Thread 63794902

Post gear, discuss gear
High-speed low-drag edition
Previous: >>63737490

Previous thread confirmed that Emerson make Arcteryx-style kneepads. I'm thinking based.
> https://www.amazon.com/Military-Equipment-Paintball-Shooting-Protective/dp/B00KTEYYIQ
Remember: GQ is also /pfg/. And, ugh, /bag/. (Soon also /nvg/ will be assimilated -- you know this.)

>>63794932
>Sucking tactical dick in the dark starter pack

>>63794946
I didn't get those recommendations, bro. Maybe Amazon is trying to tell you something.

This 'general' is completely dead.

Every thread is just the same few autistic faggots endlessly circlejerking over esoteric armor specs of plates they've never seen IRL and will never wear or need. Then the only posts which aren't "NIJ 0.01101 XSAPI LIBA Special Threat III++" are aggressive poorfag spamming of useless infographics listing shit-tier chinese airsoft replica gear.

Fuck off and make your own body armor thread.

Fuck off to /toy/ and make your own airsoft thread.

Failing that, fuck off from /k/ and kill yourselves.
You are an actual cancer upon this board.

Good news! A US-China trade deal is tentatively reached and the tariffs will be significantly reduced. That means Militech, among other things, may soon be back on the menu.

>https://thehill.com/business/5337368-us-china-trade-talks-london/

>>63794932
Based.

>>63794946
Aliexpress gets you all that or equivalent cheaper, but same day shipping...

>>63795048
Most people have gone off to Discord, Telegram, etc. /k/'s too full of retards and spam for most people to waste their time here. You think /gq/ is dead *now*? Do I need to remind you that only a few months ago, there were entire days without a /gq/ thread at all? /bag/ died, /pfg/ died, and /gq/ was on life support until more topics were folded into these threads.

This isn't a /gq/ specific problem. Damn near every general only has a handful of posters. Look at /arg/. It's the same 25 people every thread.

>>63795412
>/pfg/ died
I wish it didn’t. One of my favorite threads

i got a couple of these baofengs im trying to get set up for me and the boys to use. basically all the stuff online is really gay like "uh do you have a license" tier.
i went through and set up dual watch, turned off the yapping bitch, high tx power.
my plan is to just put in a handful of VHF and UHF channels.
is there any other shit to do?

>>63795569
Start here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jFn7ZGVldg

Then go here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ_JzivmjyI&t=778s

Use chirp, that way you can save the channels and duplicate them across all your comms. It's easier to say "go to channel X", than trying to get everyone to type in the same frequencies.

>>63795048
this, this thread died when you fags started arguing about armor specs about shit you don't even own

>>63795575
what frequencies do you use?
i figure using the MURS bands is where the least traffic will be. i don't really care about the legality of transmitting on the wrong bands but i'd rather not shit up emergency lines or whatever.

Savotta is making a belt kit, but it's in a weird 3 piece belt, do you think it will be comfortable

>>63795910
Crye blast belts were massively popular years ago, and I think they were 3 pieces held together by the belt.

>>63795671
MURS is "safe" if you watch power. GMRS gets you more legal power but people will want a callsign on the high-power channels. GMRS callsigns are cheap, good for the whole family, and no test. You can use repeaters in the area to get more range.

>>63795423
They collectively got suckered by the 4SAS4s so bad.

>>63794902 (OP)
With probably a riot summer coming up, what are actual scenarios in which youd overtly wear a PC in civil unrest or SHTF, and how much should that be dictating what the average /gq/ kit is?
Been thinking of this and what I'd actually carry that isn't just mirroring late GWOT SOF kits.
In addition to mags/coms/ifak I've thought way more medical, more general first aid, dispersion shit like of spray, airsoft smokes or flashbangs(probably useless), gas mask(backpack probably).
Maybe I'm retarded but I like gear and trying to keep alive dying general thanks

I need some good socks that can endure hikes and look okay in the office. Preferably wool and thick enough for mild winters (normally 20s-40s, occasionally dips below 0)
Any suggestions?

>>63797086
Gas mask is important. Overt PC is risky because it makes you look like a combatant. Low-vis PE plates like the Hesco 3801LV could be useful, but if the ARPs are rolling green tips it can't help you. Think how you'll look in front of a jury if shit goes down Rittenhouse style.
Take first aid courses, carry a small but good pry bar in case you need to get off the street.

>>63797086
you know you can get actual real smokes not just airsoft shit

>>63794902 (OP)
What are some options for suspenders for a belt kit? Must include a 4 column wide molle panel on the back for a hydration carrier.

>>63794965
Yeah I got a 3lb gummy worm instead of the towel.

>>63797668
Tactical diabetes

>>63794902 (OP)
>go pro
attention seeker

>>63797678
Haha yeah. It's definitely for eating.

>>63795671
MURS is fine. No one cares, especially if you're just larping in the woods with frens.

>>63797653
surplus Eagle Industries H-Harness

>>63797699
Gotta be just the suspenders I already have all the rest.

>>63795569
Ive been having a similar issue. I got a pair of GD77s at a good price and I cant wade through the ham Karens to get useful radio larp info. Doesn't help that im probably too dumb for radio.

>>63797718
NC Scout's books are a good primer.

>>63797112
Costco wool blend socks. 4 pack for like $15. Also available on Amazon if you don't have a Costco membership.

>>63794902 (OP)
What's with the rise in popularity of skate shoes for tacticool setups? I imagine the argument is something like
>w-well you're not actually going to be going hiking, no one sets up spike traps anymore, arch support is a myth, so why bother wearing combat boots when you could wear something cool?
but then why skate shoes instead of whatever the latest hypebeast running shoe is?

>>63797086
My whole neighborhood is essentially walled off from the outside. Before I even moved here a bunch of guys formed a “prepper group” and laid out plans to block off the roads leading in. So basically the plan is to kit up and keep anyone who isn’t one of us out. God it feels good to live in a majority white area with shitloads of gun owners.

>>63798254
Hypebeasts are into looking like they skate. It’s been going on for decades it just bled into gun “culture.”

>>63795412
>25 people
generous, it's like 10 at most

>>63797709
Sord patrol order

>>63798400
Hell yeah thanks.

Chest rig, or belt kit for an LBE? I've been leaning more towards a split chest rig, only because I already have a battle belt, and would like to be able to wear that as well.

>>63798353
Somebody posted a detailed explanation of this in the recent GBRS Group thread.
Basically, the guys who started these Hypefag companies are boomers in their 40s and 50s. When they were young, before they joined the military in their late teens or early 20s, skating was the "cool" thing to do. When they were in the military, these guys lost touch with pop culture, so never had a chance to update their opinions on anything. After leaving the military, these boomers LARP as skaters, because they think it's still the ultimate "cool" thing.
They're really the ultimate consoooomers and trend-followers.

>>63794902 (OP)
Where can I find NIR complaint NIR Jietai Type 2 fabric? An anon on the previous thead recommended Japanese airsoft sites and Geartles.
I doubt stuff on Japanese Airsoft sites would would be NIR complaint?
Fireforce Venture has Jietai but they confirmed that isn't.

>>63794902 (OP)
hey, pic related is two M23 rebels from the dr congo. My question is if anyone knows what the pad type thing attached to the right breast of their armor is for?

>>63799061
I have never seen these before or heard of such a thing but I can immediately tell what they are for. Apply yourself.

>>63799061
Only time I've seen them before is on the CAGE carrier prototypes, but it makes sense contextually. A well fed white boy will generally have enough exposed shoulder to rest his butt on, but any skinny African stick figure would get lost in a mass issued vest.

>>63799061
Dude it's a stock pad. Like half of the world's militaries use or have used them. Popular with big game hunters, too.

>>63799093
>>63799092
>>63799068

... i'd actually thought that but then totally dismissed that idea since it looks like such shitty positioning. aliexpress bs at it's finest i guess.

>>63799108
Chyna is balls deep in africa.

>>63798968
>I'm a fat fortnite-playing zoomer incel who never once played outside as a kid
Imagine criticizing someone for being able to do basic gross motor skills like riding a skateboard. Sorry you never had a dad to play catch with. I bet you've never scrunched up a piece of paper and thrown it at the trashcan because deep down you know you'll miss.

>>63799254
Which company is yours?

>>63795412
>industry is stale and nothing new is being developed
>republican president gives people sense of security
>reddit Ukraine spammers pushed people away
>every conversation devolves into nonsense about optics or armor plate quality

>>63800008
pretty much yea, but the Ukie stuff really turned this place to shit. Europeans and browns are so fucking annoying.

>>63795920
I'll probably buy it, I'll make a review for the thread

anyone got recs a nice horizontal TQ pouch for my belt. Seems like a nice way to carry an extra TQ.
was looking at the guerilla tactical pouch

>>63800008
>industry is stale and nothing new is being developed
Nothing substantially new, sure. There tends to be roughly month long gaps between fads that people jump on. It was the super cheap 4SUS4s, then the SMSchizo HFXC for a while, then that Oneleaf thermal. Next move I think will be a Oneleaf-level price:performance thermal drone, or maybe someone takes one for the team and sees how the stuff in pic related works.
>republican president gives people sense of security
Political views aside, this should be the "calm waters" period where people prep. Ammo prices tend to go up when democrats make substantial gains. Only problem is that the tariffs (in the long term) will still price people out of workable Chinese gear, such as Emerson uniforms, Militech carriers / plates, Oneleaf thermals, Holosun red dots, etc. A deal has been reached that may get Militech back on the table, hopefully.
>reddit Ukraine spammers pushed people away
Pushed people into discords, more like.
>every conversation devolves into nonsense about optics or armor plate quality
Guilty as charged! The armor industry, while historically advancing at a glacial pace, is not stale and new stuff comes out all the time. It's also (by far) the shadiest gun-adjacent industry and we've got a few guys here that have been around the block a few times and have seen the shit. In the last couple threads alone, we had the Hesco 3814 (which is a mediocre III++ that would have been very competitive twenty years ago), RMA (blegh) XRT, the cheap Fillin ceramic tile array plates from Russia, India crash coursing boron carbide / PE armor and driving right past Hesco, a bunch of random high-coverage stuff from Jinwudun, like two bullshit armor companies (Rook and another), I could go on.
>optics
Night vision and thermals especially, because they're cheat codes and it makes sense to talk about them in the greater scope of gear that /gq/ covers.

>>63798950
Different mission sets and personal preference. Belt kits allow you to combine your first (immediate gear), second (fighting gear), and third (sustainment) line with a buttpack. You can carry a very large number of magazines with belt kits.
If you use your chest rig with a battle belt, you have two separate lines and can take your fighting gear off without removing your EDC / basic medical / hydration if that's how you have your belt set up. That makes it more complicated but also scalable.
Chest rigs are lower drag, higher speed, lower duration. Add belt + backpack and you can get duration back at the expensive of speed and drag.
Belt kits are higher drag, lower speed, higher duration. Easier all-in-one solution however..

>>63795575
this was ultimately pretty useful and basically answered my questions.
also cool feature: you can transmit over the national weather service frequencies and it jams them on nearby radios. feels very illegal.

>>63801927
>very illegal
Illegal indeed, there hopefully isn't an 85yo elmer with too much time on his hands nearby.

>>63797086
>What's an actual scenario where you would want a PC
I live where the suburbs turn to rurals and I hate going into the city, although I do volunteer at a museum in the southern side. Being there if shit kicked off is the only reason I can brain out where I would want one, otherwise I have your modern chest rig & pack and blah blah. I wanna start building up a belt kit as my mainline gear, I'm starting to think they're the most versatile.

>>63801980
>Being there if shit kicked off is the only reason I can brain out where I would want one
Curious as to the logistics of this. You're volunteering at the museum, how do you keep the platecarrier accessible if you're there? I assume trunk of car. IIIA soft is often more concealable and can be worn on you in more circumstances. This also depends on threat model.
>>63798304
That's a nice setup. Is there a surveillance setup around the "walls" so to speak or is the expectation that there's no reasonable way in other than the roads?
Most neighborhoods aren't really built for defense, and it only takes a couple of minutes for modern McMansions to burn down, so I'd nonetheless be concerned about 2AM arson if riots got out of control. Fire extinguishers are a basic but often overlooked prep if you don't already have a bunch.
It would probably be helpful to group-fund a Mavic 2 Enterprise ($5k) so you have sky-based thermal to avoid flanks, but I don't know your layout.

>>63795910
If the pads are exactly the right size and adjusted for the wearer's hips, it should ride perfect.

>>63797653
Eagle's H-Harness.
>>63797699
Nice setup! Pic is an older one of my rig.
>>63798950
Depends on your mission/larp but decent belt order is hard to beat for comfort and access to your gear.

>>63802034
>Curious as to the logistics of this. You're volunteering at the museum, how do you keep the platecarrier accessible if you're there? I assume trunk of car. IIIA soft is often more concealable and can be worn on you in more circumstances. This also depends on threat model.
It's the kind of org that allows personal storage, a lot of us do work on exhibits with our own tools, so I legitimately have a Rubbermaid tote of prepper shit no one knows about. i could easily keep a ready PC in there along with my other shit.

>>63802494
A 6094 ULV combo'd with thin SRTs like Hesco U210s could make for an excellent "getting the fuck out of the city" setup. Less than overt thickness, light, capable against most 5.56 and 7.62x39.
This is unsafe, lawsuit bait, and not recommended, but a BE Meyers GLARE MOUT could be useful as a gun-mounted dazzler to dissuade crowd rushes. It's an eye-frying 100mW+ vis laser. Brick shithouse construction.
Also, expect similarly powerful eBay lasers to go around future riots. If you want to avoid eye damage, consider perhaps some laser protective glasses like the ex-mil S.P.E.C.S, brown lens. They're $15 or so on eBay.

Any radio needs have a opinion on this setup?

for context my state has a decent amount of repeaters and dmr repeaters.

>Anytone 878 (plus or whatever newest model)
>DISCO32 Kenwood plug
>Comtac headset adapter
>comtac boom mic

For ref headset is a Comtac V.

Unless you guys have a rec for the type of impedence/noise for this setup that's cheaper and better.

>>63803437
Seems solid. Latest model is the 878UVII Plus. It's a 7-watt radio so it has plenty of power outside of 300% larp jammer situations.

Speaking of 300% larp, I've put together a quick and dirty shields infographic. The consumer-level ones are surprisingly cheap, but you play the same reputation game you do with plates, except there's no CPL to hold your hand, so you have to be careful. Steel and Chinese ceramic/composite dominate this arena like a prepper booth at a gun show in 2012.

I want to get a surplus hydration carrier, how do bladders work? Is there a industry standard or do I need to get one specific for it? I could get one with the bladder but surplus water bag sounds like a nightmare to clean.

>>63803614
They're pretty standard if you just get a camelback bladder. There's a few that are proprietary, but for the most part, your standard chinese bladder will fit in whatever you get.

>>63803614
usually its just done by liters or size so it will say like 3L backpack or like 100oz and you get whatever liters the hydration pack is. There are Source bladders that are more durable but obscenely expensive they fit in certain backpacks made for that.

Honestly id just get one that already has a bladder you can clean it out with bleach and let it air dry.

>>63799048
Bro, I promise you that Japanese clooner autists will produce the most accurate fabric possible.

>>63803695
Do you have sites for these clooner autists? I smell an infographic brewing.
>/gq/ Gear Queer Japanese Clooner's Guide

Current list:
1. Used armor guide planned last thread
2. Night vision / thermal guide
3. Russian equipment buyers' guide
4. First aid infographic
5. Redoing magazine pouch infographic

>>63794902 (OP)
Are books gear? I am curious if there are any declassified army manuals for long sustainment, Deep cover, wilderness or otherwise unhospitable territory where supplies prepared months earlier just isn't an option.

ChatGPT, I choose you!
>>63803726
>sustainment
FM 4-0
>deep cover
FM 90-2
>wilderness
FM 21-76 or 3-05.70
>unhospitable
If cold 31-70, for general stuff TR350-29.

Okay, so I found that most of the hydration carriers are pretty similar in price. I even saw a OCP one cheaper than the ACU with new bladder. I like the FILBE one though since it has the pouch and pockets so I wouldn't have to put them on, and is at least brown. But the bladder looks weird, it's wide, not narrow and long like the army ones and it is expensive and I don't see any ones for sale on ebay with new bladers for like $20 like the other army ones. Does that need a specialized one? I there a camelbak number to cross reference for commercial ones since the issue one is a camelbak bladder?

>>63803770
just get a Camelbak on Ebay in whatever color you want. If you need an actual backpack then choose accordingly. I just snagged a 170 dollar Camelbak for pennies on the dollar.

>>63803770
It's actually crazy how complicated you're making this.

https://www.camelbak.com/shop/m.u.l.e.-100oz-mil-spec-crux/CB-1742.html?dwvar_CB-1742_color=Coyote

Here, now fuck off.

I have new meta buy 10 liter water pack used by IDF it weighs 22 pounds when full but is a MULTI-MAN HYDRATION STATION FOR LONG-TERM SUSTAINMENT AND FIELD OPERATIONS.

WATERMAXX.

Are you supposed to tuck in a raid mod BDU top?

>>63803917
Generally yes, because you probably have things on your belt you need to get to. Tucking it in also gives you a "pouch" to put spent mags and shit in.

>>63803770
The USMC camelbak uses a 3 liter wide bladder, however it will fit a 2 liter one fine, I did that for years. Marines are given the bladders to keep when they turn in the carrier. They're not really a good shape for any civilian purposes IMO

The USMC camelbak is really meant for PT first and foremost, the pockets are great for your phone wallet keys.

>>63798950
Battle jacket
Get a split rig like the ATAPS, an eagle MAP amd H harness, then whatever pouches you want. I recommend triple mag shingles for ammo, canteen pouch for extra water or gp use, ifak, and some smaller pouches for flashlights or multi tools. Can be compined with a belt for extra utility. Ill post a pic later of mine, it's not quite finished yet. So far I really like it, I'm a huge fan of the SADF battle jacket, and nobody else makes anything remotely similar to it except maybe the FLC which I despise for personal reasons. So I explored other options and decided to build my own. It doesn't have quite the level of comfort or carrying capacity of the SADF jacket however it's at least modular and has lots of room for improvements.

>>63794902 (OP)
Talk me out of getting a streamlight protac for my rifle

>>63804051
Get a Rovyvon GL-8 with the IR lamp and UV cum detector modes. Three in one fleshlight.

>>63803940
Thanks. I wanted it for water but I also want to carry a little bit of stuff so I'm not carrying a 22 liter pack or have everything in my pants for a few hour thing.

>>63804051
... Isnt that a plastic-body handheld light?

>>63804034
Here's what I've got so far. Haven't had a chance to test it innawoods. Gonna pair it with a padded belt and some more pouches to hold more stuff n things, right now I can hold at least 8 mags, a medical kit, and a canteen, and some tqs plus whatever else I want to fit in the MAP. It's pretty comfortable and distributes the weight really well. Might experiment with attaching the two side placards to my PC at some point. The goal of this experiment is scalability; be able to scale the kit for almost any need. I haven't tried it with a ruck on yet, mostly because I know the MAP will get in the way.

>>63797824

NC Scout is confident but didn't really know what he was doing. Book is 5th grade science fair project tier.

>>63795569

Get CHIRP. Assuming you're American, program in FRS and MURS frequencies (pay attention to the bandwidth, it matters).

>>63794902 (OP)
What's the go-to two piece belt these days? That micro molly on the smu does not spark joy. I know it's good but it gives me the ick. I don't really need a new belt but I'm thinking about sliding my lab over to a belt kit and getting a new two piece belt. Would it be smarter to keep the lab as is and get a different belt for the inner belt on a belt kit? If so, which belt should I be looking at for the belt kit? I'd prefer cobra buckles.

>>63804674
What's your budget?

>>63804674
Also, do you want one that goes through belt loops, or just sits on top?

>>63804682
>>63804684
Budget is flexible. It's been a few years since I shopped for gear so I assume things are more expensive now. I don't like giving a hard budget because if there is something good that is pricy but worth it then I am open to suggestions. I'm just not sure how far belt technology has advanced in this time. So with that in mind would it be better to just get a new inner belt and leave my lab alone? I'm leaning towards the latter.

>>63804684
>>63804705
Outer 100%. I'm not fucking with pouches every time I change pants.

>>63804705
>>63804707
https://shaw-concepts.com/products/usurper-v2-test

>>63804709
No I'm looking for a two piece belt I want the velcro inner.

>>63804674
You talk like a faggot

>>63804715
Get a Crye Rigger belt.

>>63804051
the hlx is fine

>>63795229
Why not put a pasgt vest there?

>>63795048
Based post
>>63795412
>Look at /arg/. It's the same 25 people every thread.
So atleast 5x as many people as ITT
>>63804674
SMU is best
LAB was a bad purchase tbqh
If you cant handle the SMU, consider >ronin belt
Because I agree, SMU does look kinda stupid

>>63805160
This but you instead.

>>63805204
That might work, thanks.

>>63805790
>LAB was a bad purchase tbqh
I got it right when the smu came out. There wasn't a solid consensus back then and the only reason I might replace it is because I would me moving it to the belt kit. I'm leaning towards keeping it as is and getting something for the belt kit. What are some recommendations for going inside a padded belt?

>>63804715
Is there a language barrier here? That is the velcro inner of a 2 piece belt.

>>63806335
There might be. Don't worry about it I think I'm just going to keep the one I have and get something for the padded belt.

>>63805700
Antiquated and often quite salty, also not as cheap as they used to be. Non-NIJ as well, so there's no hard and fast as to what they'll stop given their age, original focus on fragmentation threats, and variable condition.
They'll show on the used armor infographic.

>>63795242
The shekkin AVS is apparently pretty decent at around $350 with the harness and cummerbund. Might order one

Yo /gq/,

I just got some Dutch mag pouches for a G3 set I'm building. Now I'm wondering, will any triple-AR mag pouch hold two .308's?

I'm also looking at dyeing some ugly UCP, have any of you done that?

>>63807349
idk about any but these tac tailor ones do.

>>63803883
>they said I could be anything, so I became the water buffalo

>>63804211
there are different lights in the protac group. The weapon lights are all metal. Streamlight is generally the cheapest light anyone should recommend.

>>63807349
do not use the dark brown dye on UCP

>>63807612
>do not use the dark brown dye on UCP
Wasn't gonna. I found one where a guy tried for coyote brown and got a really nifty woodland blend thanks to the green/gray. Almost looked like Marpat.

>>63807227
Shekkin stuff is generally very well received. People tend to dismiss Chinese gear entirely and not admit there's nuance. You can buy American-made ass like you can Chinese. You can also buy high quality equipment from China as you can from the states or elsewhere.
Sure, if you go high-end enough China has no analogues to American-made, but that's at a stratospheric budget level irrelevant to most people.

New "lobster tail" from Adept. Three thin steel plates rated to VPAM PM-3, covering 9mm FMJ at over 1,400ft/s. $198, designed to work with the novasteel but can probably be jury-rigged to other helmets if you're creative.
It's clearly meant for riot-but-maybe-guns type work. The company is still shady and certless but credit has to be given, they've got some interesting ideas.

Also total cock tease on their Instagram, a very thin (steel?) side plate right next to a copy of the Adept Colossus' single hit M993 test report.
C'mon, what are you implying here?

I don't know why I'm still asking you things but what are your favorite hydration bladder pouches?

>>63808660
everyone likes source but I prefer using nalgenes
these dudes "hard side hydration" make a filter and hose you can just in a bottle, pretty decent

>>63808660
Cheapo condor 3 liter I picked up years ago is what I got, not ideal but it works.

>>63808670
I didn't know nalgene made pouches thanks.

>>63808679
Okay so condor thanks yeah I'm glad I came here.

>>63808685
>Condor
Don't make the same mistakes I did. The drinking tube sucks to suck and flops around like Ron Jeremy. Hell I bought a pair of L210s when those were considered LE HECKIN' BOOG plates. I fucked up man!
They're now on my Jinwudun skirt as front/back crotch armor. Saving for a pair of 4601s and 4101s for my torso.

>>63808685
>I didn't know nalgene made pouches thanks.
most places do sell nalgene pouches but can just use any 8" tall pouch for a nalgene
most places sell some type of 'sustainment' pouch that would fit them

>>63808695
I was being sarcastic. This place has really gone to shit.

>>63808698
Cool. I'm not fucking looking for that. Thanks again.

>>63808703
>I was being sarcastic
Yeah, I know. I was taking the piss.
>This place has really gone to shit
Could say that about the internet as a whole, but we're still here, aren't we?

>>63808660
I just like basic Camelbaks, really any color/size you like.

>>63808660
The 10 liter israeli water pouch in >>63803883.
In the dark streets of future city warfare, you will be the mountain dew boy with 10 whole liters of CODE RED for the whole squad. They will suck it from you.

>>63808712
anytime

>>63808732
>not RIPIT
ngmi

>>63808741
>not pic related
Heathen. The RIP IT will just eat through the plastic and get 10 liters of energy drink all over your ass.

>>63808755
that much pepsi clear could kill a whole squad
>corrosive rip it
lmao I believe it

You know what, fuck it. 25 liter SquadBak that holds 6.6 gallons of whatever. Fifty five pounds when full.
The entire squad must suck your rip it / crystal pepsi / code red / CERVEZA CRYSTAAAL or you're NGMI.

>>63808778
>has a metal hose end
what the fuck

>>63808785
>PEPSI SHOWER

>>63808800
>>63808778
basado

I have had yet another dream of the 2030 /gq/ meta. It came to me in a dream.
>Anywhere outside a concrete building is hell. You cannot survive. Drones are now mass-manufactured in huge factories and kamikaze anyone that moves, using advanced swarm AI algorithms to identify friend or foe based on characteristics. Thanks China.
>Everyone moves by tunnels.
>Whatever you bring into the building is whatever you're getting. Sustainment requirements and frag armor are at an all time high.
>Every third man has a 25 liter squadbak. The other two suck as they dig tunnels using hand-powered "freedom spoons."
>The hardest part is urine control.
>When tunnels intersect between friend and foe, whoever wins is the guy with the best wall-penetrating radar. Whoever spots first, wins.
>Armor-piercing ammo makes a resurgence, but not for piercing armor, but for piercing thin to moderate walls. Wallbang your enemies with the help of wall-penetrating radar.
>War is basically cat and mouse. Hiding and running, but not just hiding and running, also running and hiding, shooting and scooting but at a brutal, glacial pace.
>Like before, ARPKs with quad stacks rule. Norinco 120 round drums are now $700 a pop only because they look badass.
>Norinco comes out with a 240 round drum.
>Rise of the ARPK part more.
>Hesco and Highcum collectively merge into Hescum and dominate the civilian armor industry.
>A2Grip age 65 has wall penetrating binoculars he strategically relocated from the ground branch. Black ops 2 bullshit.
>He never uses them.
>/gq/ seethes and cums.

>Looks up wall penetrating radar
I'm priced the fuck out!

>>63808849
extremely accurate and grim but yea

>>63808919
But in all seriousness, I think rural areas are where people will get cleaned out and the safest location to hide in any kind of "boog" will be urban. Take advantage of high population density and urban chaos to evade detection, along with the superior cover concrete structures provide. Urban shit also naturally favors the defenders. Imagine trying to clear pic related with eight guys. Not happening. Imagine trying to clear some random mcmansion with eight dudes, perfectly doable.

>>63808800
yes
YES

>>63808933
it would just be the nastiest/most brutal of everyone. Like Favela but worse. With better gear.

>>63808933
>rural gets fucked
this is common in a breakdown particularly because politicians are worried about their own stuff so they deploy riot cops and make sure they're paid via emergency funds and stuff like that while rural areas are abandoned to fend for themselves

>>63808940
>>63808919
>>63808944
>>63808946

>>63808944
>with better gear
You can say that again. I think people are seriously underestimating the level of firepower the average guy is rocking. Think about it. We're more than thirty years removed from the militias. We're nearly twenty years removed from the obama scare. Thirteen years from the sandy hook panic. If anyone thinks people just went "nah, I'm good" and stopped at that point, they're mistaken. Don't even get started on recent developments.
Point is, it's not 1985 anymore and the average troublemaker will be running heavier than a saturday night special. Even the meme gangbangers are rolling ARPs with 60 round schmeisser mags and M855. Glocks with 33 stendos and switches. Plates are cheaper than they've ever been. There are at least fifteen to twenty thousand shitty ass 4SUS4s floating around alone. Surplus soft armor is damn cheap. If Militech comes back they'll flood the market with annoyingly cheap but annoyingly effective RF2 / RF3 plates.
The levels of gear will be mixed but otherwise pretty high. If civil unrest ever seriously impacts the survival of the state, expect some whizz-bang shit to come out of the woodwork. At this point, frankly, expect optical camouflage as a trump card.
Also figure out solutions for problems like dazzlers, especially the IR variety that can fry your eyeballs without you even knowing.
ebay lasers are cheap and will show up as irritant weapons.
>>63808946
Also factor in thermals, night vision, drones. Let's face it, most prepper compounds cannot withstand a serious siege from a determined adversary, especially if they don't have to play by rules.
Urban environments with subterranean characteristics, moving around carefully but never staying anywhere longer than a day, that's where things will probably end up. Building to building. Make a fortress out of a three story trap house next to the other two houses that aren't targets, so bombs can't be used against you.

>>63794902 (OP)
How come tactical pants don't come with loop velcro on their belt loops? It's extra engagement for your outer belt if you're into that and there's no downside if you're not.

>>63808849
>>Every third man has a 25 liter squadbak. The other two suck as they dig tunnels using hand-powered "freedom spoons."
everyone yearns for the mines

>>63808849
>/gq/ seethes and cums
War.... war never changes.

>>63809016
>I think people are seriously underestimating the level of firepower the average guy is rocking
I always think of the guys who are running SRT plates as general purpose SHTF plates. Better than nothing? Yeah. But not as good as an RF2 plate, especially not the "RF2+" style plates that offer M855A1 coverage as well (like the LTC 19513 and Militech RF2).

>ebay lasers are cheap and will show up as irritant weapons.
A bunch of cops and feds had their eyes injured back in 2020 due to the use of these things. Some of them had pretty serious permanent damage.

>drones
I'm counting the days until some highly motivated individual flies some drones over a crowd and has each of them loiter until they're all in place, then drops some sort of IEDs from them. Or maybe he'll put together his own FPV suicide drone package and use that as opening attack before opening fire with an automatic rifle, Vegas style. The possibilities are much worse if it's a group of guys carrying out an attack. The stuff going on in Ukraine with drones is no doubt giving a lot of future trouble makers ideas.

>>63809016
>The future is just HalfLife 2
Sometimes I dream about cheese.

>>63809016
>Also factor in thermals, night vision, drones. Let's face it, most prepper compounds cannot withstand a serious siege from a determined adversary, especially if they don't have to play by rules.
Anon, this goes both ways.
>Urban maxxing
Once again, both ways here anon. You have to go room to room, drainpipe to drainpipe. And its not a fun time.
>>63808904
NGMI bro
You can DIY them off an 80% kit but they are not justasgood

>>63810454
Goes both ways indeed. However, it's much easier to hide from thermals, drones, and night vision in a human dense, high-obstruction, busy urban environment than out in the boonies.
There's a million places to hide in any large urban center. Same cannot be said for a barn in the woods. Think how Waco would have gone down if the Branch Davidians rented a floor of a building in the city center. Can't use fire, too much collateral, can't roll tanks, even gas is risky and there's too many civilians running around. Would have been nasty.

Nonetheless, t helps to have thermals, NV, drones in both rural and urban environments.
>urbanmaxxing
Definitely not a fun time. Much rather be a defender though unless chemical agents are involved and we don't have PPE. There are countless ways to trap, control, and fortify urban structures. Clearing them requires different equipment than the open field and/or suburban stuff people might be used to.
>Wall pen radar
Yeah it's a shame. How much $$ for the DIY kits?

>>63809910
>SRTs
Using SRTs as general purpose plates is both an act of desperation and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. The L210 and such came at a time between the TAP Gamma / Sigma plates and the new breed of III+ like the RMA 19513 and Militech RF2. For people on a limited budget, SRTs were the go-to then. No longer.
SRTs are meant really for cops that need 5.56-optimized armor that stays in the trunk until an active shooter situation emerges. Being unable to stop even basic .308 most of the time precludes them from wider usage.
They do have a niche in urban situations where you need Draco, ARP protection (precluding lightweight Poly) and don't need to worry about hunting calibers.
>lasers!
At minimum, the brown lens S.P.E.C.S are good. $15 on eBay and cover IR, red, green, blue, UV. No good against yellow / brown lasers but those aren't common.
The green lens older version can't help you against green lasers.
>drones
I think you might be onto something there. That's a problem and will make denial tools like signal jammers all the more valuable.
FCC might want to open up the rules on jammers here before shit gets nasty. Could see them permitting jammer importation and purchase with a special commercial license down the road.

>>63811102
>RMA 19513,
Jesus, that'd be terrible. Meant to say RMA 1092, LTC 19513. lol

>>63795238
>No Yaesu FT65
Lame. That's what I have. Recommended over UV5Rs.

>>63795238
does the Anytone 878 use the same Kenwood 2 pin as the UV5R for comms purposes? not strictly battery

>>63811277
bump if anyone knows

>>63811277
It uses the same 2-pin K-plug connector.
>>63811206
Yaesus were prominent on an earlier version of the infographic. They're good radios, but many models lack the wider feature sets, digital modes, P-25, AES-256 that people want for /gq/ larpery.

Yo /gq/, I have an Austrian ALICE type pack I got for $10 years ago. Is it worth updating to modern standards or just get rid of it? I hate the original straps and shit, fortunately they're completely detachable. There are no other attachment points on the outside.

Alternative, get a modern surplus pack.

Thought process: Secondary/backup Go-bag

>>63812709
Don't overthink it. Keep it as a spare and/or keep it loaded as a "get-home" bag in your car trunk. No reason to get rid of kit that works, even if it's sub optimal.
Upgrade first to a modern backpack. Size is up to you and the situations you anticipate. Do you need an assault, 3 day, or INCH-type bag?

>>63812709
>hi guys please validate my desire to consooooom product
What are you gonna do faggot? Buy a new $299 TACTICAL Multicam backpack to put some expired MREs and a water bottle in and then have it sit in the corner of your room next to the piss bottles in your mom's basement while you watch hentai?

>>63812797
>Lol what a consoooomer faggot
Yes, how dare I look at $60 surplus UCP rucks on eBay. Joke's on you, bitch.

>>63812747
Current main bag that goes literally everywhere with me is a Mystery Ranch Scree 32L. It's tall and slim where this old ALICE pos is short and fat so they're probably about the same capacity.

>>63812823
So you've already got a good three day bag, excellent. Here's the backpack infographic in case you're in the market for another bag. This is updated from the old backpack guide from years ago and adds rucksacks, boots, etc with more of a sustainment focus.
>>63812797
Hey, he's at least urbanmaxxing like he should, or trying to.

>>63812861
>food/mre/rations
that shit is disgusting, freeze dried mountain house lasts 4x longer and tastes better and cheaper

>>63812923
>mountain house
A fourteen day supply from Mountain House is $439. 1,719 calories a day. A case of 12 MREs is forty dollars, ~1,250 calories per each MRE. If you eat two MREs a day you can buy enough MREs for 132 days for the same price as 14 days of Mountain House.

There's no denying MH is more "premium" but it's definitely not cheaper at bulk rates.

>>63812987
>case of 12 MREs is forty dollars, ~1,250 calories per each MRE
where are you finding actual in stock non expired mre cases for 40 dollars? they're like 120 nigga. shit is highly temp dependent if you store room temp its only good for like 4-5 years.

>>63810028
It happened again I had another dream of the 2030 /gq/ meta. It came to me in growing waves of revelation as I fell asleep on the shitter.
>Saucy men combine their Ziyouhu thermal red dots with digital night vision. Using bluetooth technology, they picture-in-picture the red dot inside their NV and acquire ghetto land warrior.
>Everyone gets blinded by $20 ebay poop lasers that defeat all known laser protective goggles.
>Like mole people, the people are now moles, except mole-ier.
>Overwhites bought a pair of overwhites but got them dirty in the /arg/ crack tunnels. Frustated, he takes out his anger on the local crackhouse but gets blasted by fifty ARPs.
>An entire 2,000 rounds of M855 overshoot overwhites and land in the nearby town, causing a turf war of galactic proportions.
>This escalates until the tiktok fightas shoot all the M855 that ever was.
>Using 3d printers, they extended their schmeissers to 240 rounds. Holding their guns sideways like lefty stens, they sprayed all that ever was.
>The tunnel people learn how to ferment piss into a kind of mead, giving /gq/ a reliable source of income.
>Using this thing called money, /gq/ debates for five weeks on whether to purchase the Hesco 3815, 3.5lb and rated for M855A1 and M80A1, or the Hesco U252, the latest SRT rated for 7.62x39 Nammo tungsten-core AP and 5.56 ADVAP. While only 3.2lb, it cannot stop any .308.
>The war in Ukraine still rages on. Highcom releases new contract overrun plates called... 4SAS7s... for $50 a pop.
>sms schizo unveils the new brown poop laser version of the HFXC and blinds everyone in the room.
>Is promptly shot by ten men with ARPs.
>They all miss and sms schizo lives to shill another day.
>A2Grip decides to urbanmaxx and sets up a safehouse in the back of a mcdonalds, hidden behind the ice cream machine. He gives men the tip and bills at $20 an hour.
>He grinds for months and buys a pair of 4650 batteries for his wall-penetrating binoculars.
>he sees men gooning.

>>63812747
>Kit that works
I dragged it out and started dicking around with it last night. It has no markings but seems to be equivalent to the US Alice Medium, but the damn thing is meant to hook to a kidney belt (think like an ALICE belt) and has no frame. I bet the Austrians hated these.

Im looking into frames and possible upgrades now.

>>63812861
Danner Tachyons are absolute trash when it comes to holding up to abuse

>>63813012
Theres a cryptic source, not sure if you have ever checked there
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N1NDDRS
>>63812987
Are you going to eat 132 days of MREs before they expire?

>>63809306
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to pay that poor little brown person to do that? Time is money and now you're adding $0.0001 of material. That's going to be an extra $50 to the retail price AT LEAST.

>>63814876
I'm going to eat 132 days of MREs in the next 132 days.

>>63815680
Make sure to get some miralax. I survived off MRE's for roughly 6 months, and after the first 3 days, you don't shit.

>>63815783
Good. I need something to stop me up. I spend more time shitting than I do everything else combined.

>>63815794
bro if that shit backs up it can push against your bladder and cause infections and shit, not a good way to go....

>>63815996
fml

>>63803628
>Honestly id just get one that already has a bladder you can clean it out with bleach and let it air dry.
thats disgusting and vile. even for /k/um brownie /k/

just get a NIB bladder off ebay or get a source.

>>63816178
You don't even need to clean it; plenty of dudes have fought for your freedom while sucking chunky water from their camelbaks the whole time and not even gotten sick

>>63807349
use blue with the green. and mix it strong as fuck, with boiling hot water, and some kind of mordant like soda ash or salt and vinegar. and no letting it sit for days wont hurt shit. seemed to really get it to lock in.

paint your own cam on it afterwards with a brush and straight dye .

>>63816270
yeah, you mean non service related cancer.

I havent shopped for body armor in years, can someone recommend or guide me to some I could conceal under a shirt/jacket?

>>63816345
>conceal under a shirt/jacket?
you're gonna be stuck with IIIA or some version of it if you actually wanna conceal it, otherwise a low profile slick carrier with level IV is a better alternative. I can't really think of a situation where im concealing low level armor in a situation where id actually want armor.

>>63816372
IIIA is what I want

>>63816419
Crye LVS

>>63816427
What makes Crye better than another brand?

>>63816510
Nothing in particular. Crye just werks, like a Glock, but it's a reverse Glock. Instead of paying less for a trusted but mediocre item, you're paying extra for not needing to think about it. You know it'll be mediocre but reliable.

>>63808571
hard to judge length but it looks like it would make turning you head difficult

>>63816538
>Instead of paying less for a trusted but mediocre item, you're paying extra for not needing to think about it.
That's actually Glock at this point. "I don't want to worry about whether PSA Daggers are compatible with Glock parts and holsters, I'll just buy a Glock-brand Glock"

>>63816345
>>63816372
You have four options.
1. Soft armor, either II or IIIA. Crye LVS, Hardwire-68 for IIIA, or Hardwire-51 for II. II saves weight but stops less. Not ideal against faster 9x19, .357 SIG, .44 magnum, etc. These are a no-go across the board against rifle threats.
2. Less-than-overt poly plates. Run Level III poly like the Hesco 3801 / 3801LV, they're less than 0.45" thick and super light, but cannot stop M855. Shop the field though, the 3801 is good on paper but unproven (and also oddly light).
2. SRTs like the Hesco U211. These are basically Level IV plates with most of the backer removed, so they cannot stop even basic .308 within NIJ backface deformation limits, but cover you against M855, M193, M855A1 even, and various 7.62x39.
The gucci, .308 capable options are the less-than-overt SOCOM plates like the LTC 28791, which is baller but price-gouged to hell because Apex is lame.
3. PULV-type covert plates. These are sub-0.4" thin, made in a covert cut, and can handle 7.62x39 MSC at a minimum. Exact protection level depends on the flavor. There are five. Steel, titanium, B-VEL that adds M855 / M80, a stupidly expensive BZ API secret service version and an all-poly superlight. Real bitch to get most of these so stick to the first three options.
>>63816419
Hardwire 68 or LVS are ideal. Cheaper good soft is from Stealth Armor Systems. Safariland has some especially thin aramid soft.
>>63816510
NTA, but the LVS and Hardwire-68 are the two lightest white-side IIIA systems on the market.

>>63817189
Quick second post. I double checked the 3801's thickness and it's just under an inch, so somehow the foam removed for the 3801LV is more than half the plate's thickness? What?
I got a hunch the 3801LV is an ICW plate, probably blows the BFD limit on M80 anyway, and Verrets is marketing it wrongly as standalone. This means you'll want high quality IIIA anyway behind it if you go with that option.
Good news is that adds scalability. Bad news is that Crye LVS or HW68 + 3801LV is big $$$, and also not guaranteed to work because ICW plates are often only tested with one specific model of soft armor. That's how the NIJ does it for certed plates.
Ergo, you'd have to cross reference v50s and other factors to determine soft armor effectiveness.

Yeah, nah, strike the 3801LV. I think Verretts is doing something funky.
Better options in this case are just soft armor, SRTs (or LTOs if you got the grip), or newer iterations of PULV. The all-poly version is apparently very, very light.

>>63817189
How common is ×39 BZ API "in the wild"? I've literally only ever heard of it in the spec sheets for special threat plates.

>>63817302
NTA but it's insanely rare. I don't think I've ever even seen it on Gunbroker. I've seen weird x39 blacktips far more frequently.
Also there's no QC standardization between Soviet ammo factories, so "API-BZ" could mean 100 different things.

>>63817323
Figured as much, thanks.

Looking for a 7.62x51 chest rig like a Mayflower, what get?

Is there a shoe similar to Vans, chuck's or PF Flyers that have an aggressive sole or tread?

The altama maritime or urban assaults are close but I'm thinking an even more aggressive tread similar to like danner fullbores. I want something that has boot like tread but shoe like wearability. I like the Vans MTE shoes but they don't have the hot weather ones anymore and I live on Phoenix so the cold weather ones are unnecessary.

>>63817302
It is common OCONUS (outside the states, think sandbox areas) since it's ex-soviet. So common that it's the threat of choice for the ISAPI military plate, which came before ESAPI - after SAPI - and admittedly not widely issued, and also the threat of choice for SOCOM's current less than overt plates. It is very rare CONUS - so rare it's not worth prepping for. Focus on M855A1 - which is a sidegrade. Better in some ways against certain armor materials and compositions, worse against others.
>>63817323
100% right, and that goes double for 7.62x54 B-32 and the somewhat better B-32M too. Many western sources consider them the same, but they're not.
Most soviet and Russian rounds at this point have a harder M version to contend with. Sad fact of life.

>>63817465
Makes sense that those special threat plates would be downstream of a SOCOM requirement that's not relevant CONUS.

>>63803883
Link to purchase?

>>63817383
palladium

>>63817475
The cheaper special threat plates like the L211, L210, M210 etc only pick it up because they share strike faces with .30-06 M2APLevel IV plates like the 4401, 4403, etc. They have a lot less backer, making them thinner, lighter, and less overt. This is why they can break penetrators like BZ API but simultaneously fail to basic .308. Ceramics work as a system. Thicken the strike face for penetrators, thicken the backer for higher energy threats. Only member of Hesco's SRT family that has apparent OCONUS usage is the U210 / U211, which is the top shelf model. Still vulnerable to even 7.62x51 M80.
The other end are the historical III++ plates like the BZ API TAP Gamma Plus. This category is making a resurgence with the even stronger, 7.62x51 M61 AP rated Highcom 3S9M and Hesco 3814, but those plates are like quasi-IV in weight, albeit with III multi-hit, so they're a small commercial niche.

>>63817526
dude I think these are exactly what I'm looking for

>>63817550
i have 2 pairs, one normal one waterproof. they're great

>>63817567
sick man. Do they break in pretty nicely or should I wear boot socks for the first few weeks?

>>63817576
no break-in needed but i also put dr scholl thin inserts in every pair of shoes i own

>>63817567
Are you a 20-something year old white european woman?

>>63817592
Perfect, I have high arches so I'll slip some inserts in too.

>>63815680
Why stop there?
Urbanmaxx. Become homeless. Cache MREs in your safehouses. Eat the MREs 24/7/365. Eat them cold. Eat them hot. Eat them off car batteries in an open fire. Eat them off tire fires in the junkyard. Cook them with the sweat and tears of the life. The freedom. The feaaar.
You will shit a turd the length of a 6D maglite and six inches round.

Any of you guys familiar with/know where to get this? I believe it's called a Grad-2 Gunner.

>>63817903
Oh, and it's specifically for an RPK with 45 round mags.

>>63817903
>>63817915
nvm just a smersh RPK vest. Though it would still be cool if I could find one.

>>63801799
>India crash coursing boron carbide / PE armor and driving right past Hesco
interesting, I wasn't aware of this, which company and is it available in the states?

>>63818054
Would you actually feel confident enough in an Indian pl8 company's QC to redeem their shit, saar?

>>63818100
good point

>>63818054
The story is fairly interesting.
For the majority of India's career, their body armor industry has been absolute ass and behind even the Chinese one. A couple years ago, their DARPA equivalent, DRDO, went on a major crash course of boron carbide + PE engineering. They developed a new cut of plate with greater coverage than SAPI, similar to the euro "ergo cut" but in two sizes. DRDO regular is a little larger and "DRDO Large" is huge full torso shit. When their technology, design, and specifications were complete, they gave everything to at least two companies. SMPP and Pragati.
Both companies are now manufacturing very impressive B4C+PE and SiC+PE designs discussed in >>63803718. Of particular note is the Pragati Defender M993, standalone multi-hit M993 protection under 6.5lb. An XSAPI is about that weight, with less coverage, but needs soft armor. On paper, the Defender is comparable to the LTC 28601. That's the best white-side plate LTC has, albeit ten to twelve years old.
Sadly, neither company sells in the states. They would be expensive.
>>63818100
Same could be said for Chinese armor until Militech / Longfri came around and they started taking things more seriously. Now Militech is top dog in the /pfg/ arena. Their SiC RF2 and RF3 Black are unrivaled in price:performance, but they remain certless.
Pragati and SMPP obviously need to prove themselves, but we ought to treat them like any other manufacturer if they start dealing in the states. Let's see the test reports and whether they get any NIJ certs.

>>63818152
It'll be great when those NIJjas start issuing RF2 certs.

Why do you girls feel the need to gossip about fancy plates you'll never even seen let alone use? It kinda kills this whole thread when all you guys do is argue about armor no one here will ever use. I miss the mod 2010s era /gq/. I hope McNig is doing good.

>>63818492
Should be starting in the fall, I think.

>>63819361
No. Now they're saying next year, mid 2026. lol

>>63818768
>McNig
I miss him. I also miss that medic guy who used to post in here.

This is probably a stupid question.
I want to build up a belt kit for my G3. I see German G3 pouches pretty regularly, and I found there is an ALICE clip adapter for them. (Kind of like the Alice to MOLLE adapters.) Can the plastic MOLLE tabs replace ALICE clips, so that I could mate G3 pouch to MOLLE/PALS?

>>63819540
Yeah bunk bed guy was great
But we can't go back

>>63819430
Oh now that's depressing.
>>63818768
See >>63795412. /gq/ is much healthier than it was months ago because it covers more topics, has more people discussing more gear. Plates are gear, armor is gear, radios are gear, backpacks, rations, etc, are gear. Thermals, night vision, I could go on.
The more people bringing topics and good info to the table, the better shape we're in. Need I remind you that mid-2010s /gq/ (2016-2017) was unironically recommending RMA, particularly the cheat ringed 1199, mystery meat ceramic tile array plates, and ESAPIs without backers? I went through the archive. Without the autist squad we'd have 4SAS4s and Predator steel shitplates being recommended today. RMA 1155s and 4SAS7s. Armor is extremely shady. It merits lengthy discussion.
It's important that we cover all the bases we can or bad info will slip through and make us like reddit.
>>63819569
Too right. Goes for everywhere, really.

>>63819648
>We need to talk about armor for over a decade ago that no one in this thread will ever acquire because... Well just BECAUSE alright?
You're a fag. /gq/ back in the day was so much better than this. No one minds you fucks discussing armor, but when discussion about armor no one will ever use dominates the thread, it gets old. There have to be like only 40 or some people here. Everyone has gotten their armor by now.

>>63819681
All you have to do is start a conversation about something more interesting and engaging, then the armor discussion won't dominate the thread

>>63819837
Right on the money. Nobody talking about plates is minding that people are also talking about boots, or radios. What else we wanna talk about?
>>63819681
>Everyone has gotten their armor by now
Apparently not, considering there's at least 2-3 people a thread who need armor, or realize they got burned on shitty armor because they listened to reddit man #9382.
>No one will ever use
You wear it in your platecarrier, that's using it. lol

>>63819681
Where else are we going to talk about PRAGATI mystery plates that nobody has ever seen before and for which no test reports or videos exist?
I do agree with this though >>63819837
Pic unrelated

In the finishing stages of completing my LBE. all I have left to do now is fill out the ifak on the back and find an appropriately sized flashlight for the pouch second from the right. Do you guys have any reccs for the flashlight? The pouch is 6"L & 2"W, but can potentially accomodate slightly longer since I fit a CAT tourniquet in one of em

>>63817576
>>63817550
Palladiums suck for anything but a casual shoe. The sole is way too soft for anything but doesnt have enough flex to be like a barefoot style boot. Big fugly logo coin on the side and shitty factory laces.
0/10 would not suggest for anything /gq/ related.
>>63817344
Mayflower UW Gen 5 split front

>>63820108
Looks comfy fren

So why is SafeLife shit again?

slightly off topic, but I think y'all are the most likely to know. since a lot of motorcycle armor is kevlar, would a flak vest protect just as well against a car impact? obviously the heat would suck, but I think it would be funny

>>63820452
Kevlar motorcycle gear is to protect against road rash abrasion, it does little to nothing for impacts.
It would protect you from being dragged down the highway by a car, but the impact is gonna suck regardless. Maybe you wont get shanked by a windshield wiper but thats the extent of its protection.

>>63820452
God, some of you are just fucking dumb. There are middle schoolers that innately grasp physics better than you.

>>63820442
They aren't shit, just mid. They used to be shit but pulled a Militech and cleaned up. They've got NIJ certifications on several products. The top guys like Safariland, Point Blank, Hardwire, etc can get you better performance. Safelife's IIIA+ has a little extra headroom versus usual fare. 50gr Liberty 9x19 and limited 5.7x28.
Safelife's FRAS flexible rifle armor is a bit of a meme and reliant on good IIIA soft to stop .308. Can stop M855, 7.62x39 MSC, or M193 on its own, but with soft armor you have a much more expensive, equally heavy solution as the LTC 19513 WITHOUT the 19513's M855A1 rating. FRAS is too expensive for what it does.
>>63820023
For the past six months we've been the first to get the scoop on most armor developments. Makes sense /gq/ is the first to talk about Saaradyne and the twenty hit 7.62x39 plates.

>>63820619
They are shit. Their soft armor is literally twice as heavy as everybody else's, and they did their best to hide this from their customers for years. Also "IIIA+" was always retarded and they never posted any proof of their claims of stab resistance.
> Saaradyne
Ceradyne is dead. Saaradyne lives. Fuck this timeline.

>>63820690
Indeed, their shit's heavy. However, they've got four certifications for their soft armor (more than RMA can say for their plates!), so while they're overweight, those panels do pass batch / FIT tests.
That's what makes them mid. Yes, it works, but it's not optimal. "Shit" is stuff like the RMA 1155, Hesco 4400 / 4600 that were improperly heat treated, 4SUS4 if it got mistreated by the mailman, stuff that has serious workmanship problems. Beyond shit would be those $23 Linry level IVs, lol. Merely being heavier than the competition is different from failing FITs and dropping the ball on QC.
Stealth Armor Systems gets you a better deal for budget soft, or stick with the big guys for soft armor.
>IIIA+
It's basically IIIA with added protection against a very rare 9x19 threat. Situational and mid, sure.
>Saaradyne
We live in the mediocre armor timeline. With Ceradyne gone, LTC / Tencate / BAE sitting on their balls, and Hesco actually regressing while Highcum is going broke, there is an illusion that american armor is getting passed by other countries. In some ways, that's true.
For what it's worth, Militech has yet to show any boron carbide plates aside from a prototype cheat ringed IV like eight years ago. We haven't seen what China is fully capable of yet. A B4C+PE tile array RF2 rated to M855A1, at $500 a plate, would (on paper) dumpster the $400, Alumina+PE LTC 19513. Sadly the thirdies have American companies beat on raw cost of materials.

>another armor convo
yawn,
how about radios, chest rigs, hydration, yaknow stuff that actually matters instead of minmaxxing armor?

>>63820753
So aside from being heavier they’re otherwise fine for stopping pistols? I’m not worried at the moment about anarchy and people shooting rifle rounds in my area, but I could get some to slip into the soft armor vest if warranted. I have no interest in plate carriers

>>63820690
I like how you answered anons question but instead of telling him directly you chose to argue with someone else about it.

>>63820150
I’m kind of liking the T-Rex flap rig.

>>63820753
> Indeed, their shit's heavy. However, they've got four certifications for their soft armor (more than RMA can say for their plates!), so while they're overweight, those panels do pass batch / FIT tests.
It's not mid, it's like sub-mid. Probably the worst "certified" soft armor you can buy. And some of it was certified so recently, and to such an old standard, that there won't be any FIT tests, lol
It's d-tier soft armor. Not quite f-tier, but not good.
>>63820896
They'll work, they're just heavier and thicker than the competition for no good reason and with no performance benefit.

>>63820883
Post about innawoods kit and doxycycline. That'll get you 100 replies, easy, as all of the "medics" start seething and malding that you pack your own antibiotics.

>>63821104
That's gay. I just take 8000 mg of acetaminophen and 8000 mg of doxycycline before every hike. I carry all I need in my veins.

>>63821104
My blood is so toxic nothing can infect me ever.

>>63821104
how come nobody ever talks about stabilizing fractures when /out/?
it sucks the entire time and that bullshit they taught you in boy scouts about making a sling out of a t shirt will not work nearly as good as you want it to
I guess nobody has ever fell down while hiking with guns and broke a bone before

>>63821131
>sucks the entire time
Yeah, you didn't think the bandana sling was going to do anything for the pain did you? Just keep you from bumping it around too much while you're friends have to carry you back
If good pole sized saplings are around I'm a big fan of constructing a travois for the injured, it's still going to bounce them around and cause pain but it will be quicker and easier for everyone involved then them hopping home with someone supporting half their weight

>>63821150
honestly, if it was a heavier cloth with a clip or something to keep it more rigid and take the weight of the dead limb, it would have been much more comfortable. I think the problem with the bandana is it barely controls the limb and the movement is what causes the breakthrough pain that's really hard to cope with. also anyone who isn't carrying a sam splint is wrong.
good idea with the travois, haven't seen that before.
I know you'll bleed to death before you pain to death but I figure falling off the side of a mountain is probably a more likely injury than getting shot most of the time, should probably put some thought into what to do about that

>>63821173
I have a sam splint but I've never used one, it doesn't seem ridgid enough on its own, in conjunction with a stick maybe
But yeah, bandana is a last resort kinda thing, I'm using compression bandages if I have some available

>>63821197
they rolled it out and taped the sam splint to me, which kinda sucks on its own but it does work. they're not super rigid but they are moldable which is nice depending on how someone is fucked up.
sam + any stick type object (sticks, pens, chemlights, whatever) in some form of sling is the way to go. I've thought about making bandanas out of heavy denim with some clips or really strong velcro on them specifically for this purpose

>>63821131
>how come nobody ever talks about stabilizing fractures when /out/?
because you're fucked?
for example if you smash your foot you have maybe 30 mins or so before the swelling is so bad you can't walk, even with stabilization you're going to be crawling/hobbling out of there

sam splint is ok, medical tape helps a lot too to just hold everything together, add a stick and you got a stew going
also good to stay up to date on medical, do a trauma class every so often and stuff like that, medical training is like gun training you need to stay sharp

>>63821086
We can probably settle on it being a C-. It's not gonna get you killed in the streets and it passes conditioning tests. Contra, say, the RMA 1155, which failed a FIT, can't multi-hit against even tulammo for shit, and weighs over 8lb because it's made of vietnam throwback materials. I'd make that a D-tier armor. F tier should be shit that just doesn't work. American blast ass, Highcom 4SAS4 if the mailman dropped it a few times because tacshit shipped em with barely any packaging. For soft, D would be buying random 20 year old shit off ebay and F zylon out of a landfill.
Otherwise I agree. It's workable if you're stuck with it but it's not armor you should seek out.
Stealth is all around a better manufacturer, IMO.
>>63821022
That's just his style, lol. I'm the anon he was replying to.
>>63820883
>actually matters
I'm pretty sure stopping people from getting shot matters, or do we never expect to actually use any of our stuff? In that case, nothing matters and it's all even!

>>63821533
so what, your buddy breaks an ankle and you just euthanize him right there?
I get it, if it truly is over there probably isn't gonna be anybody to put you in a cast or do surgery, but holy shit lol
you're fucked if you get shot too, even if you don't bleed out right there it's not like you're getting any better. realistically why carry any medical, just eat your gun if you get hurt that bad
at least have a plan for if this happens when you're larping or something

>>63821561
carry him out, if you're fit. otherwise you're leaving him and going for help by yourself
if you're alone better have your radio/satellite phone/beacon/flare what have you because you're pretty fucked
have you ever been badly hurt in the woods and had to crawl out for help? it's pretty unpleasant

as for larping, in a bad scenario medical is the first thing to get used up and it doesn't come back

>>63819648
>/gq/ is much healthier than it was months ago because it covers more topics
No, it covers ONE topic you faggot. This entire general is just you blogposting about plates you've never even touched. The entire plate discussion starts and ends when you get issued plates from CIF because you're an active duty member of the US Military. No other conversation is necessary. You're a fat incel nerd who's never set foot on a military base who jerks off to an excel spreadsheet of NIJ certifications. Go talk to fucking ChatGPT about plates or put on a trip so we can filter you.

>>63821757
>RAWR CIVILIANS CAN'T OWN PLATES RAWR

>>63821118
No. Take 8000mg excedrin. The peptic ulcers will repair all your injuries like nanomachines. Also the caffeine will either cause heart failure or keep you awake for 132 days.
>>63804596
How so?

>>63797086
A big ass one gallon jug of pepper spray.

New models of thermal ponchos are now available on legendary tactical marketplace EBAY.
This one has... very wide shoulders.

alright guys not my diary but
>live in jew york in a semi suburban area
>work a relatively white collar job
>have cc & semi auto rifle permit, own 2 pistols, mossberg 88 and a 10/22
>white, married, baby
>life isnt dangerous
but i find myself wanting tac gear just in case

am i crazy

>>63822246
No, you're not crazy, you're based. It is a man's duty to be prepared to protect his family.
There are two sides of the coin. One side is gear, the other is fitness and training to use it.
What's your mile time? If it's not good, no worries, get to rooning.
A man who roons and saves up for good gear will be much more capable than a man with shitloads of shit gear and no cardio.
Gear is based on needs. What do you see yourself needing to do?

>>63822246
Isn't body armor illegal in your shithole?

>>63822246
>am i crazy
No way. Also, outside of practical reasons this stuff is fun.

>>63822285
decent shape, 8 min mile, usually run 2 1/2 - 3 at a clip. that's the thing, i don't see a need other than protecting the home and family in some event. i am not political and wont go to a rally/protest and put myself in harms way, etc

i yearn for full kit

>>63822317
NTA and not a lawyer. Applicable section is as follows:
New York State Penal Law Section 270.20:

§ 270.20 Unlawful wearing of body armor.

1. A person is guilty of the unlawful wearing of body armor when acting either alone or with one or more other persons he commits any violent felony offense defined in section 70.02 while possessing a firearm, rifle or shotgun and in the course of and in furtherance of such crime he or she wears body armor.

2. For the purposes of this section "body armor" means any product that is a personal protective body covering intended to protect against gunfire, regardless of whether such product is to be worn alone or is sold as a complement to another product or garment. The unlawful wearing of body armor is a class E felony.

Then see 270.21 regarding purchase of body armor.

§ 270.21 Unlawful purchase of body armor.

A person is guilty of the unlawful purchase of body armor when, not being engaged or employed in an eligible profession, they knowingly purchase or take possession of body armor, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section 270.20 of this article. This section shall not apply to individuals or entities engaged or employed in eligible professions, which shall include police officers as defined in section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law, peace officers as defined in section 2.10 of the criminal procedure law, persons in military service in the state of New York or military or other service for the United States, and such other professions designated by the department of state in accordance with section one hundred forty-four-a of the executive law. Unlawful purchase of body armor is a class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a class E felony for any subsequent offense.

In short, the rules are pretty tight. You can thank pic related dipshit for that.

>>63822345
Yeah, that whole section about unlawful purchase, or possession pretty much rules out the dude getting "full kit".

>>63822345
>>63822317
not surprised. it took 8 months to get my cc

>>63822333
8 min is good. It's not high school track good but it's significantly better than the average joe. Mine is a 6:14 but I've been running a while. Need to work on my endurance because my last two mile was 14:40.
>i don't see a need other than protecting the home and family in some event
Yeah that's the thing. You're going to be armorless, which isn't a killer but means you aren't going to be able to eat hits to the vitals. Think chest rig or belt kit for a start.
It sounds like under the applicable statutes a shield is technically okay, since it is not a body covering and cannot be "worn."
Curious if the people selling them however would agree with that interpretation, given the liability shitshow NY is turning out to be for a certain armor manufacturer.

>>63822370
That's long even by blue state standards, jeez.
>>63822368
I'm honestly thinking he might be able to swing a shield in lieu of body armor. It's not an ideal solution, since shields are usually run by teams, are heavy, bulky, and preclude you from using both hands for something else. However, he could give the shield to his wife or something in case of a home invasion, should the aggressor spray wildly and put holes in walls.
Available options are listed in >>63803603 and the bottom left of >>63795226. I checked Botach's site real quick and it looks like the only cucked state they won't ship to is CT, notwithstanding their "professional use" restriction. On the contrary, the Chinese do not give a flying shit and will ship anything anywhere if you persuade them, but it's your ass if it gets caught.

>>63822246
Yea you’re crazy. The 911 response time where you live is probably <3 mins, and there’s next to zero crime in your gentrified NY kike suburb with 10 foot walls and security cameras everywhere. The guns you own sound incredibly gay too, I suggest you sell everything except your ccw and spend that money on a security system or a big dog. Quit being a manchild having a midlife crisis or else your wife will see how pathetic you look and divorce you and take your kid.

>>63822246
No things arent running well in America and historically when the system fails they dont protect you and the enemies kill you and take everything of value from you. If you dont get it dont prep and dont worry about it.

BETTER TO HAVE AND NOT NEED THAN NEED AND NOT HAVE.

Aid bags anyone?

>>63824816
>brand spanking new bag, not a speck of dirt or evidence it’s ever left the room it’s pictured in
>cringe multicam IFAK haphazardly attached to the side looking completely out of place and entirely superfluous if the whole bag is supposed to be an ‘aid bag’
>big reflective orange strap completely negating the camouflage aspects of the rest of the bag
It’s funny how I can literally read your thoughts just from one picture
>hurr durr l’ll get this bag in Ranger Green because I’m too embarrassed to get multicam because I’m not in the military but I still want to get the bag in a ‘tactical’ color
>I have nowhere to put this multicam IFAK pouch I previously bought so l’ll put it randomly on the side of the bag
>this orange strap will be great for ‘signalling to aircraft’

>>63824886
Don't you have some plates you'll never own to pontificate about?

>>63824886
The bag has generally been used as a vehicle bag, hence its cleanliness with the exception of some grease stains on the bottom. The “IFAK” is simply holding some spare TQs until I decide where I want to put them. The big orange strap is a strap cutter, because this was a vehicle bag.

>>63823350
>>63824886
>doesnt post gear
>talks down to everyone
>encourages others be weak
It's funny how I can literally read your thoughts from just these 2 posts
>what are these goyim prepping for? don't they know that only jews have a right to existence?
>if they want to play soldier they should join the military and die for Israel
>I would have been a great soldier but my eczema kept me from mandatory service
>I'm going to post blacked porn in the catalog after this

iight it's been a real one but im out. I am fatigued by the armor schizo posting. Pce.

>>63824816
I miss bunk bed guy

Hey fags

good tips to make an AR15 more ambi friendly ? Thanks

>>63825491
training
its all doable left handed, you just cant drop mag and reach for the next one at the same time, you have to hit it with your right hand before you reach or when you come back up with the new mag

>>63825490
Don’t we all my friend, don’t we all.

>>63825491
Use ambi parts?

>>63825491
If you really want some special snowflake shit, Forward Controls Design makes a bolt release that's extended to the rear so you can reach it with your index finger easier; it's probably cheaper than the Geissele Super Whatever equivalent and it doesn't break compatibility with any ambi mag catch you might want to use.
Other than that, >>63825576 is right, everything on it is doable left-handed with minimal extra effort, and you actually have an easier time locking the bolt open manually since you can interact with the bolt catch from a firing grip, unlike normal people.

>>63825491
a 100% truly ambi AR is expensive you need a full ambi lower kit, otherwise you could get by with ambi selector (easy), ambi charging handle (easy), however ambi bolt release requires a dedicated cut lower for that or you are stuck using something like a Magpul BAD lever, then you need to ensure you setup your controls for accessories to be ambi friendly. Mag release also requires lower to be cut a certain way.

>>63825621
>>63825584
>didn't even answer the question
this fucking board sucks fat cock

>>63825658
Shame there isn't a different thread specifically for AR15yearolds to talk about their builds and shit.

>>63822246
Don't do it, it sucks. You'll end up burning money on shit that will end up sitting in a bin somewhere in the basement. You have a wife and a baby, you would not be well advised to go out to play militia man even if manchild tactiLARP becomes real life, so what would be the point even in that context?

>>63822246
should probably save money so you can leave that shithole
I got out after Cuomo but before Holchul was actually elected and it felt like I was just in time

>>63822246
>Am I crazy
No. The world is getting weirder every week. There are plenty of men thinking like you do.
Do not plan to be offensive, plan for defense. Find some like-minded people and develop friendships with them, look out for eachother all that stuff. Get some useful kit (don't overload your finances) and train with it.

All these jokers wanna say "bleh everything is fine" while completely ignoring that this country has had plenty of irregular citizen soldiers solving problems for the last 200 years without big daddy gubment financing them.

Check out PNWguerilla, Dirty Civilian and/or Bear Independent on YT for concerned citizen matters.

>>63825856
Based.
>>63825844
Also based. Get to PA and you'll be able to prep harder and with no major cuckery as long as you stay out of philly.
>>63825714
Cringe.
>>63825584
Yeah.
>>63825484
Schizo frustratedposter.

>>63825856
This is cope. The militias historically performed embarrassingly poorly. Other than some early successes at Concord and Bunker Hill, in general they couldn't hack it in the revolution so a formally trained and organized Continental Army had to be created with foreign advisors. In the War of 1812 the militia broke and was routed outside of DC letting the British burn our capital. Outside of these, the militias were almost exclusively used against natives and when they weren't intentionally committing genocide against babies and women they were busy seeking revenge over indian raids only to go out and attack a completely different tribe to kill more babies and women. Disorganized rabble is disorganized rabble and always has been. Modern muhlitias would likely do worse. All I have to do is watch a FocusTripp stream and look at the panel, or see pictures of a cringe open carry protest and I can immediately see what kind of manpower one would be working with. Nerds, fat hogs, and fat nerds.

>>63826153
philly cucks hard enough that the rest of PA feels it
I went to Maine after NY and you could tell the government existed for and of masshole retirees
they truely hated the people of Maine and actively worked against them
in NC now and I'm liking it but dont know if it's the place to settle down at

>>63825856
You're not solving anything by wasting attention on youtube grifters. Go vote at your town council idk.

>>63826203
>NC now and I'm liking it but dont know if it's the place to settle down at
definitely not, we have enough of people like you, stay in New England

>>63826224
I'm cool bro, i voted for the black nazi, not the jew

>>63826242
every person I worked with was from Jersey or Jew York they're all insufferable

>>63826666
Yeah, why do you think I left?

>>63826203
>in NC now and I'm liking it but dont know if it's the place to settle down at
It’s going slowly but surely bluer and filled up with blue state refugees. Definitely comfy state in the western half but too late to permanently live there

>>63824886
>brand spanking new bag, not a speck of dirt or evidence it’s ever left the room it’s pictured in
Dood rekt. He probably took a picture right after setting it up like most normal people. Wut a fgt.

This is sad. This entire general is sad. We should just pack it up and go. It's done, over. We can't do any more. It's over for us.

>>63826872
yeah that's the fear, hopefully the flooding chased some of the liberals out of Ashville but I doubt it
I'm on the East coast and the problem is it's just growing too quick, all the outdoor spaces are getting clear cut for track homes and the infrastructure cant keep up with the pop increase
love the beaches but might have to give it up for the solitude of the midwest
>post gear to stay on topic

>>63827058
No. I have new stuff coming next week and you all WILL be forced to see it. I didn't buy this shit just to not post it online.

>>63827058
The militia LARP is finally running out of steam just like it did in the 90's. Trump probably told the FBI that they're not allowed to egg it on anymore. Good riddance, hope it doesn't come back again. Go shoot IDPA or something.

>>63826204
Every Youtuber either dies or quits a hero or lives long enough to sell out.
The modern militia will consist of soft power grown through connecting with local officials and building bonds. In this state of non-connection anyone with connections has an automatic edge.
Only when those connections fail will the militia LARP begin again.
You can tell though much of the "militia" is just astroturf made to sell shit. People are getting wise that Nothing Ever Happens.

>>63826204
>Solving
The point was info sources, duh. Unless you're ready to write anons a book on all the gear, all the use cases and all of the philosophies.

>>63827058
Agreed. I just got a new day pack to use in conjunction with my plate carrier, and I almost dug out my kit to take a photo, but then I thought, why the fuck should I even bother?

>>63827813
Infographic anon is on the case but he's only one guy and has a major backlog. the guy that made the new /bag/ guide has been AWOL for months.

>>63827895
It's not the same guy?

>>63828107
Infographic anon here, there's two. /bag/anon made the new /bag/ buyer's guide last August or so because the old one only listed unobtanium that's basically irrelevant to /gq/. The guy that originally made THAT one years ago was a video game modder turned armor nerd. I helped provide input to /bag/ anon for the new one and fought off a nasty Adept shill because the Colossus has yet to prove itself and Adept is dodging NIJ certification for anything they have. They don't even have a legit address on tap. Promising but shady company.

I made the other infographics, Aliexpress, breaching, the /bag/ supplements, chest rigs, vests, etc. My plan is to have infographics "across the board" because they cover the basics, prevent repeats of the same textbook conversations, and allow us to discuss advanced topics using them as a foundation. They aren't set in stone either. If they're off the mark, lemme know.
They provide a way for things to "progress" between threads. That's the key.

>>63828257
>I made the other infographics, Aliexpress, breaching, the /bag/ supplements, chest rigs, vests, etc
Unironically kill yourself. You're the other 50% of what's wrong with this general. You're a fat gay airsoft kid who derails every thread with your poorfag chink gear cocksucking. Everything you list in your shitfographics is just an airshit knock-off of meme hypebeast gear from Spiritus and Ferro. Post a fucking 3 year review of the chink airshit plate carrier you've worn in Ukraine non-stop since 2022 if what you're shilling is justasgood. Surely you'll put your money where your mouth is and go into combat wearing the shit you advertise on here for free like a fucking janny?

>>63828372
I'll make a tissue paper and lotion infographic just for you, friend!

>>63794932
Chinese cheap shit is based.

>>63828257
>>63828372
I unironically HATE the retarded "thermal camo" infographic. Makes this place seem like a joke.
The /bag/ infographic and most of the others are also shit. Just retire them ffs.

>>63828597
So what would you like for the lotion infographic? Vaseline is cheap but probably not your favorite.

>>63828605
lol, don't you have scam thermal ponchos from third-world countries to catalog on eBay and Etsy? That ought to keep you busy enough.

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>>63827307
Fantastic, what's on the menu?
>>63826666
Super satan checked.

>>63828624
I did that months ago, you fool!

This thread blew donkey chunks. The end.