Thread 63807965

Why does the an-196 liutiy long-range kamikaze drone cost twice as much as a geran-2 despite having slightly worse specs on paper?

Probably because it isn't constructed by africans catfished into working as slave labourers in russia.

>>63807965 (OP)
because it can actually hit its target

>>63807965 (OP)
>undervalue your specifications so your enemies will underestimate you
It's a pretty solid strategy.

>>63807965 (OP)
>still citing the 2022's estimated price
The pidorfarm is indian tier...

>>63808077
Wikipedia claims that the an-196 is $200k and the shahed-136 costs $10k-50k to produce. Do you have more accurate figures?

>>63809092
>wikipedia claims

>>63807965 (OP)
Depends on the specs that you're quoting for each respective UAV. Also payload isn't mentioned.

Also this may be a shock to you, but Russians tend to lie about a lot of things. So that needs to be taken into account.

Then again, the delta wing design is quite fuel efficient. But if it were unilaterally superior I imagine that the Ukrainians would start copying it. It's likely harder and more complex to assemble and requires more tertiary manufacturing to build as opposed to Ukraine's decentralized manufacturing, and the cost is an underestimate.

>>63807965 (OP)
>Geran-2

Wow, a new and wholly original Russian design? Color me impressed!

>>63809215
No one said that?

>>63809187
dude just don't reply if you're not gonna refute anyways

>>63809209
Warhead weight is 50-75kg for the an-196 and 50-90kg for the geran 2. So says wikipedia
As for range, you can at least use the longest range that the drones have traveled to strike a target if you distrust the official figures. Gerans have traveled across pretty much all of ukraine so that’s probably at least 1000km or so.
>>63809215
It’s an important distinction because the geran-2 is upgraded over the shahed-136 and also costs more to produce as a result. unit price is estimated at $80k for gerans

>>63807984
Good point. Maybe the SBU should scam some niggers into slavery lol. What should the operation be called?
>>63808004
How much of the cost of an An-196 or geran-2 goes into electronics and software? I know that modern gerans have a bunch of fancy shit on them and maybe the same is the case for the An-196?
>>63808005
Ukrainians aren’t known for understating their successes though

>Trad and based white Russia imports all labour from Africa and India
>R&D was done by Iran
>Russia forces MIC companies to keep price low
>Russia is lying about price(muh 10k per shahed)
An-196 has also ability not to crash into civilian houses half the time

>>63809533
> Maybe the SBU should scam some niggers into slavery lol
Antonov can pay workers well and then use them to produce other Antonov aircraft’s instead of having Indian-tier workforce

>>63808005
I feel like the inability for your own forces to properly estimate, assess, and value their own forces is a greater loss than whatever it does to the enemy.

Put another way,I do not like the bet that I will gain more from confusing the enemy than I will lose from confusing my own users.

>>63807965 (OP)
since gps is blocked, they probably had to invest in a good inertial navigation system and that is probably expensive.

>>63809092
>shasneed-136 costs $10k-50k to produce
You mean 200k?

>>63809611
> I feel like the inability for your own forces to properly estimate, assess, and value their own forces
What makes you think so? You know that people using it don’t have to share perfect information with us? Like for example blatantly lying about Shahed prices

>>63807965 (OP)
see >>63809614

>>63809521
12/16-element CRPA antenna unit alone costs in a ballpark of $35k. Each geran has one. You just lack any clue.

>>63810099
How does this prove that the geran is inferior? I can also post videos of patriot malfunctions or geopards failing to shoot down gerans

>>63810282
In 2025 they're mostly using the 16 (actually 10+6 because it's a dual L1+L2 CRPA antenna).
Idk the cost but they're using high spec FPGA and ADC, using high end chinese components doesn't make it cheaper because AFAIK those tends to be more expensive than western equivalents (China has a serious shortage of sub 65nm nodes).

>>63810099
How is this relevant at all

>>63810036
Russia makes gerans themselves now so they no longer pay a markup to iran.
>>63810282
That’s about the difference in alleged manufacturing cost between a shahed-136 and a geran-2 ($80k -$50k = $30k) so it does make sense

>>63807965 (OP)
>why, if we look at the country known for overestimating their capabilities on paper, have better capabilites on paper?

>>63813242
>the ukranny would NEVER overestimate their successes

>>63813205
>Russia makes gerans themselves now so they no longer pay a markup to iran.
Doesn't matter if they're assembled in vodkaland they still need to import all the parts from Iran and China. I'd be surprised if it's less than $100k per Sneed.

>>63813299
>data that some Russian just wrote on a piece of paper

Wow!!!!! Russia so strong!!!

>data backed-up with photographic evidence

Of course ukiepiggy believes anything they say

Isn't this basically a slow cruise missile? Why does it appear to have retractable landing gear? Couldn't they launch of of a dropped gear like the komet?

Is Antonov involved in the serial production? it's interesting that a drone developed by Ukrainian hobbyist and on their own initiative (and expense) received an AN- designation.

>>63813348
Probably but it doesn't change that much and the range wouldn't change that much and it wouldn't be worth if it adds more than 0.5 - 1kg, my estimation of how much fuel burns the added drag.

>>63813318
Why would this not matter? Even if the geran-2 was identitcal to the shahed (it’s not), building in russia would at least get rid of the markup on assembly + the additional iranian markup on chinese parts.

>>63813526
Instead of retractable landing gear you could have something that just falls off when the drone takes off. Or just use a rocket booster like the shahed / geran

>>63807965 (OP)
>Why does the an-196 liutiy long-range kamikaze drone cost twice as much as a geran-2 despite having slightly worse specs on paper?

We've been over this.
>https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63155253/
tl;dr economies of scale
Ukrainian OWA drones are a distributed cottage industry with the UKR MoD serving as a patron. Russia is far more centralized and leverages peasant labor, expanding to Nork slave labor.

>>63814911
even though it's reported russia is making a fuck load of gerans, i wouldn't be surprised if china or norks are supplying them too; both of them are making them from russian schematics.

>>63814911
>>63814974
Bullshit, they are also importing them from Iran in huge numbers.