https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/air/pakistan-to-start-inducting-fc-31-fighters

>The FC-31 aircraft "will begin arriving within months", the official said recently, while also confirming that PAF pilots are in China undergoing training to fly the aircraft. The official did not disclose any terms of the deal, including the date it was signed.

>In May another Pakistan government official told Janes that the procured FC-31 will be equipped with China's PL-17 air-to-air missile (AAM), which has a range of about 400 km.

Curious decision of China to be so quick to sell an aircraft to Pakistan that they themselves have barely even induced, including China's trump-card that is the PL-17 VLRAAM.

Something's up in the Indian Subcontinent.

In China's case, their first serial J-35s have been spotted flying from the manufacturer airfield. China is rushing them in for their new EMALS carrier.

>India is forced into US hegemon to have even a standing chance
Sweet

>>63784839
Proof of carrier usage: It got the "Flying Shark" sigil, indicating carrier aviation.

>>63784843
This has been well known for a while.
India has been a long time disruptor in the BRICS, always voting against everything China and Russia decides on and blocking the entry of countries like Iran and Venezuela into the group.

Nowadays, even Russia is as fed up with India as China is, since no amount of money from the Indians will make good the political damage India is causing to the BRICS, which would become a much useful group for Russia if they would align more to their geostrategic policies.

India entering the US alliance sounds nice until you realize that the same arrogant incompetence that made India an unlikable member in BRICS will be now on the side of the US, aka a black hole for investments and a source of endless scams and brown immigration.

India will be forced to choose SU-57E from Russia.

Fat chance for the US to sell F-35s to India only to have them shot down and have their reputation tarnished beyond repair, or even fall into the hands of China after Pakistan salvages a wreck.

>>63784901
Nigga Singapore is gonna have Chinese spooks all over thiers before India even has a chance to redeem the kill switch.

Why are Pakis forcing this shit of "hurr durr first J-35 to Pakistan saar"?

It's pretty fucking clear that the first production J-35's will be going to PLANAF.

>>63784803 (OP)
I think that the Chinese just realised that they can give Pakistan planes to dunk on India with and get basically free propaganda/advertising.

>>63785224
J-35 will go to the PLANAF first, but the J-35A might be first going to Pakistan.

Naval vs Land-based variants.

>>63784901
Timeline on acquiring new Su-57E would probably faster too if paying with USD.
Sukhoi recently converted an older floor previously assembling new Su-30 airframes to be now assembling the Su-57.

>>63784843
I don’t really want them on the team though. They’re gonna rub poop on the F-35 and get it shot down in a really embarrassing way. Plus that means probably even more of them move here and I really don’t want that.

>>63784844
Alright, that's kind of cool. I figured the PLA would shy away from that type of stuff, like they would say any additional marking beyond national ones are Western individalist/gaudy.

>>63785501
>like they would say any additional marking beyond national ones are Western individalist/gaudy.

Never understood this, plenty of PLA units have their own autisms inside their ranks.
I remember there's one transport Unit who made their own "Pin-Up" on the Y-20, but i can't seem to find.

>>63784901
India would be paying 500mil each, I say it’s worth it. It just need an auto-poo cleaning upgrade package

>J-10 supposedly proven themselves in the conflict
>instead of buying more J-10, they look for J-35 instead as if the J-10 were actually found to be so shit that they can't wait to get rid of it
That sure showed us the quality of your TEMU jets, wumao

Why do you guys let racism and dim-witted taunts
get in the way of actual, serious discussion?
For example, wtf is >>63786631 & >>63785496?
Why would be rub faecal matter on fighter jets, stupid fucks?

>>63786719
*we, not be.

How many of the replies here are Asean schizo bot and how many are organic?

>>63784803 (OP)
How tf does fucking pakistan have such good pilots?
has anyone got any explanation

>>63787037
Pakistan is literally a military dictatorship, aka Kemalist because its people are too backwards islamic and not capable of unified political action if not for the rule of a western trained military.

Many muslim countries used to be like this, starting with Turkey that arose from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire by the rebellion of young western trained military officers. The phenomena of "arabs losing wars" only applies to muslim countries that are incomplete in their Kemalist transformation.

>>63787706
What in the schizo rambling is this shit?? Pakistan isn't Kemalist and never has been. Arabs losing wars has nothing to do with the rest of the Muslim World.

Majority of Arabs lived under secular militarist dictatorships during the 20th century, and many still do. Those regimes still weren't shit at warfare. It was Non-Arab Muslims that had to save Arab Muslims during the High to Late Middle Ages. It's still non-Arab powers including Turkey and Iran that has to save them today.

>>63787735
>Majority of Arabs
* Most Arabs

>>63787735
They dont need to be Kemalist in name, but in spirit they are. How else would you explain female J-10 pilots without Burqa sitting in the same briefing room as their clean shaven male counterparts who dont look anything like being muslims. This wasnt even the case in Ba'athist Iraq under Saddam or Libya. Pakistan performs well militarily because their military is ultra secular and never attribute their victories to Allah.

>>63787765
You're retarded. Also, a woman not wearing a burqa doesn't make one a Kemalist. Nor did Saddam didn't require anyone to wear a burqa.

>>63787791
It's the entrie military system being based on scientific thinking and not on some revolutionary (islamic revolutionary) parallel system. Also, what helps is that Pakistan's military is loyal to itself and its institutions, not loyal to a certain dictator like Saddam, Gadaffi or the Mullahs. This is literally Kemalism.

>>63787706
So, basically
>People are helots
>Military rule

Pakistan = Islamic Sparta?

>>63787817
But with even more inbreeding

>>63787817
Pretty much every post colonial third world country used to have a history like that for at least a while.

Even China and Japan had a short phase when their imperial dynasties were either toppled or deeply reformed by western trained officer corps (Xinhai Revolution, Meiji Restoration), who dragged the country screaming and kicking into modernity. Only in case of many islamic countries, this wasnt just a phase but became their state foundation.

>>63787797
Pakistan's military only cares about itself but it also uses the veneer of Islam. Kemalism is institutionalism with Turk nationalism. Pakistan isn't even Turkic.

Kemalists come in democratic and non-democratic forms, and even religious-friendly and anti-religious forms. Adnan Menderes is arguably the one most responsible for Ataturk's pervasive cult of personality and he was both democratic and religious-friendly. The AKP's coalition partner MHP mixes Turk nationalism with Islamic symbolism while still being largely secular-leaning and not theocratic.
Most Kemalists today are anti-junta, including most of the anti-religious ones, that's why Turkish parties unanimously opposed the 2016 military coup attempt.

>>63787847
>>63787850
>Pakistan's military only cares about itself but it also uses the veneer of Islam.
* Pakistan was founded by religious grifters, so its junta continues in that tradition. It's not explicitly secular nor explicitly Islamist, but it does explicitly use Islamic language and sloguns. Arbitrarily calling it Kemalist is just as retarded as calling it Baathist or Juche or whatever.

>>63787867
Wasnt Pakistan like literally ejected from India involuntarily? If anyone was a grifter, it was likely more opportunistic in nature and the true founders of Pakistan were racist Indians and the Brits who created that mess.

>>63787867
>Pakistan was founded by religious grifters, so its junta continues in that tradition.
* Pseudo-religious grifters

>>63787885
Partly but not exactly. Pakistan was primarily founded by a group of Western-educated secular liberals and moderates who espoused non-denominational Islam as a political grift to get power and create a state of their own. They included Nizari Ismaili Shia, Tayyibi Ismaili Shia, Twelver Shia, Ahmedis (Qadianis) and Sunnis.

They didn't care that the borders made no sense, nor did they care that Sunni Muslim religious centers were located in North India, or that the earliest [Sunni] Muslim communities east of the Indus River were in South India, nor did they care that a large chunk of the Muslim population in Republic of India would realistically never emigrate or be able to emigrate to East Pakistan (Bangladesh) and West Pakistan, nor did they care about abandoning the Rohingya in Myanmar.

>>63787765
>More secular - stronger
By that logic ISIS would have been the weakest among all Arabic tribes. And Islamic Republic of Afghanistan would be stronger than Taliban.

>>63784803 (OP)
Sorry, I call bullshit on this.
The Pakis have been claiming for months that big bro chyna is gonna just hand over one of their best fighters, because they're super duper bestest buddies.
Meanwhile, the Chynese haven't said a single thing about supplying the Pakis.
I'm pretty sure it won't happen.

>>63788036
>Build an export plane
>Don't actually export it to anybody

They aren't announcing it because they don't want to draw too much attention to their beef with India. BRICS and all that.

Pakistan will 100% get the J-35 eventually, it's just a question of when they will get it, how much will it cost, how many will China sell to them, how much freedom will China give them to operate the J-35 on their own terms and if the export model of the J-35 will be downgraded in some way.

>>63788011
ISIS was weak as fuck without US and Israeli Intel.

westernbros....it's over...

>>63788036
screencapping this for posterity

>>63784803 (OP)
>will be equipped with China's PL-17 air-to-air missile (AAM), which has a range of about 400 km.

Holy shit, Indians about to get butt fucked.

>>63784844
also in honor of the various extinct species that resulted from shark fin soup

>>63788163
I await to see that screencap if the day comes.

>>63788600
maulanas already butt rape each other. it will make no difference to them

>>63786645
>f-16 proves itself in combat
>country buys f-35 because clearly American system works and there latest plane is probably also good
>lol f-16 is shit because they are not buying more
Are you a pajeet?

>>63784803 (OP)
In 1962, Nehru screamed to JFK to send him B-47s to stop the Chinese invasion.

Today, the US now has the opportunity - some would say obligation - to give the Jeets its full sappot. The US must immediately launch the equivalent of Operation Nickel Grass and make up the Indian Air Force's losses with the latest F-35s that will enable penetration cum blast of Porkistani airspace.

The US owes India for past betrayals like 1971. China is backing Pakistan, it's time for America to do the same for its newest greatest ally

>>63790548
Sorry, but we're not redeeming you Indo-fren

>>63790548
I doubt pakistan could last long in a sustained war, the jeets would flood pakistan with their shit and corpses
fuck supporting the jeets

>>63787850
>that's why Turkish parties unanimously opposed the 2016 military coup attempt.
It's not like they had a choice since the coup fizzled out like a fart in the wind.

>>63790548
Only if pajeets clean up India first then unfuck themselves by ridding the caste system

>>63788036
Yeah, I'm not falling for this either. If anything it's more likely that Pakistan would sign up a contract for the purchase of 64 J-10Cs since the India AMC is at least a solid 10 yrs from having a flying prototype, given how much the Indians are procrastinating.

>>63790548
>latest F-35s that will enable penetration cum blast of Porkistani airspace.
kek

>>63784843
So we'll gain an Italy-in-WW2 tier partner except poorer and dirtier? Don't want to redeem.

>>63784803 (OP)
>Paywalled article
Buy an ad, dumb fuck.

>>63784803 (OP)

>>63792058
>>63784803 (OP)
https://x.com/GovtofPakistan/status/1930903310384439604

40× J-35 fighter jets
HQ-19 air-defense systems
KJ-5000 AWAC systems

>>63784803 (OP)
>Something's up in the Indian Subcontinent.
i'm pretty sure india is being prepped to be the human meat in a war against china.

>>63790548
>We vill fight your bloody wars saar

>>63787765
>Pakistan's army is a haven for secularism
My man just check some basic history; Zia-ul-Haq was the chief of the army, dictator for a decade and a mass proponent of islamisation of society. The army has been radicalizing since at least the 70s. They let Bin Laden of all guys roam around in their country and the guy was living a handful of miles from the Pakistani West Point.

>>63788036
We'll wait and see I guess. It is suspicious that China would export an aircraft that they have yet to debut in their own air force, especially when they struggled to make the WS-19 engine

>>63784864
Nobody gives a shit about BRICS, it is an organization of countries that literally doesn't do anything. There is no BRICS economic union or alliance or anything for that matter. China is not going to sell Pakistan aircraft because of India in BRICS because the implication is that they get anything out of the organization beyond some basic goodwill, which is false

>>63796616
Bin Laden grew up and studied in the US so what's exactly your point is?

The Russians are offering su57e to India with the source code, it’s over for Pakis

>>63786719
>Why would be rub faecal matter on fighter jets, stupid fucks? (holy ESL)
to bless the jet? it's indian culture.

>>63797708
They'll be using RD-93 as it's what paki been using in their JF-17, simplying logistics

>>63785254
pakistan is India' Ukraine

>>63805302
I don't think Russia can afford to export jet engines. Maybe they'll get the WS-13 (assuming it's matured like the WS-10B/C)

>>63784803 (OP)
They're probably going to give them a gimped export version of the PL-17. That's what they've done previously with their AAMs. That'd be my guess, anyway.

>>63807539
Russia sold 1000 RD-93s to China worth 7 billion dollars. It's one of the few things russia can sell for hard cash that isn't raw resources

>>63784901
>shot down
Are you telling me that the Chinese copied the f35 and still made a better plane?

>>63785496
Come on, tim tom. You gave the blueprints to the chinx for free. Least you could do is sell the finished product to us.

You MAY finally get a chance to watch that thing do something instead of crashing into a hill

>>63784803 (OP)

>>63811740
No, they copied and made 4th gen that looks like one because they’re a cargo cult.

>>63810287
RD-93s for the JF-17 exports maybe, since the J-35 uses WS-21 (WS-13 improved variant).

No RD-93 has this shock-cone during afterburn.

>>63820057

>>63784803 (OP)

>>63784843
In 1962, Nehru screamed to JFK to send him B-47s to stop the Chinese invasion.

Today, the US now has the opportunity - some would say obligation - to give the Jeets its full sappot. The US must immediately launch the equivalent of Operation Nickel Grass and make up the Indian Air Force's losses with the latest F-35s that will enable penetration cum blast of Porkistani airspace.

The US owes India for past betrayals like 1971. China is backing Pakistan, it's time for America to do the same for its newest greatest ally

>>63800778
Gonna do the Malaysian move..Firstly announced and buying Russian Sukhoi and showing the sign the move from American sphere towards Russian. American military industrial complex will be scared shitless and lobbying the Congress to be allowed to sell some American fighters (Choices are F/A-18D or F variant) with cheaper price to attract the government back to American/NATO sphere of influence.

To be clear, Malaysia did this not because he is a genius but rather out of spite when the US Congress blocked Malaysia's request to buy the Hornet, & bought the Mig29 instead. Contrary to what people say, Malaysia bought russian and american aircraft out of necessity, not simply because of shit and giggles. For years malaysia had been denied access to more modern aircraft because the US is playing favorites with singapore, philippines and thailand. At one point they just said "fuck this" and went to the russian instead. America putting both Indonesia and Pakistan under military sanction really spooked Malaysian decisionmaker hence why they're willing to buy russian made equipment which is generally cheaper and russia is willing to accept almost anything as payment.

>Malaysia wanted more F/A-18
>Malaysia looking for second hand USN/USMC F/A-18
>Uncle Sam said no. Instead offered up F/A-18F
>Malaysia tempted to buy F/A-18F but didn't want to surrender their existing F/A-18D as part of buyback option
>Deal went dead
>Suddenly US came back and "hinted" that they may export F-35 for Malaysia if they could permanently stationed their F-15/F-16 in Malaysia because reasons.
>Malaysia said "take that F-35 of yours and shove it up your ass" subtly

Til now American suffering loses because Malaysian opened the market gate for Russian and European arms sales on SE Asia and destroying the American arms sales monopoly.