Thread 63762888

Some of you might remember I made 2 of these, you might not but basically I love the M4 and I know I'm not alone.
Once again I'm not fussed about actual M4s and derivatives as long as they are 14.5/10.3 and have direct impingement

Iraqi SOF

This reminds me of the MW2 M4

Senegal army

Macedonian army

>>63762888 (OP)
I'm partial to the marine Raider's M4s where they frequently put ergo extensions on them, even if it's heavier than shit

Why does the UK in particular only use C8s? I get that they're virtually the same but I would've thought with the "special relationship" we'd the most likely to get American Colt M4s

>>63763066
>but I would've thought with the "special relationship" we'd the most likely to get American Colt M4s
The US might have its special relationship, but Canada was British for forever and only stopped being legally subordinate to the UK in 1982 so I imagine they're closer in some ways than the US is.
Also, I would guess that the C8 is so widespread in British forces because their special forces have had them for a while, so other units ended up going with what they know works. Their military is also small so it's not like they need a supplier with massive order capacity.

>>63763146
I mean we did order a lot of M16s yesteryear

>>63763066
Canadians are so close to the UK they still have that stupid policy where you change your money to keep up to date with whoever the current British king / queen is.

>>63763184
I thought they used dollars lol, do they have the monarch on their dollars?

>>63763195
Hahahahahahaha

>>63763195
Fuck yeah they do lol.

>>63763066
Probably due to ITAR regulations and then the Canadian dollar is weaker than the US dollar, but lately they seems to go for more contracts with LMT.

>>63763203
KEK, jesus christ canada how pathetic

Colombian SOF

>captcha started with “MW2”

We love the M4. Sorry XM7 chuds.

>>63764408
Is it actually possible in certain parts of America to get an actual military M4? Select fire, 14.5in etc (I know there's some funny laws about barrel length)

>>63764469
Afaik, money and time will be the biggest hurdle. Can use a FRT for a pseudo full-auto and save some cash as finding and getting a legal full-auto capable lower is prohibitively expensive. There's also the shady ways but I'm not familiar with them. Sub 16in barrel will require paper work and some money + waiting for approval iirc.

>>63764469
You can source a lot of the pieces if you look around like the RAS and GWOT period correct optics and lights and such. Hardest thing to get would be a real Milo lower. Uppers you can find FN barrels and “Dogbone” forge uppers pretty easily.

>>63762888 (OP)
Mogged hard by the gigabvll 416, DI is for faggots desu

>>63764517
>>63764535
So basically outside sourcing various parts it's not really possible to obtain an exact military select fire model? Is it the same for the M16? I'm not American btw I'm just curious how it works for you
>>63765528
Still going strong though

Mexican SOF

Loved my shortie but later HK416 was my soulmate.

>>63763066
The apocryphal explanation is that Colt offered them the newly minted M4 and said take it or leave it, while Diemaco was willing to make tweaks and changes to suit the buyers tastes. On one hand, that comes from Chris Bartocci, and he would not miss an opportunity to shit on Colt. On the other hand, Colt has a track record of arrogance and laziness losing them contracts so its entirely plausible.

>>63765730
>not really possible to obtain an exact military select fire model?
Real select fire M16A1/A2 can be had for about $20k on the low end to $40-50k on the high end depending on the condition and where you're buying from. Full auto pre-1986 Colt Sporters can be had anywhere from ~$13k to 20k.

"Real" M4 uppers are not rare (although not a lot of stores carry Colt stuff anymore) and aren't considered a firearm on their own without a lower.
Colt Keyhole and Square (random receiver markings on the upper) M4A1 uppers are identical to the issued military ones and aren't hard to find.

>>63762888 (OP)
based

M23 with MZ-4Ps (Israeli M4s)

IDF

Fuerzas Comando

Thai SOF

Egyptian/Indian SOF

Ukrainian SOF

Georgian army

>>63765730
Yeah, you can get exactly identical parts made by the same manufacturer or even surplus parts for every single component except for the stripped lower receiver. IIRC Colt uppers are the exact same as military uppers while FN uppers are made with a different grade of Aluminum, but the practical and visual difference is literally nonexistent unless you're a turbo autist that runs around testing the composition of random pieces of metal.
>Is it the same for the M16?
It depends. A4s are easier to source 100% surplus or otherwise identical parts to build. Complete uppers or individual parts for older variants pop up every now and then but are fairly uncommon. There was a small batch of surplus M16A1 part kits sans lower receiver a while back, but those dried up.
Old Colts are around but they fetch increasingly high prices nowadays. NoDak Spud used to make retro ARs, and those guys got bought by PSA and currently make them under H&R, which has the TDPs for the M16 variants so those guns are functionally identical. Minus a couple details like the front sight post, but who gives a shit.
>>63770475
>Emtan MZ-4
They make both DI and piston versions of these, the latter of which are so different from the M4 they might as well be different guns.
Flip military and police use both of them, sometimes even within the same units for some inexplicable reason.

Mexican Marine I believe

US-Philippines

Feds

Royal Marine

Weapon

Sierra 7

>>63775891
That's a Colt M5. Colt needs to stop being a bunch of silly bullies and fix the price of that thing and also make it so I can find them at normal barrel lengths. I ain't buying a 16" lmao

>>63762888 (OP)
Good thread OP. We don't get to many of em these days
>>63775943
I wonder what the reason is for taping up the FSP

>>63776305
Thank you

Posting some of the M4s from Transformers. Shame the ARMS rails are such a pain in the ass to get now. You can clone the black guy's AR pretty easily though sans the grenade launcher

>>63762916
>when the Israeli MIC decides to make a kosher A.R.M.S. SIR rail

M4A1 is best girl

>>63762888 (OP)
serious question why is the mag so small.
i have to seat the bullets super deep to fit my hand loads in.
which is leading to a 1/16" jump to barrel that is otherwise unnecessary

>>63762904
Half assed paint jobs are my favorite. This one even looks decently effective.

>>63776456
disaster

>>63763066
aren't the Canadian ones better?

>>63781577
They factually have a much heavier profile than an M4, even after socom profile upgrades, everything else is mythology.

>>63780747
Why do you choose this cursed image

>>63762888 (OP)
https://www.bereli.com/daniel-defense-m4a1-milspec-5-56mm-semi-automatic-rifle-02-088-15126-011/

1800
need to pay for NJ conversion which is tiny weld to barrel and pin stock and mags to 10 rds
they are reversible when the law changes

what trigger should I get in the meanwhile?

>>63782738
anon don't buy that, literally just build your own from Brownells, you'll save like much more money.

>>63786484
Kurd?

>>63787028
>Ghostex camo
afghanistan

>>63787058
Don't know an awful lot about camos, plus even when they were a democracy religious repression seemed rampant in Afghanistan

>>63763066
>Why does the UK in particular only use C8s?
Did you miss where they just bought KAC for the ranger battalion? And the LMTs that they've been buying for years for spotters?

>>63787125
No I didn't but I'm mainly talking about the 2000s when M4s became popular and instead of buying them off the US we chose Canadian copies. The answers people gave made sense i.e Colt being difficult and uncompromising (partly why they lost the Australian bid to Steyr). But yeah I'm aware we've bought ARs off smaller US firms

>>63775899
>rabbi on the wall doing merchant hands
pottery

>>63776016
>one is fat and the other is retarded

>>63787680
Don't even think that's a Rabbi mate
>>63787696
I'm gonna assume that's a shitpost

>>63762888 (OP)
I'm mad as fuck I missed the opportunity to get a legit 3-pin semi-converted M4A1 for my m4gery build because a faggot boomer flaked on me and didn't arrive to the place we agreed on, then ghosted me afterwards.
Only a small handful of these rifles arrived in the country and were converted to semi and I haven't seen one since.
Had to cope with a 14.5" Colt Carbine and it's just not the same.

>>63788348
>because a faggot boomer flaked on me and didn't arrive to the place we agreed on, then ghosted me afterwards.
I'm not American or a gun owner but I can imagine how much that'd piss me off, idk why he'd do that

>>63762888 (OP)
fuck yeah

I've had this saved for a while but there's a few things it says that I don't understand and was hoping people could answer for me:
1.) what do they mean standardised ease of logistics?
2.) how has it prevented WW3?
3.) what do they mean its reputation precedes it like an anthem?
4.) what to they mean technical data package?

>>63791717
To me this meme seems at least partially facetious, with
>reliable after 40k rounds never cleaned
which is obviously wrong. The meme is also word salad.
>1.) what do they mean standardised ease of logistics?
Parts are completely interchangeable between guns, so if one gun needs a replacement part it can draw from a shared pool, instead of having to hand fit each component through modification or fabrication of a new one.
This line is pointless since this applies to almost all, if not every single military firearm made since at least WWII if not before.
>2.) how has it prevented WW3?
Hyperbole but killed shit tons of commies, including in successful counterinsurgencies and interventions that stopped or outright toppled leftist regimes as well as being a part of the non-Communist world's military deterrent to Communist aggression
>3.) what do they mean its reputation precedes it like an anthem?
Means what it sounds like. Do you happen to have autism?
>4.) what to they mean technical data package?
Use Google. I believe the implication of this line is that the TDP for the milspec AR-15/M16/M4 is well refined and proven to produce reliable guns, which is true.

>>63792047
>Means what it sounds like. Do you happen to have autism?
I've rarely heard that phrase outside and don't remember seeing anything that answered my question when I looked it up, I don't know why you started being cuntish after you reached this point

>>63792144
>outside
outside this*

it just works

>>63792349
That movie was so shit

>>63792356
Warfare was waaaaay better

>>63792360
I haven't seen anything of that yet but with a cliche title like that I don't have high hopes

>as long as they are 14.5/10.3 and have direct impingement

what's that mean? I don't know a lot about guns but I want to know if mine qualifies as an m4

>>63762888 (OP)
Is an M4gery in 2025 that much inferior to a modern free-floated high speed AR?

>>63793401
>14.5/10.3
the barrel length
>direct impingement
The gas system that true ARs use

>>63793638
It's still viable in my extremely correct (biased) view

>>63793638
Nah man, no way.
Are you not aware that M4-pattern rifles magically started shooting cotton candy instead of bullets the instant monolithic uppers and keymod were invented?

>>63776468
>puts on rail extension beyond fsb
>doesn't mount anything to it

but why?

>>63793771
i have a 16" barrel. screw the guy who sold me this crap gun.

>>63775949
>absolutely gaped gas port

>>63793861
heavy as shit towards the end of the barrel, gets tiring after shooting for linger periods of time

>>63793882
As I've been telling everyone I'm not American but from what I understand that's basically the law everywhere you go unless you go out of your way to source parts etc etc

>>63793927
then why put rails there at all?

>>63793974
tires your arms out faster leading to reduced accuracy

>>63793985
question stands

>>63792144
Because it sounds like you might actually have autism.
it should mean something like its reputation "precedes itself", specifically in a positive way. I can kind of understand the confusion though. It's an awkward phrase, and like the rest of the meme, possibly made by an ESL or perhaps an American who is only partially literate.
>>63793638
Inferior enough to stop making non-free floated ARs for practical purposes (obviously excluding collection/cloning) but certainly not enough for militaries to get rid of their M4A1s and civilians to get rid of their M4gerys.
Between my Colt M4 clone and free floated lower and mid-tier ARs with identical barrels, the disadvantage in accuracy I've seen is minimal to nonexistent, like 0.5 MOA at most, if it's even that much.
>>63793882
You can always get a 14.5 barrel in the future and pin and weld the suppressor, that or SBR it (though this may no longer be relevant in the next couple years) Some people cut their barrels on their own if they are able.

>>63794041
>the disadvantage in accuracy I've seen is minimal to nonexistent, like 0.5 MOA at most, if it's even that much

so it's a weight issue huh

>>63793974
cause it gives you the option if you want extra rail space or not, I’ve seen people also put their pressure pads on that space for those far out c clamps

>>63762888 (OP)
>as long as they are 14.5/10.3
This reminds me that M4 clones are one of the biggest reasons I'm dreaming of the NFA going away. It's not worth all that paperwork and a $200 stamp just to cut 1.5" off the barrel but I'd totally do a 14.5" build if I didn't have to worry about that.

>>63794041
>pin and weld it
it sounds too complicated for me. like I'd have to line up two barrel sections and weld it together perfectly so a .22 bullet will go through as if it was always one piece?

Maybe 16" isn't that terrible. I mean I can't hit shit with it but I think my issue is more figuring out how to adjust the sights properly

>>63793972
yea I think you're dead on with that one. it becomes an illegal gun without permission or other such nonsense

>>63793974
>>63794074
I'm guessing it's for that far out C clamp, I can't see anywhere else to put your support hand with the way he's got all his attachments mounted and it looks like the pressure pad might be routed up that way, you can see that the other guy has his up there.

>>63794014
it looks bad ass and those things are tricky to get on. maybe there's plans to install/reinstall something on it later on

>>63763066
Everybody loves diemacos

>>63793638
No, for what your average rifleman is expected to do its more or less still peak performance for modern tech. Free floating matters more for the end of the effective range of the M4. Now, as other anons have said, there is no reason if you are building a new AR these days to NOT give it a free floated barrel and full rail. For people who've already got M4A1s there is little reason to swap them out. It makes way more sense to change the rails on them or chuck an ergo extension on them if you want more space/lighter rail, but those are usually saved for SOF guys who can actually make use of such an upgrade. For normal riflemen these things don't matter, you just need a good gun that shoots, which is the M4

>>63794093
>it sounds too complicated for me. like I'd have to line up two barrel sections and weld it together perfectly so a .22 bullet will go through as if it was always one piece?
Nope. The barrel is normal, it's just that the A2 flash hider is fixed in place. That way, the combined length of the 14.5 barrel and the muzzle device exceeds 16" and legally counts as continuous barrel over 16", and thus not an NFA item. You can buy barrels with this already done, or even complete FN or Colt uppers so you really don't need to do any work beyond replacing that one part if you don't want to do the process yourself.

>>63794135
that sounds pretty smart thank you.
doesn't seem bad at all

>>63794041
>Because it sounds like you might actually have autism.
Right but when you say that it just sounds needlessly condescending. Obviously I've heard the phrase "your/its reputation precedes you/it" but I couldn't tell how much weight the whole anthem simile was meant to add

>>63794109
I've come to the conclusion that it's no different to eastern bloc/developing countries using Zastava M70s or PM md. 63/65s instead of AKMs or Type 56s. Just that all the AR copies out there usually aren't AR-15s and America has remained the dominant supplier of such. So logically their allies would be perfectly eligible to receive American M16s/M4s but like how all the satellite states didn't go directly to Russia/China for AKs they chose not to go directly to America for ARs. But then again I suppose it's a different setup in the first place considering a lot of said satellite states made their own AKs, point being purchasing Canadian copies of AR-15s doesn't mean much and Canada used to be a huge supplier of Lee-Enfields, BRENs etc

M4 a cute

Indonesian SOF

>>63793861
Carbine handguards are short and don’t give you a lot to grab onto.

>>63794087
It’s weird because 1.4” should be nothing but they feel so much smaller to me. I honestly thought they sent me the wrong upper when I got mine. I had to get out the tape measure.

>>63762888 (OP)
anyone know what model of stock is on the one in the op?

>>63800170
B5 sopmod. They go on sale a lot and there are some holidays coming up so I’d wait for a deal.

>>63800189
thanks anono

>>63802895
I wish they didn’t kill CSGO

>>63792360
Neither are great but you can't have nice things anymore. I'm honestly surprised to see a24 embrace these types of movies because it's completely off brand from what they used to do. I feel like we should encourage it because big budget slop really isn't doing it for me. It was an enjoyable film though and the premium audio theaters were the right choice. I also enjoyed that they brought me a mint at the end. That was unnecessary but appreciated.

>>63789435
I'll miss the m203

>>63762888 (OP)
SOPMOD block II ftw

I can't believe I was convinced for such a long time this was an M4 and not a Colt LE6920.. Still whatever it sounds awesome and even if it isn't a true M4 many SWAT units use it and the only real difference is barrel length and select fire

sovl

sovless

>>63809762
I was gonna say that it also has a characteristic stock, with those slots around the tube and a distinctive bottom point, but I guess some M4A1s actually had those too.

>>63776435
>though sans the grenade launcher
LMT, Spikes Tactical have flare launchers and Strike is making their own

>>63811417
>>63811429
It was originally intended to be an M4? Fuck man the one we got is alright I guess (if not incredibly inaccurate design wise) but yeah it just doesn’t feel the same as the “M4” in GTA 4

>>63812149
Although as I look at the 1st image it might something completely different idk just at first glance I assumed it was Los Santos

>>63812149
>>63812160
No the first image is from GTA 6, the second one is from GTA 5. I'm saying I'm glad the GTA 6 M4 will actually look like an M4 and not whatever that gross kitbash thing is from GTA 5.

>>63812885
If you look on imfdb it says it's based off a DDM4ISR but I feel like that's solely for sharing the same integral suppressor which doesn't feel right considering it's unsuppressed for 90% of missions (unless you go out of your way to in Ammu-Nation). There could be something in this text I'm missing but whatever

>>63812885
>>63814070
As for GTA 6 it's the exact same model as GTA 4 only with the carry handle hahahaha

Bump

>>63817115
Based

>>63817126
Tbh that was just to see if I was b&

>>63818913
I've been banned for posting "test" because I wasn't sure if I was banned. It was "low effort" and that's against the rules. Now I always do it through the am i banned page. Because quality is clearly the number 1 concern on here.

>>63762888 (OP)
dos anyone make a drop in RAS clone thats not $300

>>63818942
P&S. Last I checked they were around 2 or lower if you knew where to look (I don't).

>>63818949
>>63818942
The two licensed manufacturers for RAS that are not KAC are
>P&S Products, CAGE Code 4U486
>PA Technologies, CAGE Code 8FW25

>>63819033
I'm pretty sure those are the same company but they changed the name. Someone explained it to me once but I was hammered. I'm quite happy with my p&s. I paid more than I should but it was still less than kac. I'm just not there yet with the cloning autism where I care about the branding.

>>63819053
>I'm just not there yet with the cloning autism where I care about the branding.

Caring about the RAS mfg isn't even cloning autism, just KAC brand whores being brand whores, there are probably hundreds of thousands of M4s with RAS made by people other than KAC and it doesn't make them any less of an M4.

>>63818942
Yes, KAC, if you check places like tacswap you can find them for around 200ish used. I literally just picked one up from there. As far as legit retailers they are all dried up rn, you'd have to wait for P+S or KAC to dropped another batch onto the market which who knows when that will happen as the US is currently selling a ton of M4s to a bunch of foreign countries so all the usual companies are busy fulfilling contracts
>>63819231
brandwhoring aside, I had a P+S RAS and foolishly sold it awhile back. I will say my KAC feels a lot nicer than the P+S I had which feels like it wasn't dehorned at all. It actually felt like a cheesegrater on my hands so I needed to put some kind of rail covers on them. The KAC on the other hand can be handled with no covers at all if I wanted to. Something to consider, although it may also be a total crapshoot

>>63809553
I can't believe this picture is over 10 years old now

>>63823629
>10 years
>EOTech 553 + PEQ15
>PMag Gen 2
It's closer to 20 at this point.

>>63823764
Or not

>>63823764
>It's closer to 20 at this point.
Nah, even in 2009-2010 I don't think guys were rocking that specifically

>>63823764
>>63824322
>A U.S. Special Operations Marine provides security as Afghan Local Police members collect their first payments in Helmand province, Afghanistan, April 9, 2013 130409-M-BO337-033.jpg

>>63824835
I thought by closer to 20 you meant over 15 years, not over 10 years

>>63824955
I didn't post >>63823764, I was just providing clarification.

for me its the m4a1 upper on a car15 lower

>>63824322
>>63824835
You're right, my bad, still closing in on 15 though.
Coolest gear I see in that picture is the cleaning rod.
Kyle Defoor used to always suggest keeping a sectional rod on the weapon as it was the fastest way to clear a stuck casing that could render a weapon useless in a fight instead of mortaring.
Cool to see the Marines also saw the utility of this on deployment.

>>63826711
I remember getting the tip from Kyle Lamb's book. It's something I got some comments about, but suddenly when somebody has a brass over bore jam one demonstration of having a rod ready shuts people up.