>https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraines-f-16-destroys-russian-su-35-in-first-air-battle-backed-by-swedish-awacs-8983

>>63805853 (OP)
seems like it. I'm still waiting on evidence of the train drone attack a couple days ago

Wouldn't you like to know?

But /k/ told me that those swedish AWACS little planes were mid?

At this point Im convinced that any plane can kill any other plane if you have AWACs and they dont. Thats why the F35 is important.

>>63805853 (OP)
>first air battle backed by AWACS
<<One Flanker on vector 360 confirmed. Continue north to intercept>>
<<Today's my birthday! A victory sure would be nice>>

We don't know, those that do won't risk their clearance to tell us.

>>63805867
>Thats why the F35 is important.
why? (tourist here)

>>63805860
based swedish tiger furries

>>63805875
It's very hard for AWACS to detect and is also capable of doing some of the stuff it can do, though at a much shorter range

>>63805875
F35s have way more tech in them that does the thing that the big radar plane can.

>>63805875
NTA
The F-35 can act as an AWACS and datalink with 4th gens like the F-15 which makes a better launch platform due to it's higher speed.

>>63805853 (OP)
Oh god this is another loss for the Su-35, and another win for F-16? These frames are supposed to be retired and they still get kills.

>>63805864
Some AWACs is better than no AWACS it seems.

>>63805875
It's basically a stealthy mini awacs

Where was the A50 that was supposed to protect those su35 during their combat mission?

>>63805896
Erieye shits all over the A50 anyway

>>63805896
Russia is smol indie country with less awacs than pakistan

>>63805875
>Hard for AWACS to see
>Can see AWACS
>Also act like mini AWACS
>Also happen to be a fighter itself

>>63805853 (OP)
>swedish AWACS
didn't realize they already had those actually up and manned. could start shit really heat up if russia really has as few A-50's as they might now.

well, it's "true" in that if the government is saying it, you take it as a claim from them. but you also need to take the claim from all governments in this regard.

it's best to go by evidence, though. a su-35 was downed by something or had an accident. until proof is provided, you can't be sure what happened.

>>63805909
>could start shit really heat up
honestly i can't even believe i typed that, what the fuck.

where is that NATO vs. Warsaw pact dofighting image when i need it?

>>63805909
>>63805928
Well they could start shit

>>63805929
the only footage i recall being released is of a mig-31 downing a su-27 bvr.

governments seem to be hesitant in releasing footage of their claims.

>>63805925
Ukraine doesn't post bold faced lies like Russia, but instead massages information and lies through omission. If they are claiming it, then I believe it. It's very plausible given the ramp up of F-16s, loss of AWACS, and Russia wanting to push their jets closer to fire more glide bombs.

How many F-16s and mirage 2000s has Ukraine got anyways?

>>63805951
This is the same guy that said full self driving was extremely easy 18 years ago.

>>63805946
i've seen both sides lie and tell the truth (outright or exaggerations). i've seen it with all nations. india and pakistan was a good recent one, and if there was no wreckage of the downed rafale, no one would know one was downed. now whether it was by a pl-15 or accident, none of us are privy to that info.

they have several f-16s in service and it's unknown with the mirages. they have around 40 mig-29s and 20 su-27s still.

>>63805958
i wonder if he's referring to the youtuber who demonstrated this with consumer equipment a few months back

>>63805983
>>63805951
I saw that video too. Honestly if you just spread those out you would defeat stealth

>>63805853 (OP)
sambush, like in 2024 and 2023.

>>63805983
>>63805998
The problem with using it against fighters at 40,000ft instead of a drone in the same room is angular resolution.
For the forseeable future a single pixel can't provide targeting data as it could be a bug 100m away or a jet 10km away.

>>63805871
<< You're not going to believe this, Vlad Vladovich. They're all Ghost of Kiev's >>

>>63805853 (OP)
No, it's not
> Source is a Bild
> 1/2 ppl who told that to Bild already retracted their comments

>>63806005
If that works at all, couldn't you just add a second camera and eliminate that problem?
You might even get rough distance measurements if you can stabilize the thing well enough.
Maybe add some other kind of sensors, too. I don't really want to use the term "AI", as it's getting overused by retarded marketing drones to the point of losing all meaning, but I think there might be some unexplored or unimplemented opportunities for all kinds of sensor fusion shananigans.

>>63805856
Same, I believe it since Ukraine has just shown it can do it and Russia has been awfully quiet aboout it, but I'm expecting some sort or footage or at least a satellite image showing it.

>>63806040
With a fuckload of cameras looking at the same target you could probably use fancy math to filter noise but at that point you have a shitload of fancy cameras on extremely stable tracking mounts and the cost is so high you might as well use active detection.

Kek
Did Ukriane have amy AWACS before this? Have never heard of any before this and some AWACS would actually let the ukies fight back against the VKS at range for the first time.

>>63805853 (OP)

This explains why started seeing tankies post SWEDISH AWACS IS SHIT AND USELESS.

>>63806059
No, it was literally just ground radar. Yeah, they were always fighting with one armed tied behind their backs.

>>63805860
I didn't know Sviden had T-I-G-E-R-S

>>63806078
Soon Sweden will have more T-I-G-E-R-S than Russia.

>>63806031
You were saying, Ivan?

>>63806145
merely a malfunction

>>63805949
what does the 2nd + sign mean?

>>63805896
>B-but the two they blew up were nonfunctional! We still have all of our functioning AWACS, we just stationed them at the north pole for safety!

>>63805896
crew sent to liberate Ukrainian front lines please understand

also SEX WITH OLD HAGS

>>63805949
lol the "++" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

>>63805949
>4th++++++++++ (3rd gen)

>>63806145
the "Russian Aviation" watermark is unintentionally hilarious. looks more like a caption

>>63805961

Ukraine has lost 3 F-16s. 1 seems by enemy SAM and the other 2 likely fuckups by pilot and/or friendly fire?

>>63806078
we had them since the 1940s
Seriously though, it's wordplay
>Tala (speaking) is silver, tiga (silence) is gold
bend "tiga" with present tense and it becomes "tiger"
>A Swede keeps quiet - feel free to talk, but not about the defense
>A SWEDISH TIGER

>>63806145
Minor temporary mechanical problem.
SU-35 return airfield under own power.

>>63805867
This should have been fairly obvious at any point after Desert Storm. E-3s were what made the whole air war work, (mostly) de-conflicting the hundreds of friendly aircraft in the air at any one time and vectoring fighters onto any suspicious contacts. Any nation that didn't figure this out decades ago is foolish.

>>63805853 (OP)
>Chat
cringe and gay even if used ironically

>>63805856
>>63806043
Uke and OSINT reporters are beginning to disavow it
the propaganda war has taken a new turn; we can't rely on Russian doomers 100% any more because either 1) they're not above exaggerating their own losses or 2) the AFU is putting out Telegram screenshots that appear to be Russian but aren't

>>63806459
>Uke and OSINT reporters are beginning to disavow it
They're not though.

>>63805867
no shit, doofus

>>63805961
>i've seen both sides lie
yep
however
>india and pakistan
are in a league of their own
it's pointless trying to follow that conflict because there's absolutely zero basis for trust

>>63806059
nope
it's ridiculous how naked in the air they were before getting NATO missiles; they were like Iraq in 1991

>>63806486
>https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1931682216934769106
You were saying?

>>63805856
there was FIRMS data

>>63806352
god damn it, Sweden

>>63805961
>and it's unknown with the mirages
There is literally footage bruh

>>63806177
>also SEX WITH OLD HAGS
Doesn't go so hard as before, since hags are now my age. The age of hags is over, now zoomerettes are in.

>>63806549
hey, it works

>>63806571
>Doesn't go so hard as before, since hags are now my age.
IKTF, although to me the hag age-group has just been repeatedly revised upward. Another anon in the hangar thread was complaining about hangers, but I'm OK now with a little sag.

>>63806542
firms data indicates a hot something happening, but it doesn't do a great job of distinguishing between a drone attack on a hundred vehicles on a train vs a derailed crude oil train on fire. usually after a few days the OSINT guys will get some kind of satellite photo, or we'll have some phone footage from bemused locals on telegram, or ukraine will drop some rough estimate and a teaser of footage.

>>63805853 (OP)
nothing happened until proven otherwise

>Ukraine, the corruptest shithole of Europe, now has more AWACS than Russia, the second military in the world (self-described)
what is this bizarro world?

>>63805938
I think he means the K/D

>>63806751
Ummm sweetie that would be Albania.

>>63805864
They are mid.
Being mid is significant upgrade from budget soviet tech anon.

>>63806775
apologies
>Albania, the corruptest shithole of Europe, now has about as much AWACS as Russia, the second military in the world (self-described)
sound any less bizarro?

>>63806780
>hey everybody look we have an ephebophile over here!!! see nobody cares

>>63805864
>But /k/ told me that those swedish AWACS little planes were mid?
Those were Indians and Israelis.

>>63805856
There was literally nothing to back that up other than one FIRMS screencap and an undated picture of a damaged train engine, everything else was cooked up from whole cloth by the usual hopium plebbitors, I was extremely skeptical from the get go.
I sure fucking hope this one is true, though.

>>63805864
Mid > nothing

>>63806145
>You can't park there mate.

I like how this war has been a huge validation for European military tech, showing that it can pull equal to American military tech and in some cases surpass it.
Yet American Exceptionalism faggots are sitting here going UMMM AKSHUALLY.

>Ukraine is slowly winning the air war

>>63806145
the plane was not even damaged, it's just resting the pilot had to piss

if anything whatsoever had actually happened to that plane then it was an ukrainian plane

Weird how ziggers aren't spamming about this morning's strike on a ukie airbase with alleged "total destruction of xoxol airforce on contact".

>>63806832
european military was pretty much asleep since ww2.
not sure if i want to see what happens when it wakes up.

>>63806832
American shit is overrated propped up by an insane amount of propaganda and goodwill. Just look at the car industry. American made is absolutely trash compared to European/Asian cars. No wonder Orange Taco wants to ban all imports of cars to the US.

>>63806780
glownigger I.....

>>63805856

>>63807070
I really hope that we got some better pictures soon.could the brown stuff be the grain that mentioned?

>>63806890
Nah it works extremely well. That's not to say other stuff doesn't as well. It's not particularly exceptional except with aircraft and missiles

>>63807096
grain mentioned was merely Russian psychosis as they start to see enemies everywhere after big defeat

>>63806183
kek

>>63806145
I`m saying that Bild made some shit about AWACS usage, no one denies that plane was shot.

>>63807102
are you sure?I think I saw some posts here claiming that the drones were hidden on a train that carried grain and military gear.

>>63806832
there is advantages and disadvantages to having a singular centralised military, one of the disadvantages is you dont get several militaries running different modernisation programs and developing kit specific for their own local enviroment so in a lot of areas the us is behind the lates euro tech especially in artillery systems. Advantages is you can more easily pull of large projects like having a big navy or making the f-35

>>63807117
yeah that's what Russian telegrams claimed but that's Russian psychosis. There was no drones in grain, there's enough range for Ukrainian parasite drones to hit trains and they already hit several trains on that rail before

>>63807120
>the us is behind the lates euro tech especially in artillery systems
the US uses HIMARS

>>63807177
>there's enough range for Ukrainian parasite drones to hit trains and they already hit several trains on that rail before
oh now it makes sense.I guess the spider web thing will left a 911 tier scar on the puccian mind.

>>63807181
Missiles and an airforce are the reason the US hasn't put much focus on developing new tube artillery systems but missiles and an air force are better anyway

>>63807224
>oh now it makes sense.I guess the spider web thing will left a 911 tier scar on the puccian mind.
Only until the next one.
They've already forgotten about the truck bomb on the bridge and probably even the Kursk incursion.

>>63806459
>we can't rely on Russian doomers 100% any more
This has been the case since early 2023 at the very least, with the likes of Rybar thinking up phantom uke offensives almost weekly.
From what I've seen, the train story is bullshit.

>>63806145

clearly hohol propaganda, it made it back to base under its own power cumrade

>>63806005
People underestimate how big the sky is.
And how many fucking cameras you need to cover any kind of useful area with asny kind of useful resolution.
Also clouds.

>>63807237
I wonder what they will hit next.going for the control boxes that control the railroad switches could be a decent idea.imagine the kind logistical fallout if a huge train hub gets bricked.

>>63805853 (OP)
Helmetard is not gonna like this.

>>63807287
>going for the control boxes that control the railroad switches could be a decent idea.imagine the kind logistical fallout if a huge train hub gets bricked
The partisans have been doing that all the time...or Russian kids hired by SBU for BTS, who knows.
It no doubt has some impact but not that much in the scheme of things, it would need to be a campaign to have a large impact and that would lead to responses that would make the targets much less soft.

>>63807347
yeah probably true but its a low hanging fruit since it easy to burn the boxes.Im really looking forward to their next prank

50 kopeyka army status?

>>63806145
why is she so flat?

>>63807228
yep

>>63807241
unfortunately, yes

>>63807379
I wish they'd at least spam better porn

>>63805853 (OP)
>Chat, is this true
Judging by the catalog, yes.

>>63807379
Wew, they are really going at it.
Is there some particular reason this time, or did the fellow get told to increase the spam or he ends up in the front lines?

>>63807478
>or did the fellow get told to increase the spam or he ends up in the front lines?
he's a Romanian
he does it for free

>>63806832
I think that's only ever really applied to direct 1-1 comparisons like European 4th gen fighters being compared to American 5th gens

But the biggest issue, that is still absolutely the case now, is that having a good domestic tank/plane doesn't really matter when you only have a couple dozen of each and don't have the capability to make more very easily

The stupid Youtube comment section argument would be obsessing over 1v1

>>63805867
no shit, networking is such a force multiplier it improves your combat power by a factor of 10 at least, it's like fighting a blind child in the dark with NVGs, see Operation Mole Cricket

>>63805875
it serves as AWACS, the advantage in real terms is that it distributes the combat power of the formation instead of having that single point of vulnerability that is a large AWACS plane

>>63806295
>Ukraine has lost 3 F-16s. 1 seems by enemy SAM and the other 2 likely fuckups by pilot and/or friendly fire?

The story I read here si that it was a loss after shooting down a cruise missile and the debris hit the jet.

>>63807070
It may have been a game of telephone. A train was struck, but then all the day's destroyed tanks and vehicles got attributed to it. Standard mistakes in reporting.

>>63807549
Nobody actually knows or cares, we're living in the post-truth world
I wouldn't put much stock in that
I've seen too many events morph into something else entirely because SPECULATION about what happened is somehow taken as fact
I've literally been yelled at right here on /k/ by anons who insist that something happened, when I was one of those who participated in the original thread and I was right there when someone said "maybe it happened like this..."

In this new world I don't trust anything anyone says unless I get as close to the primary evidence as possible, or I KNOW this person is trustworthy enough to have done that.

>>63806832
>huge validation for European military tech
The F-16 just racked up yet another kill, meanwhile the Rafale got shot down in its first ever engagement.

>>63806832
Zero people doubted euro tech as a whole just the amount of it. Or lack of experience

>>63807549
One lost control due to technical issues, another got hit by derbies after shooting down drones and cruise missiles.

>>63807418
Porn's a personal thing, they are only going to spam the stuff they like themselves. It's like the GOATSE of the soul.

>>63807379
mind blowing that to this day, chugtrannies will spam shit like that and still bitch on /pol/ about the CIA banning them on /k/ just for being pro Russia

>>63807762
well it was a F-16 that got assembled in Europe, with majority European parts, donated by a European air force, a pilot trained in Europe, using a European missile, getting targeting date from a European AWACS
if you want to claim it some win for the US be my guest
but we both know that the US had been doing nearly all it could to keep this from happening just like how it tried to spot Australia from donating it's Abrams

>>63807287
Fuck the switches, you want to sabotage the signals so trains start crashing into each other

>>63808458
If they had a brain they wouldn't be a /pol/troon in the first place.

>>63808628
well if you really want to shut things down you need to go for the maintenance depots and the manufacturers
no half way measures to, you have to hit them hard enough that they lose their trained staff

>>63808512
>well it was a F-16 that got assembled in Europe, with majority European parts, donated by a European air force,
The BMW X3, X4, X5, X6, X7 are assembled in the US with US parts. Is BMW now an American car? What kind of logic is this?
>A pilot trained in Europe
The very first batch of Ukrainian F-16 pilots were trained in Tucson Arizona.
>using a European missile
AIM-120C's isnt a European missile.
>US had been doing nearly all it could to keep this from happening
Except you know providing all the spare parts, training, logistics, Link 16 integration, and munitions and intelligence.

>>63805961
I'd say they have about two dozen F-16s they received from the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. Belgium hasn't disclosed how many they've delivered yet.

>>63806619
Hangers are cool teebeehaytch. It visually implies a heavyness that perkies cannot. I am learning the older I get that I truly do just like all women. All of them have something to admire.

>>63805951
If a plane is close enough that you can just use optics to pick it up, it's probably detectable on radar too. Stealth just lowers effective detection range, remember.

>>63806145
Looks like it just pancaked. Flankers always seem to get into flat spins when hit.

>>63809514
>If a plane is close enough that you can just use optics to pick it up, it's probably detectable on radar too. Stealth just lowers effective detection range
either Elon is a retard for not knowing this or disingenuous for pretending not to, and I don't know which is worse

>>63805853 (OP)
I can already hear that spamming fuck beating on his keyboard.

>>63808458
naked hypocrisy is their superpower, they think its the one weird trick that lets you outsmart westerners

>>63809703
hes a retard
Specifically, he's the kind of retard who reads 3 twitter posts and a Wikipedia article and decides this makes him an expert on the topic
This is why he is so catastrophically bad at politics, like expecting trumps base to support his desire to replace them, specifically, with Indian slave labour because it would be "better for the economy"
That wasn't a troll or a mistake, Elon is genuinely incapable of understanding why an American blue collar worker would be upset about getting fired from his job and replaced by an Indian on an H1b visa. In his mind, the increased profits potentially gained for the company as a result is all the reason anyone needs to quit their job and hand it over to an Indian, since thats obviously the right thing to do for the economy and the economy is the only thing that matters in his world

>>63805864
They kinda are mid, but they do offer some significant advantages.
The poor-mans-awacs paints the target from like 400km away in such a way that the russian jet doesn't even get warnings about it.
Then F-16 which is much closer to the russian jet will receive target coordinates from the AWACS, and will shoot an AMRAAM 120 on that target without even activating it's own radar.

The end result is that russian jet will get hit with the AMRAAM without even knowing it's being targeted.
As long as your poor-mans-awacs can do that, it is vastly superior to anything Russians can put in air.

>>63808674
> Except you know providing all the spare parts, training, logistics, Link 16 integration, and munitions and intelligence.
All of that besides link 16 was provided by European countries

>>63808696
I haven't ready anything or heard anything trough the grapevine
I'm assuming they are holding out until the air force takes delivery of their first f-35's
our minster of defense is a legit smoothbrained, snowplows for a nose, nafo retard the moment we sent so much as a fucking shoelace he's posting about it on his social media
t-belgian

>>63809784
The argument >>63807762 wasn't about support for Ukraine, but that European 4/4.5 gen airframes are all massively hyped up yet still somehow remain unproven, despite the largest conventional war in Europe since WWII.
Meanwhile the Falcon feasts yet again, and just one month after the ROFLe got rekt the first time it was put the test.
Pure kino.

So how does the Swedish one stack against the E-7 Wedgetail or the older E-3 Sentry? Would Ukraine be better off with more Swedish AWACS rather than 1-2 Wedgetails or Sentries?

Also why does new AWACS planes have this dildo on their back now instead of the spinny radar disc?

>>63809897
Because most modern radars are electronically scanned arrays, where the radar beam doesn't need to be steered mechanically.

>>63805853 (OP)
>opens the link
>made the mistake to think that there is evidence
>sees
>According to Bild
>BILD
>FUCKING BILD
>A LITERAL YELLOW TABLOID that not even germans takes seriously
>anyways maybe they have something
>goes on bild
>translates the article
>says according to anonymous ukranian officials

yeah
it was a sam alright

>>63809951
then what is this>>63806145

>>63809971
who said that they didnt shot down you protozoa?

they obviously did it with sam
ukraine doesnt waste their f16s on the frontlines

>>63809988
> ukraine doesnt waste their f16s on the frontlines
So you’re basically retard that has no idea what is happening

>>63806145
I need the MASH theme on this.

>>63809996
>ok you are a retard

ok lets pretend that you are the god of tactical theater

tell me something
they currently have 19 out of 20 they got
lets say 3 of those are for spare parts

we know for a fact that the majority of the time ukraine uses them to hunt drones and cruise missiles
because we have a shitload of such videos around
so no no matter how you try to spin it ukraine doesnt do CAP with their f16s

>>63809951
of course it was. it was the same type of "sambush" they already did twice. what's funny is that even in 2023 fuckers were saying it must've been f-16. literal brainless retards can be fed any pro-ua headline and they'll believe it.
captcha: SNOOP

>>63809893
it's retarded to make an argument about the quality of the aircraft when it's an availability issue
no one is retiring their fleet of European 4/4.5 fighters so they can give them to the Ukrainians
the work in this shoot down wasn't a solo kill by an f-16 if it even was an f-16 that did it
it was a team effort

>>63810006
generally I agree with your post, except
>ukraine doesnt do CAP with their f16s
that's not how I would say it

they do fly CAP; it's anti-drone CAP however, and it's over their cities

>>63805853 (OP)
Can AWACS guide modern AA missiles?

>>63808458
I had a guy on /pol/ telling me that blacked/tranny/cuck porn spam was chemo, in the sense of the word as it was used on old /b/ and directly compared to old /b/ spam ~desu, the other day. Just amazing how someone can be here long enough to remember stuff like that and then insist that the site's dwindling pre-/pol/ userbase is cancer and the r*dditfugees taking over and spamming their safe edgy fetish are chemo. My brain almost locked up trying to grok it.

>>63805949
>powered by Intel 14nm+++

>>63810483
>trying to grok it
most users today will think you're talking about AI

>>63810529
@grok he's talking about some inane boomer book, isn't he?

>>63810529
THE LAST WE ARE THE LAST WE ARE

>>63809735
>naked hypocrisy is their superpower, they think its the one weird trick that lets you outsmart westerners
You can take that one level higher and say that it's the one weird trick that a certain kind of fanatic thinks outsmarts (or "owns" in contemporary vernacular) the educated, more mature adult that you're "debating".

>>63809742
>since thats obviously the right thing to do for the economy and the economy is the only thing that matters in his world
>the economy is the only thing that matters in his world
>in his world
Only HIS economy matters in his world, he doesn't give a shit about everyone else.
His company needs rebates and exemptions and shit, everyone else should pay their way.
No EV rebates for Ford, GMH or whoever, they don't deserve it.

>>63810418
Indirectly through data linking. The shooter and sensor need not be on the same platform.

>>63810418
as the other anon says, radar and guidance in NATO's playbook largely link up using datalink so they can work together, you can use a small radar out of somebody's pickup truck (i think SAAB made one) to track drones and shit too and have AA far off target it based on that.

>>63810746
>small radar out of somebody's pickup truck (i think SAAB made one)
the Giraffe 1X, but its brochure range is only 4km
they have bigger radars too

the Thales Groundmaster radars are also quite popular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uiqXHAW1Rw

>>63809951
>ukraine officials now are not trustworthy because ziggie the zog needs to cope

sit on a bayonet

>>63810483
all the original /pol/ shit was from reddit lol. Reddit purged their politically incorrect subreddits in 2010 and 2011 because of a Anderson Cooper report about them and they ran here.

>>63805853 (OP)
ghost of kiev yet lives

>>63811919
>ghost of kiev yet lives
The ass was in the ass, the eggs were being measured and the brows in the process of being raised - the boys fucked until they melted but the question remained, what is his name?
It is Caмyиiл Хaидeнкo and he tips the wings busily from side to side before smacking the pidor right between the buns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbt8z-kOY4

>>63810522
KEK

>>63805932
And really heat up.

>>63809514
>it's probably detectable on radar too
It is. There is a burn-through distance for both ECM and radar. Stealth can also be picked up on high frequencies, but it's too broad of a target and can't be used by the engagement radar, only the target acquisition one.

I am sure in the near future someone will come up with a solution, like having a tandem of two missiles - target is spotted on acquisition radar, a missile with an onboard radar is launched, and ten seconds or so later the actual engagement missile. The first one gets close enough to use its radar to pinpoint the coordinates and give the altitude, speed and position to the trailing missile, which corrects for approach. Or something like that, dunno, just thinking out loud.

>>63805875
Something no one else has clarified is that it's AWACS in
>numbers
The F-35 is the epitome of a datalink hivemind and can be used to coordinate some insane shit in an airwar, both by piggybacking 4th gen's missiles, but also doing so inbetween F-35s which means that if there's an F-35 closer to the target than the one who initiated the launch, the closer F-35 will get the link to guide it in even more accurately.

>>63805951
why doesn't this faggot defect to CHYNA already? would at least get one tyrant cock out of agent oranges mouth

>>63810418
If all the players can share a data link, yes.
For instance a Ukrainian F-16 can get targeting information from both AWACS (Saab 340), and air defense radars (Patriot, NASAMS, ect) to guide a AIM-120 because they all talk via Link 16.

>>63812465
>agent orange
Seethe more, noguns

>>63812282
charitably, I shall attribute this post to you being either drunk or high

>>63805904
Is the F-35, dare I say it, good...?

>>63805951
If it's this easy why doesn't Muskrat just fucking do it? He has the money to fund such a project, and if he could sell a "defeat stealth lmao" sensor suite that actually works every single government that can afford it will buy that shit like it's half off crack in Detroit for whatever price he chooses to sell it for.
Oh right, just the same as his "drone swarms make F35s obsolete" shitpost, it's not fucking true! It's almost like being a drugged out rich fuck completely surrounded by yes men who suck your dick about being a super genius 24/7 doesn't actually make you any smarter than your average ket-burnout homeless man sucking cocks in an alley for his next hit!

>>63812696
Why yes

>>63812980
>1000 of them
More like 2500+ of them.

>>63806040
>>63806049
Multispectral imagers got this covered can process and accreditate candidate dots atmospheric properties related

>>63805853 (OP)
Nice to see Ukraine still fighting the good fight even after trump betrayed them to putin.

>>63812803
Because he has to poach people smart enough to know how to do it, and anyone with a brain knows not to work for him now.

>>63811544
when i see an article that uses
>anonymous
for ANYTHING
a priori already its a huge red flag so red it makes the soviet flag to blush

but its ok
those anonymous ukranian officials as per bild retracted their comments
so it gives them the perfect scape goat
because we all know out of all the places someone will go to talk about military matters they will go to a known yellow tabloid especially one with the history of bild on lying about almost everything they post

right
right

>>63805875
The F-35 has systems that can mimic an AWACS using pretty much any other plane in the air. If you're in range of any plane the F-35 is compatible with, you can be shot out of nowhere with no warning by a missile you had no chance to avoid. It's also much harder to do the reverse to the F-35 than most other planes.

>>63814411
so let me get this right

you think f35 can mimick an awacs because it has some special systems?

please tell me this isnt what you are suggesting here

>>63814443 #
NTA but yes that's what most retards ITT think, because they took one metaphorical misquote someone once said and asserted it unequivocally*
[*edited typo]

The F35 can provide targeting data to other fighters. A lot of time, effort and money has been spent precisely on this one function. And yes prior to the F35, this was one of the functions of an AWACS plane. However, an AWACS does a lot more than just that. So it's a bit like saying "having a magazine enables rifles to be fired much more rapidly as compared to single-shot rifles, so the Lee-Metford is like an M16-M203"

>>63814487
you do realise that literally anything that has a radar and link 16 cms can provide targeting solutions right?

literally everything

>>63808701
Based woman enjoyer.
>>63809897
Modern radar is a plate. Larger plates in one direction allows for stronger emittance than 360 degrees of smaller plates, they steer the waves to an almost full 360 using interference.
Yes, technically you can do a 360 variant with theoretically as much coverage and stronger frontal and rear radars, but why bother, the front radome under the nose does that already (It's already 4x the radar of a fighter plane (2x the width)) and the rear is less useful anyway, plus the interference calculations are far more reliable and easier to calculate detections consistently with a flat radar than a circular or spinning one.

>>63814492
the F-35's MADL does much more than Link 16 however

>>63805853 (OP)
it's plausible, likely even
>>63805864
better than the next-to-nothing they had before

I don't know /k/, I think it's a neat plane

>>63814551
its LITERALLY link 16
it doesnt do anything more

>>63814664
I don't like that it has a beam instead of a dish.
AWACS's should have big dishes on their backs.

>>63807399
all russian girls wear push-ups anon, it's just like their military, you take away the covering and wonder where it all went

>>63806145
>>63806186

>>63814795
No, it's not
It doesn't give away the F35's position and it interfaces more seamlessly with more platforms and weapons
It allows actual control and guidance of weapons fired by other units instead of just transmitting targeting coordinates

>>63814822
Thanks, I'll get some milage out of that.

The bear rouses from its slumber.. the holhol swine will know what it means to feel the wrath fo the bear.

>>63814830
ok perhaps you dont know what madl is

the TARGETING part of it is done via link 16 because like 16 works on L band

madl isnt there to feed data to anything other than planes that are nearby it like other f35s
and when i say nearby i means like 300-400 meters (and that number is optimal assume good weather) cause it works at ka band above 30 ghz

you are confusing a lot of stuff here
madl isnt a tdl its a suite of comms that only works for f35s and whatever usa will slap it on later
think of it like the andromeda D of the russians but only on the scale of planes

>>63815312
>the TARGETING part of it is done via link 16 because like 16 works on L band
Targeting uses the F35's radars
>madl isnt there to feed data to anything other than planes that are nearby it
No and no
MADL feeds data to anything that will accept it. The problem now is modifying other link16 platforms to accept MADL data
>and when i say nearby i means like 300-400 meters
No fighter squadron is going to fly that close in combat

>>63805864
That was me, and they are. At least when compared to the cooler, better, classier Swedish private jet AWACS. They probably have champagne on board.

>>63812282
>I am sure in the near future someone will come up with a solution, like having a tandem of two missiles - target is spotted on acquisition radar, a missile with an onboard radar is launched, and ten seconds or so later the actual engagement missile. The first one gets close enough to use its radar to pinpoint the coordinates and give the altitude, speed and position to the trailing missile, which corrects for approach. Or something like that, dunno, just thinking out loud.

Yes, it's possible that maybe perhaps someone will eventually invent something like that.

>>63805949

>Reduced radar signature

Lmao compared to what? A flying cruise ship?

>>63815654
>Targeting uses the F35's radars
literally irrelevant like what? the rest target with hopes and dreams?
>MADL feeds data to anything that will accept it.
no you moron it doesnt operate on the same band to begin with
did you even take a simple electromagnetic class in your life?
>No fighter squadron is going to fly that close in combat
god someone put an adult with him

>>63816883
Champagne? We only drink Mariestad and blast Dissection here

>>63810522
lmao they wish
I bet there are still point to point hand wired components in that piece of shit

>>63805958
self driving is rolling out right now. how embarrassing for you, knob twidder.
>>63812803
obviously he is doing this and working with others on this. are you a troon or chinese it's weird how you are all on the same side all of a sudden.

>>63817019
I like Ace Combat too! which one's your favorite jet?

>>63812647
you hypersensitive cultist fags are so easy to bait.

>>63805853 (OP)
Russian pilots before the war averaged EIGHT FLIGHT HOURS PER YEAR. They're conservative with their planes for a variety of reasons, but the number of actually hardened combat pilots with their reps from Syria are a very finite resource. And the air-2-air Ukes used is particularly fast, while the Russian was at a fatal elevation.

>>63805909
Russia keeps wanting to remind the West that it has nukes by using conventional IRBMs/ICBMs against Ukraine, these seem like the ideal target. If you can locate one on the ground for maintenance in Western Ukraine would be well worth a $20 million dollar missile given the cost of the plane and how scarce they are.

Why instead do the Russians only target apartment buildings?

>>63818789
I read that as
>the number of actually hardened combat pilots with their rapes from Syria are a very finite resource

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6mXqOk63Ss

>>63805853 (OP)
yes confirmed and scored by ukraine on
10.06.2025
Planes — 416 (+2)

Russian pilot song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHt2yhGWPSE
eternal shite

>>63820405
>confirmed
>by ukraine
I'm not trusting anything that isn't confirmed by at least one other independent source

>>63805909
Does it use that air duct to cool the radar just from flying? Neat.

>>63820557
Rusniggers literally released footage from the SAR flight

>>63820750
NTA, We know the plane was shot down. Even before the video was posted the Russians admitted it. What I want to see is proof it was an F-16 that did it. All I've seen so far is just reporters saying that's what happened, but nothing It was conclusive. It was shot down over Russian territory so if an F-16 cross the border and bagged a flanker, that's big.

>>63820788
AIM-120C has a 90km range, I don't think it necessarily crossed the border.

>>63820750
so which is the second aircraft shot down?

and I don't for a second believe the Russians have lost four hundred aircraft

>>63805909
>didn't realize they already had those actually up and manned.
numerous times during this war the following has happened:

>[western country] releases statement they have authorized the transfer of [weapon system] to Ukraine
5 femtoseconds later
>[weapon system] putting in good work turning ziggers into sunflowers and Russian hardware into scrap metal

Biggest examples I'm thinking of is Himars, Stormshadow, and ATACMs but I'm sure there have been other, smaller cases

Although we did have heads up on the Bork awacs.

>>63821023
iirc Stormshadow began hitting targets within a matter of hours of the transfer being announced, so it's obvious that they had already transferred the weapons, trained the crews, and planned the mission, the perfidious fucking albions lmao

however the AWACS was announced long ago. as a matter of fact just last week anons here were wondering when would we see them in action

>>63816883
What do they do in the non computer part?

>>63821092
Chill out, max, relax all cool

>>63821023
The German chancellor has also said he won't reveal further transfers so Russia won't be able to prepare for Taurus in advance.

>>63821092
Devise plans on conquering finland

>>63821109
>The German chancellor has also said he won't reveal further transfers so
we won't get to see them not deliver on their promises
it's nearly four years into the war and European rearmament is still nowhere to be seen, other than in Rheinmetall shareholders' capital gains

>>63821130
lol wut, rheinmetall outproduced the entire us last yeat

>>63821134
>rheinmetall outproduced the entire us last yeat
yeah, in one specific type of product

that's like me saying I personally outproduced Rheinmetall in sex tapes, yay me

>>63818832
frankly im starting to suspect that their spy satellites are too degraded or too few still in operation for them to have updated targeting data on any of these, meaning that so long as the ukes are moving them, any time they find one, it's probably too late to hit it... whereas a building doesn't move, and making up something about it being a military target is easy so that you can pretend to your bosses you're doing a good job. after all, destroying AWACS? why, that's the air force's job, because it's a plane.

>>63821130
>it's nearly four years into the war and European rearmament is still nowhere to be seen,
How to say you're being wilfully blind, without saying it.

>>63821222
Tell me how many new NATO brigades have been stood up, go on
Tell me how many new tanks, IFVs, fighters and artillery have been ordered to equip them, go on
NEW units and orders, mind, not ones that were already in the pipeline before 2022

>>63821241
>Tell me how many new tanks, IFVs, fighters and artillery have been ordered to equip them, go on
>NEW units and orders, mind, not ones that were already in the pipeline before 2022

Lots. I'm not some sort of /pol/estinian with a notepad of news links saved on his desktop to readily spam on 4chins, but Rheinmetal is flooded with Leopard orders since its either them or Koreans right now.

>>63821152
>yeah, in one specific type of product
1. Still a big deal.
2. They are rapidly expanding in all markets.

>>63821612
>Rheinmetal is flooded with Leopard orders
Idiot

Anyway the answer is fewer than 200 tanks in total from European countries - excepting the Poles whose plans are fluid - and they will mostly equip existing units turning mechanised battalions into armoured ones.
Not much of an expansion actually.

>>63821730
>1. Still a big deal.
A very very very small deal compared to the original boast.

>>63805860
Har du tillstånd från Beredskapsmuseet att breva den bilden anon?

>>63805951
>binoculars invented, stealth fighters obsolete
Pack it up guise, the fun's over.