Thread 63823328

Rpk is an autorifle

it's funny that the RPK and RPK style automatic rifles are going to outlive the intermediate cartridge team level beltfed
would not have guessed this outcome

>>63823328 (OP)
RPK is a squad automatic weapon. The Minimi is an LMG that was forced into the role of a SAW. Same shit with the BAR. It essentially pioneered the concept of a SAW but then they slapped a bipod on it and took away they semiautomatic function with a subpar ammo count to perform the actual role. Same thing with the RPD. It was an LMG, again forced i the SAW role only to be superseded by the RPK and PKM.

>neither
Steyr AUG

>>63823396
patrician taste

>>63823328 (OP)
The rpk has killed more communists than the minimi

>>63823328 (OP)
RPK vs the Colt LMG would be a more fair comparison
and between the two I'd rather have an RPK if only because it overheats slightly slower

>>63823328 (OP)
Minimi is better in every metrics but if I'm a squad MG and I got to choose between these two, I'd carry RPK any day

There's plenty of times where a squad that supposed to carry 2 M249/minimi only carry minimi and the other team either carry MGL or M203 due to how strenuous it is to carry 2 minimi and how it literally forces another guy in a fireteam to be an assistant (to the) MG, limiting movement fluidity

With RPK you can have 2 RPK in a squad that is self sufficient, that can become regular rifleman relatively easily and, bonus that as some former soviet bloc still maintain 3 fireteam per squad, they can technically go with 2 fireteam equipped with rifleman+RPK MG and another fireteam designated for grenadier role (means they carry RPG or MGL) or MG role (carrying PKM or other actual GPMG)

>>63823402
>overheats slightly slower
How do you figure?

>>63823402
A better comparison is with heavy barrelled FAL or HK11E as unlike colt lmg, both HB FAl and HK11E actually saw widespread use lmao

>>63823463
Exactly. The history of SAWs is checkered by this la k of distinction of forcing weapons into roles they were never meant to be in. There should be SAWs, LSWs, and HSWs

>Commie block weapons in proper roles:
>RPK
>RPD
>PKM

>NATO rigamaroll
>M27 IAR
>M249
>M240B

Simple as.

>>63823474
thinner gas tube and higher cyclical rate, but you're not going to be putting down sustained fire like a torture test in a firefight anyway

>>63823463
Bonus that you can attach M203 on an RPK

Try doing that with M249

>>63823328 (OP)
This is just anecdotal but plenty of people with an RPK told me
>Man, I wish I had a PKM instead.
Given how light a PKM is relative to the cartridge it has, I can see why they'd prefer bigger pew pews at a marginally heavier weapon.

>>63823494
This is another good point. We try too hard to force weapons in categories they people who made them weren't thinking of. Like, the Soviets used SVDs but they weren't that big on the whole battle rifle concept.

>>63823701
Yeah it looks freaking weird like this.

>>63823701
That's some MGSV tier gun customization

RPK-M is my fav

>>63823402
>>63823328 (OP)
Wouldn't the M27 be better for comparison?

>>63826447
>M27
only 30 rounds

>>63826475
Weren't they originally supposed to be issued with larger mags?

>>63826484
Never, The most convincing theory I've heard is that the Marines simply wanted HK416s for their guys, but replacing the standard infantry rifle is much more difficult (bureaucratically speaking) than replacing a specialized weapon such a SAW, so they shoehorned it into that designation to get around political red tape.

RPD beats them.

>>63827041
What country is this photo from? My guess is 1950s East Germany.

>>63827333
Funland, 1960's.

>>63824301
SVD isn't a battle rifle

>>63826484
>>63826475
the whole thing was a scam because they wanted to replace the M4 with piston ARs but couldn't get funding but the could get funding to replace the SAWs with piston ARs so suddenly most or everyone was equipped with a "saw"

>>63827041
>>63827333
>>63827389
gotta love it when an army operates stuff from all over

>>63823396
They actually make for better marksman rifles than LMGs

No.63823328
depends on the serino.

the RPK is a very light lmg and also a rifle.

Minimi;
is heavy and impractical and also belt ffeed are more suited for deffence or vichile mounts where the RPK is just a inffantry paratrooper lmg

america should compeare the spear with the rpk

the Minimi is not a offenive lmg is is not in the same ball park both are fairly decent at what they do. but not com pearable

btw i've used both.
both have simulare damage and range but very different rate of fire.


Minimi is perfect for pill box
but the rpk is perffect ffor assault on fixed persistions because its light.
even for a lmg.

FYI
i think the U100 and RPK would be a more comnpearable on the battlefeil because they bopth desgined ffor the same missions.


conclusions
Minimi - defence or vehicle/pill box mounts only
RPK - assault lmg - used for raiding treaches and pill box

its the type of missions. that each lmg has their strengths and weakness.


I can tell you now the Minimi has less real world aplications than the rpk from its shear weight and belt figeting bullet feed isn't something soldiers who are in a hurry like all that much.

however perfect for defence.


that's why i said depends on senerio.
i would never assault with a belt fed at all.
i don;t give a fuck what americans say its pain in the fucking ass and takes way too long to reload.

>>63823328 (OP)
If the RPK had a quick change barrel it would be badass. It wouldn't make sense, it wouldn't increase any practical capability, but it would be badass

>>63827629
Gotta hate to be the supply officer, when your guns and equipment are from multiple countries, multiple decades and use multiple different supply systems. Some of those are from countries that no longer exist.

>>63827711
the fuck

>>63827711
hurr

>>63827041
There's a reason why RPD were replaced by RPK

>>63829612
That was purely logistical, not because it was better for the role.

>>63823328 (OP)
Are you 12 or retarded?

>>63823328 (OP)
A couple of the coolest stocks ever made. I like da clubfoot, and I like da saw stock.

>>63829633
>I have nothing to contribute and I have deep-seated, unresolved trauma of which I can only lashes on some anonymous member in pakistani truck salvaging imageboard

>>63827041
I thought the RPD was a turd? Somebody set me straight on this.

>>63829677
It's a turd.
>7.62x39
>Non-disintegrating belt
>FA only
>No QC barrel
>Heavy as shit
>Less rugged than an AK
>Pathetic barrel life

In 1944 it would have been huge, in the early 50s it was still "okay" and the various SF guys in Vietnam put them to good use (especially the chopped-down ones, which are sexy as hell), but the PK and PKM mog it to death.

>>63829883
very interdasting. Thank you

>>63829904
The fucking thing weighs ~16lb UNLOADED while an unloaded AKM is about 8, an unloaded RPK is about 10.5 and an unloaded PKM is about 16.5; an AKM with a drum mag is more-or-less functionally identical to an RPD while weighing eight pounds less and for marginally more weight you could have a PKM instead.

>>63823328 (OP)
SAW is a better LMG because it's belt-bed, but RPK is a better SAW

>>63829883
>7.62x39
Its fine, and its replacement was x39 too.
>Non-disintegrating belt
The soviets never had disintegrating belts, and the Russians largely still don't.
>FA only
Its a machine gun
>No QC barrel
Less important on squad LMG than a GPMG, especially one with such a heavy barrel, and the RPK lacked one anyway.
>Heavy as shit
Relative to an AK? Sure, but right in line with belt-fed contemporaries and slightly lighter than the SAW that came 30 years later.
>Less rugged than an AK
More down to delicate belts than the action itself.
>Pathetic barrel life
Is that so? The profile should have handled it, even if the rifling didn't.

>>63830119
Nigga tryna justify all the drawbacks that made RPD being placed by RPK lmao

>>63827600
That's the point he made. It's vaguely the closest thing they have and even that's an unnatural forced categorization which doesn't work.

>>63829677
The RPD was an experimental design from an older time. It's an outdated weapon of its time still working out the kinks. Alright if you're some 3rd world militia I guess?

>>63826484
>>63826492
The IAR didn't need larger mags because it's essentially a full auto DMR. In fact, there's a DMR variant of it and the only difference is the optic. The god tier (by military weapons' standard) accuracy lets it achieve the same level of suppression as the 249 with far fewer rounds spent, and the reduced logistical pressure of that greater efficiency means that they can issue an automatic rifle to every single Marine, which opens up all sorts of tactical opportunities. Now the SAW gunner isn't a specific guy in one spot that the entire squad has to play around, it's whoever's currently in the optimal position for it and because the rifle and ammo are so much lighter they can be far more mobile as soon as someone else takes over the role.

>>63827711
>No.63823328
are you a retardo?

>>63831659
Sorry, bot was coded incorrectly
Will not happen again

>>63827794
Skill and attitude issue from bureaucratic making excuses so they can continue hiding in their corner.

>>63830119
>Its fine, and its replacement was x39 too.
x39 is shit.

>The soviets never had disintegrating belts, and the Russians largely still don't.
That just makes it not uniquely bad.

>Its a machine gun
In the same way that an Isetta is an automobile, Yes.

>Relative to an AK? Sure, but right in line with belt-fed contemporaries and slightly lighter than the SAW that came 30 years later.
See the earlier point re: "not uniquely bad". I'm not a big fan of the SAW either and mostly for the same reasons.

>More down to delicate belts than the action itself.
The delicacy is a minor point but still one I'll stick with.

>Is that so?
Yep.

The profile should have handled it, even if the rifling didn't.
If you use it like a slightly heavier AK then it can last, but that's the problem - if you use your belt-fed machine gun to do belt-fed machine gun things then it DOESN'T last.

For me its KK 62

>>63841561
It's KVKK 62, Kevyesti Vittumainen KoneKivääri. (Lightly Fucked MachineGun) Fuck. That. Shit. When encountered, use an angle grinder to cut it to pieces and toss it into a swamp.

>>63823328 (OP)
What blew up this time?

>>63844056
Haifa Port

>>63823361
Say what you want about the Soviet Union but they were ahead of the curve when it came to small arms design, at least for a while.

>>63841678
I see your KVKK and raise you ITKK, the fat fuck.
(I know it's doesn't fit with LMG's, but I want to bitch about it)

These men are liars. It is never that fun with the ITKK. Or maybe if they had conscripts haul that bitch there.

Fuck that gun, it's so fucking heavy in its awkward-as-fuck box with that tripod, my shins still shiver at the thought of it. You haul it around for your whole specialization training period when training setting up, and then you get to shoot it exactly fucking once during the last war game.

You shoot a tiny belt at a flying RC plane towing a small target. Yay, it's fun and whatever, but then you get to go load the fucking belts. And you'll do it until there's no shooters left. And multiple units are going to be shooting those bitches. I'd almost give myself freely to a chopper than load those miserable belts.

And I guess it's nice if a helicopter happens to come shoot at your equipment, but if a fucking chopper has made it to where I would be posted, things would have been going bad for a while. Shooting at jets with that? Like pissing in the wind.

If I ever have to see that fucking thing again it'll be too soon.

>>63844637
Forgot pic, this is from the The National Defence Training Association of Finland website lmao

>>63844637
N00b, get a mönkkä.

On the topic of tripods;

>>63823400
>get out of here stalker

>>63846424
>just guys being dudes

>>63830119
>pathetic barrel life
Its no worse than a rpk?

Must be nice to carry actual LMGs instead of an FN MAG with welded-on rails, a 500 gram optic and carrying like 600-800 rounds of non-disintegrating belted 7.62x51 on your person as a combat loadout.

>>63823377
I have to call this post a hard miss.

I've used both of these systems in protracted army exercises (JRTC/XCTC) and the SAW in combat. The 249 is an excellent automatic rifle, and far outperforms the RPK in the AR role. in a bipod/short burst firing usage, it is by far the most controllable and accurate of the 3 systems (249/RPK/PKM), and the ability to place it on a pintle/ground mount tripod so easily can quickly convert it into a true machine gun. even at long range, the 249 is a much more capable MG system, being able to employ 9-12rd bursts on target.

Lighter ammo, fewer reloads, and a dual capability without losing out on it's ability to be a competent AR. mobility-wise the SAWs weight never bothered me, but the RPKs length did.

It *supersedes* both the the RPK and PKM as a AR, and as an MG if the PKM doesn't have a tripod.

>>63823463
you don't *need* to have an AG if you are using it as an AR, but you may want to have more ammo, since the system is so effective, more ammo is helpful. It's ammo consumption need not be higher than an RPK if you have disciplined shooters, you'll just the same scheme of fire with fewer reloads. Bonus, if you find yourself in a defend, it's much more capable than RPK.

you really ought to rethink your choice.

>>63823701
this kit is smoothbrain AF, never mount a GL on your suppressive weapon. It's foolish to have your suppressive tool and dead space coverage on the same man. you can't both fix AND kill, that's silly.

>>63826447
no, because the m27 is hot trash

>>63823360
How gay are you

>>63827711
there he is; the internets dumbest role-player

>>63847025
Come find out