Wannabe subgun, pistol caliber lever guns, and pack carbines general
Just got a new can for my MP5 clone

>>63793293 (OP)
is your ASS HEAVY?

>>63793293 (OP)
Can the M1 carbine play?

>>63793293 (OP)
https://youtube.com/shorts/yyD0c1I55qA

>>63793310
MY. ASS. IS. JUCY.

>>63793839
Hell yeah brother, these seem to be more affordable lately in gun shops

>>63793839
Based M1 user. Lets go find some Germs

>>63793293 (OP)
I just want pic related in .375 cheytac.

And yes pic related is real, h&k did at one point make a .308 smg in real life.

I want a smg cheytac.

>>63793293 (OP)
Between the FRT ruling and the HPA passing the house subguns are so fucking back

>>63794233
you're fucking retarded

I am satisfied with my pistol caliber slop gun

rememeber to use light bullets!

CAT finally sent me the right adapter

>>63794335
I may be dumb but atleast I have a dream

>>63794411
How is it?

Luv me MP5, simple as

>>63793293 (OP)
super safety makes mp5 actually worth it

>>63794520
Ain't shot the MOB yet but the kuna is sweet. I have nothing to compare it against but I have no complaints

>>63793293 (OP)
Will a flow through can like huxwrx or b&t mitigate the need for a lock piece change on an mp5k?

>>63794233
>8.6

>>63794233
i feel like a 50AE smg would make more sense.

Who makes the best MP5 clone? Looking at the turk made on. I dont trust the turkish but they seem to have a good reputation for this at least.

>>63794411
CATs are nice.

>>63795012
I have an ap5 and an ap5m or whatever they call the k, can't say anything bad about them

>>63795012
The MAC MP5s are sketchy and the PTR-9s are apparently out of spec because they don't have the TDPs. Supposedly the Zenith US-made MP5s are good but I've never known anyone personally who owns one so I can't speak too much on those. Most people tend to own the MKE clones and I've owned an MKE AP5-P. Oiling the hell out of it, replacing the extractor with a German one and only using MKE or HK mags has given me 0 failures in 350ish rounds of Blazer Brass, even with an 80-degree locking piece. I would recommend an MKE if you aren't getting the HK. Just remember if you go to SBR it that the country of manufacture is Turkiye and not Turkey from the dropdown list and that MKE is the manufacturer, or the ATF will deny your form

>>63794318
Too bad that bill is dying because of retards like Musk and the Senate

>>63794318
I really wish someone would make an FRT or even a binary trigger for the P90

>>63795187
>>63795187
Do you trust the 5.7x28mm to save your life? I ask because alot of people say its doesn't have enough energy to be effective.

>>63795187
100% this little fucker would shine with an frt.

>>63795377
The Fort Hood victim's families would disagree with those people.

>>63795160
Bill is dying because there won't be any funding to perpetuate and make permanent stupid tax cuts Trump and the repubs pushed through in his first term once tariffs are ruled illegal to be declared by POTUS.
Fact of the matter is the Republicans are going to have to raise taxes in order to keep the US running at all, and it's their own fucking fault.
Drug addict slobs like musk are just a side symptom of the bullshit endemic in the system right now.

Between getting a ghm9/kh9 or an mp5/10 as a subgun for home defense

>>63796593
Any particular reason you're looking at those specifically?

Part of me wants to suppress one of those Henry Model Xs but I'm not sure which of the calibers would really suit that, nevermind practicality

>>63798258
Whatever gets you closest to 777gr

>>63797475
Live in apartment and don't want to over-penetrate, the mp5/10 is more of a niggerrich option and the ghm9 would work with my glocc mags

>>63795377
Yeah I think 5.7 is slightly superior to 9mm FMJ and I've never had any concerns about 9mm FMJ as a carry piece or home defense gun

Luv me hk

>>63798924
if you're getting a PCC with the intent to trust your life to it, I'd stay away from a double stack single feed magazine

>>63798924
>Live in apartment and don't want to over-penetrate

then use an AR with 55gr boolist

questions

1. finger raped a mp5 clone at a gunshow. Inserting the magazine felt *wrong* and like the magwell was undersized. it didnt really felt like the magazine fully "sat" in the gun. Is this normal for the hk platform?

2. What exactly is wrong with the MAC clones

3. Is there really any downside to getting a k model over the normal model?

4. Are there any other products other than the lee sporting that give you AR trigger groups?

I was finally lucky to buy one of these things on their memorial day sale of 10% off. For a $1600 gun, 10% is alot so l can go and afford a brace for it as soon as it comes in.
Im super fucking exited!!!!!

>>63799479
the mp5 existed well before the concept of a flared magwell on a duty gun was around. it's a small square being fed into a very slightly larger square. it's by no means the best, but an HK doesn't feel like the mag isn't properly set. it has a rock and lock like an AK. you insert the magazine and pull it towards you until you hear a click. rock solid beyond that.

>>63799479
Second on the Mac clones. I have a stiffy for mp5's and I don't want to pay more than necessary for anything other than a real hk.

>>63799479
>>63799526
first off if you get a MAC clone you have no hope for an FRT or Super Safety due to random rails they have welded into the receiver channels that prevent a slip trip

second off there's a lot of people complaining about getting lemons MACs. stuff like guns that just don't function reliably, bolt gap issues, bad fit & finish, extremely long break in periods before the gun is supposedly reliable. why don't you just not be a cheap bastard and get the proven budget MP5 clone, the MKE, instead for $200 more?

>>63799443
luv hk
luv pins
'ate shelves
...
luv turkiye
simple as

>>63795187
P90 triggerpack and linkage system is a literal knockoff of the AUG's and the AUG has a super safety being built for it so it is 100% possible and actually pretty easy because it's a modular drop in mostly plastic triggerpack

Please tell me the TP9 can be FRTerized

>>63800551
Nope, you need a lot more space in the receiver

>>63799452
Don't know if the b&t mags are double stack to single feed too but I already have glocc mags
>>63799468
No AR, and while I'd enjoy blasting a home invader with a FAL i don't need the headache of my neighbor complaining about the 7.62 sized hole in her fridge

>>63802505
PCCs that are intended to run full auto, being intended to be used as weapons, have double stack mags.

Just a simple blowback AR for me but of course I want a sexy MP5. Was about to get a suppressor waiting out the shit show.

>>63794389
Nice drip

>>63795147
I thought the MACs were amongst the better clones?

>>63803446
MACs haven't existed long enough to have a reputation, which is why everyone keeps asking about them. MKE is well known as the cheap but functional pin-not-shelf *P5 and they have a great reputation.

Can I get a red dot sight for the sar b6p? I really like this gun it is cheap but I had no failure to feed or any issues shooting. I could see using it as a truck or house gun. And also adding a flash light to it

I'm going to shoot my bog SP9 later today, very fun little gun. Might look into getting a trigger upgrade.

>>63803523
MAC have weird internal blocks that get in the way of super safties and they're overall the lower QC rejects that century didn't want.

>>63806142
>qc so bad even Century rejected them
who would buy this shit?

>>63800551
Mate we only JUST got an aftermarket trigger that isn't ass and the dude only made like 10 of them. I'm still waitlisted. Don't get greedy.

>>63794560
Kek, what'd you use to make that?

>>63794389
Do you have an Iranian embassy to storm...?

Slow thread

>>63795754
>Fact of the matter is the Republicans are going to have to raise taxes
lol

>>63794467
you're alright.

>>63794233
jesus is the barrel even any longer than the cartridges?

>>63800551
>Please tell me the TP9 can be FRTerized
Rarebreed and the feds agreed they won't put an FRT in any "handgun" which the gov classified as any gun that has a magwell in the pistol grip, a compromise to avoid getting "pistols" wholesale thrown in there including MP5 clones, ARs, AKs, etc.

That DQs a lot of handguns in the first place, which they claim they had no interest in putting FRTs into anyway and thought it irresponsible. They admittedly said it sadly DQs guns they would want an FRT in, a la your TP9... and probably nothing else.

After all, is there any other modern PCC that does this? There's obviously MACs and Uzis, but they aren't particularly en vogue anyway, and any worth having are the old ones anyway which are scarce and still ehhhhhh. Besides, if you're buying an old one chances are you just wanna larp, or, you got the bucks to get a transferable anyway.

>>63811838
Who cares about rare breed, anything even somewhat popular is going to get the super safety treatment sooner or later if it's reasonably doable for the design

>>63799506
I'd love a report on it when you take it from the range, got an old scorpion I might throw one on eventually

luv me pcc

>>63809495
Iunno, dude who was hosting our annual /k/ group meet had them made for it since MP5s were the theme this year.

>>63812048
The SD gives my woon wood

>>63812102
It's a fake one with an Omega9k can, but it looks the part.

>>63812165
I have an 80% kit in my shop still, I should finish that

>>63812048
What the fuck /k/meet was this that sounds awesome

why are PCCs always so expensive? this is SCAR money.

>>63812266
>B&T
Bait des, also they have a poverty friendly option with the GHM9 line. Can frequently find them for around 1000.

>>63812310
What makes the APC9 worth almost triple the price?

>>63812415
What makes the plastic and shittily engineered scar worth the price?

>>63812426
I don't know. But if FN offered a similar gun for a third of the price, I'd be asking about that in a different thread, but they don't so I'm not.

>>63812428
Looks like you found your answer

>>63812415
government contracts.

>>63812262
>What the fuck /k/meet was this
One you weren't invited to lmao.

>>63793293 (OP)
contributing with kp31 and pm63 sbr

>>63812613
those yours'?

>>63812661
yeah, noone can fuck up a cold blue like me

>>63812715
lmao so thats why it looks so off
rust bluing doesnt seem that hard to do theres a lot of video guides, i'm building a kp31 aswell and thats what i'm gonna do

>>63812721
one day ill get around to stripping and redoing it, might just have a local fella do it cause i dont got a lotta spare time. you doing your own conversion or an indy kit?

>>63812715
Was that one of the TNW conversion abortions that came with the park job?

I hate mine so fucking much.

>>63812772
mine was built by interfor usa with a clearview kit and an indy tube+bolt, same guys who did all those ar70's a couppe years ago. doesnt have any problems like the tnw ones had, and he left the reciever in the white with original blue everywhere else

Please explain to me why a century arms AP51 PDW isn't a white man's german draco?
It's loud, violent and useful. Shock and awe and lets everyone know shit just got real.

>>63812805
>white man's bluhlbhubhbubh
shoot yourself in the fucking head retard

>>63812266
Swiss are retarded jews who have such a high cost of labor that a $900 gun turns into a $2500 one unironically

it has nothing to do with the quality of the gun but rather your purchasing power disparity against the Swiss Franc

I hate my sp5k so fucking much

The P90 safety is really fucking slick and superior even to an AR style selector switch just getting used to what way is what takes some practice

>>63795012
MKE makes a great MP5 but the downside is you cant upgrade the trigger for cheap

>>63799452
Don't listen to this guy. As a matter of fact the double stack single feed magazines are even more reliable since they feed straight into the chamber as opposed to a wider hollowed out chamber/mag combo that's meant to hopefully feed from two angles. The reason the Glock mags are hated by wannabe smg fags is because they're harder to reload as opposed to pushing straight down into them. That's it. Their baby hands cant load Glock mags. That and since they tend to be delusional "purists" (with semi auto versions of their "smg", top kek), they despise the "ugly" Glock mag.

No one runs PCCs harder and longer than people who compete in USPSA, and I can guaranfuckingtee you that 90% of us are using Glock mags. No one wants a malfunction especially in the PCC division where everyone's extremely fast (because of how easy they are to shoot). A single malfunction will kill your score. So Glock Mags are extemely good to go on a PCC. Cheaper, more reliable, durable, and you can change out the baseplates on them to find exactly what it is you want length and capacity wise.

Also, out of those options go GHM9. You won't find a better built PCC for the money. Swiss quality has always been amazing. My B&T SPC9 shits all over my other PCCs in regard to fit, finish, and reliability. 20k rounds, not a single parts change, two cleanings, running like a champ.

>>63813442
you're a retard, go suck start a 2011 racegun. compfags are cleaning and lubing the hell out of their guns and handloading to get perfect consistency and reliability. they make borderline squib loads in 2011s look reliable

Someone genuinely tell me why I would get a PCC in current year when I could get a 308 for similar price? seems fucking stupid.

>>63813483
Because you can shoot 3x more in round volume with a PCC for the same cost in ammo, and you don’t have to double up on earpro to shoot said ammo?

>>63813494
id rather just shoot my handguns or AR, similar recoil anyway, and 5.56 is 40cpr now. I just dont see how people can justify spending 2.8k when you can get a SCAR, that's like MARS H money right there.

>>63813483
you're gonna shoot the PCC a hell of a lot more than the .308 because the ammo is way cheaper and it's more pleasant to shoot. some might even say PCCs are fun to shoot. PCCs take shooting just to the fundamentals of aim and trigger control and the SMG lineage a lot of them has is cool as a fuck. if you're into suppressors they all can do subsonic ammo pretty well and relatively affordably and I don't think they're anything to scoff at as a home defense weapon. definitely better than the pistol most people have on their nightstands

>>63813483
if you had and shot guns you would already know no guns faggot

>>63813466
>calls me a retard
>can't read
>randomly brings up pistols in a pcc thread
>conveniently ignores the argument laid for reliable PCCs in competition

You do know that there are different divisions right? The most popular division doesn't allow 2011s. And you do know that 2011s are a staccato brand right? What you meant to say are double stack 1911s since not everyone is using a staccato. Many top guys have been winning using stock polymer pistols. Nils won against "2011s" using a turkshit polymer stock pistol and Brently finished 4th at nationals using a stock Glock. Some of the best shooters made their name off stock service pistols (Ben Stoeger Beretta, Vob Vogel Glock, Mason Lane X5 Legion), looks like you don't know anything about guns. Obviously not from a competition standpoint, and not even from a nerd standpoint, wow, a loser in your own hobby, how sad. See anon, this is why you don't listen to retards with zero experience. All their information and knowledge comes from blindly trusting boomer fudd forum posts.

>>63813505
lol fag, assmad as hell.

>>63813502
Ammo cost isnt an issue for me, spending 2.8k on a 9mm just makes zero sense not even a handgun

>>63813517
kys faggot, I've shot USPSA limited optics before. carry optics is just the CZ Shadow division anyways. the reliability of pampered competition guns kept in perfect conditions does not say anything to how reliably double stack single vs double feed double stack mags are. funny that you'd mention an engagement hacking grifter like ben stoeger and an unironic paid shill sigger like mason lane who literally gets paid by sig to advertise their crap and lives in new hampshire

>>63813483
>>63813500

See. The problem is that you're looking at it from the perspective of "muh shtf military killing power sniper fantasy". When the reality is that you're never going to end up in a situation where you are sniping down people and wishing you bought a 308 semi auto rifle instead of a PCC. It's not one or the other. I already have an AR with an optic on it for LARP retardation. The PCC in 9mm isn't for mental illness LARP where you pretend to be a militant combatant shooting at humans at 300 yards. The PCC is for use at the range or home defense. And not only that, but you can actually practice at realistic distances with a PCC since you can shoot at steel with it at 7 yards. You can go to a USPSA match and actually train/use your PCC to work on your movement, speed, accuracy, trigger pull, leans, etc. You'll get three times as much ammo put behind it, and if you were an actual shooter you'd know the value of that. And the skills translate over to your rifle LARP if one day you get your rambo fantasy fullfilled (though you'll die of your lack of insulin meds before you get into a shootout with a BLM nigger)

>>63813534
Nothing you said addresses any point I made. You're an unhinged and emotional retard obviously raised by a single mother by the way you type. Man she did a number on your brain. I feel sorry for you.

>>63813522
For most people ammo cost is a big deal this is very obvious. 9mm subguns are fun to shoot, easy to take a friend out and have them blast away without them hating the experience or you cringing about ammo cost.

>>63813522
Ammo costs arent an issue... But 2k is? You'll spend way WAY more on ammo if you actually shoot. And it's quite obvious you're poor since you're looking at guns from a perspective of 100% practicality as opposed to understanding they can exist for fun. And even then your viewpoint fails. You can only carry/use one rifle at a time. Doesn't matter how many "practical" rifles you own, you'll only be able to use/hold one at a time. Asking why one would own a 9mm PCC is like asking why a person would own a 22lr precision riflr, skeet/trap shotgun, a big game rifle, etc. You'd own it because it would meet your needs. If you don't compete or shoot incredible amounts of rounds downrange practicing at practical distances, then sure, it makes no sense for you to buy one.

>>63813565
I would've been perfectly fine and not bothered responding if you just said, "single feed double stack mags are reliable", but the moment you made the claim they're more reliable than double feed double stack mags I smelled blood in the water of a lying faggot

>>63813591
I gave my reasoning why. They feed directly into the chamber at one angle. There's less to go wrong in that regard. It's a simpler system and simplicity = reliability. So even if I am mistaken, which I don't believe I am, I am at least arguing in good faith. You on the other hand are just throwing personal insults at everything and everyone being mentioned because you actually have no argument. Btw those guys you called shills and grifters are National Champs in a shooting sport. But, for the sake of the argument, lets say they are grifters and shills. How does that take away from the fact that I used them simply to show that the sport doesn't rely on 2011s, but that one can become a champ using stock service pistols? When you disingenuously and quite femininely implied heavily that the sport is basically staccatos and thus somehow that means Glock mags aren't reliable? Lol. If there's one thing I know about women is that there's no point in wasting your time arguing with them. And that goes for their single mother raised offspring "men" as well. Goodluck on your next classifier match haha

>>63813607
NTA but people like glock mags because they're cheap and reliable and competition guys need a lot of mags. From an engineering turbo autism perspective the "complexity" is moot because PCCs have a much wider bolt and aren't confined to a pistol slide and the curvature of stuff like MP5 and Scorpion mags and the way they do bolt hold opens are theoretically more reliable. I don't think anyone in good faith can argue against the reliability of the MP5 platform

>>63813630
Proper glock mags (aka 33 stendos) aren't even cheap.

>>63812745
i reverse engineered indianapolis ordnance's stuff so i wouldn't have to pay for their atrocious prices and wait half a year for their shit to be in stock
>dont got a lotta spare time
i really doubt you'll have much trouble with rust bluing, you'll likely spend more time working for wages to have someone do it than just doing it yourself
and if you cheap out they'll just nitride it or something which wont look nearly as nice or close to the original look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lXeT2qzCi0

>>63813483
if you dont want a pcc then stop bothering with this stupid question
you get a pcc because it has a lot of firepower for its small size and you get a battle rifle because you're fine with lugging it around
nobody but you can tell you what your personal uses for firearms are
>>63812772
why do people even parkerize guns its so fucking ugly, even on 1911s
like theres only one cool looking gun with a parkerized finish and thats the cz52

>>63813442
>double stack single feed magazines are even more reliable
What

>>63793293 (OP)
I love this gun

>>63813630
>don't think anyone in good faith can argue against the reliability of the MP5 platform
That's a hilariously poor choice of examples that makes me doubt everything else you've said. MP5s have had to undergo design changes to help with reliability with JHPs and it's still a carp shoot. Of course to be fair JHP reliability is pretty much a crap shoot with any euro designed SMG like firearm whether it's an MP5, bog, or B&T.

>>63816827
>it used to be unreliable in the 90s so it still is!
Are you unironically retarded

Why?
Cheaper plinking?
Honestly most of this firearm category is over priced and over hyped.
Pistol chassis are the future of ultra compact PDW/PCC. They've come a long way since the macaroni.

stribros, what are you running in your SP10s? I finally caved and got one so I can have UMP at home

>>63817104
why? because its fun
and its also a lot handier than a rifle in home defense
and in the world of super safeties, the PCCs reigns as kings with the low recoil, high rate of fire, cheap ammo, and high mag capacity in any situation you might encounter as a civilian
unless for whatever reason you're fighting a SWAT team or the military and their armor is too thick for 9mm or they're tryna snipe you off at like 500 yards away

>>63817131
>and its also a lot handier than a rifle in home defense
>and in the world of super safeties, the PCCs reigns as kings with the low recoil, high rate of fire, cheap ammo, and high mag capacity in any situation you might encounter as a civilian
Is that not achievable with a pistol chassis? There are FRT and binary triggers available for glocks. Makes a whole lot more sense logistics wise.
>because its fun
This I understand. Sometimes you have a MIGHTY NEED for certain gun regardless of practicality.

>>63817393
>Is that not achievable with a pistol chassis
i mean, chassis are kind of an eyesore and are probably a pain to use, and theres enough small PCCs that i dont really need to convert a pistol into a carbine to get the same size
>Sometimes you have a MIGHTY NEED for certain gun
see now you get it
take the mp5 for example, its a massive gun in the modern day for a PCC being the size of a small AR and its horrendously expensive, but my dick just cant keep down around it

>>63796593
My experience shooting my buddy's B&Ts(has the kh9 and ghm9) is that they are unmatched in their fit and finish, but the trigger is made for a fully automatic weapon. In semi automatic it leaves a lot to be desired, especially at or close to 3K. Additionally, they tend to spit at you more than a roller subgun when suppressed since they are top charging
Try them for yourself if you can though ymmv.

I want one, but

>>63817131
PCCs are high recoil though compared to a 556. Blowback and heavy bullets. Cheap 9mm costs similar to cheap 556. 30 rnd mags vs 30 rnd mags.

>>63820491
Price?
Build quality?
Availability?

>>63820501
Are you trolling?

>>63820524
Nah, just "but I have absolutely no way to justify it"

>>63820756
Ahhhhh, same

Any modern PCCs with stainless or blued steel and wood furniture? I prefer flashy over tactical.

>>63821724
get a pre-ww2 kit gun

>>63820491
I just got one, its an incredibly mediocre shooting experience, possibly the most SPRIONG ive ever heard on an AR.

But good god is it a hot sexy meme

>>63794389
What's with the number on the stock?

>>63822142
Rack number from a used stock.

>>63820491
mp5 shits on that but that is very cool. Sexy gun bro

>>63822065
>its an incredibly mediocre shooting experience
Would a supersafety and a can change that?

>>63820491
>I want one
>>63822065
>god is it a hot sexy meme
>>63822785
>Sexy gun bro
You three have absolute fucking garbage taste. That gun looks utterly retarded.

>>63825937
>>63822065
>>63822785
I work in nuclear, that's why I want one, I already have my MP5 >>63793293 (OP)

>>63825937
You wouldn't get it....

>>63793293 (OP)
Anyone know any good compact 10mm options? My best bet seems to be SBRing a 10mm ruger LC carbine but even with a folding stock my overall length would be like 16" I wanna try to keep it around 12" ideally lower. Ive been considering a B&T USW chassis for a glock 20 but those dont really suppress super reliably. Anyone have any good options? Last ditch option is building a reverse stretch mp5k in 10mm

>>63793293 (OP)
heres how I burnt through alot of 9mm very quickly and feel nothing at the end of it

Which can should I get for my AP5? I want the Rugged Obsidian 9, anything else I should consider? Prefer tri-lug attachment

>>63829589
CAT MOB (HUB) is a really good weight to suppression can with aftermarket trilug options.

>>63793293 (OP)
Took my new AP5 to the range today, worked for the most part... But every time the mag started to get to about 25% capacity, it'd have issues feeding properly and cause failure to go into battery. Top off the mag, issues disappears, repeat. Thoughts? Wolff extra power mag springs? Had this issue both with the supplied MKE mag and the Magpul 50 round drum.

>>63825735
Full-retard makes anything more fun. I think a heavier buffer and flatwire sproing are the next ez steps, also a gooseneck mount and early red-dot.

>>63825937
>That gun looks utterly retarded.
Okay, go buy whatever new Euro 9mm Plastic Autisim Rectangle is on the market and let the retards have some 80s sovl fun.

I love my SD build, but fuck it gets so dirty so fast.

>>63793293 (OP)
I have a pretty big budget that I set aside for a PCC and I have a big gay boner for B&T products. I originally wanted a TP9 but the inability to use my own suppressor and has me looking at a USW-A1. Aside from price is there any reason I wouldn't just get a Flux or some brace equivalent?

>>63832333
At this price point just get the APC9k

>>63830297
First thing I do to all AP5 is replace the ejector lever and some springs. How do you like the magpul drum? Looks pretty cool.

>>63832333
Pistols suck ass dog I dont know what else to tell you. They are only good because you can shove them down your pants which I dont think you can even do with that frankstein, they are inferior to everything else in every way. Roller delayed PCC is the way to go.

>>63832368
I don't really want a large PCC, at that point I'd just use shoot my AR. The TP9 really would be perfect for what I'm looking for if it wasn't for the suppressor. I just want something with a stock to sling suppressed 9mm out of that's really tiny.

>>63830297
Ejector lever other anon recommended is a good choice, did mine too. Sounds like a mag problem but it's really weird that it's with all of them. Id order at least one genuine HK mag to rule that out and also a set of bolt gap gauges. My problems turned out to excessive bolt gap, symptoms were totally different though. You'll want the gauges regardless to check the gap after break in to make sure you don't need to swap rollers on it.

>>63832384
>large PCC,
Go to a gunstore and hold a mp5k or APC9k they are not big by anyone's metric not sure why you would compare them to an AR its almost the same size as the TP9. I also doubt the TP9 would be very fun to shoot its a basic blowback design with pistol ergos.

>>63832351
Drum is good, short of the issues when it gets low. That's probably more the gun and less the mag though since it's with multiple.

>>63832401
Gap is good. I've got feeler gauges and am already familiar with the full size roller guns.

>>63832465
No last round bolt is a nonstarter for me. I'm not nostalgic enough for a video game gun that I'd overlook it.

>>63832486
The APC9k has a last round bolt hold open and even if it didn't either would run laps around the TP9 while being more fun to shoot.
>I'm not nostalgic enough for a video game gun
Then why are you looking at a semi auto TP9

>>63829072
I'm not very knowledgeable about this but I remember a thread from some time ago where the mp5k was the best option but a tmp was the dream.

>>63832465
Pretty sure the TP9 is a delayed BB but I could be wrong on that

>>63799506
That looks really cool, anon.
But... It also looks like it weighs 150 pounds lmao

>>63793293 (OP)
>Raider on sale locally with a guccies out 320 in it for $1400
Seriously tempted, but think the smarter choice might just be getting a chassis and a cheapo used 320

>>63794233
come back when youre 18

>>63832858
>Status update: randomly checked flux's website, raiders in stock, am now $540 bucks poorer
RIP, but in a good way

>>63832465
TP9 is smaller and lighter, and is delayed blowback. Dumdum.

>>63832384
despite the sig drama the flux raider chassis guns are a lot of fun. the p320 flux is pretty reasonable now.

Don't mind me just mogging every other PCC out there

>>63832806
>>63833186
TP9 is not roller delayed its a oversized plastic pistol with a stock.

>>63833311
it is literally delayed blowback though stop being dumb. you can look this up right now.

>>63833311
No one said roller delayed you absolute fucking retard.

>>63833326
>>63833350

>>63832368
>Roller delayed PCC is the way to go.
>>63833311
>TP9 is not roller delayed

I would like the court to note these niggers cannot read. Enjoy your shitty oversized pistols little bros I love outshooting them with my mp5k ;)

>>63833372
Counterpoint: that retard said they were direct blowback and no one cares what the dipshit further up said.

>>63833384
The only retards here are dropping coin on shittier versions of PCC that is just a pistol with stock. Its not even close but it doesn't matter because you all don't shoot anyways and kiss your ugly cousins.

>>63833433
I'm sorry you're poor dude it'll get better for you eventually

>>63833450
>people sticking their glocks in airsoft grade plastic chassis saying they are just as good are not poor
>people buying mp5s and APC9s are actually poor because uhhhh

>>63832554
What did the TP9 gain notoriety from? APC9k is too big for what I'm looking for.
>>63833193
I'm sort of seeking to emulate that exact setup with the USW.
>>63833433
I have no doubt an actual subgun could outshoot something like this but it's the weight and size that are appealing to me.

>>63832384
>>63832486
Just get a Flux dude

>>63833527
You're attacking other people for what you perceive to be frivolous spending meaning you're financially insecure. It's okay dude we've all been there I'm rooting for you!

I own all of them myself and they're all fun to shoot hope you get there too some day

>>63833735
Lots of people will buy the flux instead of a real PCC thinking its just as good or cool because of tic toc and have that as their only PCC instead of saving their money and getting something decent. What percentage of ppl do you think have the money to buy everything or never feel the cost? What a dumb thing to say.
>they're all fun to shoot
What a nothing cop out

>>63833450
my brother in Christ you're the one dropping pistols into shells to make cope PCCs

>Fluxtards
I remember when it was the levergats/.22lr rifles that were the ass pimple on PCC threads. If you're gonna niggerrig a pistol into a carbine at least do it with some class.

>>63833372
>also doubt the TP9 would be very fun to shoot its a basic blowback design
You obviously meant direct aka simple blowback, googled it, and are trying to save face. cope harder fag lmao

>>63833870
The USW is as much as B&Ts other offerings. If a lightweight 9mm with a stock is what I'm after what's wrong with it? Again I don't really want a subgun.

>>63833870
Eh, I'm pretty poor but even I own 2 fullsize PCCs(scorpion and ap5). The raider or TP9 just makes more sense than an mp5k or similar IMO. I'm not saying they're useless, just that the practical niche most people would think that they're filling with one of them is probably better filled by the mag in grip designs.

>people unironically shilling the TP9
is this a prank? like you'd have to have never actually shot one to be able to advocate it beyond range meme....

>>63833870
I have a flux. I have a TP9. I have an MP5. I have like 12 other PCCs.
Flux is probably my favorite until I can get the GRW trigger for the TP9. Cope harder.

>>63834109
Do tell, what's wrong with it? I'll give you the trigger as a freebie.

>>63833946
Nothing to save face from its a basic design and not the sweet kraut magic of the roller delayed action. I've had many friends who doubted the mp5 and very quickly changed their tone shooting it irl and going head to head with me on my mp5.
>>63834043
Your use case might be very different than most people and to be honest I don't fully know what yours is. I got my mp5k so I could shoot 9mm for cheap fun, put in a tiny bag I can keep on my person in case of a riot or higher danger level that gives me more advantage over a pistol, keep in my truck handy if needed again for same reason. B&T is a good company I personally don't see the use case I think if im taking out a gun with a stock that means its a extended dangerous situation shooting further than 10 yards I would rather a real PCC on my person and leave edc to small double stack pistol. Best thing you could do imo is go to the range and rent mp5 or APC9 and a flux raider and see if the difference is enough to swing you one way or another. I think its enough of a performance difference to eat the weight and size diff you might think its not.
>>63834085
The ap5 greatly out performs a flux raider and I don't find the flux raider to be much more concealable. The flux is lighter so there's that.

>>63834109
>beyond range meme
What else would I be using any of these guns for? You're probably one of those faggots that justifies it as a transitional 'truck gun' for shooting niggers during early collapse. I'd buy a TP9 in a heartbeat if it didn't frequently break and could take a non-proprietary can.

>>63834109
The kind of person to take the TP9 seriously is the same type to blindly buy it, SBR it and get the proprietary can and only discover its "eccentricities" when they finally take it to the range after all of that. It's best to just let nature take its course and have them learn themselves.
>>63834255
Charging handle has a history of breaking and as of five months ago still seems to be an issue. Really doesn't suppress well, somehow its worse than a chassis Glock. Just by shooting it you can tell this was built around being FA first and foremost, and like shooting an open-bolt converted, SA-only SMG you know the soul is just not there.

Absolutely no one who owns a TP9 will tell you it's their best gun and that's it's a range toy first and foremost. If you're a big RE4 fan or something by all means get your Leon on, but it is not a practical choice by any means.

>>63834300
if you're getting a range toy might as well get one that's actually enjoyable to shoot

>>63834237
sure thing bud.

>>63834307
>>63834329
>range toy
Everything discussed in this thread is a range toy.

>>63834413
And I'm telling you it's pretty shit at even that.

>>63834237
>I have like 12 other PCCs.
Boy that sounds legit lmfao

>>63834293
So you're >>63834300 this? You're never going to need a fucking truck gun. I've shot the APC9, the GHM9 and the SCP9 - literally all of B&T PCC catalogue short of the KH9 - I don't want any of them. I've shot the Raider and I liked it conceptually but wanted the B&T equivalent. My use case is the same as yours - I want something that's fun to shoot - I'm just not a pedantic faggot about it who thinks he's going to slot a nigger in egress from the New George Floyd favelas of future America.

>>63834429
You have shot this extremely niche gun of limited import?

>>63834307
>Charging handle has a history of breaking
The stock hinge too, to the point some vendors offer a service explicitly for that. It honestly has no right to be polymer and I don't know what they were thinking.

I like B&T but the TP9 is so far the closest thing to a SIG product they've made

>>63834484
Anon it's been imported for a number of years now...

>>63834513
In extremely small numbers - it didn't even take off in its initial contract run. Your non-answer tells me that no, you haven't shot it.

>>63834535
Like many B&T products it comes in batches. You can buy them off GB for $2500 right now. This is not some hyper rare unicorn. Have I owned one? No. Did I shoot one, suppressed, at one of the bigger shooting matches in Tennessee last year? Yes.

I'm sorry your dream gun isn't all it's cracked up to be, but you might learn yourself first hand. If you have the money, you can readily get one online and do just that. Let us know how it goes for you.

>>63834562
Who is calling it a dream gun? I want this in the same way that I want a station six - caring about practicality in a hobby just tells me that you have a finite budget and rationalize all of your purchases with imagined hypotheticals that you will never get to realize. I don't think you've shot one but instead want to continue being a whiny faggot in a thread about range toys as if any of these are practical in the face of the rifle caliber carbines that long replaced them in real world scenarios.

>>63834466
>You're never going to need a fucking truck gun.
Eat my dick people get shot in their cars all the time where I live. You not noticing or not living near brownies is not my problem.
>I just want something that's fun to shoot
Then why are you going for the secret agent concealable PCC pistol with a brace? why does it need to be so small and light? bro what lol

>>63834610
Uhhh...okay? Not really sure why you're mad or trying to dismiss anything I have to say. It can be had online right now and isn't that difficult to get, or even that expensive really, so I don't really get why you're implying it's impossible to have ever shot one. You do you though. Have a good one.

>>63834634
Why does weight and size mean that I need to have a burning desire to shoot brown people with it? Why do you live near brown people to begin with? When would you realistically use an MP5k in a carjacking over a pistol? It's a range toy and that's okay.

>>63834443
Let me rattle them off from the top of my head here:

Vector 9mm
Linda 9mm
TP9
Cx4 9mm
AP5
Jard J68
Calico
Flux glawk
Roni glawk
PS90 if you count that
Sub2k 9mm
Banshee 9mm

Probably a few more that I'm forgetting. Do you guys not like guns? Trying to add a spectre with the stock but they never come up for sale anymore.

>>63834535
Lmfao EuroOptic gets them in like every 4-6 months or something, that is not a "hard to acquire" gun at all.

>>63834636
I think the only one here that's upset is you for not being taken seriously regarding a range toy in a thread about range toys. Maybe if you didn't type like a pedantic faggot, I wouldn't call you a pedantic faggot.

>>63834703
Okay.

>>63834692
I'm implying he didn't shoot it because he's a vague posting faggot talking about a gun that didn't see mainstream commercial success. If he did shoot it he would probably enumerate on why it's a piece of shit. Instead he cries about practicality because he apparently lives around way too many brown people.

>>63834484
>>63834610
>>63834703
>what's wrong with TP9????
>here is what's not exactly ideal about it
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
lol faggot

>>63834665
>Why does weight and size mean that I need to have a burning desire to possibly defend myself with it
Because it implies you are trying to conceal it why else would weight and size be such a large priority? If its a pure range toy why could you not get something bigger or heavier? Are you on medication or something?

>>63834740
I'm talking about the USW you illiterate fag - I don't want a TP9 because it's cucked by proprietary suppressors as I have mentioned two to three times in this thread.

>>63834737
I'm really confused, I listed that the charging handle has a tendency to break, that it doesn't suppress all that well with its proprietary can, and that it is missing a critical part of its intended capability by not being FA. Another anon pointed out that the stock hinge has had a history of breaking. You can disagree with these things, but you cannot say I didn't explicitly lay out why I don't think it's that good of a gun. Going into histrionics doesn't help anything.

>>63834748
Wanting a small framed 9mm with a stock means I need to want to kill minorities with it? Are you off medication or something?

Would you faggots stop responding to the schizoid, he's either acting like this on purpose to get attention or he's actually mentally ill

>>63834671
How's the Linda?

>>63834782
Probably because you don't realize what gun I'm referring to - I already said from the onset of my post that I don't want a TP9 you retarded nigger.

>>63834806
It's a piece of dogshit but I love it to death, wanna pick up the pistol barrel for it sometime since I just have the 16" one

>>63834737
Nah bitch, you said it was a
>extremely niche gun of limited import
Like you don't even know what that is, if I can just yoink it off the net after 30 seconds of searching it ain't that lol. The PP19 I shot a couple years back? That's a "extremely niche gun of limited import."

>>63834814
The discussion has been about the qualities of the TP9 from the beginning. You're either just being obtuse or are arguing about something not being discussed. Please do better.

>>63834814
all of this from my initial post >>63834109 to >>63834307 and >>63834562 was about the TP9 you shrieking bitch, no one gives a shit about the USW or has even talked about it so go kill yourself

>>63834910
>PP19 I shot a couple years back
Real deal or one of those LMI clones?

>>63834965
>"I like gun #1 but won't buy it because of x, y, z and instead want gun #2"
>"akshually the tp9 isn't practical because I can't kill blacks with it like I can my mp5k!!!"
>"you're a larping faggot"
You should kill yourself.

>>63835012
I'm not sure what LMI is or was aware clones were being made, but yeah, real deal transferable MG. Pretty cool, but unfortunately lol9x18.

>>63835056
take your meds schizo, all your raving about killing darkies just makes you seem more unhinged

>>63835070
Tell that to the faggot that thinks he's going to use his range toy for just that via >>63834293 and >>63834634

>>63835082
don't fucking care, you're a schizo and can't form coherent lines of thought. don't talk to me anymore you're fucking exhausting to interact with.

>>63835090
>I'm not a complete faggot you're exhausting waaaahhh
you sound like a gay sodomite

>>63835056
Someone said the TP9 wasn't that good, you asked for details, he provided them, then you spiraled from there. You're embarrassing yourself. Just get your "backpack gun" or whatever and stop whining online.

>>63834484
Think you're being a bit generous there?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1107176597

>>63835115
yeah black people and gay sex, not surprised your mind just reverts to that constantly lmao. fucking /pol/ tourists man.

>>63834930
So I think the issue is he think you are >>63834634 going by what he said at the end of >>63834737. If he calmed down and stopped flailing he might put two and two together but he's likely just too far into the hole he dug.

>>63835117
If he wasn't referring to the gun I was referring to he probably should have clarified. You can pretend nobody is talking about the same gun I am but he cited it again here >>63834634 because I called him a larping faggot.
>>63835127
Read here >>63834777 you faggot.

>>63835155
But the other anon was clearly talking about the TP9 via >>63834307, you're the only one he seems to be bringing up the USW at all.

>>63835155
No, I am not the graph anon, try again.
>>63835155
>If he wasn't referring to the gun I was referring to he probably should have clarified
I didn't need to do that, because I was always talking about the TP9. That started here >>63834307
You got confused, interjected into a discussion about a totally different topic, and dug your heels in. Once again, please do better.

>>63835155
EVERYTHING FROM >>63834109 DOWN IS ABOUT THE TP9 YOU BLIND FUCKING TYRONE

I will say one thing that hasn't changed for /k/ despite all of the bullshit that's flooded into it since 2016; weekends are peak dipshittery hours.

I like my TP9 why are y'all so hostile against them?

>expensive mountain jew shit
lol yeah
>it suppresses like shit, proprietary can
lmao yeah
>trigger sucks it was made for full auto
Correct but the break is clean if you shoot off the wall like you ought to. Needlessly heavy but aftermarket triggers exist.
>charging handle breaks
If you twist it like a retard, yes. Again aftermarket exists.
>LARP gun not suited for duty!
Anything that isn't in an intermediate cartridge and also an AR15 isn't meant for serious roles, nonargument.

>>63822065
>possibly the most SPRIONG ive ever heard on an AR
Flat wire springs are correct for retro builds but because of how fucking annoying they are if you want to actually have an enjoyable experience, replace it with a chrome silicon round spring and coat it with super lube when installing it. I don't own retro ARs but that's what I did for two of my ARs and my recoil springs are completely silent

talk me out of it lads
It feels so much comfier than the railed one they have

>>63835257
i dunno man even by your own omission it seems pretty mid.

>>63835410
Those are its detriments, its positives are it can be holstered, concealed, is absurdly lightweight, and is delayed blowback.

>>63835235
qrd on that can?

>>63835235
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it til I die: the 2016 election & election tourists were the worst fucking thing to happen to this site since hiroshimoot took over.

>>63835544
Just an Omega9k, kinda the standard for PCCs.

>>63835235
The rest of us are at the range

>>63835686
Yeah I spent some time there today too.

>>63835721
I took a friend from Oregon and let them try "all the things"
The pussed out at the .50AE though

>>63835733
TBF .50AE kinda sucks to shoot, but you should at least do it when given the opportunity just to say you did. I always like to let normies try out the SVT-40 as a misery gun.

>>63835755
Oh it's not that bad, just keep fingers away from the moving parts. It's a heavy gas gun anyway.

Mp5 posting
>>63835778
damn thats sexy

>> 63835831
hola gente como estan
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onions nuevo de que es el tema??

>>63795187
What is the best side rail for the p90

>>63835877
>>63835886
I don't get it nothing about my post was hispanic.

>>63832486
>No last round bolt is a nonstarter
Understandable if you have already trained a lot on AR15 or something similar, but otherwise it's not a huge deal with MP5 in particular once you realize you can treat each and every situation where gun does not fire by locking the bolt open first and then looking at the ejection port... It's somewhat similar to running an open bolt SMG where your first reaction to any stoppage is to pull the bolt back.

>>63794411
Is the AEMS just the crab of rifle red dot optics? Everything you need, nothing you don’t, small and light. This is what it struck me as when it released. I see it on every rifle now.

>>63793880
how do you like that CAT can?

one day my dream will be real

>>63838317
Is that monstrosity real? I can’t tell if it’s photoshopped.

>go to LGS
>ordered an AR15, left a small deposit
>then just passing time, buy some .22LR
>hey let me have a look at that PMX
>€ 1800+
Well, that chubby slut will stay there, I'll wait for the slimboy

Should I get a sub2000 i have a 365xl and shoot 124gr +p gold dot already. I got a sar b6p because I wanted something bigger to shoot than a micro gun. It's fun but it would be nice to get something I can shoulder like a PCC and it would be easier if it was a 9mm instead of getting an ar15

>>63793839
ruger jammed the caliber in a revolver therefore yes
luv m1's
simple as

>>63832333
It's awful, it's literally an overpriced Sphinx pistol with a non - reciprocating red dot and a shitty flexible polymer stock. Aside from choosing SIGSHIT as it's main pistol platform, the Flux Raider is superior in every way.

>>63833326
You're confusing rotating bolt for roller delayed.

>>63837585
I have a mob on my kuna. I've never shot a different can so I don't know what to compare it to but there is basically no objectionable amount of gas and it's quiet as fuck

>>63838363
the hole for the bolt handle to travel backwards gives it away

>>63838365
>€

>>63798258
the only answer is a .357/.38. you get ridiculously quiet subs (.38) and can also use higher velocity rounds (.357) if you actually want to use the gun for anything other than range fun WITHOUT having to reload your own ammo. you can get slowpoke .38's and .357 +P hollow points all on the same shelf at the gunstore.

FYI I would avoid the MAC-5K and just get the MKE.

That being said, my MAC-5K has around 4900 rounds through it and seems to be doing solid. Most current run is 750 rounds flawless no malfunctions.

Anxiously awaiting a drop in FRT/SS trigger pack for these roller guns.

>>63838317
What an abomination
This is beautiful. Like what happens to dandelion's in The Zone. I'll see what I can do with this someday, see you in a few years.

>>63846666
C-checked, mega Satan

>>63835354
I like mine, but without the weird little spring bufferpad of the railed target version you might feel cheek slap as the bolt cycles. I've never been bothered by it, but my dad didn't like it. He preferred his TS version to my Classic.