Thread 63821446

>An M2A2 ODS-SA captured and modified by the Russians equipped with a 2A72 30x165mm replacing the M242 25x137mm Bushmaster. The 2A72 equips vehicles such as the BMP-3 and BMD-4 IFVs and the BTR-82A APC at the russian army.
What have they done...:
https://x.com/Trotes936897/status/1933219231417405897?t=iEaA4Y317KeHjpBTApx6Qg&s=19

made it shittier I guess

>>63821446 (OP)
Do they have the ammo for it?

>>63821502
Re-read the post. You third grade English teacher will be proud of you when you do.

Which settlement fell this time?

>>63821446 (OP)
>2A72

>>63821521
wait, it's the same gun?

>change the gun
>the FCS is no longer functional due to different ballistics
>have to replace the autoloader mechanism for 30mm ammo
I wonder how did they get around that

>>63821568
no, that's the 2A42, the 2A72 is a lightened long recoil variant with a longer barrel

>>63821588
Looks like they are just that desperate for ANYTHING that is armored, somewhat mine-resistant and capable of transporting troops. Firepower and accuracy are secondary concerns. All that matters is that it can drive over rough terrain and even has the advantage of not having its entire crew die when it gets popped.

I hope to see ukies put it out of its misery soon.

>>63821600
>the 2A72 is a lightened long recoil variant with a longer barrel

The ones on their rotary aviation?

>>63821616
No, it's used on the BMP-3 as a co-axial and on the BTR-80A and variants as the main gun.

>>63821616
It's the one from BTR-82's and BTR-4's

>>63821446 (OP)
I'm a yuropean and even I find this highly offensive. This is like looting an CAR-15 XM177 and re-chambering it in 5.45 somehow. If Trump truly loves guns and the second amendment this should be the reason he nukes Russia.

>ABANDOOOOOON
>don't drop 5 grenades into the compartments or into the ammo so the thing can't be captured
Based retards.

>>63821460
Yes but they have ammo for the 2A72, not for the Bushmaster.

>>63821661
>vehicle is damaged but can be recovered
>NO, SCUTTLE IT BECAUSE ENEMY CAN CAPTURE IT

Does the Bradley need special fuel like the Abrams or nah? This feels more like a propaganda piece than a legitimate captured vehicle to me.

>>63821661
Americans are historically very well known for disabling any gear the left behind...
Also it's been like 2 years since they've been at the front. Losing one to a capture really isn't bad. Plus it might be like 7 Bradleys Smegma'd together to make it look usable from the outside for propaganda knowing the Vatniks.

>>63821676
Yes? Ukraine does it all the time by drone dropping into hatches. These kind of videos don't get a lot of views so they're rare these days, but they drop grenades into vehicles to stop them being captured or recovered.

>>63821678
Abrams can run just about any combustible liquid since it's got a turbine

>>63821685
*when the vehicle is irrecoverable and there's a drone to spare

>>63821446 (OP)
Wouldn't those be better used as technology examples instead of in combat? Surely China or North Korea would want them to disassemble and examine.

Instead of mutilating M2s and Abrams why not send them to a fate worse than death for Western armor: A garage outside Pyongyang full of Norks with slide rulers, micrometers, angle grinders and cutting torches.

>>63821684
remember when they dropped a cargo container on the Abrams' cannon to make it point down so it would look 'humiliated' during the parade?

>>63821676
>>NO, SCUTTLE IT BECAUSE ENEMY CAN CAPTURE IT
Yes? But no? There is nuance. Sometimes your wrong and the enemy gets it right.

>>63821690
I 'member. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if this is a Bradly from the 2023 summer offensive and it took them this long to integrate (read hackjob) their meme gun into it.

>>63821689
>Wouldn't those be better used as technology examples instead of in combat?

No. They their nerds *know* the technology. They just can't *reproduce* it in quantities that matter. Mainly its the tolerances and logistical inputs that is beyond them.

>>63821703
goetia is poser shit

>>63821703
I was think more along the lines of trading them to China and the DPRK. All it took the Norks to begin producing their own 125mm gun was a single Iraqi T-72. There are plenty of things on a M2 or a Abrams that they would love to look at personally, ammo stowage comes to mind.

isnt it designed to be supported by 100mm next to it? and have shitty accuracy on btr-82a because of that

>>63821728
You see the shiny outside and assume the inside isn't fully burnt down.

>>63821568
What happened to the Terminators ? Didn't see one since the fights around Kremina.

>>63821731
Most were disabled by mines and if they are useable like OPs then they clearly didn't burn up.

>>63821741
>usable
I see a parked vehicle. No indication it even runs or does anything. Vatnik Smegma propaganda might want you believe it works but unless I have '>Proofs' I don't believe it at all.

>>63821786
Are you actually claiming some magic super technology that renders examining captured vehicles useless? The USSR figured out the alloy to make jet turbines with magnetic shoes picking up shavings from a factory floor, you have no idea what could be useful. It might be as simple as noting that the fire suppression system uses a commercially available sensor or something equally mundane.

If you honestly think that the USA has the technology to make something 100% immune to having it's technology stolen then you are worse than the most ignorant potato brained double vatnik to ever live.

>>63821786
>>63821731
The ones they displayed were just fine, they even showed the interiors. One of the M113s was so completely functional the machine spirt used the rear door to squish a little kid.

>>63821847
>USSR figured out the alloy to make jet turbines with magnetic shoes picking up shavings from a factory floor
qrd?

This doesn't look very burned out, the ammo, sensor covers and Velcro looks just fine:

https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1732280881459392889
https://twitter.com/i/status/1856051227362201737
They even got the TOW and guns still loaded:
https://www.twz.com/captured-ukrainian-m2-bradley-shown-off-on-russian-tv

>>63821723
>goetia is poser shit
.t professional succubus summoner

>>63821847
PROOFS
Prove to me it works. Isn't that how you vatniggers work? It needs to be proven? Right now it might as well be a cardboard replica. Show me a video of it operating under its own power, rotating the turret and acquiring and destroying a target. How hard would that be for your magnet shoe wearing untermensch?

>>63821883
>USSR figured out the alloy to make jet turbines with magnetic shoes picking up shavings from a factory floor
Nta but Soviet engineers went to Boeing for a trip to be shown off the wonders of the West. Obviously they couldn't take pictures or do anything but look, but every single one of them instead had a chemical applied to their shoes which caused them to become magnetic. As they walked around the Boeing factory their shoes picked up the shavings. When they got back to USSR they scraped the shavings off and worked out what the alloy was made of. Ta-da.

>>63822015
>>63821883
Sorry, it wasn't to make it magnetic. It was just a sticky adhesive that picked up shavings.

>>63821991

PROOFS PROOFS PROOFS!
Delusional troll. Someone points out that Russia's allies might want to examine them then you claim they are burnt out and useless for intel purposes. You are shown clear proof that they aren't burnt out so now you are ranting that it must be in 100% working condition to have any value?

>TOW and ammo intact
No intel value?
>Engine running
No intel value?
>Fire suppression system intact
No intel value?
>Ammo blow out panels intact
No intel value?

Dude, you are dumb AF. Something doesn't need to be intact to have value and if you didn't notice I'M INSULTING RUSSIA for being retards by trying to use them at all. Holy shit do ESLs not understand context.

You people do this on a daily basis, ESL Ukrainians who sperg out and ATTACK THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS because they can't have a normal conversation. You are not helping your side, you are hurting it by being an obnoxious retard. Times like this make me consider that maybe Ukrainians and Russians are the same, you sure as hell act like it on line.

>>63822056
I'm going to point out what that anon wouldn't for some reason, which is that the Bradly is 80s technology. China can make everything in a Bradly just fine, they just don't have the capability to produce an equivalent enmasse at an affordable level.
And before some anon comes scoffing along to insist that anything Westerners can make, China can make better, I will merely point out that china couldn't make ball bearings at an acceptable level until like 2 years ago.

>>63822056
>You are shown clear proof that they aren't burnt out so now you are ranting that it must be in 100% working condition to have any value?
Way to move goalpost nigger. I'm saying that just because it looks in working condition on the outside it is 0 guarantee the inside is in working condition. Knowing how Vatniggers have been of bad faith in the past I will not assume it is working unless I see proof.

And yes I am larping as a retard vatnig because its funny. And no, I do not think I am hurting 'my side' after we've been experiencing YEARS of bad faith arguments from our vatnik friends.

>>63822101
>"Are you sure this will help us achieve Pobeda?"
>"Pobeda?"

>>63822113
no but anon by arguing like them you clearly prove that everyone is as bad as they are and you will now correctionally rape every male you encounter to fight globohomo

are they really that desperate that they are pressing captured rustbuckets back into combat?

>>63822128
literally not the first time theyve done this

>>63822084
I was thinking more of the Norks than China.

>>63822113
Honestly i don't think you are pretending, you are an actually vatnik troll.

In my spare time i make Ukraine themed stain glass windows, sell them and donate the money to them. I hope a drone i helped buy hits your troll farm.

Apologies to everyone but him about the potato phone pic.

>>63822128
I can guarantee that Bradley is in better condition AFTER getting captured than the AFVs coming out of Siberia these days.

>>63822123
evil HATO defeated

Sometimes I get real high and go to stuff like retarded kid's daycare talent show or special olympics. I laugh my ass off but stifle the fuck out out it until it's over and I leave. Besides, I donate, so what? Then I laugh at those goddamn retards struggling to do anything.
It's the same with Russia-watching the news.

>>63821736
I saw a vid of one getting droned and seemed like they disappeared after that. I wonder if they were pulled from front line service?

>>63821516
autism

>>63821703
I dont understand that picture, the top is a bunch of random squiggles and lines and shit while the bottom is functional, annotated circuit board
The implication seems to be that these two things are in some way similar but I'm just not seeing it

>>63821446 (OP)
This thing would be better than the Regular Bradley in Warthunder kek

>>63821729
yes

desu both the bushmaster and the 2A72 are shitty autocannons.
If you want a proper autocannon, it needs to be european.

>>63821736
i remember some news articles a while back about how the terminators were arriving on the battlefield and ukraine was doomed. Then a video came out of one of them getting blown up and we never heard of them again, besides a random high production quality video by a news agency showing one shooting into an empty treeline with the implication that it was "in combat"

>>63821689
They already posted a review of the Bradley and announced it was not something compatible with their doctrine/didn't do anything they didn't already do in a way they preferred.

>>63821729
Is it that different from the BMP-2 gun which doesn't work in tandem?

>>63821736
They only had a small number since they never got a contract right? Probably got thrown in to 'test' like all the other weird shit that showed up early on like that drozd t-80.

>>63823654
Many european IFVs use the bushmaster thoughever.

>>63821685
Most of the hatch grenade drops are on tanks abandoned by Russians after failed assaults. Russians just haven't used a lot of armor in assaults lately in favor of Ladas and golf carts so they haven't appeared nearly as much

>>63823654
Bushmaster makes the only proper chain guns of the 25mm and 30mm caliber. Even if you compare the M242 to true autocannons, Oerlikon guns are the only viable contender and they aren't meaningfully different in function other than that the former is a chain gun and the latter is an autocannon.

>>63822140
There is nothing on these A2 ODS Bradleys that is particularly intriguing or noteworthy in terms of technology. At absolute best the FBCB2 software might be useful to copy for battlefield management, but North Korea and China both have thousands of programmers that could build them something similar without needing an example to look at. TOW missiles are honestly very old tech, it's a basic wire guided missile. MAYBE if they're top attack TOWs, but I haven't seen those a whole lot in Ukraine, they seem to mainly use the regular TOW 2. The 25mm is using M791 APDS, which is a 1980s era projectile, nothing special there. The fire suppression system is a typical Halon one, similar to what the T-72 has. There are no blowout panels, the armor isn't even composite, just basic spaced arrays etc. The Bradley is genuinely a relatively outdated IFV that is already 10 years past the date when it should have been replaced, it has simply performed this well in the war because the BMP-1 and BMP-2 are shitty as fuck in comparison. The BMP-3 is fairly comparable other than being under armored and the 30mm being terrible for anti vehicle work

>>63821588
I truly doubt it matters. As long as the thermal still works and the turret still turns in relation to the joystick, its a categorical improvement over what they already have, regardless of whether the screen properly tracks ammo or the crosshair is ballistically matched to the round

>>63823704
>Many european IFVs use the bushmaster thoughever.

Uhh no.

>>63823747
>Bushmaster makes the only proper chain guns of the 25mm and 30mm caliber. Even if you compare the M242 to true autocannons, Oerlikon guns are the only viable contender and they aren't meaningfully different in function other than that the former is a chain gun and the latter is an autocannon.

Why would you want a chaingun? Have you ever heard of "Rheinmetall"?

>>63821446 (OP)
Every time the Russians modify a vehicle, it ends up looking like an utter piece of shit.

pls let this abomination be captured somewhat intact
I want to gawk at it in a museum someday

>>63822056
my brown friend the Bradley, while cool and insane for russian levels, is literally a 40 y.o. shitbox all things considered

>>63821847
The problem for russia is not reverse engineering, their design bureaus are not entirely retarded and know how things work, in fact some of their prototypes may even have their own merits.
The problem is manufacturing, they know how stealth works and they can build a working Su57 stealth plane or Armata tank, but when their economy is so corrupt and dependent on externally sourced parts supplied by the west like microchips it's impossible to get to serialized production to supply an entire army.
They planned to have thousends of armata tanks and instead in ukraine they're fighting with refurbished T62s with ERA panels emptied of their explosives, this should tell you what is fiction and what is reality.

>>63822162
>>63822101

>>63823948
>Uhh no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk44_Bushmaster_II#Users

Lotsa european IFVs on this list, you sure?

>>63821446 (OP)
>Russia performed a sex change on a Bradley

>>63821446 (OP)
>the sole Russiaboo defending this in those comments
>is a gurofag
Why are they like this?

>>63825820
>wikipedia
lol lmao

Kubinka is going to have a he'll of a collection after the war.