Thread 63805461

START treaty is now dead, the Russians are putting their nuclear airplanes in hangers. thoughts?
>https://www.state.gov/new-start-treaty

>>63805461 (OP)
well shit they are in the state of war so who cares about some treaty

We put ours in hangers too

I think the US probably approves of Russia doing this.

>>63805471
We don't really because we don't have any

>>63805471
???

>>63805461 (OP)
I wonder if the guy who proposed it to generals got whacked for speaking out before they implemented it.

>hastily welded sheet metal sheds
THE FIRST DRONE BLOWS A HOLE IN THE METAL. THE SECOND DRONE DEPLOYS THE SPICY SURPRISE AND TURNS IT INTO A DUTCH OVEN.

>>63805461 (OP)
>2025
>russia has finally unlocked the technology to build a box to put airplanes in

kek

>>63805484
It's not about protecting the plane, it's about denying us the high-res aftermath pictures of burnt birds.

>>63805480
what are those large structures just to the north of the planes do you think?

>>63805503
Maintenance/storm shelters.

>we didn't have hangars because they're BANNED!
Dipshit, there's no treaty against protecting your bombers and russia gives a shit about verification
>and they aren't forced to leave they bombers undefended after wasting their AD in Ukraine.

>>63805484
Both America and Russia rotate their bombers across multiple airbases, just covering up the bombers will make them harder to track unless you constantly monitor each plane 24/7 via satellite.

>>63805505
for the planes?

>>63805461 (OP)
Parking bombers in the open 24/7 was never part of New Start. This idea is pure Russian cope/misinformation.

New START Treaty
Article X, Section 2:

>2. The obligation not to use concealment measures includes the obligation not to use them at test ranges, including measures that result in the concealment of ICBMs, SLBMs, ICBM launchers, or the association between ICBMs or SLBMs and their launchers during testing. The obligation not to use concealment measures shall not apply to cover or concealment practices at ICBM bases or to the use of environmental shelters for strategic offensive arms.

https://media.nti.org/documents/new_start_treaty.pdf

>b-but Michael Flynn said...

Michael Flynn is a Russian asset. He plead guilty to lying about it. He'd be in prison if Trump's idea of "owning the libs" didn't include subverting U.S. national security to troll US citizens with bachelors degrees.

The Russians were just being incompetent poors, per usual.

>>63805510
They didn't have hangers because they're poor but there were also rules for visibility. Until recently nuclear capable craft were supposed to be kept out in the open whenever possible so that the opposite side could verify from space that you weren't exceeding the maximum amount bombers.

This is also why some deactivated nuclear bombers on display outdoors have parts of their wings/empennage removed

>>63805461 (OP)
Putin killed START in 2021

>>63805461 (OP)
>now
They ditched the current treaty in 2023 and bailed from previous treaties before. Nowhere it said anything about hangers and the reason why they weren't before is due to corruption, complacency, lack of funding and ineptitude.
>thoughts?
You're a retard.

>>63805461 (OP)
>photo shows HAS for fighters
>muh START (no I haven't read it, just regurgitating what I saw on xitter)
>muh nukes

>>63805484
I don't think those drones carry enough explosives to make a hole like that. In any case you would need twice as many drones which makes it worth installing cheap sheets of metal

>>63805552
We have seen the AFU put thermite payloads on their drones though.

>>63805554
Sorry reality doesn't conform to your deliriums, Rasheed.

>>63805554
How are they shills?

>>63805461 (OP)
>START treaty is now dead
It already was 2 years ago when Russia pulled out of it.
>the Russians are putting their nuclear airplanes in hangers
They already had. In the hangers they built nearer to the frontlines. They didn't have hangers in the far-flung bases because they thought those were "safe"

Stay dead, ziggie

wow i can smell the subhumanity of this thread even through the internet

a true contemporary miracle

time to kill yourself OP

>>63805554
Please 1) cite where in START it says you couldn't leave your planes in hangars, and 2) why START matters since Putin left it earlier before the strike anyway, or admit your defeat.

>>63805513
Man, if only there was a meticulous autist who makes highly detailed plans with multiple contingencies...

>>63805516
The New START treaty specifically forbids interference with satellite surveillance. But it's all irrelevant, since Russia left the treaty years ago.

>The treaty permits the use of national technical means of verification (e.g. satellites) in a manner consistent with international law, and contains explicit provisions that prohibit interference with NTM and the use of concealment measures that may impede monitoring by NTM.
https://www.state.gov/new-start-treaty

also https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/140035.pdf

>>63805461 (OP)
Do you mean the START treaty that expired in 2009 or the New START treaty that Russia withdrew from in 2023?

>>63805467
Russia unilaterally withdrew from the New START Treaty two years ago

>>63805645
"National technical means" is inclusive of more than just satint, especially by the time of New START. That says nothing that hangers are not a full impediment to SATINT. This says nothing that hangers could be used for something more than monitoring impediment. This says nothing for hangers that could be constructed in such a way as to not interfere. This says nothing that Russia was already using hangers. This says nothing for Russia having willfully withdrawn from the treaty several years ago.

What say you? Or is the only thing you have the ability to ctrl+f on the "key phrase" your handlers gave you and no actual understanding of the underlying ideas?

>>63805461 (OP)
didn't these retards already withdraw?

>>63805706
cool i'm not imagining that.

>>63805739
Ironic post.

>>63805461 (OP)
>is now dead
been dead for a decade

>>63805484
heheh

>>63805610
HE SMILED!

>>63805610
>smiling
That’s the signal, lads.

Do bombers even make sense in today's world? Fighter-Bombers firing long range cruise missiles seems to make more sense.

Are these cope smellkaka hangars?

>>63805467
That sure came out of left field. Is this a bot?

>>63805513
russia doesn't make rotations, very rarely. They began rotating after the attack and that will be only for a little bit, lmao

>>63805610
japanese flag there is basado

>>63805467
and Ukrainian security guarantee

>>63805505
And how would you refer to a shelter for a plane?

>>63805610
clown war

>>63805503
You know how Russians put tires on their planes to protect them? Turns out the best way is to put the whole plane inside a giant tire.

it's best to learn lessons before bad shit happens
the next best thing is learning afterwards

"Ukraine destroyed START! The world is now a more unsafe than before" - This is russian disinformation narratives.

>>63805645
New START explicitly allows parking bombers in hangars. What it bans is parking your active bombers and missiles at test sites.

>>63806173
Russia could just give up their nukes if they want the world be safer place.

>>63805905
A plane-barn, obviously.

>>63805461 (OP)
Hangers legally require proper building code validated ventilation. Those are just cuckboxes.

>ctrl-f "hangar"
>4 results
>ctrl-f "hanger"
>12 results
ESLs really are shitting up this board

>>63805461 (OP)
Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, satellite picture edition

>>63806275
Nah, tits with a bit of nice sag are just always on my mind

>>63805461 (OP)
The hangars need to be built out of a special reinforced concrete and not thin metal.

>>63805461 (OP)
Russia suspended its participation in the START treaty in 2023.

>>63805461 (OP)
should have done this day 0

>>63805552
You use the drone to drop WP on the roof of the thin metal hangar.

>>63806298
>sag
>nice

>>63805472
There is anything Russian than Trump disapprove?

>>63805471
>we
Why do Russian influence threat actors always try to fooled anyone by saying “we”???

>>63806275
>ESLs
lol
Believe it or not, that typo is mostly from EFLs. Same as "should of".

>>63806512
Torpedo tits are Allah's gift to man.

>>63806520
Trump is a #1 cunt and traitor to the Ukrainian people so only thing he disapprove is putins cock not going deep enough into his throat

>>63806512
Saggy tits are nice.
Perky tits are nice.
Tits are nice.

>>63806522
"should of" is not a typo, its mental impairment

>>63805471
Other than the B-2s, which required climate-controlled hangars to reduce maintenance costs for their first-gen RAM, there simply aren't enough hangars at any airbase in the US to hide the fleet from drones; the only options would be to quickly build a bunch, or to disperse the fleet to civilian fields in order to use commercial/private hangars.

>>63805503
That's not north, you can tell from the sun angle.

>>63805503
We do not yet know. Conventional science has answers, but none of them are definitive.

>>63805604
Yeah START is long dead and doesn’t even say this but whatever lets have a big retard Redditor fight about what technically counts as a shelter anyway

>>63806298
lurve me some heavy hangers

>>63805461 (OP)
it's hangars not hangers, am I fucking tripping or has English changed overnight again?

>>63806713
I thought they were called danglers?

>>63806713
>he never played battlefront

>>63805461 (OP)
cope sheds

>>63805749
>v-very ironic saar

>>63805461 (OP)
you will remove your thread now since it's completely wrong right op?

>>63805461 (OP)
My gawd, the Russians have access to shed technology.

>>63805503
Things the B-2 bombers aren’t inside of

Wouldn't the painted silhouettes on the tarmac also count as a concealment measure anyway?

>>63807977
How do you know there aren't 4 B-2s hidden there?
There could be 10 B-2s instead of 6 in that picture, by simply only moving them in and out after the satellites pass over.

>>63805835
>Do bombers even make sense in today's world? Fighter-Bombers firing long range cruise missiles seems to make more sense.
Yes, bombers still have a role.
>fighter-bomber wing takes off
>gotta be close to frontlines or refuel on the way, no drop tanks for you on this trip
>launch 1-2 missiles per plane, can't carry the heaviest stuff without overstressing the airframe
>goes home
>refuel and do turnaround maintenance
>1-2 of the birds in the wing go down
>Time for another mission, the pilots have only been in the air for several hours, it'll totally be fine
>mmmm, cockpit meth, maybe even time to shit while you're at base

Versus
>Bomber take off from other side of country
>carry whatever the fuck you want
>loiter on station for an hour, IDGAF
>launch a dozen missiles from 500 miles out
>Fuck off back home, still have a quarter tank of gas when you land
>Need another fire mission? Cool. The second bomber in the wing took off a couple hours ago, they can deal with it
>grab a sammitch, naptime

Also a wing of bombers that really needs to get extrovert can deliver those missiles *vastly* more cheaply, and the attack will be much easier to organize than trying to coordinate anywhere NEAR their throw weight in multirole aircraft strike packages. Launching/stacking up multiple squadrons for each strike package is a huge pain in the cock, they place a much heavier load on AWACS, and it's not like using the fighters will save any money or effort on SEAD either.

>>63805505
They are climate shelters because the coating on B-2 bombers are sensitive.
They didn't have enough of them for how many B-2s they brought to Guam.

>>63805522
>nuclear capable craft were supposed to be kept out in the open whenever possible so that the opposite side could verify from space that you weren't exceeding the maximum amount bombers.
False. Even if it were true, Russia suspended its START participation in Feb 2023 - they've had over two years to build shelters for aircraft and failed to.

>>63808013
Considering their actual effectiveness? Not really.

>>63805461 (OP)
you should go to the front Ivam

>>63805471
How?

>>63810871
Who gives a shit about effectiveness? It shows intent in concealing the bombers.

>>63805461 (OP)
Russia revoked the START treaty year ago, so no.

OUR ENEMIES HIDE THEIR AIRCRAFT IN METAL BOXES, THE COWARDS, THE FOOLS, WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY THEIR METAL BOXES!

>>63806529
>traitor to the Ukrainian people
tfw I betray a country I am not a citizen of.

>>63805835
It's less expensive to build, maintain, and pilot 1 plane with greater range that carries 4 cruise missiles than 2 planes with less range that carry 2 cruise missiles

>>63805610
This man is your friend. He fights for TZD.

>>63806529
He doesn't owe Ukraine shit.

>>63814388
Ukraine should just have done their best to ignore American "leaders" in 1994, giving up the nukes and trusting America on their request was a deadly mistake.

>>63814388
Kinda does according to his own minerals deal, but he probably forgot he signed it

>>63805461 (OP)
>START treaty is now dead
it was already dead the russians withdrew from it. Are you a propagandist for teh kremlin here to lie?

"On 21 February 2023, during the Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly, Vladimir Putin announced the suspension of Russia's participation in the New START treaty, saying that Russia would not allow the US and NATO to inspect its nuclear facilities."

>>63806529
>Trump is a #1 cunt and traitor to the Ukrainian people so only thing he disapprove is putins cock not going deep enough into his throat
truth

>>63814680
Yeeessss poison that well

>>63805503
those are maintenance hangars you dumb nigger. the planes still sit outside all the fucking time

>>63814873
Why do you think that Ukraine is an equivalent to the kremlin lie machine that has been spewing disnformation for 70 years? You're very interested in whatabouting in such a way as to attack Ukraine as well. I suppose you are one of the kremlin ' glavset' propagandists who posts on this site. You'll probably be dead soon, so whatabout that?

>>63814388
The US does ukies support and aid after taking away the nukes. If you want to avoid a nuclear war in the future, you have to have russia publicly lose this war, since otherwise you'll see an unprecedented level of proliferation and Iran/DPRK issues will seem quaint in comparison.

>>63805461 (OP)
khalino only houses flankers, retard

>>63815069
and miggers

>>63814388
>>63814631
He owes Ukraine their nukes back if he's going to reign on Clinton's deal.

>>63816610
Anon read just a few words after where it says "political commitment"

>>63816638
LMAO, "political committment" means jack absolute shit, and the important part was pre highlighted for you
>"NOT LEGALLY BINDING"
but yah, im sure some congressmen is really devoted to his 'political committment' to keeping ukraines ego afloat

>>63806522
>>63806275
Hangar is same word in most of languages

I mean they're at war and got caught using their strategic bombers as missile trucks expecting what to happen? I think we can give them a pass on this and re-start start after they're done getting lit the fuck up for stalling on a ceasefire.

>>63816675
I wish there was a congressman as commited to uke ego as you and hegseth are to russian ego.

>>63817956
The Turtle is doing OK, maybe out of love for TZD rather than being pro-Ukraine as such but it feels the same in the dark.

now tell me WHO the fuck does perun makes all his powerpoint videos FOR if you don't watch them, fucking retards
START *explicitly allows* hangars

>>63806565
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Simple as

>>63814388
I guess in that case Ukraine doesn't owe him any rare earth metals as per the agreement he signed earlier this year.

>>63808013
that's not concealment at all

Stale kremlin metodichka cope.
the russia quit START years ago, the US has hangars

>>63806565
>>63807640
>>63808045
>>63818680

>>63806521
>Why do Russian influence threat actors always try to fooled anyone

>>63805905
A plane-hole

>>63806567
Hence why it is committed most often by burgers and bongs.