her shell and standing up against her gods on principle (something Suwako even praises her for). This is even reflected in her next playable appearance where she's chosen to abandon her frog and snake shots in order to rely entirely on her own powers.
Granted, ZUN quickly went back on that specific element in LoLK (which is a shame but I get it, frog and snake are both really strong and iconic shots while her TD shot was kind of bad), but her characterization from that point on has been rather consistent.

>>50178908
Again that's a very uncharitable, borderline childish interpretation of the character. Further your views on socialization strike me as borderline misanthropic, as if you're looking for an excuse to assume the worst of others.
Anonymous No.50178941
>>50178933
I think Marisa's a fine character, just annoying to hang out with in real life.
Anonymous No.50178982 >>50179014 >>50179018 >>50179971
>>50178891
Not to play defense for her or anything, but it's not like she was there to be an outside view of Gensokyo in the first place. That might be wasted potential, but she's not in Gensokyo by accident, she chose to go there with her gods on her own volition, I agree that her not having a backstory of her living in the outside world is shitty, and I hate ZUN for leaving character backstories unfinished all the time, but she's in Gensokyo and her gods are in Gensokyo because they belong there, they already sort of have the temperament necessary for it even when they arrive. Sanae herself adapts to it very quickly. I don't think she was really a "normal" person to begin with. She's not your stand in, or someone that's meant to act as an "outsider" character that's morally opposed to how some things in Gensokyo operate.
The closest to an outsider perspective we have is Sumireko, who I will admit does it better than Sanae, I guess because Sumireko was created with that as her central appeal, but even then it's not very entertaining, because ZUN doesn't go all in on it... again, Sumi is a weirdo who likes the place.
Overall, I do agree that having an outside world character and just having them be a weirdo who likes Gensokyo as it is is wasted potential, but "poorly written" and "wasted potential" are two different things. She doesn't really attempt to be an outside perspective, she has other things she's written to do and she does them just fine.
Anonymous No.50179014 >>50179448 >>50179461 >>50179971
>>50178891
>>50178982
Anon is angry because Sanae doesn't have an angst arc where she grapples with the morality of Gensokyo's existence (as she should, being an enlightened outsider like himself) and then kills all the other 2hus for their crimes against humanity.
Anonymous No.50179017
>words words words
hate secondaries
Anonymous No.50179018 >>50179071
>>50178982
>Sumi is a weirdo who likes the place.
I don't think Sumi being a weirdo who likes Gensokyo is out of place, it's sort of like how there are people who like Gensokyo as a setting but wouldn't want to live there. She views Gensokyo as an outsider so she sees fun fantasy adventure, monsters, and an escape from her normal boring life. She is a chunni, and fitting that sterotype I think she values Gensokyo solely in the aspect that it makes her special and fell valued.
No one in Gensokyo is a real person to her, she views them like how we view fictional characters.
While Sanae is entirely self interested, worse than Marisa and Reimu in some respects because she doesn't have any factors that would diminish her responsibility. She came to Gensokyo because she wanted to, for the sake of power and her own gods. She'd just as selfish as Marisa, just in different aspects.
That's why Sanae throws away the common sense of the outside world so quickly, she's a servant of her gods, she like sinflcitng violence on youkai, and she only ever did this for her own benefit. Suwako and Kanako would probably be fine in Gensoyko without her, she joined them because she wanted to and didn't like the outside world.
Anonymous No.50179071 >>50179104
>>50179018
I agree with the Sumi part, but
>she like sinflcitng violence on youkai
Not any more than anyone else likes fighting. She sees herself as a hero, and just like Sumi abstracts what she sees as "fun fantasy fiction", Sanae does the same but sees herself as a hero or protagonist in a video game. She acts like she's taking quests in LoLK. She's only enthusiastic about it in UFO because it's new to her. She's not a sadist. Her gohei doesn't even see enough use to be possessed during DDC.
>Suwako and Kanako would probably be fine in Gensoyko without her
A god needs a priest and Kanako already isn't a very likeable person to begin with. Suwako doesn't even leave the shrine 99% of the time. Sanae is there to run advertising, which she is exceedingly good at. If she were really dead weight, she wouldn't have been needed, ever.
That's not to say that she's a goody two shoes, she's selfish, she's an asshat, as are all of them save for like, Keine, maybe. But she can be a good person at times and acts selflessly to help Reimu and cleans up her messes.
I don't know how much of what she does is "self interest" and how much of what she does is "Kanako's interest", because in the end she's not the one benefiting from it. If she were truly a power hungry megalomaniac then I don't think she'd be content with being Kanako's lackey forever. You make her out to be more cunning and power hungry and malicious than she really is, when I don't think she really has the capacity to do that on her own, when she, most of the time, acts under orders from Kanako.
Anonymous No.50179104
>>50179071
I think you make a good point, but Sanae is still there by choice and has less factors to diminish responsibility when compared to the rest of the cast. I'm not saying she's a megolmaniac, even if that's might of how I came across, Sanae is just a person who sees the happiness of herself and her gods as more important than other people's suffering. Sure she acts under orders, but so do war criminals and people who commit brutality on behalf of the state, acting under orders doesn't diminish responsibility. It's not like her life is at risk either so she's not acting under duress.
She is also a god herself and she has wings in UDoaLG, so it's not like she hasn't gained any power.
Although I disagree wholly on Keine, she gets her powers from Lunarians, maintains the status quo of Gensokyo, and was the one who disbanded the secret history society inside the human village.
Sure she hides the village in IN, but by doing that she's protecting the food source of the youkai. Even if she doesn't benefit a lot from Gensokyo her motives aren't pure and she's equally as guilty than Reimu. Even if its only due to how long she might have been in her position as protector of the human village.
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Anonymous No.50179370
>>50152490
You do realize this is gensokyo and the 2hus can just create a big Girthy futa dick and get you pregnant
Anonymous No.50179397 >>50179401
>>50170076
At least she can cope with the fact that she could easily obliterate the other two
Anonymous No.50179401 >>50179418
>>50179397
That's only because she put obliteration bombs in their heads.
Anonymous No.50179418 >>50179994
>>50179401
Eh?
Anonymous No.50179448
>>50179014
Anonymous No.50179461
>>50179014
Why do I have a feeling that's going to have you end up in guantanamo bay or in unknown CIA black site if that happened?
Anonymous No.50179502 >>50179549
>>50178395
Funnily enough Sumireko’s first game ends with her almost suicide bombing Gensokyo out of pure fear because everyone kept beating the shit out of her. Guarantee the only reason she isn’t deader than dead is because Yukari needs her alive to birth her girlfriend.

And yeah, it be kinda ironic if the future world isn’t that it’s just Yukari… I mean Maribel being a pretentious cunt.
Anonymous No.50179517
>>50178343
>where no one smiles,
It's only said children don't smile.
Anonymous No.50179522
>>50131287
Anonymous No.50179549 >>50179796
>>50179502
The outside world and Gensokyo are t that different, the even sacrifice humans to those octopus snake gods the kappa worship.
Anonymous No.50179796 >>50179821
>>50179549
>the even sacrifice humans to those octopus snake gods the kappa worship.
What
Anonymous No.50179821
>>50179796
it's mentioned in Dateless Bar Old Adam. The place in japan with the tightest lifespan regulations that are going along the easiest, also coincidentally have snake gods in the mountains.
Anonymous No.50179971 >>50179984
>>50178933
Honestly, the problem with Hisountensoku as a arc is that I don't feel Sanae's relationship with the gods was ever well established enough for her opposing them to be a major step. Like, what is she to other two moriya girls? Adoptive daughter? Colleague? Random hanger on girl? Her being both a shrine maiden and a goddess is a interesting angle to play but her having genuine divided loyalty doesn't really do much unless there are some personal stakes.

>>50178982
> but "poorly written" and "wasted potential" are two different things
I sort of understand that? Honestly though, I think the issue is that it just makes her outside world references feel very annoying and her character as a whole come across as, for lack of a better word, pandering. Like she only exists for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rNhTcq4Iqk

>>50179014
Nah. I just want her to actually feel like she used to have a life that she is giving up. If anything I want her to grapple with the question of "Why did I give up my old life?" and "Was it a good idea" rather than "Is Gensokyo good or bad?"
Anonymous No.50179984 >>50179995
>>50179971
>the problem with Hisountensoku as a arc is that I don't feel Sanae's relationship with the gods was ever well established enough for her opposing them to be a major step
It doesn't have to be, a major part of growing up in general is stepping out of your parent's shadow and becoming your own person. In absence of another parental figure her gods make sense as a metaphorical stand in. It's a classic coming of age trope.
Anonymous No.50179994
>>50179418
He doesn't know...
Anonymous No.50179995 >>50180027
>>50179984
I get that, but like I said I struggle to really view their relationship with Suwako or Kanako in a parental light. She also keeps hanging around them afterwards and is even still a shrine maiden, but that's beside the point.
Anonymous No.50180027 >>50180032
>>50179995
>She also keeps hanging around them afterwards and is even still a shrine maiden
Of course, having a disagreement doesn't mean she has to disown her gods. It's just a nice moment of standing up for what she thinks is right and criticizing her gods' behavior. Again, Suwako even applauds her for standing up to her in that moment. Even if it wasn't fully established what their relationship was (though you could ascertain it to an extent from UFO), this did help to cement Suwako as being nurturing towards Sanae. It can be both a character development moment and a character establishment moment.
Anonymous No.50180032
>>50180027
I guess. I just don't feel it really does much for me and also it's been almost over two decades ago.