>Pantsir vs Liutyi

what went wrong?

>>63809614 (OP)
the price of failure

>>63809631
And what about the hazel tree?)))))))

>>63809614 (OP)
I'm guess the proximity got set off by some other AAA, cannon, bullet etc. Its seems like two points of explosion but everything is moving the same way and towards the drone - not two missiles hitting each other.

Pantshitter is such a useless piece of shit

not enough frag hit it
this is why hit to kill is better for small warheads

>>63809614 (OP)
>what went wrong?
the warhead does nothing
a target burns like summer wind
air defense watches from afar

>>63809692
Also, HE-F is hopium-tier in an AA role.

>>63809645
reminder: NATO has no equivalent of the pantsir

>>63809614 (OP)
Interceptor missiles have a really short shelf life, since we are 3 years into SMO, the pantsir missiles are probably from an older stockpile.
AA interceptors aren't the thing that are mostly in demand in the russian armed forces.

>>63809720
that's right, equivalent in the shittiness scale lmfao

>>63809723
enjoy paying $1,000,000,000 per patriot battery and $4,000,000 and still can't stop a shaheed

>>63809622
Not a single death in Kyiv actually. Kinda surprising considering these nigers were buzzing overhead for hours

>>63809733

>>63809733
Patriots are used to shoot down krinzhals (hypergigasanic russian tech, the wect has no equivalent) which they do exceedingly well.
Shaheds are exterminated using different methods.
You'd know that if it wasn't your first day on the shill farm, Sanjay. No crore rupee this time!

>>63809614 (OP)
>what went wrong?
I have believe Ukrainian UAVs use jammers to trigger premature action of Russian SAMs missiles

>>63809736
Every time Russia sends in another wave the ukies get more practice stopping it

>>63809641
>Its seems like two points of explosion
Pantsir missile warhead is a long stick, it's detonation may look weird.

>>63809631
And missed the target

>>63809740
>Patriots are used to shoot down krinzhals (hypergigasanic russian tech, the wect has no equivalent) which they do exceedingly well.
patriots missed two iskander/kn23 tonight. ukraine said they shot both of them down; ukraine tends to lie a lot.

https://files.catbox.moe/0hs6h8.mp4

>>63809776
another video of both of them hitting
https://litter.catbox.moe/3ybrxl4jv8303hp4.mp4

>>63809780
how do we know it's iskander?

>>63809782
the speed is about right for iskander when you compare them to the patriots; both are going supersonic (iskander and kinzhal both slow down to supersonic speeds during terminal). russia isn't really shooting any other ballistic missiles than those two.

ukraine saying they were iskander/kn23 fits. they just lied about shooting them down.

>>63809776
>>63809780
Why does the second video not feature interceptors that were present in the first, zister?

>>63809782
A better question is how do we know those are from this night and not from another time when they couldn't intercept and admitted it.

>>63809790
well, they could have launched even more than also weren't intercepted, but occam's will say these were the two and the interceptors were off to the side.

ukraine may have thought they shot them down, as you see the interceptors track and engage two targets and detonate: they very well could have been the decoys.

>>63809796
both videos are from 10/06

>>63809798
>>63809796
Answer this, then. Neither video has a time and date in a corner.
>>63809799
And you know this how?

>>63809776
>>63809780
5 Iskander missiles were shot down last night, I guess you didn't bother to look it up. Four (!) krinzhals were shot down the night before, which I guess you're finding it only now
It's hilarious btw how shocked you brownoids were when Ukrainians shot down their first krinzhals and how you coped and seethed that none of it is true because it was "impossible" to shoot down "hypersonic" missiles. Since then so many of them have been shot down that nobody even bats an eye anymore when it happens and you AIDSmonkeys desperately seek out new copes (muh hazel tree, there will be many roast piggies, oh wait, that didn't work, muh Yars, that will roast piggies, oh wait, that doesn't work either).
But yeah, some civilians were killed last night. Truly, the power of the multipolar world is immesurable.

>>63809786
you not providing any proof just tells us you're an average russian shill. provide proof or fuck off.

>>63809780
>>63809776
Aren't these two videos from 2023 or 2024? back then the ziggers also claimed it was a based and trad kinzhal destroying a Patriot battery

>>63809720
Of course, NATO hardware doesn't suck so there's no equivalent

Pantshit is an embezzlement scheme that accidentally went into production.

>>63809614 (OP)
Unbothered
Humidified
Happy
In my lane
Focused
Flourishing

>>63809802
they were both uploaded on 10/06 by ukrainians. which was under attack at the time.

>>63809805
anon, you probably should take the claims of ukraine with a large grain of salt. even ukrainians themselves do that, because they witness it first hand. the claim was 4 kinzhal yesterday and 2 iskander today, all downed. that's obviously not true.

patriot can defeat kinzhal and iskander, it's just not a given. if they're not near the target, the chance of intercept is very small. if they're downrange with a more head on shot, they're capable of it (they still may miss).

>>63809814
>they were both uploaded on 10/06 by ukrainians. which was under attack at the time
Evidence?

>>63809808
Yes, yes they are. They've been reposting these old and debunked "KINZHAL KILLS PATRIOT" videos for the past week all over the internet.

>>63809614 (OP)
Does it use a continuous-rod warhead? I could see a rod that is designed to work against a huge fighter just missing a small drone completely as as it's designed for minimal fag odds are you won't hit it with anything else.

>>63809814
>they were both uploaded on 10/06 by ukrainians. which was under attack at the time
Umm, sweaty, that's not how it works.

>>63809818
Combined warhead.
Continuous rod, and on top these rods lays layer of small fragments (honestly don't know why they were ven bothered with continuos rod, it sucks).

>>63809830
Rods are great against planes and allow small warheads to bring down transports and bombers but the downside it the target has to be big enough to get hit by it.

>>63809831
>Rods are great against planes and allow small warheads to bring down transports and bombers
Not really. It was post WWII fad.
These warheads were tested against B-17 and such (there were thousands of free hulls lying around) that had load bearing skin, cuts across skin destroyed structural integrity of the wing and rods were very effecient against them.
But then aircraft changed construction to box spar wing (like in B-52) and plates of such spar are to thick to cut effeciently. So after initial adoption by inertia continuous rod warheads fell out of fashion.

>>63809816
telegram. you'll see them hit x (formerly reddit) soon enough.

zelensky said they were kn-23s, but they're simply not-iskander.

>>63809847
Thanks for the info anon.

>>63809746
The percentage of zigerian drones that make it past the defenses has been increasing as of late actually after they've been only at like 5% for years.

>>63809851
If it's on telegram it should not be hard to post links you lazy faggot, your job is easy, get to it.

>>63809814
>both uploaded on 10/06 by ukrainians
that's russian watermark you lying clown

and to no one's surprise it turns out it was a russian shills who were lying and not ukrainians.
ah, classic.

>>63809614 (OP)
How come Russian AA is such a failure. I mean generally not just in this case.
They were supposed to have very capable AA to counter NATO air focused doctrine but it all sucks hard. S300 being the most usefull of the bunch. Tunguska, Shilka, Pantsir, S400... It all barely works.

>>63809809
>NATO hardware doesn't suck

*blocks your path*

>>63809859
for a weapon with an alleged 95% success rate they sure don't seem to be doing a whole lot

>>63809733
They've been having a lot of luck with flakpanzers and even just dushkas on trucks. Iran must be bending them over a table for the amount they're spamming only to slightly damage a maternity ward. (whilst their own bombers and oil facilities go up in flames)

>>63809874
they look so cool
how can they be so shit? :(

>>63809874
Independence class was discontinued right away and ships were moved to not combat roles before scraping soon after.
No one acted like it was good ship

>>63809881
Didn't say that. Read my post again and turn your brain on before retard.

>>63809616
>those slums

>>63809614 (OP)
I'm sorry, I just have to...

>>63809900
those are actually rows of private garages, leftover from soviet times

>>63809900
As other anon said. Everyone living in commieblock had their own assigned garage nearby which usually were in collectives of rows like that.

>>63809900
Soviet legacy
https://eng.lsm.lv/article/features/features/03.02.2024-the-secret-world-of-latvias-garage-cooperatives.a541387/

>>63809780
Old video

>>63809928
>had their own assigned garage nearby
They were wasn't "assigned". It was garage coops. People joined coop, it received land plot rent from towns authorities and they build garages on that plot for co-op members for their money.
Soviets lived in commieblocks, those didn't have garages so it's either parking on the street or that garage co-op.
Soviets didn't like to park car on the streets:
1. Theft.
2. Bad anti rust protection of Soviet cars + wet snowy wintes = car rust and Soviets expected their car to serve decades (muh precious treasure).

That garage co-ops had entire layer of their own culture (where is father of the house on weekends? Well he is in garage "working with car" aka drinking wih buddies ).

Today garage coops fell out of favor. Cars are more resistant to rust, they expected to serve less time, land is expensive, richfags can have mansions with their own garages. City folks just park cars near commieblocks on streets and drive ways now.

>>63809737
Pičo Švejk

>>63809720
Good, you shouldn't have an equivalent of something so useless and ineffective.

>>63809614 (OP)
I'm reminded of that recent video where the missile just nosedives into the ground.

>>63809720
I'll take a Gepard and a guy with a stinger over the pantsir any day. I'd take a humvee avenger over a pantsir. I have seen no other weapon system fail as consistently as the pantsir has over the past 3 years

>>63809614 (OP)
>>63809641
Maybe they installed the explosives package in backwards and sent the shrapnel into the body of the missile.

>>63809720
reminder that if Pantsir shoots it's guns there's a chance vibration will damage it's missiles

>>63809614 (OP)
Those drones are mostly 'air' and the critical parts aren't really big.
The liutyi is a simple design that keeps flying even after receiving shrapnel, unlike the shadman that can't fly after a few holes

>>63809900
Those are just garages.

>>63811171
On video its clear miss. Premature detonation of warhead.
Fragmentation spray angles look like something this.

>>63809614 (OP)
Is there a source, just to make sure the explosion is not CGI?

>>63811204
>Premature detonation of warhead.

>>63811232
it happens to the best of us :(

>>63809614 (OP)
Airdefence Cuckold caught with his pantsir down AGAIN?!

>>63809713
>HE-F is hopium/tier in an AA role.

Well, at least when you’re dogshit radio command guidance with no secondary terminal method

>>63809614 (OP)
>Bogey's air speed not sufficient for intercept. Suggest we get out and walk.

>>63809720
Isn't Crotale a Pants-Sir equivalent?

>>63809776
>patriots missed two iskander/kn23 tonight
I can say that you are lying, because I was in the city that night and personally seen the interceptions of ballistic shit. If I was dumb enough to take your bait, I'd even post the videos lmao.

>>63809974
>garage coops fell out of favor
storing vehicles indoors is lost archeotech

>>63809851
so link the channel retard

>>63809616
OH NOE NO MORE MICROELECTROIKS

>>63809616
>cuck-box-saary

>>63809614 (OP)
Premature fragmentation happens to a lot of guys

>>63809947
Cool link, thanks for that

>>63809616
>the price of failure
At least the Pantsir didn't smack into its own buildings.

>>63814696
gunpowder factory is worth MUCH more to Russians than 10 ziggers and an apartment

>>63814696
>this time

>>63809614 (OP)
Pantshit shit its pants.
Many such cases.

>>63809974
>They were wasn't "assigned". It was garage coops. People joined coop, it received land plot rent from towns authorities and they build garages on that plot for co-op members for their money.

It usually depended on how rich your region was.
The nicer parts of the country had "key built" commie block apartments that were ready to be moved into right away and often came with their own assigned garage.
The most dilapidated parts however had the apartments in various kinds of "semi-finished" state for years, sometimes even decades after the people moved into them, and you were lucky if you received a lot where you could build your garage.

>>63809614 (OP)
Was there ever a more lolcow medium range SAM than the Pantsir?
And I don't even mean overhyped which is par for the course for Russia, it's actually just abjectly terrible at its job.

>>63809720
And thank fuck for that.

>>63809614 (OP)
>missile and fuse designed for large aircraft and missiles gets triggered too far away from a small drone
not surprised

>>63814844
>I don't even mean overhyped
But IMHO this is the main issue. Most other crap AA systems were called out, know to be the crap they are and looked to be replaced. Russians would never admit that. They'll double down on arguing how advanced their WW2 turrets on cold war truck is and build a thousand more just to pretend how good it is.

Can you name one modern Russian weapon they've described as unsuccessful design, failed project etc? Just like Nazi Germany, Fascist Muscovia has only perfection. Any fault is evil HATO lie, there's not for improvement or competition. Every milprom komrade deserves their villa. We only learn about their advantages or shortcomings trough historical articles where third parties got to examine obsolete soviet armour.

>>63809720
because after 1 year of drone bullshit the US developed something infinitely more useful than that piece of shit. Pic related.

Also there's NASAMS for fixed positions that can shoot stingers which are pretty cheap. Not ideal but cheaper than a patriot

>>63815919
whoops meant AIM-9s. But there are also emplacements that shoot stingers

>>63815851
>Can you name one modern Russian weapon they've described as unsuccessful design, failed project etc?
T-14

>>63816047
>T-14
>THEY described as unsuccessful
This time i'd really like to see source for this claim

>>63814844
Tor is ok. Still shitty Russian electronics, but noticeably superior.

>>63809720
Nothing is as inaccurate as a pantsir. It's not prox fuzed either lol. Not even timed programmable fuzes.

M-LIDS is the main American anti-drone AA (RWS + jammers + directionfinding + coyote missiles) and Gepard is/was the oldschool cold war SPAAG in Europe.

>>63809914
missing the sunglasses.

>>63809733
sahsneeds are SPAAG territory zegroid. Only ziggers think using millions of USD worth of missiles on low value targets (like apartment buildings) is a good trade

>>63815851
>unsuccessful design, failed project etc?
BMP-1. it was so shit, in particular trying to hit anything with its meme turret, that even they quietly phased it out as fast as possible

>>63809928
>As other anon said. Everyone living in commieblock had their own assigned garage
Not true. Grew up in a commieblock. Never had an assigned garage.

Our commieblock had ONE garage outside of it that I had never seen opene in a decade. No idea who it "belonged" to, if anyone.

Meanwhile, there were entire areas zoned and built for nothing but garages like that. Friend of my Kum's brother's neighbor's cousin rented one out and and used it as his workspace for his spice and dried onions product packaging and distribution business. It always smelled very pungent in a nice, AVALANCHE OF BLACK PEPPER IN YOUR FACE kind of way but I was a kid and anything stronger than vinegar made me cry.

>>63809720
>>63811151

>>63809720
>>63816220
Not really the same thing, the stinger has about half the range, although it is much more likely to hit its target.

NATO and their allies do have SAMs with similar range as the Pantsir, although they're usually multi-vehicle complexes.

>>63811151
>...a guy with a stinger over the pantsir any day. I'd take a humvee avenger over a pantsir.
You're just repeating yourself since an Avenger is just a stinger with an extra coolant reservoir.

>>63809720
You can see why
>>63809614 (OP)

>>63816047
Nah, they cope that it's too good and not needed for this war

>>63816138
>sahsneeds are SPAAG territory zegroid
Half of them are shot down with basic bitch machine guns

Well, put 75 years of sanctions on the West and you'd get the same thing for 10,000x the price.
>40 TRILLION debt
>the kids you aren't having will NEVER own their own home(which wasn't a hand-me-down)
>local news station giving tutorials on what to use instead of eggs for breakfast
>yearly summer massive protests becoming the norm

KEK

>>63819976
>sanctioning the West
It's easier to believe india becoming superpower than this.

>>63819976
>Well, put 75 years of sanctions on the West
Sanctioning what, exactly? all those extremely high tech components the third world is renowned for producing?

>>63820016
Gee I dunno, was it Russia or the West that was shitting itself when Ukrainian grain exports were threatened?

>>63820020
Africa, mostly

>>63820020
Neither? Ukraine exports to the third world, not the West.
And again, what does grain have to do with military technology?

>>63819976
>water boiler still hatin us cuz he anus
Many such cases

>>63820020
the third world

>>63820020
>muh grain exports
Silly zigger. Newsflash: The EU is literally paying its farmer to produce LESS (to prevent a full-on market crash through oversaturation), and is still a massive grain exporter despite that.

>>63815176
>triggered too far away from a small drone
Why would that matter? If it's correctly calculating the point of impact based on its own speed and the target's speed, why would some ±km/h make that much of a difference? Don't tell me they've hardcoded the offset values in instead of using percentages of the base & target values...

>>63820670
because it's likely to make shrapnel miss it

>>63809900
Those are parking garages, anon.

>>63809720
>NATO has no equivalent of the pantsir
Well trolled anon