The sharpest general on /k/.
Full Tang KA-BAR Edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0z-wIZSosk

>>63805143 (OP)
Still cheap, unremarkable 1095. I'm sure they'll still be ~57 HRC, too (because 1095 gets brittle the harder you go). Other than that, it's a good move. I'm not saying every knife needs to be Magnacut or 3V, but if a cheap steel is absolutely required then almost every 1095 knife on the market would be better in 80CrV2. A knife in 80CrV2 at ~60 HRC is tougher and cuts longer than 1095 at ~57 HRC. For what I assume will be a price above $100 it's a shitty deal for a shitty steel - which really is too bad, since the design sans materials is good.

At least Kabar isn't TOPS or Busse levels of retarded. Imagine paying $300 for garbage steel in a mall ninja looking knife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LBDnJv5B58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHe_8wTHmg
I've had recent success on the sharpmaker using the jdavis882 method in the second video. You hold it on the stone and go up and down. You just have to remember to do it equally on the other side because it will form a burr like a regular sharpening stone. I find it easier to keep the angle using this method. The edge comes out even, looking like a factory edge.

>>63805265
>A knife in 80CrV2 at ~60 HRC is tougher and cuts longer than 1095 at ~57 HRC.

A knife in 80CrV2 at 64hrc is substantially tougher than 1095 at 57hrc. 1095 is trash.

80crv2 and 1095 start rusting if you look at it wrong

>>63805143 (OP)
>>63805265
Yeah Kabar is trash. Just spend the $$$ and get the gold standard.

>Spyderco Triangle Sharpmaker
>$87–$113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpCMUTR9Sg&pp=0gcJCbIJAYcqIYzv

>>63805143 (OP)
Lose some weight, David. You fucking fatass.

>>63807210
Not my experience at all.

>>63807210
yeah if you dunk them in salt water and don't bother to dry them

>>63808405
good luck sharpening and serrated blades with that rounded shit you spent 2 hours and 100$ in tools to make

>>63808767
Why the fuck would I sharpen serrated blades? I don't own any. I don't give a fuck about your bad decisions.

>>63808777
because they are better at cutting through clothes and leather and tendons they are actual weapons

>>63808822
Oh wow your momma's dull ass steak knife is an actual weapon, that's so cool, what are you five?

That's a toy. This is a weapon retard.

>>63808829
cope with your shitty non weapon knives in knife general xD

>>63808868
Of course I don't own weapon knives. Knives aren't weapons.
>b-but mine are
That's because you're a fag who is too stupid to make a gun, and too poor to buy one

>>63808279
I hate finger choils.

>>63808879
I have a gun and a better knife thank you

>>63808793
Very nice. Do you sell them or more just a hobby?

>>63808917
It's mostly just hobby right now, but I'd like to get to a point where I can sell them somewhat regularly.

>>63807210
>>63808445
In my experience 1095 will rust if it's humid out while 80crv2 will rust if you leave it wet.

>>63808936

>>63808883
We all have to allow our hearts a little tiny non-Jesus space to be human. I'm not saying Jesus hates inger choils, he probably loves them. But you're not Jesus, now are you?

>>63808903
No you don't, stop lying.

>>63808937
Why would I line where it's humid? Gross. Are you poor?

>>63805143 (OP)
I suspect this "full tang" kabar will be like the knife Kabar made for Estwing - i.e. they're just moving the breaking point back an inch.

>>63808978
never lied on the internet in my life

>>63808988
I don't know why you would
>line where it's humid
anon.
But, by humid I meant dewy mornings and warm summer days after a rain. In Wisconsin. Not exactly Papua New Guinea conditions. Something else I don't know is why companies like ESEE choose 1095 for all the "jungle knife" shit they're always hyping over other cheap low-alloy steels offering better corrosion resistance.

Say hello to the scorpions and Mexicans for me.

>>63808975
Nope, I prefer scales that actually cover the grip of the knife, and some level of finger guard. Esee Xancudo, Architect AK3, Boker/Daily AK1, Brisa 70 or 80. No finger choils, or worse, handle scales that end short, like the Bradfords or the White River backpacker.

>>63809065
oh, well then you're just a retard and a liar, 1095 does just fine

>>63809104
You speak English very well for a seething wetback. Sorry you got conned into overpaying for 1095. But you're right, 1095 does just fine for ""people"" who don't actually use their knives.

>>63809145
It's the opposite. If you use your knife constantly even in the jungle, it will never develop meaningful rust since it will always be removed with use.

>>63809150
>If you use your knife constantly even in the jungle, it will never develop meaningful rust since it will always be removed with use.

Kind of...

Where can I buy an Imacasa model 104 Rozador-style machete in the US? Every online retailer has been sold out for a long time. I think Imacasa is pushing their overpriced Condor machetes in the US now instead of their globally tried-and-true utilitarian machetes, but the tool I need is an 18in blade rozador.

>>63809065
*live
The scorps said hi, the wetbacks said hola.
>t. my Condor 1095 doesn't rust

>>63805143 (OP)
price? also is knifecenter k approved? whats everyoens favorite big and cheap retailer for factory produced stuff not custom gucci shit

>>63810218
It's very new, I don't think there's a price yet. From blade show I think. I got a 3rd pattern J. Nowill and Sons Fairbairn-Sykes from knifecenter recently, no complaints. Bladehq didn't have it. Bladehq is my favorite although they are reddit.

>>63810203
<3

>>63810218
KnifeCenter is my default go to.

>>63810218
Personally I use BladeHQ for the points n stuff. Great staff too.

>>63810266
is that the one made by sheffield in england? ive been wanting one forever but they were always out of stock

>>63812017
>is that the one made by sheffield in england?
yep
It's in stock now. The edges don't come sharp. I cleaned them up, but they're still like 90 degrees inclusive lol. I carefully worked on the tip and got that to a needle point; it sort of came to a square instead of a point. The whole thing is kind of wonky, actually. There's a gap between the blade and guard, and the blade is slightly canted off kilter from the guard (which is fixable is it's disassembled). The sheath design kind of sucks although mine fits in snug and the elastic band is also tight. It's not bad, really, just wonky. I thought it was cool that it's THE current Commando FS dagger with a NATO stock number. Fox knives makes a nicer one but it's $300 and the taper isn't as aggressive. The only reviews on that are Korean but it also has like 80 degree inclusive edges.

Fairbairn himself was known to express his dislike for the "cheapness" of the 3rd pattern. His books specified sharp edges. But if you look at any of the current 1st or 2nd patterns, they all also have the disclaimer: "edges don't come shaving sharp etc." I wonder if they are afraid to make them sharp being from England with the strange relationship they have with knives.
Despite it's quirks, I still think mine is neat-o and it was only $100.

>>63810218
Please refrain from posting until you're significantly less new.

>>63810218
>knifecenter k approved?
Hell yeah. My go to. Atlantic Knife screwed me over.

>>63809470
Search garden supply but in Spanish and you will get all the regular Imacasa items

>>63809470
>I think Imacasa is pushing their overpriced Condor machetes in the US now instead of their globally tried-and-true utilitarian machetes
You would be right about that. They bought Barteaux just to shut it down for that exact reason. One more American manufacturer (((financed))) into the shadow realm.

Hey guys I'm trying to figure out something I see get asked a lot, and it was discussed a few threads ago but I've never really seen an answer that's satisfactory:
What is the best edc knife, and the best budget edc knife -- for self defense in a libshit state?
& What are some good EDC knives that would be decent in a pinch?
Requirements to be legal: 3.5" max with wiggle room for over-measuring, no fixed blades, no OTF, no daggers, no edgelord marketing.

IMO this is the criteria in order:
- Ergonomic grippy handle with some kind of swell or way to lock in the hand. Knife should be held in a hammer grip. Its vital that one can actually pull it out after one stabs something and equally important that it can't be dislodged from one's hands.
- Blade geometry: Thin-spined slicer type shapes, that look ideal for stabbing and puncturing. I've never seen slashing do anything in a knife fight.
- Lockout: Strength of the lockout is key here. Ergonomics and how fun it is to play with isn't as much.
- Deployment: Reliability of deployment is crucial. Single handed deployment is a huge bonus for knife vs knife fights if you're wearing a jacket and train to utilize, and less important if not. I don't think speed of deployment matters very much -- most knife encounters I saw are either by complete surprise anyways, or you have plenty of time. but you could weigh it higher if your knife is more of a tertiary defensive measure, since you'd presumably be deploying in the heat of things.
- Blade steel: I think this is the least important factor for a dedicated self defense knife, because its going to get used never or once. For a general purpose EDC+Self defense knife, this should be ranked higher.
I'm basing my 2c here off watching around 2k knife fights/stabbings, reading old dagger fighting manuals & personal martial arts experience. every 'system' i've seen is bs. I'm a combat sports guy so I hope you guys can fill the blanks 'cause I'm not a knife nerd yet.

>>63813673
glock 19, mora, and a milwaukee fastback

>>63813673
>I've never seen slashing do anything in a knife fight.
skill issue

>>63813692
yaya let's not do the typical 'just have a gun' debate. lib state there's all kinds of places you either can't have a concealed carry where you're going, or you can't carry it loaded, and they hand out can't own guns court orders like candy. assume its not an option. i've fucked off would be attackers by brandishing knives several times so its effective no debate.

>>63813695
well yeah technically i can open carry a machete, but every business will tresspass me.

>>63813700
live somewhere else

>>63813714
god i wish.

>>63813673
I told you PM2 before. My Military (almost the same thing but 4 inches) deploys fast with the spyder hole, almost as fast as my automatic. Faster than one fixed blade I have due to the awkward sheath. It's really up to you though. Keep in mind how bloody and up close and personal knives are and how brutal it looks to a jury. Walk with wisdom and you can probably deescalate anything that isn't a straight up robbery threatening your life or a wild animal / dog attack. You didn't rule out automatics, they are the fastest and easiest deploying which could make a difference when you're scared, in shock, just got punched in the back of the head out of nowhere, etc. I have an Otanashi Noh Ken, but for fast deploying purposes, I would rather carry my Military because I can get it open, first time, every time.

>>63813673
>knife vs knife fights
nigga you better run away or pick up a broom or something in that situation

>>63813673
>What is the best edc knife for self defense in a libshit state?

Spyderco P'kal IMO.

>old dagger fighting manuals
Lots of medieval fighting manuals use daggers in a manner similar to the method taught by Shivworks.

>I'm a combat sports guy
Craig Douglas has a BJJ black belt on top of his law enforcement experience.

>What are some good EDC knives that would be decent in a pinch?
Any EDC knife would be good in a pinch. With a knife that small, no amount of optimization will make much of a difference in the real world. A 3.5 inch blade tactical self defense knife is not going to radically outperform another 3.5 inch utility knife.

>>63813811
>Spyderco P'kal IMO.
this looks like it fits his criteria very well

i think i figured it out guys. half-joking. i was looking around my garage and i found these fiskars multi task garden snippers are a straight up mexican gardener murder weapon. lmao the handle is shaped like a bollock dagger and the blade geometry is perfect. doesn't even matter that its a pot metal piece of shit. too bad you'd have to pass off for a landscaper to get away with carrying it around concealed like that lmao comedy option though.

>>63813811
>Spyderco P'kal
the blade geometry could be more penetration oriented, doubt it would have a problem though. but i really like that peg that stops overpenetration. very possible with a small blade, not likely but it could end your day if that happened. that might be worth the geometry for that alone. i saw some other spydercos i liked the blade shape of better but they didn't have that.
>With a knife that small, no amount of optimization will make much of a difference
i disagree, a lot of edc knives that size are either are too thick of blade stock or have too fat of a belly to do much. some can't even stab into things.

>>63812630
I picked up the spartan george raider last thanksgiving and weirdness with the grip scales aside it is really good for the price. "But it's a 1080 (or something close)!" You are doing 1 thing with this knife and that thing needs a sharp edge more than the steel really matters to be honest. The balance is knice and it feels really good in the hand.

Slots into the sheath quite well and is among the better fitted kydex/nylon strap sheaths out there for that. If you really wanna fun stabby stabber to play with, I do gotta recommend them.

>>63813958
That looks like the fs concept done right in this day and age and not $500.

>>63813695
What is that that fell out of him? It looks like he got slashed in the back of the leg so I can only assume its muscle

>>63813982
uh he cut his leg off at the calf

Kabars are dangerous as fuck, no joke. You have to respect the knives.

>>63813992
Yeah so its his calf muscle?

>>63813999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbEf-JKZnA

>>63814016
I see he chopped his whole leg off, I don't see anything falling out except for blood squirting out.

>>63813673
what state has a blade max limit?

>>63813982
Are you talking about the sandal and the blood?

>>63814087
there's like flaps of skin and leg meat hanging off or something

>>63814119
The State of Tyranny.

>>63814139
No, that's you mom on mu cock.

>>63814137
>tfw Rudolph Valentino's, 'Blood and Sand' is forgotton.

>>63814250
>>>/mu/126225446

>>63814254
>>>/muh/

Anyone have a SRK-C in 3v? Seems like a good option for a survival knife.

I've bought two Ganzos this week. The Firebird FB727 which is a Rat II clone with axis lock and the G204 which is a basic midsized multitool. Build quality is excellent. Both were like 20usd without shipment. Idk if this general has any sense anymore unless you make your own knives in your own shed and show them off here.

The FB727 also runs on ball bearings. So worst case you just spray some WD40 in it. Forgot to add that.

>>63805143 (OP)
i was thinking of getting the cold steel leatherneck since its basically a ka bar with a full tang, would this be worth considering instead?

>>63816407
>i was thinking of getting the cold steel leatherneck since its basically a ka bar with a full tang
Anon, have you not even seen a picture of the knife you're talking about?

>>63813936
>these fiskars multi task garden snippers are a straight up mexican gardener murder weapon
I came across the smaller 6 inch garden shear and was thinking the same thing. Those ones are small enough that you could legally take them on plane (Total length under 7 inches and blades less than 4 inches).

>>63812765
Just buy a Bokër V-42. Much better knife and sheath for the money.

>>63816407
Not worth the money, because of all the weight. I got the recon tanto and a Kabar. The weight difference really noticeable

>>63816869
yea, they look pretty similar to me lol. you don't get a nice leather stacked handle but its still a clip point 6 inch blade with a handguard
>>63817606
was the weight diff really that bad? did you notice any difference in performance between the two

>>63814087
>>63813992
Oooooooh holy shit, I understand what youre saying. Jesus that didn't even cross my mind, I thought theres no way that couldve happened.
>>63814137
I sure hope its just his sandal.

hey guys

>>63817669
Anon, I'm specifically referring to you calling it a full tang. It may be a full length tang, but it's not a traditional full tang, no matter what those retards at cold steel tell you
It may be a bit tougher than a kabar due to the wider tang, but it's still not ideal if you're looking for something to abuse a bit

>>63805143 (OP)
People are too obsessed with bushcraft. The rat tail kabar moves better in your hand so therefore better for fighting.

>>63819716
Yeah. Something in this thread caused me to look up kabar testing videos and it was all wood chopping, not opening mres and cutting through clothed meat like it was designed for.

>>63819515
Ah gotcha. Do you know of a knife that can be abused that has the traits i mentionded, or should i just get a kabar and not abuse it

>>63808879
>Of course I don't own weapon knives. Knives aren't weapons.
So why are you posting on /k/ instead of /ck/, /diy/, or /out/?

>>63819750
Knifetubers are 90% unga-bunga cavemen retards who think beating the crap out of knives on stumps and slicing through water bottles proves anything.

rate my modest collection
I am planning on getting a Cold Steel SRK in San Mai soon

>>63820129
To talk about weapons.

>>63820212
I like it, a variety of top quality budget stuff.

>>63819919
Condor makes some pretty tough knives if thats your thing, they got a decent selection so they might have something that suits your tastes. The cold steel drop forged line is also pretty tough
Realistically you can make do with something like a kabar if you also pack a decent hatchet/axe

What knife do you guys keep on your gear? You do keep a solid fixed blade on your kit, don't you anon?

Had some nice springsteel chunks after replacing some broken parts on a combine, decided to make a knife.
Still a WIP, but here it is. Handle is some antler found in one of the crops, get a lot of those.

>>63821297
Are you in the military with all that getup? I specifically wanted that knife before they even made it because I'm not a Marine, but had to get the Marine one because they hadn't yet started making the blank one.

>>63821326
That's a good handle for grabbing it quickly. I think a friction retention sheath or something similar without snaps would be advantageous.

>>63821471
I'd be happy to find any sheath but nowhere around apparently sells any, got a number for a local guy who does custom leatherwork with a few nice revolver holsters as examples in the printout I saw.

>>63821477
Yeah, you can get custom sheaths if you want where you send the knife in and they make it for it, but I'd say go for it yourself, you already did the hard part which is making a knife from scratch.

>>63821507
I've got a bench grinder and a angle grinder and had the materials on hand, what I don't have is any tools or materials for making a sheath.

Why did Microtech change the classic Combat Troodon look for their Gen III's?
they looked so cool before the facelift and now they just look fucking weird.

>>63810345
my boss sends group messages to us all the time every day, and every time I "react" to his message with that Scorpion emoji.
I did it for like a month and he finally pulled me aside when I was leaving the shop one day and asked if I was mad at him and what it meant.
He was very concerned.
I'm pretty sure he thought I was lying when I told him it was just for laughs.

>>63810218
BladeHQ.
prices can be better than other places but not usually great.
Their points system is decent and their customer service is top notch.
plus they will ship banned knives to any state like true american patriots which is great for me since I live in a communist west coast shithole.

>>63821775
You mean from the old ladder / groove design to the modern? No clue, that happened before I joined. I do kinda like the old pattern, but what I really wanna get my hands on is the old mini Combat.

>>63821846
Did they discontinue the mini combat troodons?
I never really looked into them but I just looked them up and they are out of stock everywhere.

>>63821862
Yes, sadly. Been making the rounds at all my local pawn shops hoping to find one on cheap.

>>63821864
ah that sucks.
Hate when you put off buying something for so long that it ends up going away altogether. Had that happen many times to me.

>>63822024
Then I'd snag at least one Gen3 UT before the shitshow with Hawk goes down.

>>63821297
Really its either a SAK or a Leatherman style multitool.
Being a poorfag I got myself a Workpro Multitool.
Has good reviews and is recommened for a low budget MT choice.
A bit stiff and rough but so far it worked beyond expectation, no miracle tho but good enough to be praised.

Despite the long history of knives this aint the 1850s anymore and a knife is nowdays just extra weight.

Aside from setting up camp if you believe you will need a knife to fend off Humans you should reconsider your approach.

If you camp in the wilderness and want something bigger than a Mora get a knife long and sturdy enough to put down a Wild Hog.
With a knife like that - 24cm+ blade - you can stand your ground from small predators all the way to a Brown Bear, well at least you got a chance that you hurt the bear enough for him to give up.

What's the best way to carry a large knife? Watching Bullet Train and one of the characters wore one on a harness beneath the arm. Looks comfy.

>>63823023
there is no "best way"
its a large knife and will always be a obstacle.
If you are a big guy you could scout carry
it behind your back tho re-sheating will be bothersome.

You can carry it 5 o'clock on your hip like a normal knife
tho sitting down will always require some readjustment.
You could also carry it Military Style on your non Dominant Hip Cross Draw style.

Carrying a big knife is not just a committment but a life style.

>>63823097
NTA, I would have to dress like a cowboy so people think I'm too stupid and entrenched in my rural ways to know any better to pull off such a huge knife and I'm just not going to be that committed to the bit, even though it would be legal. It would attract lots of attention too. Appropriate for the woods or on a secluded farm though. Guys who wear Muck boots with high vis shirts into town get away with it though.

>>63823023

>>63823023
On a shoulder holster opposite your pistol

>>63822129
>shitshow with Hawk goes down.
What's this?

>>63821462
Nope, that's the main reason I chose the single mark kabar. I put this together more for hiking/camping/larping than anything
>>63822871
Honestly the knife on mine is more for looks than practicality, but I'd still trust it for light camp tasks and hunting. I do still keep a SAK in my kit for practicality, and I might eventually invest in a nice leatherman

>>63824143
>a nice leatherman
It'd have to be a very old one, they've been making chinesium trash for decades.

>>63805265
Kabar uses "1095 cro-van" which is their trade name for 52100.

>>63805265
>>63805444

In real life where charts and data don't matter, 1095 in mid 50s is tougher than absolutely anything. I have a 1095 Ontario machete that has withstood 15 years of abuse you wouldn't believe and has edge retention better than any striking tool deserves.

>>63813936
>doesn't even matter that its a pot metal piece of shit
Those are not garbage steel, I use them for cutting all sorts of stuff in my workshop--kevlar, fiberglass, rubber, gasket material, thin sheet metal and they hold up great.

>>63808822
Only people with poor sharpening skills believe that. A properly sharpened plain edge is always better than serrations.

>>63824960
What model of Ontario machete?

>>63824948
>Kabar uses "1095 cro-van" which is their trade name for 52100

Please stop talking about shit you know nothing about. 1095CV is what Kabar calls Sharon Steel Co. 170-06 - which is a modified version of 1095 developed specifically for cutlery decades ago. Sharon doesn't make the steel anymore, but it's the same "recipe".

>>63824960
Ontario machetes have been made to US military specifications for 60 years. That means 50-55HRC. Any steel is going to be tough when it's as hard as rebar.

>>63808416
You don't want me any sexier than I am to your wife already, Ben.

>>63824948
1095CV(Sharon Steel) - Based on 1095 steel, with the addition of small amounts of V, Mo, Ni, Cr. Improved wear resistance and toughness compared to 1095. Ka-Bar and Bark river use this steel in their knives. Ka-Bar under 1095 Cro-Van name and Bark River as 50-110B. developed by now defunct Sharon Steel.
Manufacturing Technology - Ingot

Country - United States(US)

Sharon Steel 1095CV and equivalent steel knives reviews
Known Aliases:
Sharon Steel - 1095 Cro-Van, Sharon Steel - 50100B, Sharon Steel - 0170-6, Sharon Steel - Carbon V, Sharon Steel - Carbon-V, Sharon Steel - 50110B

Standard Specs
GOST - 11KH4V2MF3S2
GOST - 11X4V2MF3S2
GOST - IKHF
GOST - IXF

>>63824948
52100(AISI) - Knife Steel FAQ - Formerly a ball-bearing steel, and as such previously only used by forgers, it's available in bar stock now. It is similar to 5160 (though it has around 1% carbon vs. 5160 ~.60%), but holds an edge better. It is less tough than 5160. It is used often for hunting knives and other knives where the user is willing to trade off a little of 5160's toughness for better wear resistance. However, with the continued improvement of 52100 heat treat, this steel is starting to show up in larger knives and showing excellent toughness. A modified 52100 under the SR-101 name is being used by Jerry Busse in his Swamp Rat knives. German equivalent 1.3505 is discontinued.
Manufacturing Technology - Ingot

Country - United States(US)

AISI 52100 and equivalent steel knives reviews
Standard Specs
AFNOR - 100C6
BS - 535A99
BS - EN31
BS - 534A99
CSN - 14100
DIN - 120Cr5
DIN - 100Cr6
DIN - 105Cr5
DIN - 101Cr6
DIN - 100Cr5
EN - 102Cr6*
EN - 100Cr6
GB - GCr18
GB - 9Cr15
GB - GCr9SiMn*
GB - GCr15
GB - GCrSiMn
GOST - SHH15
GOST - SHKH15
IS - 103Cr6
JIS - SUJ2
JUS - C.4146
KS - STB2
PN - LH15
SIS - 2258
UNE - F.131
UNI - 100Cr6
UNS - G52986
W-Nr - 1.3514
W-Nr - 1.2060
W-Nr - 1.2059
W-Nr - 1.3505
Proprietary Equivalents
Aubert & Duval - RAD
Bohler-Uddeholm - UHB20C15
Bohler-Uddeholm - R100
Busse - SR-101
Busse - SR101
Carpenter - CTS-B52
Carpenter - B52
Carpenter - VIM-VAR 52100
Latrobe - 52100 VAC-ARC
Metal Ravne - OCR4ES
Ovako Steel - 102Cr6
Ovako Steel - 803Q
Rochling - RW3
Secosar - RTC14
Thyssen-Krupp - 3505

>>63825121
The classic 18" military machete. I have four of them, including my original one I got in like 2007 or something. I've cut down acres worth of trees and hard, dry blowdown with it, struck knots, hit nails, batonned it, once I even left it in a freezer and then smacked it on it's side against a steel telephone pole as hard as I could. Unbreakable. And it stays shaving sharp through a day's labor, not that edge retention even really matters with something so easy to sharpen.

>>63825151
Well neither of us are posting sources so who knows. If it is 52100 then it's the best steel in the world, that's what Cold Steel uses in their drop forged line and those knives have the best ratio of toughness to edge retention I have ever seen in 20 years of collecting and abusing knives.

>>63825178
Most hatchets are tempered to the same spec, except with 1055. A good hatchet has more than enough edge retention and people get really silly about this stuff with knives and I don't know why. Maybe because sharpening is mysterious to them.

>>63824960
>1095 in mid 50s is tougher than absolutely anything
52100, 80CrV2, etc. will be even tougher at the same hardness.
>>63825297
See >>63825204 >>63825209

>>63825308
Maybe because for smaller knives that do primarily slicing and don't see the abuse of a large knife, people prefer wear resistance. Not everyone wants to sharpen their knife every time they cut a few cardboard boxes.

>>63825336
I give my knives a touch up with my field kit every day that they are used whether they need it or not, so I'm never going to notice or appreciate any improvements in edge retention over basic carbon steel in the 50s. What I do notice is poor cutting ability due to coarse grain structure and carbides, and needing excessive attention to detail in order to produce a hair shaving edge. D2 is a major offender here. Generally speaking I do everything in my power to avoid all stainless steels.

>>63825327
I believe it. Cold Steel Drop Forged Survivalist is my most torture tested fixed blade I own, absolutely incredible steel.

>>63825351
I get a hair-whittling edge on S30V in about 5 minutes with a few cheap diamond stones and a strop with green chrome. Sounds like a skill issue.

>>63825366
So can I. But with 1095 it's more like 10 seconds with an Arkansas stone that will last forever and requires only water

>>63825297
>Well neither of us are posting sources

The GOST specs are literally included for both steels for you to reference. Ka-Bar specifically states they use 1095 Cro-Van. Stop acting like jew.

>>63825384
>it's more like 10 seconds
You're not going from dull to that keen of an edge on any steel in 10 seconds.
>What I do notice is poor cutting ability due to coarse grain structure and carbides, and needing excessive attention to detail in order to produce a hair shaving edge
Just flat-out wrong.

>>63825434
I don't let my knives get dull. I maintain them with an ultralight system I created consisting of pocket stones glued to a rectangular aluminum tube which I carry in my pack at all times.

>>63825434
If I want an insanely sharp microscopically perfect edge, I grab one of my hatchets, because the simple steel has nothing in it that ruins the edge. Only expensive powder steels can come close.

>>63825462
So you're not even talking about sharpening, just honing or touching it up.
I can do the same with my S30V, or Elmax, or D2.

Here is mine

>>63825522
>the simple steel has nothing in it that ruins the edge
Carbides don't "ruin" the edge. You can get a high-carbide edge just as sharp, but it will keep a working edge longer as the softer steel wears but the carbides remain, creating a microscopic toothy edge.

>>63825528
You can't use natural stones with any of those. You're limited to diamond which gets tear out/bald spots randomly after less than a year of use, or aluminum oxide or SiC stones that dish out quickly and require way to much oil to be practical for field use. You also can't fix a snapped tip or deep chip with a file. For survival use I automatically rule out any steel that is too wear resistant for files and natural stones.

>>63825542
High carbide steels like D2 will always lose their hair shaving ability the fastest. They can retain the kind of edge that is good for opening boxes for a long time, that's why people think they have good edge retention. But my standards are higher than that so in my opinion these steels actually have poor edge retention. Even a 1055 hatchet is better.

>>63825528
File + Arkansas stone + leather strop loaded only with swarf from the stone itself is the ultimate system for essentially having infinite ammo for your knife and that's why all modern steels suck. As far as stainless goes, only AUS8, 420HC, and a couple other older cheaper steels are acceptable. My EDC and survival knives must not be dependent upon diamond systems for routine maintenance, or on grinding/sanding machines for major damage repair.

>>63825542
>>63825553
>>63825574
>>63825594
I actually work with my edc knives (farmhand) so I use this for sharpening, takes just a few seconds and lives in my pocket.

>>63825553
>gets tear out/bald spots randomly after less than a year of use
I've been using mine for 5+ years and they still work fine
>>63825574
>High carbide steels like D2 will always lose their hair shaving ability the fastest
Where are you getting this from? They have the same martensite matrix as other steels.
>But my standards are higher than that so in my opinion these steels actually have poor edge retention. Even a 1055 hatchet is better.
Kek

>>63825609
The knives.

>>63825594
>>63825553
>>63825574
>for smaller knives that do primarily slicing and don't see the abuse of a large knife, people prefer wear resistance
>but muh survival
Yeah, I wasn't talking about that niche use case.

>>63825612
>I've been using mine for 5+ years and they still work fine

In my experience diamond stones will develop visible damage in less than a year of daily use, and the coarser they are, the faster the diamonds tear out. This is true even of premium brands like DMT.

>Where are you getting this from? They have the same martensite matrix as other steels.

It is my experience that D2 is the shittiest steel in existence. You can't hardly sharpen it with anything, and when you do get a shaving sharp edge, it doesn't last long.

>Kek

I'm a professional butcher.

>>63825609
To do what? Cut the occasional rope? Dig dirt out of a horse's hoof or something?

>>63825624
Nice pile of flea market garbage

>>63825635
Lol the knife I carry at all times and use for everything imaginable is a "niche"

>>63825660
Cutting twine and netwrap is the 90% case for the two folders, but there's a thousand and one odd-jobs that they get used for, the fixed blade mostly just stays in it's belt sheath but gets used for it's design purpose to skin cattle or porcupine, mostly porcupine which are good eating, cattle typically aren't butchered at home though it has come up.

>>63825665
"Garbage" is hat I call your collections of dozens to hundreds of knives that you never fucking use and just jerk off over.

>>63825682
>>63825691

I cut through hundreds of beef and pork primals every day. You've never handled a knife sharp enough to do my job.

>>63825691
The knives I never use are typically the ones that are too wear resistant to maintain with my preferred field tools.

>>63825759
Yes I have, trimming enough turnips to fill 8-11 6'x6' boxes every day for a few weeks, drop one of those knives and you could lose a chunk of yourself easy.
Those are also no-name whatever knives that are meant to actually do work with and not to sit and look pretty, they also get a no-name whatever kitchen steel for sharpening, no fancy meme stones or such.

>>63825795
If you think Arkansas stones are "fancy meme stones" I think I'll just end it here.

>>63825795
Turnips lol. You don't even need an edge.

>>63825795
The only knives I have that sit and look pretty are the ones that are inferior in every way to the inexpensive carbon and tool steel knives I actually use.

>>63825845
You don't need a fancy stone to sharpen a knife.
I have used one of the tri-angle sharpeners shown at the to of the thread before, and if I have a pile of knives to sharpen it'd be worth it to have one as it makes the process go faster, but that's about as far as I'd go with investing in that.
If you actually work with a knife you're going to be sharening often, and in that case you want the job dont competently and fast, after a certain point the time and money invested in a sharpening kit have incredibly diminishing returns.

>>63825870
If you think Arkansas stones are "fancy" then you don't even have a rudimentary basic knowledge of sharpening

>>63825857
If you're just doing one in the kitchen sure, but if you're trimming a few thousand for days on end, yes you do, keeping the task fast takes days off the job, and there are never enough days in a year to get all the work done on the farm that needs doing.

>>63825870
My field sharpening kit cost less than $10 to create

>>63825877
For me it's more like a few thousand sirloin steaks

>>63825888
So you use a kitchen steel that hangs on your belt, I've got family that works in the abattoir.

>>63825901
Steels are for people who can't sharpen. Most butcher shops use knife supply services that own the knives and pick them up for sharpening, same with restaurants. I've been a butcher for over ten years and I can count on one hand the number of guys I've met who use and sharpen their own knives. A honing steel is used to stretch out the performance of the edge when you do not have the ability to simply resharpen it.

>>63825919
>when you do not have the ability to simply resharpen it.
The time more like.
A few strops on the steel every 10-15 minutes as the tasks at hand allow.

>>63825951
That is only necessary if the knife isn't being resharpened every day or so. When I've sharpened a knife, the edge will last for at least a day in a busy butcher shop without having to do anything to it, longer in a slow shop. If you need to steel a knife that means you should have resharpened it a long time ago. I've met hundreds of butchers, not a single one of them use knives as sharp as mine, and I do not use a steel, nor do I ever need to stop and resharpen mid shift.

>>63825972
>nor do I ever need to stop and resharpen mid shift.
Nice LARP.
If you NEVER stop to resharpen at work that's not from lack of need, that's from stubborn refusal.

>>63825987
I sharpen after work or on lunch. Never more than once per day. Not necessary, not even in places that did 50k per day.

>>63826021
>on lunch
>never mid shift
Get your story straight kiddo.

>>63826021
>I cut 50,000 steaks a day!
There's only 28,800 seconds in an 8 hour work day.

>>63826072
50K dollars.

>>63826083
>I get paid $50,000 a day because my knife is so sharp!
Kek.

>>63826049
I'm off the clock

>>63826083
Yeah because employers commonly tell their hires how much money a business actually makes in a day...

>>63826091
The SHOP does 50k. Clearly you have never had a real job and you're having trouble understanding the language I'm using.

>>63826100
Yes, butchers typically know how much money their store is making.

>>63826113
>their store
>places I've worked
Wow anon, you've personally owned numerous different butcher shops in your life?! Clearly your knife is the sharpest ever.

>>63805143 (OP)
Ok what is there a Swiss army knife/ blade mix that would be good for both /out/ing and self defense.

Speaking as a newbie wanting something cheap for rolling in bad neighborhoods

>>63826125
Maybe English isn't your first language. What I'm telling you is that I've worked in lots of different butcher shops, and sometimes these places can make as much as fifty thousand dollars in a day, often with only 5 or 6 people working per day.

>>63826140
>a newbie
>rolling in bad neighbourhoods
Stay out of those neighbourhoods, if it's bad enough that you feel the need to go armed and you're a knife newb then the people you are worried about will just end up using your knife on you.

>>63826150
>I've worked in lots of different butcher shops
So you suck.

>>63826154
I like to travel

>>63826179
Yeah lots of women who suck like to travel.

>>63826152
Well to self dox more than I honestly should, I’m a DoorDasher where the good money is more often where you shouldn’t relax

Not that I’m itching to stab a mofo, but I like options besides fist or flight

>>63826478
Go back rapejeet

>>63826478
Recent news shows people need to be worried about you stabbing or shooting over not getting tipped, not the other way around.

Any opinions on Pohl Force Quebec Two?

>>63825671
Yes, being in a survival situation is a niche use case, retard. The vast majority of people who carry a pocketknife around for day-to-day shit aren't magically finding themselves in the middle of the wilderness needing to survive.

>>63827059
A survival knife is a knife you carry at all times for any purpose or use or situation.

>>63826727
Grip is retarded.

>>63827223
I'm talking about pocketknives that regular fucking people carry every day, you retard. Normal people don't carry around a fucking hatchet or 7" knife, because as I said, they're not going to find themselves in a survival situation at work, or running errands, or at home, you retard.

>>63805444
Being tough is not always the goal. In certain applications one would rather the edge roll than chip, and be easy to sharpen with found or primitive tools.
For example a survival knife. A knife camping when its weeks long and you carry in. A long hike knife. Most woodcraft, bushcraft, survival fags still adhere to the advice (advice that came from decades of hands on experience) in knife choice. Someone like Horace Kephart would have recommended 1075.
Its nothing if you are a high blood pressure indoor job type knife aficionado if you strike something hard the one time you use your knife this year and chip it out.
For a guy on a week long camping trip who paddles in in a canoe its different. Supersteels are off the table for many reasons

>>63827342
nah this is insane retard shit. I'd much rather have the blade chip than roll. You can still cut with a chipped blade.

>>63827378
Lol, no kid. Just no. A chip can be big, small, lead to total failure. A roll is simply a spot that can be "realigned" and good as new with something as simple as a rock. You have to be 18 to post here bud.

>>63827240
I'd really like something similar to this knife, but without the retarded grip. And not overpriced like Randall made stuff

>>63827423
>>63827259

>>63827423
Nah, that's utterly retarded and the type of shit only a moron mall ninja who has never used a knife would say.

Try not to slam your knife into your mom's granite counter when opening chips next time or she'll stop buying you toys.

>>63827342
>Being tough is not always the goal. In certain applications one would rather the edge roll than chip
Do you not even understand what toughness is?
Higher toughness means less likely to chip.

>>63827455
No, softer steels roll. Harder steels chip and dont roll.

>>63827450
Those who actually USE knives tend to encounter situations where the knife comes into contact with hard objects or high forces. Those who open Amazon packages while wishing that their gut hadn't swallowed their dick do not.

>>63827482
I use knives every day and don't. No, what you're saying is simply untrue.

Stop trying to baton through your mom's pans. That's not bushcraft, you're just a mongoloid.

>>63827471
Wow, you actually don't even understand what toughness means.
Holy shit.
>>63827482
I've had no issues cutting all manner of shit with my PM2 on construction sites.

>>63827493
Harder steels chip. Softer steels roll. This is common knowledge. Has been for a long, long time. You are now stupid.

>>63827519
>I use knives every day and don't [encounter situations where the knife comes into contact with hard objects or high forces]
I don't think he was even talking about that, retard-kun.

>>63827519
>harder steels chip
Not going to chip on wood, hide, meat, etc. Chipping is a made up problem for suburbanites.
>softer steels roll
Can happen to any soft steel in any material. Rolls are also horrible, and prevent cutting, while chips do not.

You are a retard. Your knives suck and your larp is gay.

>>63827514
Toughness could be explained to the layman as its elasticity. The tougher the more resistant it is to deformation. The issue with that is much like glass vs plastic when it does deform it breaks (chips). Where something that has more elasticity will dull and give to deformation easily, but will roll or bend instead of chipping or breaking.
I think perhaps it is YOU who is ignorant

>>63827530
Rolls do not require you sharpen the blade removing material until the chip is gone.

>>63827540
I studied this shit in college for my mechanical engineering degree.
I get the feeling you didn't, if you're saying toughness is "elasticity".

Redpill me on Bohler steels

>aware the OTF knives are completely useless for basically every task except opening mail and I wouldn't trust them with my life in a self defense scenario
>still spend several hundred/thousand a year buying them because they are cool as fuck
why do OTFs do this to me

>>63827588
You will have to do more than plea to authority and copy and paste definitions if you would like to make an argument counter to common knowledge.
Elasticity fits the bill for a layman explanation. Talking over people's heads usually means one is afraid their position won't stand scrutiny. These "super steels" are designed to take impacts and pressures and not deform (dent, crack, break). Than that in turn means when you sharpen them to a fine edge and go past the "breaking point" they chip, Crack and break. Where a softer (less tough) steel will roll, bend, dent and deform.
And that is important. And you most definitely can still cut with a knife that has a roll spot.

>>63827880
The new microtech zero blade play ones look interesting.

>>63827883
I'm going to buy one of those soon.
The last several OTFs I bought were from Guardian Tactical. Two ex-microtech employees that quit and set out to make knives that addressed all the issues with Microtech stuff.
I own 10ish microtechs but none of the Gen III stuff.

>>63827259
I've carried fixed blades with 6"-8" blades every day for 20 years

>>63827958
I've tried doing this dozens of times in my life but with the frequency that I use knives fixed blades are a fucking nightmare to sheathe and unsheathe constantly.
I could only imagine them being useful if you had to use a knife very sparingly.

>>63823693
Short version: Deadlock is suing Microtech for ripping off the design for "zero blade play".

Long version: I've not had a disassembled Deadlock in front of me to compare to, so take this with a grain of salt from my time assembling everything short of Glykons and Atreus (Atreui? plural?) :

I don't think the lawsuit will go anywhere. The mechanisms appear to be different enough to get it tossed or settled for pennies and no blocks. From what I heard well before the lawsuit was started, the ZBP (back when it was ZBT) idea was started as a friendly bet between Tony and another CEO to come up with a way to make an OTF without blade wiggle. Normally OTFs have blade wiggle due to the fact that the bade is traveling the entire fucking length of the handle and needs space to operate.

I am not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice at all, I used to work for Microtech, Tony's got an ego but is smart as hell and has the talent literally anywhere in the shop to back it up (except maybe inspiring the bottom rung), I own a few Microtechs but not a ZPB OTF.

>>63827882
>Where a softer (less tough)
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of toughness. It is the exact opposite.
>something that has more elasticity will dull and give to deformation easily
You're conflating Young's modulus with plastic deformation. They're not the same fucking thing.
>m-muh appeal to authority
Shut the fuck up.

>>63827958
That doesn't change any of what I said.

>>63828208
Nah, you are just wrong. "Muh engineering" lol.
There is a reason lawn mower blades aren't made of these steels. There is a reason every time you watch a knife chopping competition when the blades fail and they do its catastrophic. There is a reason axes, and other blades striking tools aren't made of these "super steels". And the reason isn't price.
The reason is simply because they resist until they can't then they fail catastrophically.
"Muh toughness" get a refund on that education fat ass because you didn't pick up what they were putting down in the application part.
A roll is preferred to a chip. A chip is a failure that requires loss of material to fix.
Its that simple. You can not control the size and accompanying fractures that come with a chip.
"Muh tool steel"
Back to bed Busse

>>63828208
Went to college, doesn't understand "simply explanation a layman can understand".
You got molested at a college by a chubby chaser perhaps. You definitely didn't attend one.

>>63828282
knives are cutting tools and not striking tools.

You are a mongoloid.

>>63828309
Comprehension isn't all that great huh tubby?

>>63828320
Comprehend my cock, I'll fuck the stupid out of you

>>63828282
>Nah, you are just wrong. "Muh engineering" lol. There is a reason lawn mower blades aren't made of these steels. There is a reason every time you watch a knife chopping competition when the blades fail and they do its catastrophic. There is a reason axes, and other blades striking tools aren't made of these "super steels". And the reason isn't price.
When did I say anything about any of this? Also, yes, price is absolutely a contributing factor in material selection.
>"Muh toughness" get a refund on that education fat ass because you didn't pick up what they were putting down in the application part.
My nigger in Christ, you're the one that thinks high toughness means it's brittle. You are a certifiable mouth-breather
>A roll is preferred to a chip. A chip is a failure that requires loss of material to fix.
Yes, and? What's your point?
>"Muh tool steel"
>Back to bed Busse
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?
>Nah, you are just wrong. "Muh engineering" lol.
Kek, cope and seethe, fucking mong.

>>63828325
When was the last time you pulled up the rolls and exposed that nub to air?
Its rough when you realize you were wrong huh lard ass?

>>63828293
>"simply explanation a layman can understand".
The "simply explanation" wasn't an accurate simplification, it was completely incorrect. Keep coping, retard-kun.

>>63828336
Last week, the stench was enough to knock out your mom, but she powered through blowing me anyway.

>>63828336
Post hands, smoothbrain.

>>63828333
Look at you go shut in. Type type typing away about something you have zero fuck all experience actually doing.
Sounds like
>>muh muh muh knife on a construction sight
Lol, the place 99% of people use with zero issues disposable razor blade knives

>>63828343
My mom is a transvestite. Good on you letting a pre op blow you.

>>63828355
Duh, because that's the true solution.
>edge chipped
New blade

If you don't use a razor knife, you don't do shit with your knives, they're toys.
>n-no I use them so hard
No you don't. You don't DO anything, you waste time playing with toys.

>>63828355
>you have zero fuck all experience actually doing.
AHAHAHA
The cope is fucking PALPABLE.
>99% of people use with zero issues disposable razor blade knives
And I use my S30V Spyderco with zero issues as well. What's your point?

>>63828362
damn that's worse than anything I can say, hope your mom/dad buys you a nice new knife with the cash I gave her.

>>63828347
Northern wet climate, slimy deck. Jesus have you ever heard of preventative maintenance?

>>63828368
Your spiderco is on par with a blade that costs pennies. Got it.

>>63828371
I hope my fat tranny mom gave you herpies

>>63828378
>>63828388
>Northern wet climate, slimy deck
What are you even talking about?
Really grasping at straws to cope, huh? How about posting some knives.

>>63828031
>From what I heard well before the lawsuit was started, the ZBP (back when it was ZBT) idea was started as a friendly bet between Tony and another CEO to come up with a way to make an OTF without blade wiggle
good 'ol Microtech, it's just a prank bro
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/natrix-vs-matrix-the-0777-quagmire.1464781/

>>63828456
>to cope
It does appear to be covered in mold. Kinda gross.

>>63828968
Slimy even

>>63828649
Don't remember which one it was, but Tony's son ripped off the design and shape of one of MT's blades, and then because he didn't have enough machines he asked Tony to cut some blades. Tony agreed, the son sent over specs, and Tony and co went "Yo, hold the fuck up... these are ours!". He (allegedly) gave his son a chance to apologize and fix it but his son said no, so he started the suit.

I do not know about WE / 0777 / Kershaw debacle so I can't comment. All this is hearsay on my part as I was nowhere near high up enough on the totem pole to know The Truth™

As an aside, i fucking hate the Matrix. Made in China to "alleviate costs" but the fucker's still $480, more than a goddamn Ultratech. Hell, it's more than a SOCOM Auto, for fucks sake!

>>63829078
>Tony's son ripped off the design and shape of one of MT's blades
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree it seems
>I do not know about WE / 0777 / Kershaw debacle
Picture says it all, Matrix is a straight up design rip of the 0777, except ZT (initially) made theirs with a composite blade.
Kershaw later made a knife called the Natrix which was essentially a Mini Matrix but the name was a double entendre since Natrix is not only one letter off from Matrix but is also a species of grass snake (snake in the grass).

>>63805265
>this retard still buys muh supersteel
you pay for quality, retard
steel is literally just an iron alloy, with traces of other element, watch the DBK video regarding TOPS Storm Vector and deprogram yourself

there are people in this very thread that unironically buy kershaw and spyderco knives.
mock them.

>>63830394
there are people in this very thread that don't unironically buy kershaw and spyderco knives.
mock them.

>>63830394
I daily a kershaw livewire, its the best carry knife ive ever owned.

>>63830394
Spyderco and kabar, all you need.
>they hated him cos he told them the truth

>>63829424
> Natrix which was essentially a Mini Matrix but the name was a double entendre since Natrix is not only one letter off from Matrix but is also a species of grass snake (snake in the grass).

That's fucking hilarious. Fuck Kershaw tho for not using a standard bit for the pivot for customer adjustment (unless that's supposed to be a Torx in the middle?) Also I hate those fullers that are open on the front end. It looks so stupid on the Gen3 UT Tantos.

>>63830696
> spyderco
> literally the "Skateboarding isn't illegal!" of knives.

>>63828968
>>63829031
>still no knives
>still no hands
>still coping

>>63831385
I would really like that one if it had a bit more of a finger guard.

>>63831682
It may not look like it from the picture, but it has enough of a contour to give it solid grip for what it is. The blade's only ~.1" thick, about 10 thou at the edge unsharpened.

>>63831772
My tism dictates a finger guard, but it’s a very nice knife. JRE sheath dyed dark brown would match it.

>>63831783
Yeah, I have a few that I need to make sheaths for, but my first attempt didn't go amazingly well so I've been putting off trying again.

>>63831828
The JRE rectangle looks classy and easy to make, as someone who has never made a sheath. https://jreindustries.com/shop/ols/products/jre-model-v

>>63831385
>finally buys new decking
>just 1 plank
Bit by bit anon, I belive in you!

>>63831385
You can tell by wear and patina a lot about the user of a knife. For example in this knifes minimal use you can see the user has never done any cuts that would test the ergonomics of the handle. The lack of blade towards the thumb web pull cuts, lack of draw cuts, overall lack of use on the parts of the blade where the majority of strong cuts would be done suggests its owner puts his little fingers in his ass a lot while he jerks it to a family picture of his mommy.

>>63832069
Yes, I know it's never been used. I haven't even put an edge on it yet, but nice try again retard-kun.

>>63832126
You should probably stop before you actually get called out.

>>63832160
Get called out for what, exactly?

>>63830782
>unless that's supposed to be a Torx in the middle
it is
>the "Skateboarding isn't illegal!" of knives
to me they're more "yeah it looks ridiculous but you should try using it"

>>63832170
How have sales been lately?

>>63832279
Sales of what, knives?
See >>63808936

>>63832202
>it is
Weird. Feels like it'll strip too easily, but I might be too used to MT's oversized torx lmao

> to me they're more "yeah it looks ridiculous but you should try using it"
Eh, to each their own. The only one that I'd consider carrying would be the Manix because it's got a proper locking mechanism and I can open and close it one-handed.

Pic unrelated, i just picked it up on Friday. Gonna get it lasered for a Warhawk mouth.

>>63832331
>Feels like it'll strip too easily
it's a small knife, you shouldn't be having issues undoing the pivot unless you're using loctite on them
>to each their own
I've been collecting knives since the mid 2000s and after all that time the one I carry and use the most now is a basic Endura

>>63832511
That is the ugliest style of blade in existence, I refuse to own a knife with that shape of blade.

>>63832552
The Endura has been made for 35 years and currently has about ten available versions so it's doing something right

I just ordered some Vz58 bayonets without the scabbard, for $20 each. The seller only had type 2,3,4 though. Not my pic

>>63832581
It's a crime against aesthetics. Much like every Ruko knife I've ever seen.
That style of blade isn't just insulting to knives, it's insulting to the very memetic concept of a knife.
Whoever thought u that blade shape, and every single person ever who has bought one are aesthetically handicapped, these are the kind of people who would wear socks with sandals or who would paint a truck pink.

>>63832615
And yet it continues to sell, much to your chagrin. What knife would you suggest people get instead?

>>63832634
>yet it continues to sell
So? It's not exactly obscure knowledge that the majority of people are low IQ mouth-breathing morons who don't even have internal dialogue capability.
>Instead?
A knife shaped knife, not a knife that says "I asked the smith to give me a jewish nose in knife form"

>>63832650
>So?
Again, it must be doing something right if people are buying it despite it being "a crime against aesthetics"
>A knife shaped knife
What specific knife, or knives, would you consider your preferred example of one? If you don't specify any then that tells me you don't actual like knives and shouldn't be listened to.

>>63832672
>it must be doing something right if people are buying it
People buy skibidi toilets (whatever the fuck those even are), both big bang theory and desperate housewives are popular shows, fidget spinners sell well. Popularity is not an indicator of quality.

>>63832672
There are 29 images ITT right now of knife-shaped knives, figure it out.

>>63832715
>>63832724
>no specific examples of knives they like
thanks for verifying my suspicions

>>63832795
Anon gave you simple directions to find numerous examples without even clicking off-page.

here is an old photo of most of my knives.
I believe it is missing 3-4 microtechs and three other OTFs of various variety.

>>63832854
>greater majority of knives posted have long and pointy blades just like the Endura
So now that we've established that the Endura has a blade profile similar to most other knives can you put up an actual argument that proves you care or are knowledgeable about knives?

>>63832795
>>63832874
So you are mentally handicapped.

>>63821297 My plate carriers have smaller stabby knives on them, but I will typically put my Cold steel SRK-C or Sog Seal pup elite on my LBE because they actually get used as utility knives being I’m wearing them for days at a time in the woods (larping) and it won’t be a nightmare if it got lost or stolen (larping at MSW)

>>63832887
You're the one unable to make an argument here, never mind no one that responded to me is willing or seemingly able to present an example of a knife they think is ideal

>>63832901
I'm sorry to hear about your deficiency, me holding your hand might lead you to a single image but you've got to learn to think on your own.

>>63832921
>me holding your hand
You aren't though, you're just whining without proving anything. You literally couldn't even post a knife.

>>63832935
No, I just pointed you to numerous examples that are a scroll-wheel away, already posted ITT. One you can't not see at the same time as the orifinal post.

>>63832947
>I just pointed you to numerous examples
That just proved my point that the Endura isn't much different in blade profile from many other knives.
So, you got a knife to post or you just going to continue to prove me right?

>>63832868
I've got that CRKT, if an M16-03Z is what it is. People hate on the autolawks, but it really is a genius invention. No less convenient than a normal liner lock for me.

>>63833126
that is what it is.
I've owned several over the years.
My very first pocket knife I bought with my own money was a CRKT M16. Loved those things, great little knives for the price.
Only complaint about them is the blade steel is extremely fragile, I've snapped the tip off several of them just cutting random shit like you would with any other knife.

>>63832973
No, you've proven my statement about IQ and aesthetic challenge.
Anyone ele ITT can take the descriptor of "jewish nose" with your image and discern the difference between it and all other knive ITT.

>>63833339
>you've proven my statement about IQ and aesthetic challenge
Which proves that don't actually care about knives and shouldn't be listened to, so thanks for vindicating me.

>>63833428
>if you think i'm stupid that means you don't like knives!
Full-retard take.

>>63833520
If you care about knives then post your suggestion for one and explain why you think it's good

>>63833554
I already did, with words, to both of your points.
It's a (You) problem if you need a fucking picture book.

>>63833612
Ironic because anon has been directed to pictures, lol.

>>63833612
point out the post(s) then, hopefully it's of an actual knife and not some generalization based off of a group of people living in your head rent free

>>63833635
I would, but you can't even use a scroll-wheel, how would you figure out a hyperlink?

>>63833628
None specifically. If you can only make generalizations and point to other people's posts instead of making your own then you don't actually care about what you're talking about.

>>63833640
>I would
>but
thanks for proving me right once again

>>63833658
That's a desperate imagination you got there.

>>63833647
Logical fallacy

>>63833675
There's nothing to imagine though, I asked someone to prove they care about something and they literally refused to

>>63833685
Best way to prove me wrong is to prove you/they care, otherwise it's just bloviating

Did some reddit retard come over here to shitpost and try to derail this thread or something?
Fuck's sake.

It's not a true knife thread if there aren't two anons spamming it with retarded bickering
Before the thread dies, whats your favorite knife used by any military?

>>63833799
SS Dagger

>>63832323
No, your asshole on the street.

>>63833872
Wow, you really got me there retard-kun. You still haven't posted any knives. You do have knives, right?

>>63833930
Ive posted a few. What the fuck are you talking about there rotten wood poster?

>>63808936
That's fucking nasty. Fucking do some maintenance you God damn slob.

>>63833980
Sure you have.

>>63833980
>>63833991
Kek, he's still desperately seething.

>>63834021
Its almost like you don't realize how disgusting it is and what it says about you.

>>63834074
>says high toughness means something is more brittle
>gets called out for being a retard
>w-w-well... your deck is gross!
Embarrassing.

>>63834096
>>more
Being relitive to the steels the conversation was about. As well as certain materials chipping out due to the composition of the mix itself. S30v comes to mind...
Do keep going. Its no just that its gross. Its that you have done zero maintenance. Its a rotting cesspool and at this point its probably dangerous. Your lack of attention to detail is on par considering the shoddy work you do.

>>63834180
This has to be bait at this point.

>>63833799
The gak 108 mm to the far right of your photo is the best military knife. It's got everything ya need. The best models are victorinox made with the nail file built into the saw but your mileage may vary.

>>63834264
I would start posting 80crv2 and CruForge choppers that had completed failures in run ups to chopping competitions where the fucking leaf spring and 1075 chopper control knives did not but I don't think your little mind could handle it nor do i think you can comprehend what I have actually said due to both your parents sharing the same parents.

>>63834322
So the TOUGHER steels didn't exhibit brittle failure?
Wow, you're so retarded you don't even realize you just made my point.
Hey retard-kun, what is this?

>>63834358
Reading comprehension fail

>>63834457
You know so much better than me, right?
You should know what that graph is. What is it? What does it represent?
Oh, and reverse image search probably won't be much help.

>>63834479
Feel free to post the toughness on a ranked scale of the steels i mentioned, 1075, 1095 80crv2 and cru. I have all that data right here. We can talk again when you put up.

>>63834543
So you don't. Not that I'm surprised.
Here you go. Doesn't have 1075, unfortunately, but assume it's a bit of a bump up from 1084.

>>63834639
Its below 80crv2. And now you have posted showing that I am, in fact correct. Good job fag.

>>63834639
1075 sits around 25 at a RCH of 61
Again. Im right, you are wrong, your deck is a cesspool clean it the fuck up.

>>63835142
What's below 80CrV2? 1095?
I highly doubt your leaf spring is 1095. Probably 5160, or some silicon alloy.

>>63835167
>1075 sits around 25 at a RCH of 61
I thought you said you have "all the data right here". That's not data.

>>63835142
>>63835167
>I'm right you're wrong
My nigger, you said
>Where a softer (less tough) steel
Look at the graph you say demonstrates that you're right. Do the lines go up or down when you decrease the hardness?
You've said softer means less toughness.
You've confused hardness with toughness.
You've confused toughness with yield strength. You've conflated elastic with plastic deformation.
Fucking
KEK

>>63835282
Im not a nigger, you are clearly the descendant of sheep rapist and mud farmers though.
80CRV2 is tougher on the scale than 1075. And 1095 and 1084 for that matter. And yet when told that 1075 didn't fail and 80crv2 did you claimed the tougher metal didn't fail. Fucking lol the level of retarded you are.
All this because you dont know shit and think chipping and breaking blades is better than rolling an edge.
You are full retard, full stop. Now you have been spanked on the pp, go cry to someone who gives a shit about your failed education.
Not to mention you cannot even articulate my points you failed to counter.
Right on your little pp. Spank. Spank. Go tell mommy you piddled. Does mommy make you feel funny in your pants little boy?
Go eat shit Dunning syndrome motherfucker

>>63835338
Citation required.

>>63835338
>All this because you dont know shit and think chipping and breaking blades is better than rolling an edge.
That wasn't me, retard-kun.
>Dunning syndrome motherfucker
>Not to mention you cannot even articulate my points you failed to counter.
AHAHAHA
How ironic. Do you even know what any of the shit I said in >>63835282 even means? You don't. You still haven't provided "all the data [you have] right here". You still haven't said what this graph >>63834358 means.
I called you out on your ignorance, and you've proceeded to throw a tantrum, calling me fat (lol), saying my deck is gross (lol), calling me inbred (lol), and just a slew of other retarded, middle school-level insults.
How are you not embarrassed?

>>63835338
>sheep rapist
It's not rape if they don't resist, and sheep are sluts.

>>63835439
Alhamdulillah habibi

>>63835454
I help a neighbour who has a few hundred sheep, if you scratch them between the shoulders you could butcher their own lamb right in front of them and they wouldn't give a fuck, comes time to sheer them and you just grab a sheep, plunk it on it's and move it around however you want to shave it, the sheep just accepts it.

>>63835474
That's wild.

>>63835513
Strictly speaking; it's tame.
The ones who resist get turned into mutton, so it's literally bred out of them to resist a man.

>>63813673
My favorite EDC knife is the Ontario RAT. I have a lot of knives such as old school microtech, and 9/10 days is the RAT. It's good enough in virtually every situation you may encounter that requires a knife.