Thread 63729346

>>63729346 (OP)
>>63729350
+50 cents

turkeybros, the chinks are stealing our customers...

>>63729346 (OP)
>clinks link
>the article title is framed as a question

>>63729685
https://jetlinemarvel.net/spain-eyes-hurjet-jet-trainer-in-airbus-turkish-aerospace-collaboration/
https://dailysabah.com/business/defense/turkish-light-attack-aircraft-hurjet-to-be-co-produced-in-spain
https://fly-news.es/defensa-industria/feindef-2025/firmada-la-entrada-de-la-industria-espanola-en-el-tai-hurjet/

>>63729685
Except that Turkey is responsible for avionic and weapons integration

>>63729759
Typical thirdie news baiting. I remember just after Sindoor the Bangladesh Air force said they would LOOK INTO the J10 and it spiralled so hard some people were saying that they would arrive next week

>>63733117
Bangladesh won't be buying any fighter jets for the next half-decade to a decade. The country is practically broke right now since the regime change.

>>63733117
look at the PL-15E.
there were some rumors that Pakistan would buy some. then a week later some Indian jets get downed by PL-15Es.

>>63735236
Missiles are a lot more inconspicuous than Fighters

>>63729346 (OP)
If Azerbaijan have that kind of money they could've gone with much better aircraft

>>63738443
Hard to know how much will be for training and munitions, because other than its GSh-23 main gun the JF-17 will require entirely new logistics for Azerbaijan.

>>63738443
Pakistan is pretty much their only reliable seller

>>63729350
>Modern aircraft
>Looks like the bastard child of a F-105 and a F-5
Do chinks really?

>>63739128
It's literally an updated MiG-21

>>63739128
Still the first ever in service aircraft to get DSI.

Is it true the Paki’s design and build the thunder cats, and order all critical components from the chinks, who just let the paki’s have fun building?

>>63739909
Nah it was based on project sabre. China got their (then) go-to plane sorted in J-8II.

Pakistan saw project sabre, took a liking on it but wanted similar programme based on F-7PG as they were looking at immediate replacement of F-6 and eventual replacement of both F-7P and F-7PG

You could see F-7PG influence in JF-17 especially the double delta wing design and overall fuselage shape. Like J-8II, they redesign the air intake so they could mount an actual radar, a chinese copy of APG-66

>>63739986
But isn’t it all built and assembled in Pakistan? Like Chengdu deliver the critical components and the pakis assemble?
Afaik the Paki’s were talking about they would add an internal weapons bay to improve radar cross section for the next thunder cat iteration.

>>63740027
China was definitely the main one developing it. It's hard for me to say how much of the components Pakistan makes domestically.

>>63738443
Such as?

>>63729759 >>63733117
>>63735236 >>63729955
Potential confirmation towards a deal. This AZ report suggests as high as 50 of the JF-17B3 aircraft in total. At this point, India might need to start giving away Tejas for free.

https://aze.media/turkiye-pakistan-azerbaijan-trilateral-defence-cooperation/

Chink + Turkish avionics will eat Armenian Su-30s raw

>>63745798
>They got like 4 Su-30 armed with short range what?

Do they even have to encounter them?

>>63729346 (OP)
>be pajeet
>butthurt at JF-17 "success" in air combat and export
>told russia to stop selling RD-93 engine to pakistan
>when RD-93 engine sale accounts for up to 7 billion dollars in hard cash and will only increasing in volume as China's J-35 will also use the engine (at least for export variant)
>get told by russia to to pound shit

Kek even Russia isn't going to kill their golden goose for India 's backstabbing shenanigans

>>63739028
It uses the same engine as Mig-29 so it will simplify logistics

Also Azerbaijan JF-17 is slated to use Turkish made munitions as

>>63739197
Does Rafale jats have DSI intake?

>>63739909
JF17 was almost purely a CAC product. Only think Pakistani about it were the financial contributions and some requirements

>>63740580
>>63748293
>China was definitely the main one developing it
It was 50/50. Pakistan was the one that initiated the program, designed the requirements, put up the funds and handled a lot of the flight testing. China matched the funds and used their infrastructure/manufacturing base to make the first few prototypes.

Pakistan supposedly makes around ~60% locally, including the radar and avionics, although they're based on Chinese designs.

>>63749281
Based little paki’s making their own Gripen look at these lil’niggas go

>>63749281
I've heard that JF-17 and JF-17 B2 were trash compared to JF-17 B3. Why was that?
Was it similar for J-10 and J-10B compared to J-10C? I think I've heard that too.

>>63747597
Nope the only in service fighter jets with DSI have been JF-17 all blocks, F-35 all variants, J-10 later variants, J-20 all variants, plus J-35 all variants in order for when they entered service.
In the future it might also include KF-21 later blocks, the unlikely Su-75, and the hypothetical but more likely AMCA.

>>63739197
>>63751138
What's special about DSI?

>>63752839
It minimize radar signature on the air intakes

>>63747569
>when RD-93 engine sale accounts for up to 7 billion dollars in hard cash and will only increasing in volume as China's J-35 will also use the engine (at least for export variant)

Why not use a WS-20 or the WS-15?

>>63735237
>bulgarianmilitary
Might've as well posted Incel smega Z

>>63749281
CAC built the assembly line at Kamra.

>>63749338
It’s a chinese product tailored to PAF requirements. It’s Pakistani just like F15Js are Japanese.

>>63752960
Too big. Too much reengineering

>>63752986
Cope more Rajeesh

>>63729350
>Azerbaijan Technology

>>63749281

I would definitely still call the FC-1 a Chinese design made for Pakistan though. It's fascinating how Pakistan has been slowing building up to developing the JF-17 through various major upgrade projects to its Mirage fleet. In contrast, look at the complete mess that is HAL in India which has astronomically more funding, time, experience and manpower than the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex but have been completely unable to match a much smaller country's aviation industry capabilities

>>63753527
I’m American. Just spitting facts my dude.

>>63753763
Chinese design lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sabre_II

>>63729346 (OP)
why not directly from china?
why do they even need jet anyway? armenia is beyond fucked

>>63755971
Iran bought Su-35's.
Azerbaijan is one of the two muslim countries that are actually "Ok" with Israel.

>>63755995
The other would be Jordan?

>>63756293
Forgot about that, three then.

Azerbaijan, Morrocco and Jordan.

>>63755995 >>63756293 >>63756631
Half of the Azerbaijani population is atheist/agnostic. Iraqi KRG and Azerbaijan both sell oil to Israel. Ramzan Kadyrov has political and business ties to Israel too. Several Muslim-majority countries spanning Central Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa have "good" relations with Israel, at least on the state level, buy Israeli arms and sell it energy and minerals. Uzbekistan just signed a grain deal with Israel a few years ago.

Egypt and Jordan are both guard dogs of Israel, and collectively make up the top three recipients of US foreign-aid. Bahrain, UAE and Morocco are also formally allied with Israel. KSA also has a secret alliance with Israel.

They've been working on an economic corridor since at least 2017, which was formally announced at the G20 summit in India in September 2023. India and Greece are both part of this ridiculous "IMEC" plan. They all use Israeli surveillance software and spyware. It's also what got Khashoggi murdered by KSA, and got Morocco using it to spy on Macron himself.

These alliances go back decades. Morocco since the 1960s. Jordan and Egypt since the 1970s. UAE and KSA since at least the 1990s or earlier. Morocco proactively sent 100K Sephardic Jews to Israel in the early-1960s and then passed info from Arab League meetings which led to Israel's victory in the 1967 war. Egypt and Gaddafi's Libya even fought a brief war in 1977 over the former's partnership with Israel.

KSA and Israel worked together to kill PIJ top leader Fathi Shaqaqi in 1995. UAE and Israel worked together to kill Hamas senior leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in 2010. UAE and KSA actively fund many pro-Israel think tanks, media outlets and parties.

>>63747569
this is especially futile since China offers the WS13 drop in replacement

>>63754971
yes, it was BUILT and DESIGNED by CHENGDU.

>>63739128
Side by side comparison between JF-17 and F-5

>>63757779
thanks @grok

>>63772886
Grok wouldn't post even 20% of what I just did. Nobody openly talks about Muslim-majority regimes' collusions with Israel.

>>63777160
everyone with more than 37 brain cells know about it. it's an open secret now
almost all gulf arab states have shady dealing with israel, they also sale pegasus malware to everyone with enough shekels

the only thing I didn't know was kadyrov ties with them

Oh cool a rerun thread misrepresenting an article in some dogshit language

>>63778051
go rape a lizard ranjesh

>>63729346 (OP)
"Eyes" and "buys" might sound similar, but they have very different meanings in English.

30 May 2025: https://gdh.digital/haber/azerbaycanli-askerler-jf-17-savas-ucagi-icin-pakistandaki-egitimlerini-tamamladi-8enkt44x0x8

A group of specialist personnel from the Azerbaijani Air Force successfully completed a comprehensive training program conducted in Pakistan.

The personnel receiving training are thought to be pilots and technical support personnel of the JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter jets, which Azerbaijan decided to procure in February 2024.

Deliveries could begin this year
Azerbaijan has initially ordered 16 JF-17C/D Block III fighter jets as part of its agreement with Pakistan. This $1.6 billion contract includes aircraft as well as support elements such as ammunition, ground systems and personnel training.

First deliveries are expected to begin in mid-2025, with the entire order to be completed by the end of 2027.

>>63778112
OBSESSED.

>>63729346 (OP)
>Azerbaijan buy additional
Hello, Mohammed.

>>63729346 (OP)
https://x.com/GovtofPakistan/status/1930903310384439604

I guess we have official confirmation now with forty aircraft costing US$4.6 billion in total, which is even higher than what had been previously reported at US$4.2 billion last month.

>>63749338
this may 7 affair has really made me like paki millitary
niggas are broke but really competent

Do we have any visual proof this fighter jet can operate any Turkish developed weaponry beyond just some random targeting pod or whatnot?

>>63800459
what color are you?

>>63792993
>costing US$4.6 billion in total, which is even higher than what had been previously reported at US$4.2 billion last month.
At first I was going to say you shouldn't put too much weight on the precise numbers reported, either for the amount of units or the cost, but then I came across this below. I still wouldn't put too much weight on the precise numbers yet other than being "above $4 billion, 40–50 units, and more than just buying the jets".

https://turdef.com/article/pakistan-confirms-inking-of-deal-with-azerbaijan-for-jf-17
> Acquisition of JF-17 Block III has been on the table for Azerbaijan, which seeks to modernise its fighter fleet that currently consists of ex-USSR aircraft like MiG-29 and Su-25. Pakistani Government confirmed the inking of a deal which includes 40 fighters at a cost of $2 billion, which indicates an average unit cost of $50 million.
> The statement added that a defence agreement worth $4.6 billion was signed between the two countries without details. Considering the scale, weaponry for the new fighter might be a mere part of this.

> Compared to MiG-29, considerably larger fighters, JF-17 Block III will bring advantages to Azerbaijan on a new level thanks to modern sensor and weaponry options. There are both political and technical reasons for Azerbaijan’s pick ending up as JF-17.
> Azerbaijan’s options were limited as the solution had to arrive swiftly, which points out to a country that would provide the smoothest process for negotiations. European countries and the U.S. can not be considered ideal for Azerbaijan due to the anti-Azerbaijan diaspora presence in the senates/parliaments, while Russia has its hands full with the Russo-Ukrainian War.
> In technical terms, JF-17 Block III can be likened to the Swedish Gripen E/F in philosophy, which focuses on ease of maintenance and low operating/acquisition costs. This is important for Azerbaijan as it will be switching to a whole new interface for its fighter fleet.

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> Pakistan has more freedom on JF-17’s integration work compared to its fleet of J-10C fighters as one of the two developers. This is evidenced by the integration of Turkish ASELPOD targeting pod on the fighters. This might be taken a step further in Azerbaijan’s case, as Turkiye’s integration capabilities on foreign aircraft have been tested recently.
> Turkish Laçın modernisation package for Azerbaijan’s Su-25 attack aircraft sheds some light on possibilities with its use of the UBAS [Uçaktan Bağımsız Atış Sistemi / Aircraft Independent Firing System] aircraft-agnostic fire control system, which can allow the use of even sophisticated munitions like SOM-B1 in addition to guided bombs. Considering Pakistan’s position as a partner in JF-17 and no apparent objection from China to the integration of ASELPOD, Azerbaijani JF-17 Block IIIs using UBAS to access Turkish munitions is a possibility that should not be ruled out.

>>63798401
>Do we have any visual proof this fighter jet can operate any Turkish developed weaponry beyond just some random targeting pod or whatnot?
So I looked more into "UBAS", and came across this:

[A] April 2025: https://caliber.az/en/post/azerbaijan-s-su-25-aircraft-successfully-tests-turkiye-s-som-sahin-cruise-missile
[B] March 2025: https://www.twz.com/air/turkish-f-16s-are-using-tablets-to-control-locally-made-weapons
[c] April 2023: https://savunmasanayist.com/milli-muhimmatlarin-f-16lara-entegrasyon-sorunu-cozuluyor/
[D] September 2024: https://turdef.com/article/ADEX%202024:%20Su-25%20LA%C3%87IN%20Modernisation%20on%20Display

Earliest references of it I could find online:

[E] July 2022: https://defenceturkey.com/en/content/gokdogan-bvr-fuzesi-ile-rf-baslikli-atis-testi-temmuz-ayi-baslarinda-basariyla-gerceklestirildi-5155
[F] April 2019 (TUBITAK 2018 Activity Report, Page 99): https://tubitak.gov.tr/sites/default/files/18842/2018_faaliyet_raporu_v20-16042019.pdf

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>>63801391
[D] Sep 2024
> includes cockpit modernisation with digital displays and a revamp of armament with Turkish munitions.
> LAÇIN modernisation has been divided into two phases, Merhale-1 and Merhale-2, with different levels of system integration.

> Merhale-1, as the basic phase, has added the UBAS (Aircraft-Independent Firing System) as a plug-and-play solution for the integration of KGK-82/83, TEBER-82 guided bombs, and SOM-B1 cruise missiles. As of July 30, 2024, the seventh aircraft has been delivered.
> Merhale-2 is more comprehensive, with a complete overhaul of avionics, including the cockpit, mission computer, radios, communication link, INS, and more. The PDR for the Merhale-2 standard was reviewed on May 23, 2024. Merhale-2 will add HGK GPS-guided bombs and SOM ŞAHİN cruise missiles to the armament.

[B] Mar 2025
> The tablet can be seen in the cockpit of an F-16 in a recent video showing a test launch of the domestically developed SOM-J standoff missile. The tablet is mounted on the Input Control Panel (ICP), which is located on the center console beneath the head-up display. The ICP is used to select weapons, navigation settings, and radio communications, among other functions. At the same time, the pilot has another tablet on their knee, something that has become increasingly common, augmenting the information available via the aircraft’s mission systems and helping eliminate cumbersome paper books in the cockpit.

> Turkey operates Block 30, 40, and 50 aircraft, it seems that the UBAS, currently at least, is restricted to the Block 40/50 jets that were modernized with the Common Configuration Implementation Program (CCIP) upgrade, which was completed in 2015.
> As well as tablets in the cockpit, Ukrainian aircraft are also using specialized pylons on which the Western-made weapons are carried.
> For Turkey, the situation is essentially reversed, with the problem being how to integrate new Turkish-made weapons onto older U.S.-made F-16s.

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>>63741324
super tucano

>>63752969
>>63778051
>>63779425
See >>63792058 and >>63792993

>>63805081
>expecting people to understand urdu in pakistan truck repairing sweatshop imageboard

Azerbaijani Su-25s and this one are able to launch SOM B2 (600+ km range)

This is overkill for Armenia guess who is the contender.

>>63805279
Are you genuinely retarded? You just got linked multiple English-language posts, including a whole thread.

>>63805286 >>63745798 >>63755971
The jets aren't really aimed at Armenia per se. Russia and Iran are rivals as well.

>>63754389
More like the Japanese F-2 but outsourced to the US

Came across this while on Google:
> https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/pakistan-has-already-sold-more-jf-17s-than-india-has-built-tejas.23520/

> LCA Tejas: First Flight , January 2001
> JF-17 Thunder: First Flight, August 2003
> Tejas produced to date: 38
> JF-17 produced to date: 150
> But what really stands out about the $4.6 billion deal for Pakistan to supply Azerbaijan with 40 JF-17 Thunder Block-3 jets is that it's the largest defense export agreement ever signed in South Asia.
> Azerbaijan’s order alone (40 units) surpasses the total number of LCA Tejas aircraft produced to date (just 38 units).

>>63729346 (OP)
40 jf 17s for 4.2 billion?
100 mill per jf?
Why don't they buy j10s at 43 mill a piece?

>>63811661
China wouldn't agree to Turkey gutting their planes and replaced half the avionics with turkish equivalents

Pakistan does

>>63757779
Shhh, don't tell people muslims and jews can be pragmatic, it will break /pol/'s minds.

>>63777942
I mean, real life isn't a soccer game or something, lines will always be more murky than you think, you got people like Henry Ford working with Stalin and making antisemitic remarks among other things, KKK and the Black Panthers have at times supported the same segregation policies, mankind wiped out smallpox because westerners, reds and the third world worked together for a while, etc, etc.

>>63811661
Turkish munitions plus Chinese munitions equal new logistic requirements for Azerbaijan used to older stuff from the Soviet Union.
This probably includes multiple batches of pilot training access within Pakistani facilities as well each lasting more than a year for new pilots from Azerbaijan.

$10,000 per flight hour × 300 flight hours × 60 pilots = $180,000,000
Assuming you need each batch of pilots to exceed how many fighter jets you have, just a few batches over two decades will easily surpass $1 billion for training alone on K-8 trainers and JF-17B dual seaters

>>63817995
what a load of BS

AzAF already uses turkish munitions and the JF-17 that they buy will be modified by the turks to launch their munitions (including short range AAM and BVR)

They're buying JF-17 to replace Mig-29 and the remaining unupgraded Su-25. Pilots who flown Mig-29 and Su-25 will transition to JF-17

AzAF's Super Mushak and L-39 are sufficient enough and they'll be getting Hurjet as well with remaining training gaps can be filled with sending the pilots to Turkey or Pakistan